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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri,  1 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue 738
 
Today's Topics:
      Do MacScheme or Allegro Common Lisp run under Spectre GCR?
                       How to get new members??
                  ISOLATION....Cyber Studio dead?!?
                  LaserPrinters and the ST (2 msgs)
                          Still searching...
                          Trash, Disks, etc.
                      What Kermit/UNITERM bugs?
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Date: 1 Dec 89 23:29:14 GMT
From: mailrus!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!drc@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (David
 Cabana)
Subject: Do MacScheme or Allegro Common Lisp run under Spectre GCR?
Message-ID: <21341@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
 
I am prepared to buy a GCR in order to run a good lisp on my ST.
Does anyone know whether MacScheme or Allegro Common Lisp will
run under GCR?   How much ram will I need?  I'll get more if I have to...
                Thanks.
 
 
--
David Cabana
drc@beach.cis.ufl.edu
UUCP:   ...!gatech!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!drc
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 21:34:38 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdsu!ucselx!coffey@tut
 .cis.ohio-state.edu  (pat coffey)
Subject: How to get new members??
Message-ID: <4187@ucselx.sdsu.edu>
 
In article <471d2ea5.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>I am the new President of the Phoenix Atari ST Club here in
>Phoenix AZ. We have only about 25 active members in our club,
>and I would like ideas from other club members on how to recruit
>new members.
 
Sorry to clog the net with this --
I mailed a reply to covertr@force.UUCP and it bounced.  Is there another
address so I can mail my reply??
 
--
     _   _        Ms. Pat Coffey
    |_) (_        San Diego State University
    |             coffey@ucselx.sdsu.edu
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 13:11:18 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!tut!hydra!hylka!jalkio@uunet.uu.net
Subject: ISOLATION....Cyber Studio dead?!?
Message-ID: <1585.25767876@cc.helsinki.fi>
 
In article <4720cf1a.14a1f@force.UUCP>, covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>
> I understand that the ANTIC/STart publishers have written off the entire
> Atari US market. Witness the fact that the ANTIC "THE CATALOG" does not
> appear in STart any longer. and the fact that ANTIC has stopped developing
> new ST software. It is a sad day when a major software publisher stops
> publishing new software for your computer. I also understand that ANTIC now
> publishes an Amiga magazine which is going strong.
> B
 
WHAT? Does this mean that nobody will support the great Cyber series
software?! I mean CAD 3D II etc. They are from ANTIC, aren't they?!
 
>
>
> Rich Covert
 
                                        Jouni Alkio
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 21:05:13 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watcgl!sfwhite@tut.cis.ohi
 o-state.edu  (Stephen White)
Subject: LaserPrinters and the ST
Message-ID: <12513@watcgl.waterloo.edu>
 
In article <4725e878.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
 
> And then there is the problem of using the SLM804 with Spectre/GCR. It
> seems that Dave Small does have a 144 dpi printer driver for the SLM804,
> but not a 300 dpi printer driver. So, even with a Spectre and a SLM804,
> I can't get decent print outs. To do so would require spending another
> $500 for UltraScript. I wish Dave Small could bundle UltraScript with his
> products. Maybe that would lower the price of UltraScript to something
> affordable by more people. What say Dave, could you talk to the fine Imagen
> folks about bundling UltraScript with the GCR??
 
If you really want this to happen, talk to Adobe.  As far as I know,
the major cost of _any_ PostScript-compatible device or software is
the royalty paid to Adobe for developing PS.  Thus, UltraScript is
not likely to drop in price.  Can anyone confirm this?
--
        ___             Stephen F. White, esq.     standard_disclaimer()
 ______/__
<___   |  \  /\  /      "All sweeping generalizations are wrong." - Anon.
 ___>  |   \/  \/       sfwhite@watcgl.waterloo.edu
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 21:58:11 GMT
From: brunix!iris.brown.edu!mjv@uunet.uu.net  (Marshall Vale)
Subject: LaserPrinters and the ST
Message-ID: <22019@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <12513@watcgl.waterloo.edu> sfwhite@watcgl.waterloo.edu
(Stephen White) writes:
> If you really want this to happen, talk to Adobe.  As far as I know,
> the major cost of _any_ PostScript-compatible device or software is
> the royalty paid to Adobe for developing PS.  Thus, UltraScript is
> not likely to drop in price.  Can anyone confirm this?
 
 UltraScript is a PostScript _emulator_.  All of Adobe's PostScript is
published it what is known as the _Red Book_ and it has all the commands
that
make PS neat. However, it doesn't have the hints that Adobe uses in their
TYPE 1 fonts to get them to look really good on small resolution printers.
You pay royalties to Adobe when you buy your PS interpreter from them to
sell.
Imagen (or QMS who owns Imagen is a major printer manufacturer) wrote their
own interpreter to do the dirty work. No royalties to Adobe since their not
using any of their official product, just format. This is why US won't use
Type 1 Adobe fonts (including the stardard LaserWriter + fonts).  It uses a
format called Type 3 which out in the public to use on PS interpreters.
 Confused?  Sorry if you are.  Now you know how most Mac users are going to
feel
once System 7 hits.
 Most of the cost of US comes from the fonts (CompuGraphic fonts?)
 Spectre also does not do PS at 144dpi but ImageWriter emulation which is a
QuickDraw game. David Small could probably do 300dpi but it would be
again QuickDraw just like the LaserWriter SC.  IMHO, he is waiting to get
PS emulation working before going to 300dpi because that's what people
would expect anyway.
 Sorry for the ramblings, enjoy!
 
