INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Sun, 15 Apr 90       Volume 90 : Issue  444
 
Today's Topics:
                                (none)
                       Formatting in Background
                 GEMINI & GDOS = Garbage in Console?
                                 jove
                         LDW Power->Metafile
                 One world, One CPU, One OS (6 msgs)
                            OVERSCAN INFO
                pinhead + uniterm + jove == confusion
        Proposed change to names of sources/binaries postings
                   Tos 1.4 ... What comes with it?
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Date: 13 Apr 90 02:49:00 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!rpitsmts!forumexp@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu,
Subject: (none)
Message-ID: <11214.4598.forumexp@mts.rpi.edu>
 
 
      There is a file on terminator called 25MEGADD.ARC which explains
   how to exapnd a 1040ST to 2.5 megs by replacing the existing
   256K chips with 1 megabit chips. Unfortunately, the arc file is
   corrupted and I can only read the first paragraph. Is it as easy
   as it says in the introduction? (Just unsolder the 256 k and
   add sockets for 1 meg chips?)
 
      Also, did anyone ever purchase a CPU case from tech-specialties?
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 02:03:24 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!uhnix1!uhnix2!uace0@tut.cis
 .ohio-state.edu  (Michael B. Vederman)
Subject: Formatting in Background
Message-ID: <1037@uhnix2.uh.edu>
 
Yes, such a program exists!  Actually, it's a DA, but it does format
completely in the background.  It is called Mystic Formatter, and it is by us,
Double Click Software.  It is shareware.
 
- mike
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 18:32:17 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!samsung!dali!nero.cs.montana.edu!icsu8053@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Craig Pratt)
Subject: GEMINI & GDOS = Garbage in Console?
Message-ID: <1589@dali>
 
In article <16000051@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> cs325ec@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>
>       I just popped in my TOS 1.4 and booted Gemini for the first time
>       instead of MUPFEL/VENUS.  I tried G+PLUS 1.? and the G+FLAIR that
>       came with my World Flair and in both instances, the console window
>       works only with TypeWriter or System fonts, the others appear as
>       garbage characters (Gemini.fnt etc.).  Anyone have any ideas?  I'll
>       try AMCGDOS, but I can't believe that it would work where G+Plus
>       failed...
>
>               Thanks in advance.
>
>               -- Greg
 
 
I've run across this with both versions of Goemini and it is one of the
reasons I'm discouraged from using it.  Gemini seems to be dependant upon AMC
GDOS to use the Gemini and TMail screen fonts correctly.  This wouldn't matter
so much except for the fact that if you use the Gemini desktop, you can't
use the G+Plus auto-install option with Gemini, to my knowledge.  This forces
you to create a single assign.sys file that works with everything.  This
is a real limitation because Opus is VERY picky about how the assign.sys file
is set up.  To Stefan Eissing or any other knowledgeable Gemini/Venus experts:
Is there any way to use G+Plus Install with Gemini?  Can you force Gemini to
temporarily "let go" of GDOS before executing another GDOS program?  If not,
is there a way then to force Gemini not to use GDOS at all?!?  This is the
only reason I have to *not* use Gemini.  Are there any G+Plus experts that
know of a work-around?  Please, someone, ANYONE - what's the trick?
 
Craig
 
P.S. Yes, I have TOS 1.4
 
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  / Craig.Pratt@msu3.oscs.montana.edu / The ST-ranger in a strange land      /
 /
/ " There's a lot to be said for a blow to the head. " - Blue Oyster Cult  /
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 02:51:49 GMT
From: jarthur!cstein@uunet.uu.net  (Clifford Stein)
Subject: jove
Message-ID: <6158@jarthur.Claremont.EDU>
 
Has anyone been able to get jove to execute the .joverc file?  I can't.
 
Here's what I have in my gulam.g file:
 
setenv JOVERC f:\joverc
 
Now, won't jove.ttp execute the .joverc file called joverc?
Is this right?  If not, what's the correct way?
 
