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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon,  4 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue 747
 
Today's Topics:
                     Comm software for Portfolio
                        Floppy Drive Problems?
                            Form (2 msgs)
                          FORM, nice but...
                          missing FORM 8/17
                      Music Composition Program
                       Other laser printers????
                         Placement of TOS 1.4
                 Slight change to panarthea archiving
                   Spectre and other Mac emulators
                            Vapourware!!!
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Date: 4 Dec 89 13:58:29 GMT
From: rochester!kodak!hysell@bbn.com  (John Hysell)
Subject: Comm software for Portfolio
Message-ID: <2222@kodak.UUCP>
 
Well, the Portfolio arrived, and the ROM-based tools seem to work well.
What I need now is some simple communication tool to access systems over
a standard modem.  I have tried several versions of KERMIT, and old line
mode terminal software (like PC-talk), but cannot get any of them to drive
the modem properly.  The best I have achieved to date is to activate the
Terminal Ready LED and get the SEND DATA LED to blink when I hit keys on
the Portfolio.
   Has anyone found Comm software that will work?
-John Hysell
      .--------------------------------------------.
      | ARPA    hysell@kodak.com                   |
      | UUCP    ...rutgers!rochester!kodak!hysell  |
      |         hysell@kodak.uucp                  |
      `--------------------------------------------'
:w
 
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Date: 3 Dec 89 11:25:13 GMT
From: nis!pwcs!stag!daemon@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU  (Kent Schumacher)
Subject: Floppy Drive Problems?
Message-ID: <1989Dec3.112513.6005@stag.UUCP>
 
[Mark@sersun2.essex.ac.uk        (Foster M) writes...]
> Greetings Programs,
>
(*blush*, I've never been called a program before...)
>
> [... some intro and background deleted ...]
>
> The problem is this, if I boot from my usual boot disk, which brings up
> my usual GEM environment, the system refuses to see drive B. It will
> format drive B, and you can open it, but all you see is `0 bytes in 0
> items' irrespective of what's on the drive. Also if you try and copy a
> file from A to B a dialogue box pops up with, `This application cannot
> find the file or folder you just tried to access.'
>
> Booting with a different disk appears to cure the problem, but, if I run
> Quikdex, drive B is only operating at 49% of what it should, normally I
> would expect to see 97%. (Drive A is behaving perfectly during all this
> BTW.) The other devation is the DMA test, which says B is operating at
> 197%, against the norm of 98%.
>
> [... standard request for help hacked away ...]
>
> Mark Foster.
 
This is kind of a simplistic solution, but...
 
Most 5-1/4" floppy drives need their seek rate set to 6ms.  This is done
(usually) with an auto-file program.  Is it possible that your normal boot
disk is missing the seek-rate setting program?
 
 
 
  - Kent Schumacher               It's...
    ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP
    GEnie: K.SCHUMACHE1
 
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Date: 4 Dec 89 12:54:57 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!tut!tukki!suhonen@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Timo Suhonen)
Subject: FORM
Message-ID: <2255@tukki.jyu.fi>
 
In article <8912040805.AA20241@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> EDGINGTC@Wabash.BITNET
 writes:
>Where are people getting these binaries from?  Can I get
>these files from bitnet?  Are they at PANARTHEA?
 
Yes, they are at Panarthea....
 
Those of you, who can ftp, can find binaries from nikhefh.nikhef.nl
 
 
Timo
 
--
Timo Suhonen                                           suhonen@tukki.jyu.fi
                     I logged in, therefor I am
 
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Date: 4 Dec 89 09:40:10 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!tadhg!chris@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
 (Chris Forker - Nav Arch-)
Subject: Form
Message-ID: <1989Dec4.094010.12495@newcastle.ac.uk>
 
My site did not receive part06 of Form. Would someone please mail it
to me if they have it.
 
Thanks in advance
 
Chris....
 
 
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Date: 3 Dec 89 19:19:12 GMT
From: thelake!steve@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU  (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: FORM, nice but...
Message-ID: <1103891319123100@thelake.UUCP>
 
In article <274@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,
     bmaraldo@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes ...
 
> ... the manual lacks
>inclusive speech and inclusive speech is important as we attempt to include
>women in our language (and ultimately as recognized members of society).
 
Demanding that ANY written material be "politically correct" in the mind
of every reader is impossible. And expecting documentation to actively
serve an arbitrary set of external political goals is silly. Docs aren't
political essays, and I surely hope they stay that way.
 
I have a different problem with the Form documentation: TeX. Seriously, is
a 430-kilobyte DVI file an efficient method of distributing docs?
Especially since the number of STs actually running TeX is mighty small.
 
