INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Tue, 14 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 646
 
Today's Topics:
                             Allen,Ken..
                          Asst. Dribble....
                             desktop.inf
                             Quick st 1.6
                            The Atari STE
                    TOS 1.4 release notes arrived
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 89 02:00 EST
From: V053QHYX@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu
Subject: Allen,Ken..
 
Its amazing that a company with such good employees or should I say dedicated
employees can be run by such idiots..  I've worked with John a few times, and
I remember Working hand in hand with Neil Hariss..I was a consultant for Ataris
advertising agency in NY(Messner Vetere Berger and Carey) we produced 4 ATARI
commercials that were all very good...BUt dur
due to upper managements lack of who knows what..they werent aired..it was
amazing..Atari wouldn't give us the equipment to film the commercial! Neil
hadto send me his harddrive so I could use it in the commercial!! And talk
about Cheap?!!!The budget was non existant..Instead of having an Atari rep
work with the add agency (and yes they had a NY sales rep at the time by now
he's probably long gone) they hired me.I was 16 and a users group president..
I was asked questions like:Why is the ST better then the mac..
why cant it do this..can it do this..can you make it do this..etc..
it was probably the worst experience in my life!!Even before I did
the commercials I did some work for atari at 47th st photo in NY where
atari did a major press release for the 1040's...Was I paid for that?No..
of course not..Dont get me wrong I love the ST but the management of the
company is horrible...Probably the best thing atari could do is rename
the company and try to sell its computers under a different name!  Due to lack
of sufficient support I'm in the market for an OS2 machine..and IBMS student
discounts place a model 55sx at about 1600  for everything I could dream of..
why should I stick with atari????Give me one reason??
    Jeremty
    whoops..Jeremy Berger
a really PISSSED Atari owner...
P.S. However after programming a Mac..Why would anyone want a MAC???
 
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 89 22:55:36 MST
From: ehsnsr@jupiter.nmt.edu (Eric Hobbs)
Subject: Asst. Dribble....
 
Yup, it's me again!
 
I have one comment and a few questions:
 
[COMMENT:]
 
