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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu, 28 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue  867
 
Today's Topics:
                            Best ST games?
                            LDW vs ANALYZE
                     Looking for Wayne G. Nichols
                  Music Composition Program Summary
                          Software for Sale
             USENET -> GEnie uplink now working (2 msgs)
                     USEnet on GEnie...a followup
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Date: 28 Dec 89 09:17:57 GMT
From: limbo!taylor@decwrl.dec.com  (Dave Taylor)
Subject: Best ST games?
Message-ID: <264@limbo.Intuitive.Com>
 
I hate to hash out a discussion that I'm sure has gone on in this
newsgroup for quite a long time, on and off, but I'd like to hear
from some people with their opinions of what the top few games are
for the ST.  I'm interested both in "mindless" video game-types as
well as more "cerebral" strategy games.
 
        Reply via email please!
                                                -- Dave Taylor
Intuitive Systems
Mountain View, California
 
taylor@limbo.intuitive.com    or   ?uunet!??decwrl,apple?!limbo!taylor
 
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Date: 27 Dec 89 21:37:36 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@uunet.uu.net
Subject: LDW vs ANALYZE
Message-ID: <25425@cup.portal.com>
 
I had Analyze for a while and liked some of it but dropped it for the very
same reason I dropped VIP, to slow. LDW is by far the fastest commercial
spreadsheed I have seen for the ST. It loads 123 files and has a program on
disk to convert its saved files to 123 format. I wouldn't call myself a
power user, I don't use Macros at all, but I have used LDW on an almost daily
basis for over a year, with never a problem. The only spreadsheet I like
better is Excell, which I run as a Mac.
 
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Date: 28 Dec 89 03:13:59 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Chris_F_Chiesa@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Looking for Wayne G. Nichols
Message-ID: <25433@cup.portal.com>
 
Wayne, I don't know if you read this group or the 8-bit group; I'm posting to
both.  I'm in Rochester, NY, same as Bob Puff and Chris Freemesser and your
sister Norma!  Norma posted a message on the ACORN BBS to the effect that
you're having some problems obtaining or file-transferring some software.
She didn't know much about what you're trying to do, and the Powers That Be
didn't seem too eager to jump to your support, but I will.  Drop me an e-mail
message at this address (Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com) and tell me what
you're trying to do and what problems you're having.
 
I've done a lot of file-transfer and related manipulations; if I can't
solve this at least I'll learn something new!  :-)
 
Chris Chiesa
 
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 89 08:39:18 MST
From: Timothy Roeder <ROEDERT%ARIZVM1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Music Composition Program Summary
 
To begin, I would like to thank all of those who replied to my original
request about scoring programs for the ST.  To recap, I asked for
recommendations about a good composition program that would produce good
printed output, with sound output optional.
 
By and far, the largest number of replies I received recommended Hybrid
Arts EZ-Score Plus.  The output on 24-pin printers is good, and the program
has the ability to play back through the sound chip or MIDI.  Since this
program can be had for around $100 US, it is probably the one I'm going to
get.
 
Another recommendation was the ScoreST Music DTP program in the Jan. 1990
issue of Start.  Since I receive Start, I tried it out.  It seems to be quite
useful, though it has no playback capability.  However, I have not been able
to get really good printouts from this program, though I'm still working on
modifying the printer driver.  This program is definately the cheapest, though.
 
The other recommendation made was from Take Control in England, and the name of
the program is Music DTP.  It was highly recommended, but seems a bit pricey
for me.
 
That about covers it.  Again, thanks to those who replied!
 
Timothy Roeder
 
Internet: troeder@mis.arizona.edu     Bitnet: roedert@arizvm1.bitnet
 
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Date: 27 Dec 89 14:34:16 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!aplcen!wb3ffv!ka3ovk!lake@tut.cis.ohio-state.
 edu  (Marshall Lake)
Subject: Software for Sale
Message-ID: <1989Dec27.143416.14486@ka3ovk.uucp>
 
ST Software for sale (all items come with original disks and docs of course):
 
Road Runner                    7
Garfield                       7
Better Dead Than Alien         9
Daily Double Horseracing       9
Rogue                          7
Passing Shot                  11
Vampire's Empire               9
Space Station                  7
Little Computer People         7
International Soccer           7
Wargame Construction Set      12
Roadwar 2000                   9
 
