Info-Atari16 Digest   Friday, August 25, 1989   Volume 89 : Issue 417
 
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
 
Today's Topics:
 
                            Re: X windows
            Re: Any Make-Your-Own-Music program out there?
             Re: Atari loyalty....How long can it last...
                    STFOLDED source code posting?
                           AMCGDOS (again)
                        Atari Dealer Database
                              subscribe
                   More on drive "no write" problem
                  Help with drive "no write" please!
                            UUCP packages
                       CAPS LOCK DEVICE REQUEST
      PD applications on GENIE / EMPIRE Version 3.0 for the ST.
                              gulam bug
          Re: HELP IDENTIFYING SEAGATE 296N WITH REV. 7 ROM
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Date: 21 Aug 89 18:38:09 GMT
From: mcvax!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Deimert)
Subject: Re: X windows
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
Is it possible to post this "Unix Windows"-software to the net?
 
--
  Daniel Deimert           /  /    Internet: daniel@pkmab.se
  Fridstav. 4             /  /     UUCP: ...
  S-715 94  Odensbacken  /  /            kullmar!pkmab!daniel
  SWEDEN                /  /       Phone: +46-19-52037, +46-19-111441 (BBS)
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 21 Aug 89 18:57:34 GMT
From: mcvax!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Deimert)
Subject: Re: Any Make-Your-Own-Music program out there?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
In article <2333@iesd.dk> lbn@iesd.dk ( Lars Bo Nielsen ) writes:
>I was wondering if there are any music programs for the ST. What I am
>looking for is a program where you can make your own music, and play
>it using the speaker in the monitor (i.e. NOT using the MIDI). I would
>prefer it to run on a monochrome monitor (thats the only one I got).
 
I don't know if there's any programs for monochrome, but there are several
for color (like the "SoundTracker" for the Amiiiiga, yerk :).
Soon there will come a 4-voice SoundTracker-look-alike from a couple of
Swedish "Hackers". (I.e. SYNC). PD or SW, of course.
If you want I can keep you (and the rest of the Net) informed.
 
--
  Daniel Deimert           /  /    Internet: daniel@pkmab.se
  Fridstav. 4             /  /     UUCP: ...
  S-715 94  Odensbacken  /  /            kullmar!pkmab!daniel
  SWEDEN                /  /       Phone: +46-19-52037, +46-19-111441 (BBS)
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 21 Aug 89 10:52:46 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net  (Graham Thomas)
Subject: Re: Atari loyalty....How long can it last...
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
>From article <21397@cup.portal.com>, by Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com:
> Atari Corp. is run by a bunch of amateurs.  My niece's Junior Achievement
> Company could run Atari far better than the current management does.
>
 
People might be interested to know that at a recent UK Atari Show
(not attended by Atari UK) a petition was circulated which called
on Atari to support their machines in a way that mathced the
efforts of software companies and user groups.  Despite being run
from a stand in an obscure part of the show, the petition quickly
gathered thousands of signatures (I think I read 6,000, but I
doubt if that was the final total - anyone in the UK know any
better?)
 
An Atari spokesperson said they 'were not aware of the situation'
but would be willing to meet the organisers of the petition.  I
don't know if any meetings have taken place.
 
I believe the petition was organised by the Association of Atari
User Groups.  Maybe someone can supply their address, and the
text of the petition, so that Usenet people can add their names
to the list.
 
Graham
 
--
Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, U of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK
 JANET: grahamt@uk.ac.sussex.syma  EARN/BITNET: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk
 ARPA:  grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
 UUCP:  grahamt@syma.uucp          Phone: +44 273 686758
 
------------------------------
 
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 12:30:58 SET
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
From: I0908%DKAFHS1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: STFOLDED source code posting?
 
Date: 22 August 1989, 12:24:13 SET
From: Cornelius Caesar          BITNET / EARN:       I0908    at DKAFHS1
To:   info-atari16 at score.stanford.edu
 
Can somebody (or probably Todd Burkey himself ??) please post the source
code of STFOLDED also to comp.sources.atari.st, if the author permits it?
 
Thus we people on remote BITNET nodes (hi, Larry Rymal...) without FTP access
could get it from the archive server.
 
Thanks,
   Cornelius
 
PS: Of course I would also be glad to receive a personal mailing of the
    source code...
 
------------------------------
 
From:       G. J. Baker <gge%CXA.DARESBURY.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Date:       Tue, 22 Aug 89 12:35:17 +0100
To:         info-atari16%score.stanford.edu%earn-relay@DLGM.DL.AC.UK
Subject:    AMCGDOS (again)
 
A while back Julian Reschke posted a copy of the english version of the
german GDOS replacement (AMCGDOS). I can decode my copy, but no way can
I unarc it. I keep getting 'CRC check fails' error. Has anyone got a
working copy that they could post to me.
Many thanks in advance.
G.J.Baker
JANET:gge@uk.ac.dl.cxa                     |  Post:    S.E.R.C.,
Internet:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu  |           Daresbury Laboratories,
EARN/BITNET:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@UKACRL        |           Warrington, WA4 4AD,
UUCP:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@ukc.uucp             |           U.K.
                                           |  Phone    +44 925 603586
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 21 Aug 89 16:40:31 GMT
From: att!mtuxo!mtgzz!drutx!druhi!terrell@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (TerrellE)
Subject: Atari Dealer Database
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
 
Does anyone have a database of Atari dealers in the US (or overseas
for that matter)?
 
