INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Wed,  8 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 618
 
Today's Topics:
                            archive sites
                     atari ABC  yea or nay  ????
         European software purchase procedure from the U.S.A.
                                index
                     Spectre in a Mac Environment
               WordPerfect ST vs. version 5.0 (2 msgs)
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Date: 8 Nov 89 15:37:27 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!xanth!xanth.cs.odu.edu!tadguy@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
  (Tad Guy)
Subject: archive sites
 
In article <SCOTT.89Nov6161650@oswy.cs.odu.edu> scott@cs.odu.edu (Scott Yelich)
 writes:
>In article <1707@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca> depeche@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca (Sam Alan
 EZUST) writes:
>>   does anyone know why xanth's atari directory is empty?
>
>    because the people here who would set-up automatic archiving for
>    the network all own amigas.
 
Umm, actually, the ``atari'' directory on xanth isn't for automatic
archiving, but is for ``special'' Atari stuff.  From the README:
 
> /atari        Public access to outgoing Atari computer related items.
>               <scott@cs.odu.edu>
 
This directory is Scott's area to put in whatever he wants, not a
space for an automatic archive (which would appear under the /usenet
directory on xanth).
 
In article <SCOTT.89Nov6161650@oswy.cs.odu.edu> scott@cs.odu.edu (Scott Yelich)
 writes:
>   because the people here who would set-up automatic archiving for
>   the network all own amigas.
 
Scott implies that the ST owners who are in a position to create an
automatic archive on xanth are unwilling to do so (this may be true).
However, Scott's comment shouldn't be interpreted as the Amiga folk
are preventing such an archive (this is not true).
 
Since the articles in comp.?sources,binaries?.atari.st have the
correct aux headers, it's easy to make xanth start automatic archiving
of that group.
 
Is it justified?  I don't want xanth to become ``yet another archive
site''; it should primarily contain stuff that isn't easily found
elsewhere.  If there's already an ftp-reachable automatic archive of
comp.*.atari.st in the US, is another needed?  If there's not one
already, then perhaps one is needed...
 
        ...tad
 
PS: By automatic archive, I mean an archive where no person is
    involved in placing the files in the archive -- it's all done
    directly from the aux headers in the moderator's postings.
    This guarantees that the files in the archive have the names the
    moderator intended for them, but what the archiver wanted.
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 19:06:37 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!aplcen!jhunix!ins_bac@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Ajay
 Choudhri)
Subject: atari ABC  yea or nay  ????
 
>decided on one of two models,
>               1)ATARI ABC
>               2)AMSTRAD 2086
>please send me as much info on the atari ABC (if it indeed exists,as my dealer
>assures me!!)
>
>                       again any help would be appreciated,
Well I had no idea such a macine existed, especially not in the US,  as per
reliability, it seems Atari ,makes very good machines(I have owned six of them)
and I have never had a problem(I abuse them too!)
 -if you get any info on this Atari ABC, please post it when you get it.
-Ajay CHoudhri
 
 
 
********* !uunet!mimsy!aplcen!jhunix!ins_bac ************
ZZ
 
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Date: 08 NOV 89 09:36:45 CST
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: European software purchase procedure from the U.S.A.
 
    With the arrival of European ST magazines in the U.S., a Stateside
STer cannot help but marvel over the ST software and hardware in
Europe.  How I wish that our selections of peripherals and programs
could approach that of Europe's.
    Many of the European ads offer to sell product internationally
but don't give the procedure:  1) Do we convert $$$ to European currency?
2) Is there an airmail option rather than ocean mail? 3) Is there an
internation reply coupon option?
    Secondly, what about American duty charges?
    Finally, why is it that the more polished European ST magazines
are CHEAPER than the U.S. magazines?  Example, the U.S. STart Magazine
costs $14.95 with diskette.  The British ST magazine, Atari ST User
costs $7.97 with diskette from my dealer.  Even with duty, if charged,
the cost to me is 50% less than the American magazine with diskette.
I'd assume that advertising is the key, lowering ST User's cost.
    At any rate, it is great seeing European magazines here in the
STates at a regular basis.  I only wish that [CENSOR...ATARI BASH...CENSOR]..
 
Larry Rymal:  |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
 
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 89 16:44
From: Roland Waldi
 <BD05%DKAUNI2.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: index
 
    Roland Waldi
    Universitaet Karlsruhe            DESY
    Inst. fuer Exp. Kernphysik        F15
    Physikhochhaus, P.O.Box 6980      Notkestr. 85
    D-7500 Karlsruhe                  D-2000 Hamburg 52
    Tel. (721)-608-3586               (40)-8998-3637
    BD05 at DKAUNI2.BITNET            F15WAL at DHHDESY3.BITNET
 
 
 
> send index
I have no index
 
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1989 08:53 EST
From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Spectre in a Mac Environment
 
At my workplace, there are little dominions of microcomputing. One building
is dominated by Atari STs, others are dominated by PCs, others have nice
mixes of Macs, STs and PCs and one in particular is the mecca for Mac
enthusiasts. Nestled neatly in the Mac mecca are 4 1040STs that sit as
front ends to a VAX based graphics system (I/O is via UNITERM).
 
