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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu, 21 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue  846
 
Today's Topics:
                           ATTN: David Bell
                         Blitz cable diagram
                    Chaos Strikes Back (CSB) bugs?
                FLAMES and SUPPORT IN THE MINUS REALM
                        LHARC source and UNIX
                           program editors
                      Quick ST 1.8 is available
                   USENET's legal standing vs GEnie
                            Usenet-->GEnie
                  USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
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Date: 21 Dec 89 20:41:23 GMT
From: att!cbnewsm!cbz@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (craig.b.ziemer)
Subject: ATTN: David Bell
Message-ID: <7961@cbnewsm.ATT.COM>
 
David:
I've been trying to reach you via email, without success.  Please mail me
the ARC version of the program to do screen dumps to a 24 pin Epson printer.
Thank you!
 
*  Craig B. Ziemer                %%        DISCLAIMER: AT&T does not  *
*  AT&T Bell Laboratories       %%%%%%      officially support what I  *
*  Reading, PA                    %%        just said, in fact, they   *
*  UUCP ADDRESS: alux6!cbz        %%             rarely do :~)         *
 
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Date: 21 Dec 89 15:15:45 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!peregrine!c
 cicpg!paulm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (tmp Paul Moreau usenet acct)
Subject: Blitz cable diagram
Message-ID: <51972@ccicpg.UUCP>
 
~&%*&!
I just accidently deleted the file containing the Blitz cable wiring
diagram that came over the sys.atari.st group.
 
Could some kind soul please E-mail me a copy ????
Thanx.
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   | UUCP:  ...ccicpg!dl2!paulm |      Paul L. Moreau       |
   |   or   ...ccicpg!dl1!paulm | Diagnostics Software Eng. |
   |   or   ...ccicpg!paulm     |    Irvine, California     |
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Date: 21 Dec 89 21:39:44 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!news@tut.cis.ohio-st
 ate.edu  (Michael Murphy)
Subject: Chaos Strikes Back (CSB) bugs?
Message-ID: <21557@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
 
worked with TOS 1.4.  Well, to answer the question, it works just fine.  In
fact, I haven't really had any problem with anything NOT working with the
new tos, except for a few really old games.  The DM2, of course, works
just fine with the new tos!
 
cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu
From: cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Roth)
Path: beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr1
 
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Date: 21 Dec 89 22:05:55 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr
 1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Christopher Roth)
Subject: FLAMES and SUPPORT IN THE MINUS REALM
Message-ID: <21558@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
 
In article <8912210817.AA06313@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MBERNAR@ERENJ.BITNET (mb)
 writes:
>
>fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com mentioned that the ST
>comes with ST Basic, Logo and documentation.  I don't think this is true
>at the present.  When I bought my ST in April, it didn't come with Logo or
>any manual for ST Basic.
 
I just purchased my 1040 ST , oh, about a year ago, and I can affirm
that it only came with Atari BASIC.  Now, I hesitate to call Atari
basic an actual language, but I suppose you can technically call it
that.  As for paying for such a thing...Ick!  Anyone who wants to
program on their computer is bound to go and purchase a programming
language of their own, so when you get right down to it, it isn't
necessary to include a programming language with the computer.  I
would have liked to have received a little bit more documentation on
the machine then I got, though.  That little tan booklet they give you
covers the basics rather lightly, it would be nice to know more about
the machine without having to buy a book somewhere else.
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Date: 21 Dec 89 16:36:45 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!peregrine!c
 cicpg!paulm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (tmp Paul Moreau usenet acct)
Subject: LHARC source and UNIX
Message-ID: <51989@ccicpg.UUCP>
 
Well it seems that the LHARC is going to take over the atari archiving
world.  I for one use a UNIX system for posting and recieving news
and binaries.   I uudecode, and unarc on the unix system and examine
the stuff before going through the expense of going home, making a
LONG DISTANCE call to work and download the stuff.  If LHARC is to be
the new standard (which I can see the benefit in smaller archives) I'd
like to get the source so I can port it to our UNIX system.
If the source is protected (which it seems to be) then I don't think
I'll be downloading any more files unless I know what to expect in them.
 
I hope that the source is available!
I think that the majority of readers on the net here are on UNIX machines
and would also like to get LHARC on thiers also.
 