I am looking for dealers/distributers of a software product that I've
developed.  Any leads will be appreciated.
 
 
Thanks in advance,
 
 
 
 
Eric Terrell
 
------------------------------
 
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: subscribe
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 08:52:19 -0400
From: "James A. Murray" <jmurray@note.nsf.gov>
 
subscribe
please add me to the mailing list
                             thank you,
                              James Murray
                              jmurray@note.nsf.gov
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 22 Aug 89 05:02:41 GMT
From: psuvm!jjl101@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu  (J.J. Lehett)
Subject: More on drive "no write" problem
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
     As another sidenote on my problem concerning my drive not writing is
that I get no errors at all from the system .... and that if I delete something
it will immediately show it as gone... I guess the directory is stored in RAM..
. but when I close and reopen the directory the program is right back on the
disk.... any help at all will be appreciated!
         Thanks in advance,
-------
*                                                                  *
*   J.J. Lehett              Bitnet address:   JJL101@PSUVM.bitnet *
*                                   or         JJL@ECL.PSU.EDU     *
*     a.k.a. Scux                              JJL@PSUECL.bitnet   *
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 22 Aug 89 02:32:48 GMT
From: psuvm!jjl101@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu  (J.J. Lehett)
Subject: Help with drive "no write" please!
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
     I am experiencing a rather horrible problem right now... my drive -
a single sided on, does not seem to have the ability to write to disks
anymore, although it reads them fine... I can't even format a new disk
properly.... as much as I can tell it is not a virus... I have used
"clean disks" and the same problem occured.... I had this problem once
before, but I can't remember how I fixed it, I just messed around with
placement of equipment, pushed chips down and such, and within a day of
fooling around like that - it worked again.... but I can't get it to this
time... does anyone have any ideas or was faced with a similiar problem
and knows a fix?
-------
 
*   J.J. Lehett              Bitnet address:   JJL101@PSUVM        *
*        a.k.a. Scux                                               *
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 21 Aug 89 20:54:44 GMT
From:
 agate!helios.ee.lbl.gov!wasatch!cs.utexas.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!mailrus!sharkey!
itivax!m2-net!moses@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Eric Doggett)
Subject: UUCP packages
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
Does anyone know of a PD UUCP package that would work on the IBM emulator
or the Atari ST itself, I would like one that can handle news as well..
I would like to know of one that can be gotten through ftp...
             cardiology.ummc.umich.edu!m-net!moses
             cardiology.ummc.umich.edu!sharkey.cc.umich.edu!spirit!wybbs!moses
 
------------------------------
 
Date:         22 AUG 89 13:03:36 CST
From:     Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
To:       <INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:  CAPS LOCK DEVICE REQUEST
 
    During the WOA at Dallas, lowly user that I am, I asked several
developers and commercial ST miracle workers if it was possible to build
a caps lock indicator for the ST.  I discovered that *I must be the only one
who needs this*!  Not one single developer saw the need.  They looked at
me in awe and politely listened.  Yes, it was possible they said, but no,
I'm not interested and the need is really not there, they indicated.
    Sigh.  Try logging on a mainframe that is case sensitive or accidentally
bump the caps lock key when fat fingering.  For a touch typist who spends
more time looking at the copy rather than the screen, it can be infuriating
to see your screen output in the wrong case.  If a LED indicator could be
had, then your peripheral vision would see the caps lock indicator.
    Yes, there are corner caps/lock indicators that are software driven.
However, these may not always work for certain programs and, when using
the ST in emulation mode for either Spectre or IBM, then the user has to
tap the keys a couple of times to determine the case.
    At any rate, is anyone else interested in a hardware caps/lock
indicator?  If so, how would one be built?
 
Larry Rymal in East Texas <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
 
------------------------------
 
Date:         Tue, 22 Aug 1989 14:56 EDT
From: Chuck Reid <CCSCHR@UWOCC1.uwo.ca>
Subject:      PD applications on GENIE / EMPIRE Version 3.0 for the ST.
To: Atari ST Digest <Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU>
 
 
I am one one of what I expect are many, many readers of the electronic
magazines "STREPORT" and "ZMAG" (thanks to Greg Lindahl!). With each
weekly issue, I end up drooling over the reviews of the various Public
Domain and Shareware applications available on the various Online
services such as GENIE.
 
I do not have access to these services do to my limited budget (if I
were to subscribe, I'm sure I would blow my budget many times over)!
The fact that I live in the frozen north of Canada doesn't help matters
either (these services are not particularly easy to get to from up here
unless one endorses one's paycheck over to the phone company in its
entirety).
 
