INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri, 17 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 670
 
Today's Topics:
                   68030 processor upgrade project
                          AssemPro any good?
                           COMDEX (2 msgs)
                                  f
          Gadgets by Small - Possible new '030 add-on board!
                     TCP/IP for the ST available
                           Tech Specialties
                                  TT
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Date: 17 Nov 89 00:23:38 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!deimos.cis.ks
 u.edu!uafcveg!uafhcx!dhe@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (David Ewing)
Subject: 68030 processor upgrade project
 
In article <3424@uafcveg.uucp>, cjy@uafhcx.uucp (Calvin Yockey) writes:
>
> P.S.  I am VERY excited at the prospect of David Small providing a low cost
>       upgrade path to the 68030 and TI Graphics chip!  Go to it, Dave!
 
    ME TOO!   Does anybody out there knows if David Small as access to this
newsgroup?  If so, does anyone have his mail address?
 
       -Dave
 
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Date: 17 Nov 89 19:42:43 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dogie.macc.wisc.edu!vms.macc.wisc
 .edu@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Neil Gilmore)
Subject: AssemPro any good?
 
In article <1627@ultb.UUCP>, clf3678@ultb.UUCP (C.L. Freemesser) writes...
 
>I'm looking to start programming on the ST.  I would prefer to use
>Assembly over a high level language, but am not sure of the best package
>to get.  I've heard AssemPro is quite good.  Anybody have any comments
>on this or another package?
 
>The price I've seen is about $40 from MicroTyme.  I know these folks are
>good, and the price looks right.
 
I use Assempro regularly, and have done so for more than 2 years.
 
The assembler works quite well, compiling anything I gave it easily.
However, my style is not common in that I seldom use include files of
the C sort; that is, lists of equates and defines. This style works well
for Assempro for 2 reasons: 1, the included macro libraries are not
worth the effort of using. I think that the author produced libraries
for his own use, and I find them useless. 2, the debugger can't tell
which name you equated to a number very well. It appears to use the
first occurence in debugging, which can be confusing. I generally use
include files for logically related portions of source code. I would
reccommend it as it appears to be one of the most inexpensive commercial
assemblers around, and works well for the price.
 
One warning: it uses a few constructs which are not Motorols standard, I
think it's the directives for setting portions to even addresses, but
I've had no problems.
 
>Chris Freemesser, Rochester Institute of Technology :BITNET:%clf3678@RITVAX
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Date: 17 Nov 89 21:29:24 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caesar.cs.montana.edu!blake!rams
 iri@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Enartloc Nhoj)
Subject: COMDEX
 
I went to my local dealer minutes ago to get a
laser printout.
 
While waiting, the owners of the store called from Las Vegas,
having spent the last several days taking in the new products.
 
 
The TT?  The owners said that Atari made a very bad
move by displaying DESKSET II (?)... in their words,
it was "dogmeat"... "very slow".  They said it didn't make
a good impression, obviously.
 
Furthermore, ATARI would NOT give a release date.  All they would
say was: "It's available in Canada and in Europe."
 
Another vote for Dave Small and Jim Allen! DO IT !
 
And Greg L,  you're right, all the bashing in the world
won't change a thing.. particularly when dealing with ATARI..
they really don't give a damn.
 
 
-kevin
ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu
 
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Date: 17 Nov 89 21:46:48 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!caesar.cs.montana.edu!blake!ramsiri@tut.cis.ohio
 -state.edu  (Enartloc Nhoj)
Subject: COMDEX
 
Forgot to mention in last post...
Dealer says the TT/2 lists for 3K.
Seems strange to have a list price for
something that isn't available.
 
 
-kevin
ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu
 
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Date: 14 Nov 89 02:48:45 GMT
From: cs!majmudar@columbia.edu  (Kaushal Majmudar)
Subject: f
 
I have an original 520ST with color monitor, single sided drive,
and color monitor. The computer has not been upgraded. The monitor
is of the original (higher quality) type and works perfectly.
I also have an Okimate 20 color printer with black (and maybe color)
ribbon which works, except that the head needs to be replaced for
about ($30 from Okidata Inc. - it is 24pin thermal transfer).
 
I wish to trade my system for a 1040ST with a monochrome monitor and disk drivor
 perhaps an Amiga 1000-2000 system (i think the st would be preferable).
The reason I want a 1040 is to do word processing with greater memory (i plan
to buy a new printer as well). I settled for a monochrome because i thought
that the value of a color monitor and printer would make the trade fair.
 
