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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Wed, 18 Apr 90       Volume 90 : Issue  456
 
Today's Topics:
                     Advice to Spectre GCR owners
     CAN A PROGRAM'S OUTPUT TO PRINTER BE "TRAPPED" FOR EDITING ?
                        color on mono monitor
                             Drive Probs
                      Gemini 1.1 Docs in English
                     Info request on rumoured TT
                 MOUSEKAMANIA-- how to save settings
                         Nethack 3 for the ST
                      One world, One CPU, One OS
        Proposed change to names of sources/binaries postings
                 Spelling checkers? (PD or otherwise)
                             TOS 1.4 info
        Upgrading memory and color...STE color changer anyone?
                               UUDecode
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Date: 17 Apr 90 21:08:36 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Advice to Spectre GCR owners
Message-ID: <1630@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <11272@portia.Stanford.EDU>, zimm@portia.Stanford.EDU (Dylan Yolles)
 writes:
> The Spectre GCR manual never makes it clear whether or not one can get
> away with using the "Shutdown" menu option in Mac mode (versus just ejecting
> the disks).
> My advice: DON'T DO IT! I tried it *once* and now my hard drive
> is garbled. (Yes, I'm using the new release of the Spectre software. Perhaps
> the older software works better.)
>
Shutdown does a 'reset' instruction amoung other things.
 
What probably happened is that you had the HFS filesystem on the HD in a bad
state and now its damaged.
 
This brings out a bigger caution.  MAC buffers the data to the Filesystem,
and 'eject' is the only way to guarantee all the info is written out.
One will think that resetting the Atari is OK, because most of the time
the Filesystem is being read.  But, change something, and look out.
 
In the MAC world there are several file system repair programs.  Most seem
to bypass enough of the MAC OS to kill Spectre also.
 
Does anyone have a file system repair utility that will run under Spectre?
How about one that runs under TOS and knows how to fix MAC partitins?
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 01:41:17 GMT
From: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cunixd.cc.columbia.edu!ia4@rutgers.edu  (Imran
 Anwar)
Subject: CAN A PROGRAM'S OUTPUT TO PRINTER BE "TRAPPED" FOR EDITING ?
Message-ID: <1990Apr18.014117.6630@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
 
I have an ATARI ST program (Dr. T's KCS). The text data in the program can
be printed to an ASCII or Epson printer.
 
I have an HP Laserjet IIp. The program prints the first line of text as on
an Epson but then blanks out.
 
I need a program or DA that can "trap" the output before it goes to printer so
I can edit or save it to disk.
 
Any solutions?
 
THanks
 
Imran Anwar
 
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Date: 16 Apr 90 08:20:05 GMT
From:
 samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!gopnbg!tmpmbx!zelator!techno@thin
 k.com  (Frank Dahncke)
Subject: color on mono monitor
Message-ID: <439@zelator.UUCP>
 
>>resolutions with gray scales.  Anyone have any info on this (doc, difficulty)?
>>   Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>                                          -Todd
 
>The company's name is iks, maybe one of the European readers can leave an
 
The adress is:
iks
Schoenblickstr. 7
7516 Karlsbad 7
West Germany
 
Prices are as follows:
 
Complete conversion of your monitor: DM 249.-
Kit with all parts soldered on and german manual: DM 149.-
Empty board including all parts and german manual: DM 129.-
 
including utility software
 
postage and packing DM 5.-
 
*THEY* claim: 100% software compatible, industrial quality
 
Payment from outside West Germany only via cheque
 
By the way, they have a voice line (if you speak german :-) ):
049-07202-6793 *after* 18.00h local time
 
                       Hope this helps,
                                          Techno
 
--
techno@zelator.UUCP
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Nothing that's real is ever for free, you just have to pay for it some-
time.                              (Al Stewart)
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 00:03:45 GMT
From: mailrus!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Anubis)
Subject: Drive Probs
Message-ID: <22917@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
 
I'm having a small drive problem.  I'm no techy or anything, but I
happen to have a multimeter and went at it.  Symptoms:  ST either will
not boot at all with the 2nd drive hooked up or will only run boot
sector code and auto folder programs before it seems to have problems
reading the drive.  eventually it 'slow boots' to the desktop.  I
flipped over the st and checked 14 solder points directly under the
drive port.  It went something like this...
 
      11    9    14    8    10
         5    13    12    4
      7     ?     1    2,6   ?
 
The numbers coincide with the pin number.  You'll notice that the two
question marks do not seem to go to any of the pins, and that 2 and 6
both seem to go to the same place.  Also, I could not find pin 3
anywhere.  Does this look right?
 