BTW, my joverc file looks something like this:
 
bind-to-key execute-command-line ~Z
 
 
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cstein@hmcvax.bitnet          |   feeling hollow inside."-- Naked Gun
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 16:39:09 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs325ec@tut.cis.ohio-st
 ate.edu
Subject: LDW Power->Metafile
Message-ID: <16000050@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 
        Could someone who has gotten LDW Power to print to a GEM metafile
        (a graph) tell me the secret to it.  I keep getting a 'cannot
        open workstation' message.  Or... mail me your assign.sys file
        if that may be the problem.
 
        -- Greg
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 14:13:00 GMT
From: apollo!rehrauer@EDDIE.MIT.EDU  (Steve Rehrauer)
Subject: One world, One CPU, One OS
Message-ID: <49c767b3.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>
 
In article <93.26244db9@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu writes:
>       Reading the articles that say how alike Amiga, Atari, and Mac users
>are:
>
>       It would be nice if these users could all have one unified operating
>system.  (Yes, there is UNIX but not everyone has 4-8 meg of ram and 80+meg
>hard disks.)  What does Apple have to lose by liscensing the Mac OS to
>Commodore and Atari?
 
Perhaps now, with their high-end Mac II's and the new QuickDraw boards,
not as much as before.  Apple's strengths have traditionally been in their
software; their hardware hasn't warranted the extremely high margins they
charge for their systems.  I think they'd have to be convinced that 3rd
party Mac-clones would play for the low-end of their market, which I doubt
it exclusively would.
 
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"Spontaneous human combustion - what luck!"| Apollo Computer (Hewlett-Packard)
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 15:07:23 GMT
From: tank!msuinfo!frith!schultzd@handies.ucar.edu  (David Schultz)
Subject: One world, One CPU, One OS
Message-ID: <1990Apr13.150723.21790@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
 
In article <93.26244db9@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu writes:
[deleted]
>       It would be nice if these users could all have one unified operating
>system.  (Yes, there is UNIX but not everyone has 4-8 meg of ram and 80+meg
>hard disks.)  What does Apple have to lose by liscensing the Mac OS to
>Commodore and Atari?
[deleted]
>Brett Kottmann
>demon@wsu.bitnet
 
Let's see how much support we can muster for this so that REAL machines
can take the place of PC's.  (REAL = Atari, Amiga, MAC, not PC)
 
Lock & Load
 
 
 
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Date: 12 Apr 90 14:43:21 GMT
From: uoft02!desire!demon@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: One world, One CPU, One OS
Message-ID: <93.26244db9@desire.wright.edu>
 
        Reading the articles that say how alike Amiga, Atari, and Mac users
are:
 
        It would be nice if these users could all have one unified operating
system.  (Yes, there is UNIX but not everyone has 4-8 meg of ram and 80+meg
hard disks.)  What does Apple have to lose by liscensing the Mac OS to
Commodore and Atari?
 
        Not much.  Some sales to be sure, but not enough to erode their profit
levels.  After all, people have proven they don't mind paying Apple's prices
by buying Macs in the first place.
 
        What they have to gain is enormous.  They could double their installed
base of Mac machines (making software production more viable) while having low
cost Macs (from Atari) available without watering down the current Mac line.
        In addition, the Mac OS would become the second leading OS, behind DOS
and in front of UNIX (which Commodore and Atari will have to go to otherwise).
OS/2 will not be viable for PC's.  (Arguments against that statement should be
directed to comp.sys.msx :)
 
        Making a mistake like IBM did?  Clone wars to follow?  Of course not.
They wouldn't be liscensing Mac computers, just the Mac OS.  The other machines
would still be Amigas and STs.
 
        Well?  Please, discussion only.  Flames should be directed to
alt.flame, where they belong.
 
Brett Kottmann
demon@wsu.bitnet
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 16:03:23 GMT
From: haven!wam!dmb@purdue.edu  (David M. Baggett)
Subject: One world, One CPU, One OS
Message-ID: <1990Apr13.160323.3616@wam.umd.edu>
 
In article <93.26244db9@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu writes:
>              What does Apple have to lose by liscensing the Mac OS to
>Commodore and Atari?
 
They would lose the ability to be incredibly pompus about their OS and
to sue the hell out of anyone that even thought about imitating it.
There would be massive layoffs at Apple because they'd have to fire
most of their laywers, which seem to comprise about 1/2 the company.
 
:-)  (Just a joke, guys; just a joke!)
 