I'm considering tossing the whole Form package into the trashcan rather
than forwarding it to the Minnesota Atari ST user group. Think about it:
Some semi-serious user spends an hour or so downloading and unarchiving
the whole thing, only to discover that he (or she) can't even read the
docs without obtaining several megabytes' worth of TeX crud and a college
education in TeXwizardry. I'm not flaming anybody, just pointing out a
practical problem. At some point the pain-in-the-butt factor exceeds the
utility.
 
On a (sort of) related subject, does anybody else find the shar'ed source
code in comp.sources.atari.st to be a constant source of trouble?
 
The shar format doubtless is an excellent solution for Un*x systems, but
for non-Un*x sites, there is just enough variation in the formats to
frustrate any attempts at automated unpacking. One of the TOS-based
shar utilities that I use here has a bug that makes it double lines.
Another can't handle shell archives that do not have a strippable
character (usually X) prepended to each line.
 
I almost always wind up having to repair the sharred sources or the
resulting files with a text editor, and often it's easier just to split up
the shell archive manually with MicroEMACS. Arggh! UUDecoding a .ZOO file
is *so* much simpler.
 
   -- Steve Yelvington, up at the lake in Minnesota
  ... pwcs.StPaul.GOV!stag!thelake!steve             (UUCP)
 
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Date: 4 Dec 89 14:15:57 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun!rcdsdgx@uunet.uu.net  (Dik Groot)
Subject: missing FORM 8/17
Message-ID: <1015@dutrun.UUCP>
 
The system manager of the Dutch backbone (hp4nl) told me that the
following file was not received in any country in Europe. I would be
very glad if the moderator of Comp.binaries.atari.st would repost.
 
<34846@grapevine.uucp>  FORM part 8 of 17  (archive V08i074)
 
Many thanks,   DikGroot,  DelftUofT
 
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? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - disclaimer : I usually lie. ?
Dik Groot,   Delft University of Technology,   Rekencentrum,   DUneT.
Postbox 354, 2600 AJ Delft.  ptt: (31)-15-781938  fax: (31)-15-786522
RCDSDGX@HDETUD1.BITNET                      rcdsdgx@dutrun.tudelft.nl
 
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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 89 15:21:40 MST
From: Timothy Roeder <ROEDERT%ARIZVM1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Music Composition Program
 
I am looking for a good-quality music scoring/composition program for the ST.
The major use for this program would be scoring so that my wife can get good-
quality print-outs of her compositions.  Playback thru the sound-chip and/or
MIDI is entirely optional.
 
I would be most grateful for any replies/recommendations as to good, easy-to-
use software.  PD/Shareware would be great, but commercial is OK too.  <After
all, Christmas IS just around the corner...:-)>
 
To reiterate, quality printed output is an absolute MUST.
 
Please reply via E-mail.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
 
Timothy Roeder
 
ROEDERT@ARIZVM1.BITNET
TROEDER@MIS.ARIZONA.EDU
 
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Date: 3 Dec 89 17:39:46 GMT
From: thelake!steve@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU  (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Other laser printers????
Message-ID: <1103891139463076@thelake.UUCP>
 
(Following a discussion on direct-imaging vs. Postscript and
Hewlett-Packard-style printers. This message, and followups, are
crossposted to comp.text.desktop.)
 
In article <89Dec1.201000est.57415@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>,
     MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson) writes ...
 
>My spouse uses our ST to layout a section of a large-circulation
>Canadian magazine. We use Calamus and a Lino imagesetter for the final
>flats, but for proofs, we use the SLM804. 5 minutes for a page? What a
>joke! Who the hell uses a laser printer and only prints out single pages?
>We can print out a hundred pages in well under a half hour on the SLM804,
>that would take more than an entire business day at 5 min/page.
 
Dave, yours is the first message I've seen from anyone using Calamus with
a real typesetter. I'd like to know a lot more about it, including:
 
* What Linotype model? Price?
 
* Precisely how is the interface configured? I've heard that the ICD (or
  Ditek) folks have rigged some way to bypass the Linotype RIP processor
  and just blast bits from the Mega ST to the typesetter's laser. True?
 
* What memory requirements does this impose? If you're running greater
  than 1200 dpi density on the output device, doesn't that suck RAM in the
  Mega ST?
 
* How fast is it?
 
* How big a page can you manage? A Mega/Linotype setup that could blast
  out tabloid newspaper pages could be a formidable setup.
 
* Doesn't the Lino gag at the thought of Compugraphic fonts? (Just
  kidding.)
 
* Is anybody OEMing this sort of package?
 
* Is there a Linotype plain-paper high-resolution printer that will run on
  such a setup? (One of the big selling points of laser xerographic
  typesetting has been that it can cut the production costs of the average
  U.S. weekly newspaper by $20,000 a year by avoiding silver-based
  phototypesetting paper, according to an informal survey taken by
  the American Newspaper Publishers Association.)
 
