INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Wed, 15 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 654
 
Today's Topics:
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        Atari magazines ( was Re: What's wrong with the AMY? )
                 Blitz! Floppy Backup available (Adv
                        BOB AWAY AND DICK OFF
          Gadgets by Small - Possible new '030 add-on board!
                          General questions
         How to change key bindings under Gulam's ue editor?
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Date: 15 Nov 89 02:54:22 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au!murdu!ucsvc!u8551049@tut
.cis.ohio-state.edu
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Date: 14 Nov 89 21:51:21 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!hubdub!ain1496e@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (David E.
 Sheafer)
Subject: Atari magazines ( was Re: What's wrong with the AMY? )
 
In article <46d59652.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>, rehrauer@apollo.HP.COM (Steve
 Rehrauer) writes:
> In article <23991@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Maybe you're easily satisfied with the three or four Atari magazines that
>>are left in the market...   unfortunately, you've got to cross ANALOG and
>>ST-LOG off your list, since Atari Corp's capricious treatment of the US
>>marketplace has forced ANALOG out of business after many years of trying to
>>support Atari.
>
> I don't think you can really blame Atari for ANALOG's problems.  (I thought
> someone recently said here that they've simply gone to a "one title, mostly
> ST-oriented" magazine.  I don't think they're dead, are they?)  I talked to
> the people at ANALOG several times when they were based out this'a'way a few
> years ago, and they seemed rather, well, disinterested in growing or taking
> any risks at all.
>
> Tom Hudson, who was technical editor at ANALOG for some time, wrote a good
> deal of DEGAS while there (I was told).  I was given the impression that Tom
> had tried to interest ANALOG in promoting DEGAS.  They weren't interested,
> Tom left, and DEGAS quickly went on to become a best-seller for Batteries
> Included (who has since folded, true -- but at the time the ST market looked
> a lot brighter).
>
> The editors at ANALOG also pointed to the START/ANTIC software line with
> great derision, saying that "people have tried to interest us in this sort
> of thing, but ANALOG won't do it" (I suppose because of the questionable
> morality of reviewing your own wares, and I must admit I think START has an
> abysmal record on that score).  Well, laugh -- but I'm sure ANTIC makes
> money doing so, and promotes their magazine with every software sale.  It
> needn't have been handled as badly at ANALOG.
>
> One day they mentioned that Optimized Systems Software was "shopping around
> for a buyer for their ST product-line", and had (they said) "contacted us".
> At the time, Personal Pascal was selling at least middling well.  You guessed
> it -- "not interested".
>
> Who knows -- perhaps they did the prudent thing every time.  I suppose it's
> easy for me to say they should've taken more risks when it wasn't MY $$$
> at stake.  And none of the magazines can do much about the crappy U.S. ST
> market, I know.  But I can't imagine "getting ahead" without taking a few
> gambles.  They were nice people, but they seemed more interested in going
> to Star Trek conventions & talking SF than in the future of their magazine.
> Just my opinion, and based on happenings in the 1986-87 time-frame.  I've no
> idea what ANALOG is doing these days, though I wish them well.  I was sad to
> see them move out of Worcester.
>
>>The point is, magazine publishing is NOT an altruistic profession.. Atari
>>Corp is playing with people's lives and livelihoods with their game playing.
>>Who can afford to support a company like Atari when it becomes a decision
>>between blindly supporting Atari, or eating..?
>
> Well, ANTIC has begun moving into the Amiga market, but I don't see them
> dropping Atari coverage ( don't know whether to :-( or to :-).  ANTIC is
> SOOOOO obscenely gung-ho Atari! that I took everything I read therein with
> large salt-blocks (the kind farmers put out for their cattle) anyway.
> My own favorite U.S. ST magazine (never read any from Europe) was CURRENT
> NOTES; the "newsletter" from a Virginia-based Atari user's group (WAACE?).
> Much more objectivity than START/ANTIC/ANALOG, I thought.  It wasn't easy
> to find around here, though.
>
> I wonder; do people revile T.I. for the failure of the 99/4 to grab the home
> market?  Or Exidy for the Sorcerer?  Or Kodak for the disc-camera?  Someday,
> I'll bet someone does a thesis of market-psychology with the Atari ST as a
> case-study...
>
> --
>>>"Aaiiyeeee!  Death from above!"<< | Steve Rehrauer, rehrauer@apollo.hp.com
>    "Flee, lest we be trod upon!"    | The Apollo Computer Division of H.P.
 
  Just wanted to let you know that Analog/stlog is not going to publish after
the december issue, they have decided to cease publication, it really is to bad
as the new dual format was done nicely
 
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Date: 14 Nov 89 13:37:00 GMT
From: inmet!hedger@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Blitz! Floppy Backup available (Adv
 
Please take the ads somewhere else.......your not supposed to post them
to this net.
 