Dave Baggett
dmb@cscwam.umd.edu
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 02:29:01 GMT
From: sirius.cis.ohio-state.edu!douglas_walter_gouty@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: One world, One CPU, One OS
Message-ID: <79196@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>
 
        Why would you want it???(Mac-OS).  You would be loosing multitasking and be
 crippling your machine by removing it's flexability.
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 01:16:03 GMT
From: ketch.cis.ohio-state.edu!martens@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Jeff Martens)
Subject: One world, One CPU, One OS
Message-ID: <79192@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>
 
In article <93.26244db9@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu writes:
 
>       Reading the articles that say how alike Amiga, Atari, and Mac users
>are:
 
>       It would be nice if these users could all have one unified operating
>system.  (Yes, there is UNIX but not everyone has 4-8 meg of ram and 80+meg
>hard disks.)  What does Apple have to lose by liscensing the Mac OS to
>Commodore and Atari?
 
        [ ... ]
 
What would Apple have to gain?  What would Commodore or Atari have to
gain?  Essentially nothing.  If Amiga and ST users had wanted Macs,
they would've bought Macs.  I wanted something that multitasks, which
the Mac doesn't (except in a very limited sense), and believe that
very few Amiga users would trade AmigaDOS in for a Mac-like interface.
Of course, most Mac users are also happy with their machines and
wouldn't trade theirs for an Amiga.  To each his own.
-=-
-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
 
Boston art museum director when asked what it means that Cincinnati
art director may face a jail term:  "Don't take a job in Cincinnati."
 
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Date: 15 Apr 90 09:38:43 GMT
From:
 usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs325ec
 @ucsd.edu
Subject: OVERSCAN INFO
Message-ID: <16000055@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 
        Could someone who has done the overscan mod to their 1040ST
        please mail me... I have some questions.  I tried it today,
        but all I get is a black screen on flip... and bit 5 of
        my HD is always 0... That may be a fault in my solder, but
        I redid it twice.
 
        -- Greg
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 00:04:09 GMT
From: eagle!ncastellano@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: pinhead + uniterm + jove == confusion
Message-ID: <17039@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
 
With Pinhead 1.5 installed, if I run Uniterm, then exit and try to use Jove,
Jove gets confused and mixes in all sorts of garbage with the filename
specified, and then complains that it can't find the mangled filename.
Disabling pinhead manually with ctrl-shift-alt 0 before running Jove solves
the problem until I run Uniterm again.  Putting "JOVE.TTP" in my pinhead.dat
does NOT solve the program.  Any idea how I can avoid manually disabling
Pinhead every time I run Jove after using Uniterm?
 
  System config:
    1040 ST, 1 meg
  Auto:
    pinhed15.prg
  Shell:
    gulam.prg
  Uniterm:
    version 2.0e 011
  Jove:
    the version recently posted in binaries group
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 12:42:40 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Proposed change to names of sources/binaries postings
Message-ID: <1599@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <1990Apr12.195502.7357@uwasa.fi>, hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama LAKE)
 writes:
> In article <1588@male.EBay.Sun.COM> koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (Steven
 Grimm) writes:
> >Someone has suggested that since software to automatically save news articles
> >using the filename in the "Archive-name" pseudo-header line, I should stop
> >calling the articles program/part01, program/part02, etc. and start calling
> >them program/program.uaa, program/program.uab, and so on.  This would enable
> >Dumas uud to pick up the parts effortlessly.
> >
Please keep the numbers.  Arabic numerals are one of the few universal
pleasures in the world.  Language may screw up a,b,c but not 1,2,3.
 
Also, using uud, just append the files all together and apply uud.
No fuss, no muss.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 13 Apr 90 00:06:18 GMT
From: umigw!umiami!dnd15j9z@handies.ucar.edu  (Frank Rachel)
Subject: Tos 1.4 ... What comes with it?
Message-ID: <6222.2624dfba@umiami.miami.edu>
 
I Just got my TOS 1.4 in the mail today, and succesfully installed it,
but it did not come with ANYTHING.  just the 6 chips.  No sheet of
paper, no nothing!  Is it supposed to come with anything?  If so what is
on it and where can I get it?
 
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