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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu, 30 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 731
 
Today's Topics:
                        A LEGAL Mac emulator!
                           Craft & TOS 1.4
                     INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 #718
                  LaserPrinters and the ST (2 msgs)
                looking for a portable 68K C compiler
                      Monochrome Monitor Wanted
                       Xformer II (or whatever)
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Date: 30 Nov 89 21:25:40 GMT
From: brunix!iris.brown.edu!mjv@uunet.uu.net  (Marshall Vale)
Subject: A LEGAL Mac emulator!
Message-ID: <21924@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <1989Nov30.185438.6755@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>
opielask@clutx.clarkson.edu (Scott K. Opiela,,,2684025) writes:
> (Now the 128k roms, which can only be
> LEGALLY attained from Apple Computer Inc.)
 
When I was searching for the ROMS, I did call an authorized Apple dealer
and
they would sell me ROMs.  This might depend on the dealer though.
 
> (AND the System and Finder software that
> ARE ALSO COPYRIGHTED BY Apple Computer
> Inc. for use exclusively on Macs)
 
 You can go into any Apple dealer and purchase the latest system software
for
around USD$45.
 
> (Apple has a nice little package that includes
> the 128k roms, and the System software,
> PLUS they throw in a Mac Plus for free!
> [minus roms and System software])       Mac Plus package...  $909 (edu.
price)
 
 Not everyone has access to the educational discount.  Also take note that
you get to use the discount ONCE, that's it (you also can't sell it for a
period of time thereafter either.) Also, each university is on a different
price reduction level depending on Mac use. Brown is at the highest level,
but some other college may have to offer it for several hundred more. Since
you would use your one time discount, you'd probably also buy an
Imagewriter
and (/or only if you're a masochist) a hard drive.  Then add that all to
the
cost of the discounted Mac.  I would certainly use my one time discount to
choose a set that I would be able to use for a long time (like one from the
Mac II line but then, that's me).
 
 If Apple really thought that places that sell used HD (and therefore ROMS)
were illegal, I doubt that you would see those places still around. For
example, say a person has a dead Plus that they want to sell.  Joe's Used
Macs buys it and then proceeds to gut the dead Plus and sell its parts.
That's probably still legal, hence we are able to get ROMS.
 
 Don't forget that the Plus has a very short life span left as new apple
product.  It won't be much time before the SE is bottom of the line and
that's around $1400-2000USD with the edu discount! (Add HD and its crazy).
 
 I won't even get into want "constitutes" a Mac. ROMS? Apple logo? Chips?
 
 I hope this makes everyone feel a bit more legit.
 
-- mjv@iris.brown.edu
 
"And, oh! Father Christmas, if you love me at all,
 Bring me a big, red india-rubber ball."
                                   A.A. Milne "Now We are Six"
 
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Date: 30 Nov 89 22:47:41 GMT
From: phoenix!alleyne@princeton.edu  (Brian Derek Alleyne)
Subject: Craft & TOS 1.4
Message-ID: <11842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
 
I tried posting this once from my site already but there seems to be
something wrong with our news program, as I can't read it from this site.
 
NOTE: This message is from depeche@calvin.cs.mcgill.ca; please do not
reply to this address.
 
I just upgraded my 1040ST to tos 1.4. I really like the speedup of the
hard disk but there are a few questions I have about it.
 
1] When I format a disk from the desktop, nomatter what disk or what
drive I am using, I get 'bad disk' errors when it nears track 79 or so.
These disks format and work fine if I use Neodesk,. Anyone else have
simmilar problems?
 
2] I used to use PQ.PRG, a background print buffer by Wayne S.
Arczyinski, but this no longer works on tos 1.4. I sent mail to him
asking about new versions but haven't gotten a reply from him yet. Does
anyone know of a program whic does the same basic thing but also works
on tos 1.4? Spool11.Tos will not do as it is much too slow for my
printer. I need one very urgently!!
 
3] I have a supra 30mb hard disk which at the moment is setup to
autoboot. When I had tos 1.0 and if I wanted to disable autoboot for one
session (i.e. to play games) I held ctrl-alt-lshift and the floppy would
boot instead of the hard disk. This doesn't work on tos 1.4. Does anyone
know how I can remedy this? (At the  moment I have to unplug the DMA
cord whenever I want to boot directly from floppy).
 
any and all help would be appreciated, and my sincere apologies if my
previous messages did get posted to your site and this is the third
time you are seeing them, but I want to make sure...
 
         -S. Alan Ezust     depeche@calvin.cs.mcgill.ca
       McGill University Dept of Computer Science.
 
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 89 19:39:13 EST
From: mb <MBERNAR%ERENJ.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 #718
 
Rich Covert asks for suggestions on how to increase their club membership.
Here's my 2 cent suggestion.  Since you seem to have a good relationship with
your dealer(s), why not convince them to give you a list of costumers who have
bought ST or ST software from them.  Send these guys a flyer about your club
and why they should join. This is the cheapest approach with the highest chance
of success.
 