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 89 01:18:47 EST
From: NEWSTV1%CARLETON.CA@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: BOB AWAY AND DICK OFF
 
  May I respectfully suggest that BobR and Richard Con are
so absolutely right that we just close off this conversation
about whether TTs will never match 386s and whether Apples
are 9 or 10 Mhz faster than STEs, etc.  Bob and dick, youu
are absolutely right, we all admit it, so now please
port all your future messages to the IBM and Mac boards
andyou will be praised to the skies.  Thank you. End
of conversation.
   Now the rest of us who (like me) have had 1040Sts for
three years and found them faster, cheaper, more reliable
and more useful than any other machine including the
Idiot-Brained-Monsters we have to use at work should perhaps
use this forum to help each other with useful information and
hints about how to do even better.
   Her's my contribution-- someone was asking for information
about a database program that used "Make One" and "use one"
instructions.  This is either Base Two, a commercial and very
good GEM-based database that I use and like, or its predecessor,
which I believe was called dbOne.  It was given away along
with
with First Word by Atari in the early days and is not as powerful
as the later, upgraded, Base Two, but base Two uses its files.
I'd recommend using Base Two, but the first one is quite acceptable.
It is quite easy to use-- the Make one Creates the dabatase
fields and forms, the Use one is to insert the data. Manuals
should still be available.  But I'd buy Base Two and be done
with it.
    Word processors:  I have seen ads in a British magazine
for what appears to be an upgraded version of Word Writer, which
is, as you know, written by GST in Britain (same ppl who did
First Word and First Word Plus).  If anyone from Timeworks
is on this system, can they say if Timeworks plans any upgrade
that is similar?  I have WW 2.01 (which is, I think the latest)
and I like it, but would love to have it enhanced to meet
the competition from Word Up or First Word Plus. Anyone hear
any details?
 
They say I am a miser but I do not buy that-- old Slovak proverb
 
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Date: 15 Nov 89 02:51:04 GMT
From: haven!uvaarpa!hudson!astsun9.astro.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@purdue.edu  (Greg
 Lindahl)
Subject: Gadgets by Small - Possible new '030 add-on board!
 
In article <23970@cup.portal.com> Xorg@cup.portal.com
(Peter Ted Szymonik [ quoting dave small ]) writes:
 
[ Dave Small's blurb about this maybe-030 upgrade for the ST... ]
 
> We will also "clock" the 68030 processor at a much higher speed
> than the ST's 68000. The ST runs at 8 mhz (millions instructions /
> second); we'll go for at least 16 Mhz and possibly more.
 
This is wrong. The ST has a clock rate of 8 mhz. But it takes 4 cycles
for the processor to fetch a word from memory, and so memory is really
available only 2 million times a second. Then access is interleaved
between video/refresh and the CPU, so the CPU gets 1 million per second.
Gosh, I don't really remember anymore. Anyway, it isn't 8 million
instructions per second.
 
 
------
Greg Lindahl
gl8f@virginia.edu                                  Astrophysicists for Choice.
 
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Date: 14 Nov 89 16:36:00 GMT
From: inmet!hedger@uunet.uu.net
Subject: General questions
 
I have a few more questions....nothing really hard but your help would be
greatly appreciated:
 
1) Can anyone tell me about desktop.inf ? Can I mess around with it? What
   do all of the numbers in it mean? Is there some documentation somewhere?
 
2) What is GDOS? When does one need it? How does one get it?
 
3) I am thinking of trying to write a program that will constantly display
   a digital time readout on the desktop and update it every minute. I might
   even like to do something like a clock 'icon' like on a Sun. Is this even
   possible? I don't want to waste my time if it's just a ridiculous
   proposition.
 
4) I am interested in joining a network service. I am interested in programming
   the ST, C and MIDI and music stuff. Does anyone have recommendations for
   which one to join? I would like one with an ST forum and all that.
   Which service do you use? Is it expensive? Tell me what you think.
 
Thanks again,
keith
 
 
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| Keith Hedger :  ?...!?uunet!inmet!hedger   hedger@inmet.inmet.com |
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Date: 15 Nov 89 04:10:03 GMT
From: uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!drc@g.ms.uky.edu  (David Cabana)
Subject: How to change key bindings under Gulam's ue editor?
 
I would like to change the key bindings that are used with
Gulam's version of micro-emacs.  I could not find how to do
this in the documentation; can anyone tell me?
--
David Cabana
drc@beach.cis.ufl.edu
UUCP:   ...!gatech!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!drc
 
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