 
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 00:14:38 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!rpi!uupsi!ncs.dnd.ca!balkwill@tut.cis.ohio
 -state.edu  (R. J. Balkwill)
Subject: Gemini 1.1 Docs in English
Message-ID: <870@ncs.dnd.ca>
 
PLEASE excuse the binary in this group - finger trouble.  Was fuer ein
DUMMHEIT!
 
The two doc parts have been posted to comp.binaries.atari.st and will
be available as soon as Steve Grimm has released them.
---
Bob
 
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Date: 17 Apr 90 20:45:51 GMT
From: chinet!saj@gargoyle.uchicago.edu  (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Info request on rumoured TT
Message-ID: <1990Apr17.204551.12462@chinet.chi.il.us>
 
I don't know how reasonable this is as a possibility.  What I do know is that
Mark Williams Company is selling their UNIX clone, 'Coherent', for the Intel
chip-based market right now, and that they have nothing fundamentally against
the Atari ST market, they just don't find it big enough to make very much
effort financially worthwhile.  The natural question is whether there's a
reasonable way to induce Mark Williams Company to do a version of Coherent
which would run on both STs and TTs.  If nothing else, it would be a nice
development platform for both machines.  At best, it might become the standard
character-based UNIXoid for the TT.  (If you'd trust version 1.0 of an Atari
labelled UNIX more than the first ST port of Coherent, ____________...(That
means fill in the blank)).  The key questions are how many copies could
they sell for the ST, how long would it be before Atari's UNIX (presumably
with GUI) became more attractive on the TT, and (presuming that the true
answers would justify a release of Coherent), how do we get the message out?
                                    Steve J.
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 00:42:16 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.
 edu!cs325ec@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: MOUSEKAMANIA-- how to save settings
Message-ID: <16000058@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 
        I saw the message about mousekamania at terminator and downloaded
        it... Kind of cute, but there are no docs.  I edited the file
        and saw mousehi.def, mousemed.def etc. as strings, but I don't
        know what to stick in there to get it to autoload a mouse setting.
 
        Any help?
 
        Thanks.
 
        -- Greg
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 01:56:14 GMT
From:
 clyde.concordia.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!ria!uwovax!7103_
 2622@uunet.uu.net  (Eric Smith)
Subject: Nethack 3 for the ST
Message-ID: <5760.262b90fe@uwovax.uwo.ca>
 
In article <437@zelator.UUCP>, techno@zelator.UUCP (Frank Dahncke) writes:
> Could someone PLEASE put Nethack ST V3.0 (pl7) into comp.binaries.atari.st
> (again ?). I only got pl3 and have no ftp access.
*Please* don't do this. Pl7 contains a number of bugs. The final version
of NetHack (pl8) will be available Real Soon Now. Please be patient.
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            ERSMITH@uwovax.uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario   ERSMITH@uwovax.bitnet
London, Ont. Canada N6A 5B7
ph: (519) 661-3638
 
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Date: 17 Apr 90 14:45:54 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.u
 ka.de!smurf!gopnbg!altger!stasys!fkk@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Frank Kaefer)
Subject: One world, One CPU, One OS
Message-ID: <975@stasys.sta.sub.org>
 
demon@desire.wright.edu writes:
 
> Reading the articles that say how alike Amiga, Atari, and Mac users
> are:
> It would be nice if these users could all have one unified operating
> system.  (Yes, there is UNIX but not everyone has 4-8 meg of ram and 80+meg
> hard disks.)  What does Apple have to lose by liscensing the Mac OS to
> Commodore and Atari?
 
Well, I think there are also some other OS that are worth considering.
For example I'd like to mention OS-9/68000. OS-9 is a small but
efficient OS, with many Unix-like features like multitasking/multiuser.
And OS-9 doesn't need much memory (the Kernel has only 25680 bytes).
Many Unix-utilities have been ported (if PD) or been rewritten for
OS-9, and many sources from comp.sources.unix can be compiled with
minor changes. So, OS-9/68k is the OS if you want to have a good
multitasking OS for your 68000 CPU. To mention some programs I got
running under OS-9: uucp (uupc), news, NN (newsreader), notes,
nethack 3pl7, conquer, (u)larn, moria, omega etc.
(I really do like playing rogue style games :)
 
Cheers,
Frank
---
+--------------------------------+ Darkness all around us
| Frank Kaefer | fkk@stasys.UUCP | We don't close our eyes
|   (Compuserve: 72427,2101)     | No one's gonna ground us
|          (BIX: fkaefer)        | We were born to fly
|     Starnberg, West Germany    | Comin' at us no stopping
+--------------------------------+ Born to amplify    [Carry On - Manowar]
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 14:02:12 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!pinet!rdf@tut.cis.ohio-st
 ate.edu  (Robert Feinman)
Subject: Proposed change to names of sources/binaries postings
Message-ID: <1990Apr13.140212.13407@pinet.aip.org>
 
Changing name to xxx.uax would be a good idea. Makes the whole decode
process much faster.
 