Just my $0.02 worth.
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Date: 21 Dec 89 10:13:55 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!masalla.fulcrum.bt.co.uk!chrisl@uunet.uu.net  (Chris
 Parkin Lilley)
Subject: program editors
Message-ID: <=&?QF%@masalla.fulcrum.bt.co.uk>
 
In article <25120@cup.portal.com> smolin@cup.portal.com (Steve Jacob Molin)
 writes:
>Has anyone done the editor vi on the ST?
>
 
        Yes. It's called Stevie (ST VI?). I'm not sure where you'd be able to
get it from, though. I got my copy from the University of Lancaster, UK,
via a friend. I've only used it a little bit, and well, it's OK, but the
major reasons for using it in my eyes aren't yet implemented. There is no
global change facility ('ex'-type command), and the undo facility isn't
implemented yet. There are large chunks missing, really. It's also very
slow at doing inserts. I guess it's OK if you're hell-bent on using 'vi',
but I prefer to use micro-emacs (currently 3.8b, shortly to be 3.10)
for the simple reason that it's *much* more fully implemented.
 
        Does anyone else know where Steve could get hold of Stevie in the US?
I've only got a binary, by the way. If necessary, I guess I could uuencode,
compress & post it. Any takers?
 
        -Chrisl.
 
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Chris Parkin Lilley, CS1.2, BT Fulcrum, UK               chrisl@uk.co.bt.fulcrum
 
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Date: 21 Dec 89 20:32:30 GMT
From: microsoft!w-darekm@uunet.uu.net  (Darek MIHOCKA)
Subject: Quick ST 1.8 is available
Message-ID: <10034@microsoft.UUCP>
 
Quick ST 1.8 - the Software Screen Accelerator, is now available. It is
up to 25% faster than Quick ST 1.7 at GEM related operations, and now has
support for the Viking Moniterm 19" monitor.
 
Quick ST 1.8 will be in the stores shortly. If you are a registered user
of Quick ST 1.7, send us email requesting an update. The email path is:
...!watcgl!electro!brasoft!updates
 
Do not send the mail until after the Christmas weekend, because our node will
be down over the long weekend.
 
Quick ST 1.8 still uses only 20K of memory in monochrome/Moniterm mode, and
16K in color.
 
A demo version of Quick ST 1.8 can be downloaded from the Atari ST libraries
of Compuserve and GEnie information services.
 
 - Darek
 
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Date: 21 Dec 89 22:31:11 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!srcsip!nic.MR.NET!
 ns!logajan@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (John Logajan)
Subject: USENET's legal standing vs GEnie
Message-ID: <1989Dec21.223111.13500@ns.network.com>
 
> The matter of Dave violating or not violating the law is totally
> up to USENET, not the attorney general.
 
USENET is not a legal entity and thus has no legal standing.
 
> I'm just saying USENET could get him.
 
USENET is not a legal entity and thus has no legal standing.
 
>  -- Richard Kelsch
 
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- John M. Logajan @ Network Systems;  7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 -
- logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, Phn 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853 -
 
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 89 15:34:20 PST
From: escd!es56!karl@decwrl.dec.com (Karl Rowley)
Subject: Usenet-->GEnie
Message-ID: <8912212334.AA24630@es56.escd.uucp>
 
Why does everyone have such a problem with forwarding Usenet messages
to Genie?  There are already other services out there that provide
access to Usenet messages for a fee.  Not everyone has access to Usenet
through their place of work.
 
No one will be forced to pay Genie for access to Usenet messages.
 
If anyone posting to Usenet doesn't like the idea of people having to
pay, then they can choose not to post.
 
The beauty of Usenet is that it is difficult for anyone to force their
form of tyranny on anyone else.
 
That is my two cents worth.  Copy me directly on any replies -- I am
waiting by my mailbox with a bucket of cold water.
 
                                Karl Rowley
                                Evans and Sutherland Computer Division
                                1808 N. Shoreline Blvd.
                                Mountain View, California, USA
                                ...!amdahl!escd!karl
                                escd!karl@decwrl.dec.com
 
 
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Date: 21 Dec 89 22:17:19 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!srcsip!nic.MR.NET!ns!logajan@tut.cis.ohio-sta
 te.edu  (John Logajan)
Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
Message-ID: <1989Dec21.221719.13364@ns.network.com>
 
bmaraldo@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:
>If two-way communication
>is not installed or the USENET->GEnie uplink isn't removed I'd be willing
>to cast an official vote (what ever that means :-) against the uplink.
 
There is no legal restriction to who may connect to USENET, therefore there
is no binding vote that can restrict who may so connect.  Further, since
there is no legal restriction to who may connect to USENET, there can be
no legally recognized distinction between sites.  Thus site restriction
messages in notices of copyright are legally meaningless.  Yet further,
there is no general information flow restriction that can be legally
enforced for any site or group of sites.
 
But beyond those mere matters of legality and ethics (which refute the
information stoppee's at every turn).  Ask yourself this simple question.
How long do you think GEnie users will sit still with not being able to
post to the messages they can read from USENET?
 
 
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- John M. Logajan @ Network Systems;  7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 -
- logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, Phn 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853 -
 
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