 
-- mjv@iris.brown.edu
 
"And, oh! Father Christmas, if you love me at all,
 Bring me a big, red india-rubber ball."
                                   A.A. Milne "Now We are Six"
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 19:33:39 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Deimert)
Subject: Still searching...
Message-ID: <2370@pkmab.se>
 
In article <1830@atari.UUCP>, kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes:
> daniel@pkmab.se (Daniel Deimert) writes:
>
> | I'm still looking for some kind of information about how to program
> | the new chips in the STe.
>
> Atari Corp. policy is that we offer developer support to registered
> developers, not to end users.  I know how you feel about the issue,
> and I'm sorry if you feel "left out."  It seems to me, though, that it
> just wouldn't be cost effective for us to offer the level of technical
> support we give to developers to end users.
 
Except for the fact that I don't give much for Atari Corp. policy,
I still think this is an isane behaviour.  In short sight, it might not
pay off informing end users, but I can assure you -- you won't be able
to sell a lot of computers if you don't tell them how to program it!
 
I do understand it is impossible to, for example, send out information
to each and every user that bought a ST, but it must be possible to
post a minimum of information to some knowledgeable people in the right
places.
 
The net, if used right, could be a source of inside information about
how to do things [like the posting of ARGV defs! *GREAT*] and what not
to do. And there're a lot of developers on the net, too.
 
And people from the net DO forward things to the right places. In a
few days, many more than those who read news would know.  Interesting
information is spread further through FidoNet and by mail, personal
contacts and phone calls.
 
Let's say that I tell 15 people how to do.  They tell 15 more each,
and in a week at least 15~5 persons would know how to do.  This is
around 760000 people! (To be compared to around 400000 STs in Sweden...)
 
This isn't cost effective?
 
"Who ask"?
 
It should at least be "cost effective" to give this information to
developers without them having to ask!  It is ATARI that should be trying
to get more customers, more developers and more programming done on the
ST -- this implicates more STs sold. Right?  Not the so called end user
trying furiosly to get his computer.
 
Why should I buy a computer I can't use?  Like buying a car and when
you ask for an explanation of the buttons getting the answer: "Sorry,
you have to be a registred driver to get to know this.  You shouldn't
know about more than the gear and the wheel."
 
 
A lot of people have been complaining on Atari Corp. lately, and even
more people have been complaining about this.
 
Have nobody thought of the possibility that there might be something
wrong? Why should we otherwise be bashing Atari? No, we only want to get
the most out of the computer.
 
Someone wrote that there must be a lot of people who wanted to take
care of one bug each.  I would love to, but I don't think this is possible.
But we ARE doing our best to help!
I have offered to help writing some demonstration programs to be put
on the STE language disk. I haven't even got a reply.   Atari Corp. was
obviosly not interested.
 
I do not want Atari Corp. to die -- I want to have an Atari computer,
otherwise I wouldn't have bought a STE.  But I do want to be able to program
it without paying more money than necessary money for it!
 
[BTW, I will soon post a couple of examples of how to program the STE.
 A lot of thanks to Ralph Haglund, qralph@dna.lth.se, for the translation
 from german!]
 
 And to those from Atari who're reading this:   Wouldn't it have been
cost effective posting slightly more than two pages of text to the net?
 One thing more:  Why not give this to the responsible people? I know
it isn't your fault, Ken and Allan.
 
Disclaimer:  After all, this is *MY* opinion.
 
--
    Daniel Deimert, Fridstavagen 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN
    Internet:   daniel@pkmab.se
    UUCP:       ...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 21:35:53 GMT
From: silver!kclenden@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (Kevin Clendenien)
Subject: Trash, Disks, etc.
Message-ID: <30662@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
 
In article <9911@saturn.ucsc.edu> dstr012@ucscg.UCSC.EDU () writes:
>Does anyone out there have or know where I can get a program to change
>the Trash and file cabinet icons on the desktop?  The old desktop is getting
>pretty boring and I am due for a change.  Thanks.
>
>         Roman Baker
Buy NeoDesk for Gribnif Software.  Not only can you change the
trashcan, and file cabinets, but you can change the icons for individual
files, or groups of files.  It's absolutely amazing how much an .ARC
file sticks our from a directory when it looks like Noah's arc...
NeoDesk does a lot of other neat and fancy things, and is well worth the
money you have to pay for it.  It will use 21K of memory that won't
be available to other programs, but again, it's well worth the memory.
 
 
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kclenden@silver.bacs.indiana.edu                          Kevin Clendenien
BLoomington Atari ST users group                          BLAST, President
BLAST BBS - (812) 332-0573                                FNET node #141
 
"Of course any opinions or views stated above do not necessarily represent
the official  position of any person,  or organization other that of Kevin
Clendenien."
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Date: 1 Dec 89 17:12:50 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!nikhefh!t19@uunet.uu.net  (Geert J v Oldenborgh)
Subject: What Kermit/UNITERM bugs?
Message-ID: <573@nikhefh.nikhef.nl>
 
In article <8912010813.AA04349@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, 01659@AECLCR.BITNET (Greg
 Csullog) writes:
> One netter mentioned problems with UNITERM's Kermit. On our site, which
 
One BAD bug I found in my version 2.0e is the following: if you try to uplod
a file (type kermit -r on my mainframe), then accidentally press [receive]
on the Kermit menu, choose the file you wanted to [send] and your file is gone
to the Eternal Bit Grounds.  Was I glad my editor makes .bak files....
 
If anyone has a 2.0e without this bug please let me know.
 
                Geert Jan van Oldenborgh
 
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