INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Tue,  7 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 615
 
Today's Topics:
                 >RE> Atrocious Atari Dealer (Zephyr
                           Atari Benchmarks
                    Concatenation of multiple TSRs
                     Degas ==> Typesetter Elite?
                       Fractal Magic explained
                           GIF ===> Degas?
                           MODULA 2 DOCS...
                        Prolog 10, Common LISP
             source of diskhandler wanted (e.g. ramdisk)
                   SURVEY!!! Europe/UK Replies !!!
                                  TT
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Date: 6 Nov 89 13:57:00 GMT
From: inmet!hedger@uunet.uu.net
Subject: >RE> Atrocious Atari Dealer (Zephyr
 
I also would not have paid the guy the 'consultant' fee. Fuck him!
You never agreed to pay for consultant services and you never received
consultant services......you received a demonstration of products by
a salesman. Period.
 
As the previous responder suggested, I would have my credit card company
refuse to honor any charges but the ones for software and hardware.
 
You're not obligated to pay for services that were never asked for or
rendered. Make it his problem, not yours.
 
 
 
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Date: 6 Nov 89 15:35:06 GMT
From: attcan!utgpu!watmath!watcgl!electro!ignac@uunet.uu.net  (Ignac Kolenko)
Subject: Atari Benchmarks
 
In article <891102220825.414779@DMZRZU71-UNI-MAINZ--GERMANY>
 Ritzert@DMZRZU71.BITNET writes:
>
>BTW: In my opinion, 30$ shareware fee for a simple benchmark program
>like quikdex is quite expensive.  The authors should think of putting
>this program into the PD as ICD did with ratehd.  (Only for comparison
>--- in Germany you have to pay the equivalent to 30$ for the ultra fast
>shareware TeX!  The Author translated this TeX manually from Pascal to
>Turbo C.)
 
 
 
 
if people would read the accompanying docs carefully (not just looking at
the price) you would see that the $30 shareware fee is for ALL seven quick
utilities, including Quick ST. compare that with the approximately $50 for
that other gem accelerator T---- ST. it's up to you folks. you make the
decision. but please, look and READ the docs before you make a statement
like the above on a public network.
 
 
 
--
=====Ignac A. Kolenko (The Ig)           watmath!watcgl!electro!ignac=====
     co-author of QuickST, and the entire line of Quick Shareware!!!!
       "I don't care if I don't win, 'cause I don't care if I fail"
             from 'Youth Of Today' by SUBURBAN DISTORTION
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 10:41:34 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.
edu!glk01126@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Concatenation of multiple TSRs
 
        Does anyone see a problem with the following program concept:
 
        Take a list of .TOS files (.PRG in auto\)...
        Create one file with the following:
                (pseudo code)
                JSR program1
                JSR program2
                ...
                RTS
        Pack the @#%$#er
 
        In order to create a small TSR that does all of my 11 TSRs?
 
        -G.M.L-K
 
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 89 23:39:36 MST
From: ehsnsr@jupiter.nmt.edu (Eric Hobbs)
Subject: Degas ==> Typesetter Elite?
 
Oh No! It's me again!
 
      Whenever I try to load an uncompressed (32066) byte Degas .PI3 picture
into Typesetter Elite, it always gets cut in two and each half is printed on
the wrong side. Is there a way around this? I hate using the drag function
because it is limited and it is a pain in the ash. :-) Help!!!!
 
                                        Thanks!
 
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"No Dumb Signatures down here!"        Eric Hobbs ehsnsr@jupiter.nmt.edu
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Date: Mon,  6 Nov 89  22:42:46 EDT
From: BAILEYS%FSU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Fractal Magic explained
 
