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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Wed, 18 Apr 90       Volume 90 : Issue  457
 
Today's Topics:
                Bug in CSD, no help from MWC (2 msgs)
                   C compilers & small machines...
                        Omega for ST? (2 msgs)
                            Phantom Typist
        Proposed change to names of sources/binaries postings
                        Quick ST demo problems
              Re~2: Severe Dcreate() bug in GEMDOS 0.23
                            shareware fees
                         SPECTRE GCR GOODIES
                           SupraModem 2400
                             TOS 1.4 info
                               UUDecode
        Zoo output to file (Was: Re: EPROM programmer wanted.)
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Date: 18 Apr 90 04:35:53 GMT
From: mailrus!accuvax.nwu.edu!nims@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Chris Nims)
Subject: Bug in CSD, no help from MWC
Message-ID: <6479@accuvax.nwu.edu>
 
About two weeks ago, I purchased Mark Williams C, and the C source
debugger.  I am very pleased with the compiler.  I have unfortunately
found a bug in the debugger.  It does not correctly display negative
integers.  Insead, it treats them as unsigned ints. (e.g. -10 is
displayed as 65526.)  Althought this isn't too diffcult to work
around, it is a bit annoying.  So I resolved to call Mark Williams Co.
this morning, and I must admit that I'm not too thrilled to report my
findings.  The gentleman I spoke to was very quick to point out that
since Ataris aren't selling, they are not doing any further ST
development and since they are "in this for the money," they aren't
planning any more ST development.  Basically, he was telling me that
I'm out of luck, there aren't and probably won't be any future version
of the CSD even to correct bugs.  I must admit that I feel they should
at least support this product to the point that it lives up to it's
claims in the advertisements.  Don't get me wrong, for $35 this is a
good tool, I just wish I could expect the bugs to be worked out.
 
 
Chris Nims
Academic Computing & Networking
Northwestern University
 
nims@acns.nwu.edu
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 06:04:13 GMT
From: sdcc6!sdcc4!zz1jm@ucsd.edu  (Jon McCarty-zebra)
Subject: Bug in CSD, no help from MWC
Message-ID: <9782@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>
 
In article <6479@accuvax.nwu.edu> nims@accuvax.nwu.edu (Chris Nims) writes:
[...recount of calling Mark Williams about a bug in their CSD...]
>findings.  The gentleman I spoke to was very quick to point out that
>since Ataris aren't selling, they are not doing any further ST
>development and since they are "in this for the money," they aren't
>planning any more ST development.  Basically, he was telling me that
 
Yikes!  And this from the maker of the Atari-Developer-Reccomended
C compiler!  This is really spooky.  If Mark Williams is not doing
any further development or bug fixes on thier Atari products then
one should DEFINATELY look into other vendor's products.  NASTY
RUMOR ALERT:  Did I hear somewhere that Laser C ANSI is under
development?  I thought I did... (was it here?  <blush>)
 
For the record, I also looked around and decided to buy a Z-RAM
memory board & chips for a 2.5 meg 1040.  The board was a dream to
install--though I don't get simms.  GNU C is great.  Tho I
haven't gotten it to link with the -g flag for the debugger yet.
 
>
>Chris Nims
>Academic Computing & Networking
>Northwestern University
>
>nims@acns.nwu.edu
 
Jon McCarty
internet: jmccarty@ucsd.edu
bitnet: jmccarty@ucsd
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 05:04:13 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.e
 du!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: C compilers & small machines...
Message-ID: <9004180502.AA14197@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <1990Apr17.212421.8049@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, schultzd@frith.msu.edu
 (David Schultz) writes:
><THis is all from memory, please excuse mistakes!>
>A couple days ago, Mickey Boyd suggested to someone that they upgrade
>a 512K machine to at least 1meg to take advantage of C compilers like
>Sozobon or GNU.  This is a great idea, but some of us want to write C now
>even though we have only 512K and can't afford memory yet.
>
 
The advise was given because that person discussed his intent to purchase
Laser C.  For about the same amount of money, one could buy (and perhaps
partially populate) a memory upgrade board.  I am pleased to learn that
Sozobon C can be used on a 520, thanks for the info.
 
