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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon, 25 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue  858
 
Today's Topics:
            Address/Phone/Dial-out desk accessory (2 msgs)
                     Blitz copy cable and utility
                FLAMES and SUPPORT IN THE MINUS REALM
                     Unexpandable megas (3 msgs)
                  USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
                    Usenet messages on CIS, GEnie
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Date: 25 Dec 89 07:18:49 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr
 1@think.com  (Christopher Roth)
Subject: Address/Phone/Dial-out desk accessory
Message-ID: <21568@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
 
In article <5149@blake.acs.washington.edu> ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu
 (Enartloc Nhoj) writes:
>Anyone know of a reliable desk accessory that
>is a simple address/phone book
>that does dial-out?
>
>thanks in advance.
>
>-kc
 
This is working purely from  memory, but I believe there is something
called the MOB DIALER or MOBZDIAL that will suit your needs.  I think
I found it by FTP in wuarchive.wustl.edu.  If this doesn't help you,
try either looking around a bit or send me mail.
 
Chris
 
 
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Date: 24 Dec 89 23:20:02 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@apple.com
Subject: Address/Phone/Dial-out desk accessory
Message-ID: <25340@cup.portal.com>
 
There is an excellent DA called cardfile available on GEnie, and probably
other systems including BBSes. It has only one defect which is that it
doesn't allow space for the new (long) Zip codes. It has a separate field
for first name, last name, middle initial, title, company, address, home phone
work phone and a couple of comments fields. It allows for filtering on the
basis of any string in any field on the basis of all records that have
any of the chosen field strings or those that match all of them. If you don't
have access to it, and or others would like it I'll UUENCODE and post it here.
 
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Date: 25 Dec 89 05:02:35 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com
Subject: Blitz copy cable and utility
Message-ID: <25349@cup.portal.com>
 
Dave Small notes, about the BLITZ cable instructions...
>They are available on both the GEnie and CIS networks, and probably
>interminable BBS's. They're a bit long to uuencode and post here, though.
                     ...
>       So, if you know someone on GEnie or CIS ...
 
Or...  you can E-Mail me, and I can tell you how to order this month's
ARC utility disk from MACE, the Michigan Atari Computer Enthusiasts,
which has both the original BLITZ documents including text and DEGAS pic
of the cable, and the BLITZ-II (Turbo-BLITZ) software...
 
Or... check your local user group...
 
BobR
 
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Date: 25 Dec 89 04:47:52 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com
Subject: FLAMES and SUPPORT IN THE MINUS REALM
Message-ID: <25348@cup.portal.com>
 
Dan Scott says:
>You call LOGO and ST BASIC *REAL* programming languages?
 
That's not the point...
 
Atari has told us, in so many words, that they KNOW that owners of Atari
computers don't want to program them.
 
So why do they hand out programming languages then..?
 
(Why do I keep getting questions in answer to my questions from Atari folks,
instead of answers..?    Still wondering...)
 
BobR
 
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Date: 25 Dec 89 05:53:37 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com
Subject: Unexpandable megas
Message-ID: <25353@cup.portal.com>
 
Sigh... Greg Lindahl says, about Atari forcing customers into deadend
machines..
 
>You are obviously wrong on 2 counts:
 
>1) Then Atari would have not put SIMMs onto the STE
 
Wake up, Greg... Atari made the changes to the Mega ST2, to enforce their
policy of non-expandability something like *TWO YEARS* ago..
 
Putting SIMMs into STEs has nothing to do with a business decision made
that long ago (and incidentally won't help Mega owners at all).
 
>Leave your silly conspiracy theories at home.
 
Did I call it a "conspiracy"..?   I call it "business"... Atari's way of
enforcing their brand of short-term greed on their customer base. Their
stated policy on memory upgrading makes it clear why they did it.
 
Again, maybe the use of SIMMs in *new* products heralds a new era in Atari/
customer relations...    we'll see...
 