I trundled by and plugged Spectre GCR into one of the STs and lo and behold,
Mac users started drifting in with floppies trying to find a Mac application
that would not run on the lowly (that's their opinion, not mine) ST. After
a full day on disk-in, disk-out, click-click and ooo-ahs, Mac users were
finally convinced that YES, Spectre GCR is for real and YES it does a great
job of running MacWare (Gee!, the screen looks so much bigger!).
 
Having seen VersTerm Pro, Cricket Draw and Graph, MacDraw II, MacDraft,
Word 4.0, Excel 1.5, FileMaker +, MicroSoft Chart, StatWorks, SuperPaint,
etc. run on the ST, most Mac users agreed that an ST with GCR would fit
in nicely with a Mac environment.
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 16:25:29 GMT
From: cbmvax!peter@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Cherna)
Subject: WordPerfect ST vs. version 5.0
 
In article <891106.09014497.067340@SFA.CP6> Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (Z4648252)
 writes:
>
>    A question was asked regarding how the ST version of WordPerfect compared
>to version 5.0 for other systems:  IBM and Amiga.
 
WordPerfect on the Amiga is of the 4.1.something level (they just released a
new maintenance update).  I suspect that the features/behavior of the Amiga
version are very similar in level to the version on the ST.
 
>    The current WordPerfect ST has always approached version 5.0 in features
>and is more flexible than version 4.1 for the IBM.
 
Yup.  Sounds like the one we have for the Amiga.
 
>    We have the ability to use our accessories which is a feature not
>existing for the IBM version 5.xxx or the Amiga 5.xxx.  These two versions
>have to use libraries supplied by WordPerfect to give an accessory type
>world.  Both the Mac versions (version 1.xxx) and ST versions allow real
>pull down menus or key commands.  Currently, the IBM and Amiga versions
>don't allow this without optional third party add-ons.
 
The Amiga version has _ALWAYS_ supported pull-down menus and key equivalents.
No third party product is necessary.  Please don't confuse Amigas and
IBM's ( ever! :-) ).
 
Desk-accessories are a concept needed on NON-MULTITASKING systems only.
Essentially, a desk-accessory is a "generally small" program that
agrees to abide by a few more restrictions than a full program, in exchange
for being able to co-exist (i.e. take over from, and then return to) a
"full" application.  Since day one, the Amiga has multitasked, meaning
that in general any combination of programs may be run together (memory
permitting) without any special code required.  In other words, an Amiga
owner can run anything (paint programs, spreadsheets, databases, etc.)
while WordPerfect is up.  In fact, I can run a ray-tracing in the background
while I am writing in WordPerfect, without ever having to suspend one
or the other.
 
Not a flame:  Both the ST and Amiga suffer from an abundance of misinformation.
Let's try to keep the level of incorrect assumptions down in our respective
communities.
 
>DISCLAIMER:  I don't work for WordPerfect, Gadgets by Small, or
>   Ashton Tate, but sure wish I had the brains to do so....
>
>
>Larry Rymal:  |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
---
     Peter Cherna, Software Engineer, Commodore-Amiga, Inc.
     ?uunet|rutgers?!cbmvax!peter    peter@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com
 
     My opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of my employer.
 
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition
 from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
A personal observation: "Claiming the latter hardly proves the former."
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 20:34:23 GMT
From: phoenix@g.ms.uky.edu  (R'ykandar Korra'ti)
Subject: WordPerfect ST vs. version 5.0
 
/*Line eater death ray - ZAP!*/
 
A few corrections about the state of WordPerfect.
 
In article <891106.09014497.067340@SFA.CP6> Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (Z4648252)
 writes:
>    A question was asked regarding how the ST version of WordPerfect compared
>to version 5.0 for other systems:  IBM and Amiga.
     The Amiga version of WordPerfect is version 4.1.11. It, like the Atari
WP version, is actually a combination of 4.1, 4.2, and 5.0.
>    We have the ability to use our accessories which is a feature not
>existing for the IBM version 5.xxx or the Amiga 5.xxx.  These two versions
>have to use libraries supplied by WordPerfect to give an accessory type
>world.  Both the Mac versions (version 1.xxx) and ST versions allow real
>pull down menus or key commands.  Currently, the IBM and Amiga versions
>don't allow this without optional third party add-ons.
     Wrong. 1) The Amiga is multitasking. It does not require anything similar
to a desk accessory; simply start a second programme. It will load into memory
and be running _at the same time_ as WP is running; _all_ programmes work
this way on _any_ multitasking OS; even OS/2 :-)  2) The Amiga version of
WP most certainly has pull-down menus, file requesters, etc; I use them all
the time, having never really liked WP's key choices for its commands.
                                                   - R'ykandar.
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