Scott Le Grand writes:
>Hi, what exactly IS Fractal Magic
 
Well, Fractal Magic is a program that generates color fractal pictures.  I
have seen it running on a Mac II (I think), and the pictures are magnificent.
Fractals are, very roughly, mathmatical models of chaotic behavior.  Taking
the initial set of one particular kind of fractal, the Mandelbrot set, one
would see a symmetrical thingy that looks kind of like three circles.  The
internal edges of the figure are very colorful, and kind of fuzzy looking.
When one selects a small area of this fringe to reevaluate, the resulting
picture would be essentially a blowup of the first, but the edges of this
picture would be even more colorful and complex.  Also, one might find tiny
copies of the initial set amongst all this confusion.  The basic property
of this type of fractal is that one may reevaluate sections of it infinitely
many times, and yield infinite variations.  That is, the edges of the figure
are defined with infinite resolution, but no matter how many times you blow
it up, you can still find small copies of the first set.  This is probably
a very bad description of this phenomena, but for a better one, I would
heartily suggest getting the binary called MANDEL from panarthea.  It c
is the fastest Mandelbrot generator I have ever seen (these types of programs
can sometimes take hours to evaluate a section).  In addition to the program
itself, the author has included a small doc file on the mathmatical formuli
he implemented.  If you are into assembly, the source code is available
from the same place (panarthea).
 
The full address of panarthea is:  archive-server%panarthea@sun.com
on the UN*X box I use.  Bitnet address may be different.
 
Bob Marley
 
 
FSU Comp Sci
 
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 89 21:27:04 MST
From: ehsnsr@jupiter.nmt.edu (Eric Hobbs)
Subject: GIF ===> Degas?
 
Yo Netters! I need your help,
 
       Does anyone know of a PD/SW program that will convert GIF pictures to
Degas? If so, drop me an e-mail line. If there is no program to do this, is
there a TOS screen save utility that will do the same thing?
 
                                          Thanks!
                                         E r i c  H o b b s
 
ehsnsr@jupiter.nmt.edu   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 10:41:14 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!glk011
26@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: MODULA 2 DOCS...
 
        Anyone have any electronic docs on the Modula 2 language or
        the import from ETH/Muenchen?
 
        Thanks in advance...
                                Gregory Mathias Lemperle-Kerr
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 10:40:55 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.
cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!glk01126@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Prolog 10, Common LISP
 
        Ja, ich verstehe, obwohl es beschissenes Deutsch ist, u.
        Si, yo comprendo su Espanol.
 
        What's wrong with languages?  Some people put C instead
        of Basic or Assembly examples up here...
 
        -Spieu!
 
        Da, ya toje gavaryu paruski...
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 08:35:44 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!tnoibbc!remco@uunet.uu.net  (Remco Bruyne)
Subject: source of diskhandler wanted (e.g. ramdisk)
 
hello,
 
I would like to do some experimenting with diskhandlers on the ST.
Does anybody have C-source of a ramdisk or real diskhandler ?
(Which he/she wants to send me, of course...)
 
Thanks in advance, Remco
 
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Date: 6 Nov 89 13:35:58 GMT
From: attcan!utgpu!watmath!maytag!water!ljdickey@uunet.uu.net  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: SURVEY!!! Europe/UK Replies !!!
 
In article <1683@cuphub.cup.edu> kar7481@cuphub.cup.edu (Dan Karbowsky) writes:
 
>  ....   You MIGHT wish to PRINT THIS OUT before reading it!!!
>(after all, it IS 910-lines long!)
 
This is all the more reason NOT to print it.
 
The author of this survey might have provided a service by extracting
and collating the information that he said that he was collecting.
I think there were only 10 distinct respondents, so 30 lines might have
done it.
 
As it is, this posting looks like a dis-service.
 
--
    L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
        ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca     ljdickey@water.BITNET
        ljdickey@water.UUCP             ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey
        ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
 
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Date: 7 Nov 89 11:59:21 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!tut!hydra!hylka!jalkio@uunet.uu.net  (Jouni Alkio, University
 of Helsinki, Finland)
Subject: TT
 
In article <4344@blake.acs.washington.edu>, ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu
 (Enartloc Nhoj) writes:
>
> The TT/x sounds like a great machine.  How many netters are going
> to bypass the TT/P and wait for the TT/x?  Basically, what I am
> saying is, can we really get all that excited about the TT/P?
>
> So it's going to cost more to get better graphics, better RAM,
> more slots etc... but, I am not necessarily looking for a "deal".
> Again, you _sometimes_ get what you pay for. At this point, I
> am willing to PAY for it.
 
I don't really understand why you (and many others) complain about the
TT/P. It's just an option for those who can't pay twice the price for
the TT/X! You could as well complain that the ST is not as good as the
ATW! AND as far as I know, the TT/P has exactly the same graphics
capabilities as the TT/X. You can also add as much RAM to the TT/P as to
the TT/X (again, I think so).
 
                                                Jouni Alkio
 
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