   -- Steve Yelvington, up at the lake in Minnesota
  ... pwcs.StPaul.GOV!stag!thelake!steve             (UUCP)
 
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Date: 4 Dec 89 14:24:21 GMT
From: shlump.nac.dec.com!engles.enet.dec.com!powers@decuac.dec.com  (Bill
 Powers)
Subject: Placement of TOS 1.4
Message-ID: <6578@shlump.nac.dec.com>
 
In article <8912030811.AA08915@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,
asqb-sep-a@HUACHUCA-EMH2.ARMY.MIL (ASQB-SEP-A HQ USAISEC) writes:
> I was wondering if anyone can help me with the correct placement of
> the TOS 1.4 chips?
>
> I tried two different iterations:
>
>       A.    L0
>             L1
>             L2
>             H0
>             H1
>             H2
>
>       B.    L0
>             H0
>             L1
>             H1
>             L2
>             H2
>
 
     This problem hit me too, when I received my chips via mail, all I got
was the 6 chips.  Don't pay any attention to the L&H numbers, there are
other numbers on the chip, that read in ascending order.  There are
equivalent numbers on the roms that are already on the 1.0 roms.  You need
to put the new eproms in the same ascending order.  I can't remember
the exact pattern that resulted of the L&H numbers, but was one of the
following on my 1040st.
 
  H2 H1 H0
  L2 L1 L0
 
     or
 
  H0 H1 H2
  L0 L1 L2
 
Bill Powers
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Digital Equipment Corp. - Advanced Service Delivery Systems - Stow MA
The opinions expressed above are my own, not my employers, so there.
TELEPHONE - (508) 496 - 8725
E-MAIL - powers@harpo.enet.dec.com
       - ...!decwrl!harpo!powers
 
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Date: 4 Dec 89 14:13:45 GMT
From: sun-barr!newstop!grapevine!panarthea.ebay.sun.com!koreth@ames.arc.nasa.gov
  (Steven Grimm)
Subject: Slight change to panarthea archiving
Message-ID: <34893@grapevine.uucp>
 
Due to popular demand (actually due to the number of "what's wrong with the
archive?" messages I got while posting form) I've changed my moderating
software so that programs aren't listed in the panarthea archive's index
until they've been completely sent out to the net, and put in the archive.
This should save people some headaches.
 
---
"                                                  !" - Marcel Marceau
Steven Grimm            Moderator, comp.?sources,binaries?.atari.st
sgrimm@sun.com          ...!sun!sgrimm
 
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Date: 4 Dec 89 10:47:40 GMT
From: shlump.nac.dec.com!wldwst.enet.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com  (Ron van Zuylen)
Subject: Spectre and other Mac emulators
Message-ID: <6576@shlump.nac.dec.com>
 
In article <14802@well.UUCP>, dsmall@well.UUCP (David Small) writes numerous
good things about future Spectre enhancements.
 
Hey, Dave... How about switchable Macintosh Plus keyboard emulation?  You're
currently mapping the keypad as normal keys.  I have numerous applications that
demand a real keypad.  And losing those nasty Spectre "hot-keys" keys so we
can do normal Macintosh key-presses like SHIFT-ed arrow keys.
 
I'm really looking forward to the next upgrade.  Keep up the good work.
 
Ron S. van Zuylen              +  rvanzuylen%wldwst.enet@decwrl.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation  +  decwrl!wldwst.enet!rvanzuylen
Cupertino, California USA      +  "I have a VAX 9000 in my cube... really."
 
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Date: 3 Dec 89 11:25:13 GMT
From: nis!pwcs!stag!daemon@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU  (Kent Schumacher)
Subject: Vapourware!!!
Message-ID: <1989Dec3.112513.6008@stag.UUCP>
 
[Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes...]
> [... nothing important deleted (nothing important kept, either) ...]
>
> Yes, I *do* have copies of virtually everything that went on during that
> time, including public messages, conferences and private "nasty-grams"
> from Neil Harris.  No, I don't plan on wasting my time searching them just
> to fill in faulty or selective memories.
>
> Most people did not attend _every_ conference, or read _every_ public
> message.  I did, and I heard enough claims and announcements of the blitter
> upgrade from the "Official" Atari Representative.
>
> BobR
 
*yawn*
 
OK Bob, you've convinced me.
 
Atari is the evil empire on earth.  Neil Harris was their point man
(possibly the devil incarnate?).  It's fortunate that we (that's us,
the forces of Good) were able to seperate Neil from Atari.
 
You've established that your dozens of earlier post's were justified, your
credibility has been proved impeccable.
 
It's a good thing you chose the route of posting repetitive emotional
messages on non-issues followed up by reactionary defensive postings to
establish your current exalted status.  Most people would have chosen the
more common method of posting well-thought out and objective messages on
interesting topics.
 
Please, do reply (directly of course, this is far too good for the general
populace).  I am always prepared to deal with your posts appropriately.
 
 
  - Kent Schumacher               It's...
    ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP
    GEnie: K.SCHUMACHE1
 
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