Through the magic of interconnected networks I do (as does most of the
rest of the world outside of the continental USA) have access to various
servers/archives from which I can extract goodies. Unfortunately, the
vast majority of the reviewed and recommended PD goodies never see the
light of day outside the "for-pay" services.
 
If some gracious GENIE user had it in their heart to do the ATARI
community at large a great service then they might take it upon
themselves to periodically suck up the best from GENIE and input these
applications to the more worldly available servers/archives often
mentioned in this digest. The two servers I use personally are:
TERMINATOR and PANARTHEA. These are both excellent sources for a
non-IP user like me with EMAIL access and no anon-FTP abilities.
 
Thanks for the help!!!
 
      ----------------------
 
Has anybody seen or heard a recent update on the availibilty of
EMPIRE 3.0 for the ST.
 
     Note: EMPIRE is a commerical product and not PD or shareware!
     ====  Buy it, don't steal it!!! Contact INTERSTEL.
 
The last this reader heard was an appetizing summary of what was to
be made availble in this new release. This was dated some time in
November 1988. As you can see this info is comming up on its one year
anniversary which really makes me wonder. I could call INTERSTEL but
then that issue of LONG distance phone calls presents itself (only to
reach some order-taker who doesn't know anything and takes ten minutes
of prime time long distance charges to tell you that they don't know
anything)!
 
Thanks again!
 
   _       _
  / ) / / / )                     "In theory, there is no difference
 /   /-/ /_/                       between theory and practice;
(_/ / / / | .                      In practice, there is"
Chuck Reid.       Local 5992
                  Rm16.SLB.CCS.UWO.London.Canada / CCSCHR@UWOCC1.UWO.CA
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 22 Aug 89 18:39:38 GMT
From: marge.math.binghamton.edu!dennis@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu  (dennis
 pixton)
Subject: gulam bug
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
I've noticed several problems with redirection in gulam (1.03.04.05) -- most
recently with shar and ssed.  I finally narrowed it down to the following
situation.
 
I wrote a trivial program, args.prg (compiled with mwc) to dump out its
args, the environment, and whether the file handles are ttys.  When I run
 
        args a b > junk
 
I get the output in junk: arg[0] through arg[2] are "args", "a", and "b"; and
handle 1 is not a tty.  I then simply *rename* args.prg to shar.prg and run
 
        shar a b > junk
 
This time the output is to the screen: arg[0] to arg[4] are "shar", "a",
"b", ">", and "junk"; and handle 1 is a tty.  I checked that there is not
another "shar" in my path, and that env_type is set to "mw".
 
The same thing happens if I rename args.prg to ssed.prg, but if I rename it
to (for example) sed.prg then the redirection is correct.  The problem
doesn't happen if I use msh instead of gulam.
 
Does anyone know what is happening??  And is there any possibility of an
upgrade to gulam??
 
 
 
 
--
Dennis Pixton
Department of Mathematical Sciences     (607) 777-4239
SUNY-Binghamton                         dennis@math.binghamton.edu
Binghamton, NY  13901                   dpixton@bingvaxa.bitnet
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 22 Aug 89 02:25:54 GMT
From: hp-pcd!hplsla!andyc@hplabs.hp.com  (Andy Cassino)
Subject: Re: HELP IDENTIFYING SEAGATE 296N WITH REV. 7 ROM
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
bissiri@blake.acs.washington.edu writes:
|
| Thirdly, the packing slip from the manufacturer gives the drive's specs.
|
 
I'll verify this - I'm looking at mine right now.
 
| Note that many folks with the ROM 8 296N are quite happy with
| 2:1 interleave and about 400+k data transfer rate.  After all, most
| things coming off your drive are relatively small.  Unless you have
| disk intensive operations going all the time, you may be satisfied with
| ROM 8's.
|
 
I'll also verify this. My experience is that the FAT lookup is a much bigger
bottleneck than transfer rate - even with FATSPEED. Also, when loading large
programs, I notice that quite often it takes the program 2-3 times longer to
wake up than it took to get it off disk. Increasing transfer rate 30%
isn't going to be very helpful. My guess is that handling very large data
files is where the transfer rate is going to get in your way - then you
want to try something like the Quantum Kevin mentioned.
 
I'd also mention that a good disk cache is really the best way to speed
up some disk-intensive operations like compiles, short of putting all the
libraries, files and executables in a RAM disk, that is. I use DCACHE and
with 200-300K of cache, recompiles often only make one or two brief disk
accesses.
 
 
 
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein are those solely
of the author, who has no pecuniary interest in the companies mentioned.
 
Copyright (c) 1989 by Andrew Cassino.  All rights reserved.
 
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
    % Andy Cassino                                                  %
    % uucp: hplabs!hplsla!andyc  domain: andyc%hplsla@hplabs.hp.com %
    % Hewlett-Packard              Lake Stevens Instrument Division %
    % 8600 Soper Hill Road                   Everett, WA 98205-1298 %
    % (206) 335-2211                                                %
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
------------------------------
 
End of Info-Atari16 Digest
**************************
-------
 