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Date: 30 Nov 89 21:21:36 GMT
From: haven!uvaarpa!hudson!bessel.acc.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@purdue.edu  (Greg
 Lindahl)
Subject: LaserPrinters and the ST
Message-ID: <2368@hudson.acc.virginia.edu>
 
In article <4725e878.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
 
> The [Panasonic] 4450 [laser printer] is 11 ppm, which is faster
>than the slm804.
 
Of course, this is just the physical speed. In applications where you are
sending full-page graphics to the laser printer, the SLM804 will win hands
down because of high transfer rate between the ST and the printer.
 
Just like CPUs, you have to benchmark the printers printing the kind of
stuff you print before you know their relative speeds.
 
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Greg Lindahl                                       Astrophysicists for Choice
 
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Date: 30 Nov 89 23:33:26 GMT
From: unmvax!ogccse!blake!ramsiri@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Enartloc Nhoj)
Subject: LaserPrinters and the ST
Message-ID: <4701@blake.acs.washington.edu>
 
In article <2368@hudson.acc.virginia.edu> gl8f@bessel.acc.Virginia.EDU (Greg
 Lindahl) writes:
>In article <4725e878.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>
>> The [Panasonic] 4450 [laser printer] is 11 ppm, which is faster
>>than the slm804.
>
>Of course, this is just the physical speed. In applications where you are
>sending full-page graphics to the laser printer, the SLM804 will win hands
>down because of high transfer rate between the ST and the printer.
>
>Just like CPUs, you have to benchmark the printers printing the kind of
>stuff you print before you know their relative speeds.
>
>------
>Greg Lindahl                                       Astrophysicists for Choice
 
 
I am glad this discussion has surfaced.
 
I just printed out a short score - 3 parts/148 measures - on my
dealer's slm804.  Took about 7 minutes - 7 pages.  The same score
takes 45+ minutes on my Epson LQ-800 .  I am deliberating over getting
the ATARI.. or the Panasonic 4450.  Unfortunately, i have yet to
see NOTATOR's performance on the Panasonic.  If what Greg is saying
is true... the ATARI, for my purposes, would be better.. as most of
my printing time is consumed by graphics.  However, the Panasonic
seems to be a "better" system.  Wish i could have both!
 
AN advantage to buying the Panasonic is that it may be used with
lots of other systems.... if one ever decides ST's no longer
cut it.
 
Has anybody out there seen/used NOTATOR with the 4450?
 
Incidentally, i had a lengthy discussion with the rep from
NOTATOR today.  Great guy.. lots of information about
NOTATOR's future... Particularly relating to the TT.  C-LAB has
had 2 TT's on order for over 10 months.  THey are now told
it will only be 30-60 days before they get one.  Now if
developers don't even have the TT yet (and mind you, C-LAB
is out of GERMANY!) we'll all be out of breath before the
general public ever sees one.
 
 
Oh yeah.. there are rumours that NOTATOR is being ported
to the MAC.  Ain't so.
 
-kevin
ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu
 
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Date: 30 Nov 89 22:19:18 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!db.toronto.edu!jonah@tut.cis.ohio-state.e
 du  (Jeffrey Lee)
Subject: looking for a portable 68K C compiler
Message-ID: <1989Nov30.171918.15050@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
 
I'm looking for source to a portable C compiler.  My (current) target
system is an Atari ST (mc68000), but I am planning to look at operating
systems and languages to the extent that I *must* have the source code
for the compiler and it should be portable enough so that I can make it
run under new environments that I develop.  Pointers to FTP sites are
acceptable.
--
Jeff Lee  jonah@cs.toronto.edu jonah@ai.toronto.edu jonah@cs.utoronto.ca
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 00:39:06 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!psurge@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Troy Carpenter)
Subject: Monochrome Monitor Wanted
Message-ID: <7263@cs.utexas.edu>
 
If anyone out there has a monchome monitor that they would like to sell,
please send me mail and let me know.  I am looking for a monochome monitor
to use with some programs that don't take too kindly to the various
monochrome emulation programs.
 
Troy Carpenter
Computer Sciences, THE University of Texas, Austin
psurge@cs.utexas.edu
 
Disclaimer: Why?
 
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 00:45:37 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!psurge@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Troy Carpenter)
Subject: Xformer II (or whatever)
Message-ID: <7264@cs.utexas.edu>
 
I have a few questions about Xformer:
 
  1.  What is the current version
  2.  What systems does it support now (ie.8bit,c64 appleII)
  3.  Just how fast is it now?
  4.  How easy is it to get the .SD files over now?
  5.  Where do I get a copy of the latest version?
 
I Thank you in advance for your information.
 
Troy Carpenter
Computer Sciences, THE University of Texas, Austin
psurge@cs.utexas.edu
 
Disclaimer: Why?
 
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