BobR
 
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Date: 25 Dec 89 05:27:21 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com
Subject: Unexpandable megas
Message-ID: <25352@cup.portal.com>
 
Greg Lindahl says, about Atari's making two different Mega PC boards..
 
>Maybe it doesn't cost them more? Do you know anything about manufacturing?
>I sure don't...
 
About PC board manufacturing..?  Yes, I do know about PC board manufacturing.
 
>   ... And so I try to avoid showing my ignorance in public by
>bashing Atari on topics that I don't know anything about.
 
Oh well, guess we won't be hearing from Greg anymore on this topic.. how
about anyone else who's been involved in designing PC boards, or etching
them, or the processes of automated drilling and parts insertion..  can
anyone think of a reason why it would be more cost effective to take ONE
part which serves an identical purpose in TWO products, and redesign it
so it only works in one of them, thus requiring TWO separate parts, lower
production volumes on each, and separate inventories..?
 
BobR
 
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Date: 25 Dec 89 05:17:44 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com
Subject: Unexpandable megas
Message-ID: <25351@cup.portal.com>
 
Sorry, this isn't "pick on Dan Scott" week, really... but...
 
>in article <25126@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com says:
>
>> Consider that the *cheapest* IBM clone board comes *socketed* for easy mem
>> expansion to the maximum RAM the system can utilize...
 
>However, the *cheapest* IBM clone still only knows about 640K of memory
>max (8086 based here).  Without an *EXPENSIVE* memory board in one of the
>card slots and some driver software 640K is all you'll ever get to use.
 
Missed the point again, Dan...
 
The point is, even a $59 IBM clone board can afford to provide you with the
sockets to add RAM up to *its* maximum capacity, while Atari Corp is too
cheap to install the $1.00 worth of sockets to give Atari owners expandabilit
to the maximum RAM capacity of their systems.
 
Maybe that's changing, now that we're seeing the promise of the use of
SIMMs for expansion... if it happens, that could be one of the best things
Atari has done in five years...
 
BobR
 
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Date: 25 Dec 89 07:07:28 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com
Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
Message-ID: <25355@cup.portal.com>
 
Rob DeMillo mentions:
>In addition, there are 10's of 1000's of people who can *not* get access
>to USEnet, would you deny them our info/rumors/conversations/etc?
 
In actual fact, I'm accessing UseNet right now through Portal, a *two way*
access point into UseNet for anyone who doesn't have access through
a University or company.
 
For a *flat rate* fee of $10 a month, plus about $1 an hour for PC Pursuit,
I can have two way access to UseNet...
 
So it's not true that GEnie subscribers can't get UseNet info...
 
BobR
 
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Date: 25 Dec 89 09:46:29 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Mark F. Newton)
Subject: Usenet messages on CIS, GEnie
Message-ID: <2327@sactoh0.UUCP>
 
Hmm. Alot of traffic on comp.sys.atari.st screaming, pleading,
apologizing, etc, about the posting of Usenet articles on GEnie.
 
From what I have read, a majority of the posters disliked the idea
very strongly, that Usenet messages appear on a pay service, that
is, a one-way link- Usenet on GEnie, but nothing from GEnie to
Usenet.
 
I understand that someone in rec.arts.anime compiles messages
(edited? unknown.) and uploads it to CompuServe's Japanimation
forum's downloads section, as "Usenet Digests". Now, as I
understand it, noone there has said anything about it. So the users
in r.a.a. apparently does't mind that their messages have to be
"paid for" and downloaded from CIS.
 
When I was on CIS, I used to see the files, but due to the size of
them (usually around 32k) I never dloaded them. (read: $$$) But
when I found out there was a local public access to Usenet, I
switched and use this system exclusively.
 
Now the users in r.a.a. apparently feel that the availability of
anime information should be passed around, and it is my impression
that c.s.a.st users do not want Usenet appearing on any pay
service.
 
Oyasuminasai da-cha,
Shinobu
 
 
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Sakura-mento, CA
 
mmsac!sactoh0!mfolivo   mfolivo@sactoh0
pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo   (they're worth a try...)
 
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