--
Robert Feinman                                          rdf@pinet.aip.org
American Institute of Physics                           rdf@aip.bitnet
 
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Date: 17 Apr 90 21:36:07 GMT
From: portal!atari!apratt@apple.com  (Allan Pratt)
Subject: Spelling checkers? (PD or otherwise)
Message-ID: <2150@atari.UUCP>
 
I'm looking for recommendations on a spelling checker for the ST.  I
want a stand-alone program, not one built into a word processor.  It
should take an ASCII file as input and produce an output file (or
redirectable standard output) consisting of the list of misspelled
words, or something equally generic.  If it's PD or shareware, all the
better.
 
Please reply by mail, not by posting, and I'll post a summary of
replies.  Thanks.
 
============================================
Opinions expressed above do not necessarily     -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else.      ...ames!atari!apratt
 
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Date: 17 Apr 90 23:48:39 GMT
From: portal!atari!apratt@apple.com  (Allan Pratt)
Subject: TOS 1.4 info
Message-ID: <2152@atari.UUCP>
 
jfbruno@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John F. Bruno) writes:
>Don't tell me they screwed up again!!! What if I have a volume with
>10K free and I want to move a 20K file into a folder?!?!
 
Moves (via the Gemdos call Frename) are in fact accomplished by
changing directory entries, not by copying files, when the source &
dest are on the same logical drive.
 
By the way, I *live* for this kind of posting.  Polite, considerate...
just the sort of posting that is sure to result in a speedy,
informative reply. Yup, this is the kind of news that makes me want to
get to work early every day.
 
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Opinions expressed above do not necessarily     -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else.      ...ames!atari!apratt
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 01:20:34 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr
 1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Anubis)
Subject: Upgrading memory and color...STE color changer anyone?
Message-ID: <22920@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
 
Hi all,
 
I am in the process of upgrading my memory and color on my ST using a
John Russel Innovations board.  It uses SIMMS, and for 25 extra
dollars lets me expand to 4096 colors.  I can't tell you how it works
right now, because my MMU will only handle 1 meg of memory and I am
waiting for another MMU to come.  Needless to say, I am having some
memory problems at the moment since I have 2.5 megs and my mmu insists
I have 1 meg.  Ramdisks tend to garble data...Revolver just refuses to
work at all...does anyone else have a JRI board?
 
To get to the point, I am curious to see if an STE color palatte
accessory will work with my color upgrade.  Could someone possible
uuencode me one and mail it, or point me to an FTP site that has one
available?  I assume that such a thing is PD, of course...I can't
imagine it being otherwise.
 
Here's a question for Alan Pratt or someone else working at Atari, My
local atari dealer had a real problem getting an MMU for me that could
handle the extra memory.  Is there a shortage of MMU's out there or is
some distributor just yanking his chain?
 
(OH , as a side note, the colors work real nice.  It is compatible
with Space Ace, had some nice scenes in there.  Not trying to promote
the product or anything, just letting you know.  If anyone is
interested in hearing a full report on the board, send me mail and
I'll write up a detail on what I think of it...I'll even post it if
there is enough response...)
 
 
 
 
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
*     Christoper Roth                         *  "Machines have no
*     InterNet  :  cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu      *   Conscience..."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Post No Bills-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
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Date: 17 Apr 90 21:39:31 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!gos.ukc.ac.uk!anw1@uunet.uu.net
 (A.N.Walkeden)
Subject: UUDecode
Message-ID: <2927@gos.ukc.ac.uk>
 
I dont know if I am missing something obvious here,but....
 
I have found a piece of PD software I would like, and have FTP'd it to
my machine, where I find it is over 700KBytes in size.
 
Now when I UUDecode this file it produces another output file of similar
magnitude, thus there is not enough room for it on a 3.5" disk.
 
Is there any way around this problem, can you hack the file into pieces
and then somehow rejoin them later, or is the only solution to get a hard
drive?
 
Any help greatly appreciated.
 
                Adrian
--
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the
 shoulder of Orion, I watched C beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser
 gate. All these, memories will be lost in time; like tears in rain."
"Time to die."
 
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