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>David W. Schultz       |                               |
>312 N. Case Hall       | schultzd@cpsin.cps.msu.edu    |   M
>Michigan State Univ.   | schultzd@frith.egr.msu.edu    |     S
 
 
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              Mickey Boyd            |    "Nobody can be exactly like me.
          FSU Computer Science       |      Even I have trouble doing it."
        Technical Support Group      |
      mail:  boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu   |              - Tallulah Bankhead
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Date: 18 Apr 90 04:32:06 GMT
From: haven!aplcen!jhunix!ins_bac@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Ajay Choudhri)
Subject: Omega for ST?
Message-ID: <4976@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>
 
In article <922@ruunsa.fys.ruu.nl> muts@fysae.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes:
>
>I would like to know if someone has ported the game of omega to the ST.
>If so, I would like to hear from it. I am trying to translate it myself,
>but have some problems.
If you are talking about Omega cybertank, its out, if you mean the unix
game, I dunno,
>
>Peter Mutsaers         (nmutsaer@ruunsa.fys.ruu.nl)
 
sig file?? whats a sig file??
 -Ajay CHoudhri
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 05:43:59 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!tut!tukki!suhonen@tut.cis.ohio-state.
 edu  (Timo Suhonen)
Subject: Omega for ST?
Message-ID: <4206@tukki.jyu.fi>
 
In article <922@ruunsa.fys.ruu.nl> muts@fysae.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes:
>
>I would like to know if someone has ported the game of omega to the ST.
 
I would also like to know about ST-omega!!!!!
 
 
 
--
Timo Suhonen                                           suhonen@tukki.jyu.fi
                     I logged in, therefor I am
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 09:40:45 GMT
From: maytag!water!ljdickey@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: Phantom Typist
Message-ID: <1990Apr18.094045.23360@water.waterloo.edu>
 
Someone writes:
|>Anybody come to any conclusions on this thing?  Or is the general consensus
|>that this is a dead issue?
 
The phantom typist is still around.  He snuck into my Mega ST 2
system the other day.  Warm boot sent him reeling.
 
Has anyone else noticed that it is only *users* who are writing
about this?  I would guess that this is not something that was
fixed in Rainbow TOS.
 
 
 
--
    Leroy J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
        ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
        ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca     ljdickey@water.bitnet
        ljdickey@water.UUCP             ..!uunet!watmath!ljdickey
 
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 14:18:44 +0100
From: Dave Hines <vj%cxa.daresbury.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK>
Subject: Proposed change to names of sources/binaries postings
Message-ID: <12406.9004181318@cxa.daresbury.ac.uk>
 
If it's script posting time...  I read all my mail using GNU EMACS in its
RMAIL mode. Here is what I've put in for extracting uue encoded things. It
puts them in the directory specified by the variable usenet-archive-root.
Once all the parts have been extracted, I run uud on the first one, and it
then find all the continuations itself - providing the filenames are correct.
To get the correct filenames, they are made from the names in the begin line
of the uue(ncode) stuff - the proposed name changes don't do anything to this,
but may have made writing it a little easier had they been done before. If
anyone is interested I can also mail them a copy of the undigest code for GNU
EMACS - I didn't write that one, but use it all the time.
 
I think that if I had to vote on the name change, I'd say yes, change them.
By the way, thanks to Steven Grimm for all the work he puts into this.
 
Enjoy,
 
        Dave Hines.
 
JANET:       D.Hines@uk.ac.daresbury
EARN/BITNET: D.Hines%daresbury.ac.uk@UKACRL
UUCP:        D.Hines%daresbury.ac.uk@ukc.uucp
Ean:         D.Hines%daresbury.ac.uk@ean-relay.ac.uk
Internet:    D.Hines%daresbury.ac.uk or D.Hines%daresbury@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
 
 
 
(setq usenet-archive-root (expand-file-name "?/usenet/"))
 
(setq rmail-mode-hook
      '(lambda ()
         (local-set-key "y" 'rmail-yank-usenet-file)))
 
(defun rmail-yank-usenet-file ()
  "Extracts a copy of the current message into a uue file whose name is
made from the file name given on the begin line of the uu-coded data,
tacked on to the end of the variable usenet-archive-root"
  (interactive)
  (if (string= mode-name "RMAIL")
      (save-excursion
        (goto-char (point-min))
 
        (if (re-search-forward
             "~begin \\(.* \\)*\\([~ ]+\\.\\)\\([a-zA-Z0-9]+\\)$" (point-max) t)
 
            (let ((name (buffer-substring (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))
                  (ext  (buffer-substring (match-beginning 3) (match-end 3))))
 
              (if (not (string-match "~u[a-z][a-z]" ext))
                  (setq ext "uaa"))
 
              (write-region (point-min) (point-max)
                            (concat usenet-archive-root name ext) t nil)
 
              (goto-char (point-min))
              (if (and (string= ext "uaa")
                       (re-search-forward "~Subject:[ ~I]+\\(.*\\)$" (point-max) t))
                  (write-region (match-beginning 1) (1+ (match-end 1))
                                (concat usenet-archive-root "Subject") t 1))
 
              (rmail-delete-forward))
 
          (beep) (message "Can't find uu-code begin line with file name")))
 
    (beep) (message "Must be in an RMAIL buffer to extract a uu-coded message
 !")))
 