      Has anyone seen the <<<<COLOR!>>>> ad on page 14 of the November(?) issue
of _Scientific_American_ for the Portfolio? Two pages even!! Looks nice....
Too bad the ST isn't getting those kinds of advertisements.... :-)
 ~~~~~~~~~Believe it or not, that was not a bash. :-)
 
[Question 1:]
 
      Is it just my monitor or do all SM124's start to dim out when there is
very little 'white' on the screen?
 
[Question 2:]
 
      Where are all these old "29 Oct 89" articles coming from?
 
OOPS![Another Comment:]
 
      Is there any particular reason why the person known as "BobR" had to
post a s--tload of articles on his dissatisfaction with Atari. Why not append
them all to one posting so I could 'n' them. Let's face it, I'm sick of hearing
about the faults of Atari. Some people are giving me the impression that Sam
and Jack Tramiel bought Atari for tens of millions of dollars just so they
could lose money on it and drive the corporation into the ground. Somehow that
doesn't strike me as reasonable. Surely they realize that they better get their
acts together, or they will lose the U.S. market. They know it. We as users
know it. So please! Enough with the Atari-bashing. It does no one any good.
Besides, this is a news group for Atari enthusiasts, not bashers. If you want
to bash, start a comp.sys.atari.st.bash. How about this one:
comp.sys.atari.st.bitch.and.complain.I.hate.atari...........
 
[This entire comment is MY OPINION. Please! No flames. They do just about as
much good as Atari bashing!]
 
XXXXTRa Comment:
 
How's this for an idea:
 
     Now that East Germany has opened its doors, this may be a great opportunity
to sell more ST's!!!!!  :-)   :-)
 
Thanks!
 
Eric "No flames, please." Hobbs
ehsnsr@JUPITER.nmt.edu
 
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Date: 13 Nov 89 13:20:00 GMT
From: inmet!hedger@uunet.uu.net
Subject: desktop.inf
 
Along the same lines, can someone tell me where I can find the info to
decode the desktop.inf file ? What do all of those number mean ?
 
 
 
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Date: 14 Nov 89 06:29:37 GMT
From: gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!bediako@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Bernard
 Bediako)
Subject: Quick st 1.6
 
Hi
        Can anyone mail me a copy of Quick ST 1.6.  I missed it and I counldn't
find it at terminator.  (If someone knows of an ftp site where I can get
the new version I'd be very grateful).
Thanks.
bernie
bediako@cs.buffalo.edu
Bernard Bediako  --------=-=-=-=-=->    DOMAIN: bediako@cs.buffalo.edu
 
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Date: 13 Nov 89 21:17:41 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Deimert)
Subject: The Atari STE
 
The discussions about the STE being vapourware has been more or less frantic.
Soon we'll all see if it's true.
 
I have ordered one!  (yes, I *know*. You're not interested.  But please,
do not flame me!  You might be interested in hearing about it's capabilities,
or the lack of them!)
 
Do anyone have the specifications for the new chips?  The I/O-adresses
and so on.  Any information would be of great help.
Maybe Atari Corp? :-)  What do you say, eh?
 
I've heard rumours about the STE having 8 stereo 8-bit PCM sound channels.
But now a friend of mine, who has access to one of the developement
machines says it only has ONE stereo 8-bit channel!  And that it's
impossible to change the frequency on that channel like on the Amiga. It
is according to him only possible to set fixed freqencies like the
crystal /1, /2, /4, /8 etc.
 
Is this correct?
 
 
I've been promised to get the STE on Thursday or Friday.  We'll see then.
 
    Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN
    Internet:   daniel@pkmab.se
    UUCP:       ...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel
 
--
    Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN
    Internet:   daniel@pkmab.se
    UUCP:       ...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel
 
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Date: 13 Nov 89 15:28:47 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!watmath!watcgl!electro!ignac@uunet.uu.net  (Ignac
 Kolenko)
Subject: TOS 1.4 release notes arrived
 
In article <1989Nov12.070610.4467@chinet.chi.il.us> saj@chinet.chi.il.us
 (Stephen Jacobs) writes:
>I'd like to thank Atari publicly for getting the Rainbow TOS release notes
>to registered developers (or at least to this one).  Nice meaty stuff, with
>a fair amount of example code.  Came with a 3-ring binder.  A much-appreciated
>early Christmas present.
>                                     Steve J.
 
 
 
i guess santa claus only lives in the states! we here at electrohome finally
received our TOS 1.4 upgrade, with the rainbow tos upgrade notes. no 3 ring
binder. in fact, the notes were bloody PHOTOCOPIES, which had poor contrast,
and were shrunk down 60% to boot!!!!!!!!!! like, get your buns in gear
atari. we didn't pay ?100 dollars for stupid photocopies which are hardly
readable in the first place. the whole developer kit was a complete
shambles (it came totally messed up inside an atari 800XL box!!!!!!!), with
no binders, and no order to the notes. plus, most of the stuff was vintage
1985/86 notes, with no info on tos 1.2 changes, etc.
 
in all, the developer stuff is VERY UNPROFESSIONAL. i'm glad the company
paid for the travesty, not myself. its too bad, because everyone here at
electrohome is very impressed with the power and capabilities of the ST, but
not with the support atari gives it.
 
also, it would be very nice (hint hint) if Ken B. and co. would mail out
to all registered owners an official document concerning the extended argument
passing scheme posted to the net a couple of days ago. i've taken that note
and formatted into a somewhat professional looking document, but that still
doesn't get atari off the hook for not releasing official stuff to its
developers. and where are these newsletters???
 
anyways, back to programming the ST. i'd never leave this environment for
anything (ok, maybe a Sun or Apollo), especially the MSDOS/OS2 and Apple
world.
 
cheers.
 
--
=====Ignac A. Kolenko (The Ig)           watmath!watcgl!electro!ignac=====
     co-author of QuickST, and the entire line of Quick Shareware!!!!
       "I don't care if I don't win, 'cause I don't care if I fail"
             from 'Youth Of Today' by SUBURBAN DISTORTION
 
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