Please respond to ta-kbm@cunixd.columbia.edu or
                  majmudar@cs.columbia.edu.
 
I am also willing to consider trading for a XT or AT clone and/or
a reasonable cash offer.
 
                                      Kaushal Majmudar
                                      Columbia University
                                      N.Y. N.Y.
                                      10/23/89
 
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Date: 17 Nov 89 17:17:37 GMT
From: ncrlnk!ncrcam!system!mike@uunet.uu.net  (mike reiss)
Subject: Gadgets by Small - Possible new '030 add-on board!
 
In article <1989Nov16.180311.23182@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> nemeth@gpu.utcs.UUCP
 (Gabe Nemeth) writes:
>Whats so great about Dave Small's vapourware product?  There is a german
>board out called PAK68 - full documentation, full schematics, full ROM
>modifications that has been out for well over a year now and is
>relatively cheap.  Its a 68020 with space for floating point processor.
>Sounds pretty good to me and is available now!
 
 
Is this a crock of S*** or what?  Somebody starts talking about making a
board that will help the ST and what happens ... somebody starts jumping
on him for having vaporware !!!  Gees, the guy has just said is is going
to consider do something ... he hasn't even said for sure that he will do
it and he gets jumped on.
 
Be real, at least give the guy a chance ...  if you want another product,
go for it - no problem, but don't jump on Dave.  He's trying to do something
positive for the ST.  He has a proven record of succeeding at what he tries
also.
 
Dave --- keep up the good work, the ST needs more people like you !!!
 
mike
 
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Date: 16 Nov 89 17:49:17 GMT
From:
 hpda!hpcuhb!hp-ses!hpcc01!hpccc!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!glenne@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
 (Glenn Elmore)
Subject: TCP/IP for the ST available
 
  For those of you who have written asking for the TCP/IP package
for the ST here is one place to get it.
 
By anonymous FTP from   col.hp.com
look under ka9q/pe1chl
 
for the ST there are two archive files of interest:
 
890814st.arc        object files
net_doc.arc         documentation for this version of the ka9q code
 
I believe that 890814st.arc is missing 'bm.tos' which is a mailer.
I will try to upload that into this same directory as soon as I can.
 
 
Glenn Elmore -N6GN-
 
N6GN @ K3MC
glenn@n6gn.ampr.org
glenne@nmd.hpcom
 
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Date: 17 Nov 89 20:16:43 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!jane!richard@tut.cis
 .ohio-state.edu
Subject: Tech Specialties
 
In article <965@ariel.unm.edu>, seattle@hydra.unm.edu (David G. Adams) writes:
> In article <8911150804.AA02823@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MCCABE@MTUS5.BITNET (Jim
 McCabe) writes:
>>
>>Being the young freshman that I was, I stupidly sent them the extra
>>money.  I should have talked to some government business agency about
>>them and tried to put them out of business.
>>
>>Overall, I would stay as far away from Tech Specialties as possible.
>>They are crooks, and their hardware is just average, certainly not
>>worth the seemingly endless nonsense you have to endure to get your order.
>>
>>-- Jim
>
> I purchased my Tech Specialties 1MB upgrade from a local dealer here in
> Albuquerque for $263.07 on March 18, 1988 for my 520ST.  This included
> dealer installation and the clock option.
>
> I have had NO trouble with the unit at all, and am recently thinking of
> using the UPGRADEABLE aspect of this unit to move on to 2.5MB.
>
>
> Dave
 
I must agree with Dave, I and several of my friends here in the Houston area
have the Tech Specialties memory upgrades and have been VERY happy with them.
The only problem that I have run into was a bad clock board on my first board
which my dealer replaced on the spot.
 
                                                     Richard Coggins
                                                     University Of Houston
 
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Date: 14 Nov 89 01:47:50 GMT
From: cunixc!cunixa.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@columbia.edu  (Christopher M Mauritz)
Subject: TT
 
Ooooh, a very barbed message, but I fell out of my chair when I read
the "over the rainbow" line.  <snicker>
 
Well, this may all be ancient history if Dave Small creates a 68030
board for the ST.  I trust his business sense a LOT more than Atari's.
If he produces anything close to the quality of his other projects,
he will make a lot of money (and a lot of disgusted users happy).
 
I'm glad someone credible picked up the ball that Atari fumbled....sad, but
true...
 
Chris Mauritz
 
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