 
Marshall Lake
POB 7332
Washington, DC  20044
Tel 703-533-2132
Fax 703-538-4598
uucp: ...?media,teemc,tcsc3b2,ki4pv?!ka3ovk!lake             or
      ...?media,teemc,tcsc3b2,ki4pv?!ka3ovk!irscscm!mlake   (checked more often)
CIS 73717,3174
GEnie MLAKE
 
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Date: 23 Dec 89 06:07:02 GMT
From: nsc!pyramid!infmx!robert@hplabs.hp.com  (Robert Coleman)
Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
Message-ID: <2913@infmx.UUCP>
 
In article <1989Dec21.221719.13364@ns.network.com> logajan@ns.network.com (John
 Logajan) writes:
 
%There is no legal restriction to who may connect to USENET, therefore there
%is no binding vote that can restrict who may so connect.  Further, since
%there is no legal restriction to who may connect to USENET, there can be
%no legally recognized distinction between sites.  Thus site restriction
%messages in notices of copyright are legally meaningless.  Yet further,
%there is no general information flow restriction that can be legally
%enforced for any site or group of sites.
 
        I don't actually care if Genie uses this stuff or not, but you have
sparked my curiousity; is there no legal way I can stop GENIE from
copyrighting MY material if I post it on USENET?
 
Robert C.
 
--
"Helen's the only one who knows what scruples are, and she won't tell us"
John said. "Have we got scruples about it, Helen?"
"Not a trace," Helen affirmed.          -The Reefs of Earth, R.A.Lafferty
 
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Date: 28 Dec 89 15:12:08 GMT
From: thelake!steve@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU  (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
Message-ID: <1128890912086954@thelake.UUCP>
 
In article <2913@infmx.UUCP>,
     robert@infmx.UUCP (Robert Coleman) writes ...
 
>       I don't actually care if Genie uses this stuff or not, but you have
> sparked my curiousity; is there no legal way I can stop GENIE from
> copyrighting MY material if I post it on USENET?
 
Don't panic. You don't lose a thing.
 
A compilation copyright covers only the compilation. It does not remove a
public-domain work from the public domain, nor does it infringe on your
rights as author of a message (whatever that means -- since you're making
public utterances, your rights to control their redistribution are pretty
shaky).
 
An analogy may be helpful.
 
Let's imagine that you and I are both professors at Harvard University. We
get in a loud argument on the steps of the library about the invasion of
Panama.
 
We are so brilliant in our debating that we attract the attention of a
wandering reporter for the New York Times, who takes extensive notes.
 
Later we renew our debate in a Usenet conference. One of the Times'
several computer-literate reporters sees the exchange.
 
Eventually both our spoken and our written words are quoted at length in a
Times story. The Times is protected by copyright and by an army of highly
paid lawyers.
 
There is nothing we can do to prevent the profit-making Times from quoting
us. There is nothing we can do to prevent the Times from claiming a
copyright on the reporter's story. There is nothing we can do to prevent
the Times from selling that story to the client newspapers of the New York
Times News Service, thereby indirectly making even more profit on our
brilliant debate.
 
However, there also is nothing the Times can do that could restrict us
from reusing our brilliant words (perhaps we write books about our
glorious encounter), nor is there anything the Times can do to prevent the
New York Post or the Harvard Crimson from obtaining a transcript of our
debate and publishing it.
 
There *is* something the Times can do if you, I or a third party clips the
Times article and reprints it verbatim without permission, since it owns
the reporter's work.
 
Disclaimer: Although, as an editor, I deal with issues such as these every
day, I am neither lawyer nor judge. Even a lawsuit without validity can be
expensive. Your mileage may vary.
 
--
   Steve Yelvington at the snow-covered lake in Minnesota
   Reliable UUCP path: ... umn-cs.cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
 
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Date: 28 Dec 89 16:51:47 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: USEnet on GEnie...a followup
Message-ID: <23792@brunix.UUCP>
 
Here's an interesting sidenote:
 
I was on GEnie last night, attending the Atari ST RT discussions.
(Every Wednesday night at 10:00 pm EST). I brought up the
USEnet->GEnie transfer topic. Most people didn't know it
existed, and those that did were *glad* that it stopped.
It seems that the USEnet messages were saturating the Atari ST
section. (Too much info, too fast.) People found they
couldn't keep up, even for the few days (hours?) it was operating.
 
This makes sense. When I was administering a UUCP site a year
ago, we'd get about 5 MBytes/week of USEnet articles. comp.sys.atari.st
is one of the more voluminous sections...I wonder if GEnie took
that into account. :) Probably started filling up their disk space.
 
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
 
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