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 02:16:06 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!news
 -server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watcgl!electro!ignac@tut.cis.ohio-state
 .edu  (Ignac Kolenko)
Subject: Quick ST demo problems
Message-ID: <1621@electro.UUCP>
 
In article <9004151651.AA12525@lash.utcs.utoronto.ca> clark@mshri.utoronto.ca
 writes:
>
>       I have the demo version of Quick ST 1.8 and am having problems with
[brikabrak deleted]
>At the recent Toronto Atrai Confederation show I spoke to someone at the
>Branch Always booth (the people who make Quick ST) describing this problem
>that I had had with an earlier version of their then shareware demo. He
>assured me that the problem of dropping decoy cursors had been fixed. It
>just makes me wonder...
 
 
if you really listened to us at the show, you would have heard us repeatedly
tell customers that the current demo version is 2.0, NOT 1.8. The cursor
problem is fixed in 2.0 (or at least no one has reported a cursor bug
problem for the last couple of months).
 
keep wondering ...
 
 
--
=====Ignac A. Kolenko (The Ig)=====watmath!watcgl!electro!brasoft!ignac======
     co-author of QuickST, and the entire line of Quick Software!!!!
  Branch Always Software Box 2624, Station B, Kitchener, Ont. CANADA N2H 6N2
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Date: 17 Apr 90 20:42:39 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!tub!tubopal!al
 deraan@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Thomas Cervera)
Subject: Re~2: Severe Dcreate() bug in GEMDOS 0.23
Message-ID: <1381@siena.tubopal.UUCP>
 
apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes:
 
>alderaan@tubopal.UUCP (Thomas Cervera) writes:
>>[my stuff]
 
>I can't make this happen.
 
>       #include <osbind.h>
>       main()
>       ?
>               int fd;
>               long err;
 
>               fd = Fcreate("silly",0);
>               Fclose(fd);
>               err = Dcreate("silly");
>               printf("err is %ld\n",err);
>               exit(0);
>       ?
 
>prints "err is -36" (EACCDN, access denied).  I'm using TOS 1.4's GEMDOS.
 
  Uhm. Maybe your C library does the Fsfirst ? On MY machine, I could make this
happen with a clean floppy disk (no HD boot, no ACCs, no Auto folder) and a CLI
on it. I've got the german TOS chip set, is there a difference ?
 
  For those who discover the same problem I have, please could you put your two
cents in ? The patch, however, is running already and solving the problem on
my ST. If there is a need, I'll post it.
 
-thomas
 
 
--
Thomas Cervera         | UUCP:   alderaan@tubopal.UUCP
SysMan RKOFBI (PDP/VAX)|         ...!unido!tub!opal!alderaan (Europe)
D-1000 Berlin 30       |         ...!pyramid!tub!opal!alderaan (World)
Motzstrasze 14         | BITNET: alderaan%tubopal@DB0TUI11.BITNET (saves $$$)
 
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 09:33:33 MET
From: "Michel J. Anders" <U635007%HNYKUN11.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: shareware fees
 
I'm thinking of releasing a chess program but I'm in doubt whether to
release it as Public Domain or as Shareware. Reasons for these doubts are
that I've no idea what to expect from the response to shareware programs
ie. what (if any) the revenues will be. I think it will depend on the
amount charged and since I don't intend to charge more than say fl.15,-
(15DM / 8$) (I've seen fees as high as 60DM/ 30$ ! but hey, I don't want
to make a living out of it) I might release it as PD when responses are
low. So here's the question:
 
-) do any of you people have experience with releasing shareware ?
-) what's the response?
-) how much did you ask for and how much did get? (If you're afraid the
people of the income tax are listening in you might leave out the currency
unit (if asked, you might claim it were italian lires... :-)))
 
Thanks in advance, M.
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 04:56:07 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.e
 du!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: SPECTRE GCR GOODIES
Message-ID: <9004180453.AA14109@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <11734@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu>, hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu)
 writes:
>
>Look for Mouse-ka-mania, written by Charles Johnson. It's on terminator
>in unindexed/mouseka.arc. Comes with a bunch of animation files already
>drawn, plus you can create your own at any time. I grabbed a sequence that
>does a spinning globe, it's kinda fun.
>
>Gee, I guess wishes come true after all, eh?
>--
>  -- Howard Chu @ University of Michigan
 
Is there a program (perhaps of then AUTO folder variety) that can autoload
one of the alternate mouse pointers at bootup?  I have Mouse-Ka-Mania, but
was disappointed that it seems to only be a stand alone type of thing.  If
one could alter the standard desktop mouse easily, that would be most cool.
 
--
 
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              Mickey Boyd            |    "Nobody can be exactly like me.
          FSU Computer Science       |      Even I have trouble doing it."
        Technical Support Group      |
      mail:  boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu   |              - Tallulah Bankhead
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 09:29:04 EDT
From: Bob Stewart <stewart@xyplex.com>
Subject: SupraModem 2400
Message-ID: <9004181629.AA03780@xap>
 
I've gotten lots of input on my question about C, floppies, and modems.  I'll
summarize it in a few more days.
 
Amid considerable praise for the Supra modem (including quotes in their ad in
the May STart), one voice was very unhappy for what sounded like legitimate
reasons.  Can anyone comment on these problems?
 
    1.  Bad line noise recovery, loses sync with remote modem and has trouble
        regaining it.
 
    2.  /A command to redial forgets phone number when connection succeeds, so
        you can't redial after a disconnect.
 
Thanks,
 
        Bob
 
-----------
Bob Stewart (rlstewart@eng.xyplex.com)
Xyplex, Boxborough, Massachusetts
(508) 264-9900
 
 
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Date: 17 Apr 90 20:59:59 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: TOS 1.4 info
Message-ID: <1629@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <2988@rodan.acs.syr.edu>, jfbruno@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John F. Bruno)
 writes:
> In article <596@opus.NMSU.EDU> jficklin@nmsu.edu (Jim Ficklin) writes:
>  >
>  >Here is a brief summary of "Rainbow" TOS 1.4 features:
>  >  [ Some features deleted ]
>  >3.  MOVE FILES -- You can now MOVE as well as COPY files.  To do a MOVE,
>  >    first mark files just as you would for a COPY.  Then hold down
>  >    [CONTROL] key while you drag the files to the destination.  TOS
>  >    1.4 will first copy the files to the destination, then delete them
>  >    from the source -- all in one operation.
>
> Don't tell me they screwed up again!!! What if I have a volume with
> 10K free and I want to move a 20K file into a folder?!?! Doesn't it just
> modify the directory entries instead of actually copying the folders?
> Seems kind'a silly to require a disk to have (2x)K free just to move a
> file that is (x)K bytes long, right?
>
I think Atari did it correctly.
For moves between logical disks, copy && remove is required.
For the degenerate case of rename, there is still the problem of a failure
during the operation with the file being lost.  So copy && remove is
still the safest course.
 
For your limited case of trying to rename on a full disk you are better
off doing your own rename; leaving the move operation to be generally
safer and simpler.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 18 Apr 90 05:10:08 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.e
 du!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: UUDecode
Message-ID: <9004180507.AA14277@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <2927@gos.ukc.ac.uk>, anw1@ukc.ac.uk (A.N.Walkeden) writes:
>
>I dont know if I am missing something obvious here,but....
>
>I have found a piece of PD software I would like, and have FTP'd it to
>my machine, where I find it is over 700KBytes in size.
>
>Now when I UUDecode this file it produces another output file of similar
>magnitude, thus there is not enough room for it on a 3.5" disk.
>
>Is there any way around this problem, can you hack the file into pieces
>and then somehow rejoin them later, or is the only solution to get a hard
>drive?
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
 
What is the name of the file?  I have never come across that problem, but
one possible solution (temporary) would be to arc the file on the host
machine, and then run it from arc on your ST.  I have heard this is
possible, but I have never done it.
 
>
>               Adrian
>--
>"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the
> shoulder of Orion, I watched C beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser
 gate. All these, memories will be lost in time; like tears in rain."
>"Time to die."
 
Ah, Blade Runner, the best of flicks.
 
--
 
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              Mickey Boyd            |    "Nobody can be exactly like me.
          FSU Computer Science       |      Even I have trouble doing it."
        Technical Support Group      |
      mail:  boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu   |              - Tallulah Bankhead
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Date: 18 Apr 90 04:13:51 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!buggs@uunet.uu.net  (William Edward JuneJr)
Subject: Zoo output to file (Was: Re: EPROM programmer wanted.)
Message-ID: <29061@cup.portal.com>
 
>You can use io redirection, e. g. "zoo l foo.zoo >bar" writes the table
>of contents of foo.zoo to the file bar.
 
I'll have remember that, thanks!
 
>If your shell (or the GEM desktop) does not handle io redirection
>correctly (I think Gulam doesn't) use Arcgsh to get the listing. It works.
 
I have MT C Shell, wonder if it'll do it.
Does Arcgsh allow print out of listings? I used to have that somewhere.....
 
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