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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Wed, 20 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue  838
 
Today's Topics:
              Automatic window activation - pros & cons?
                       Improving this newsgroup
                         LHArc src available?
                             Line F again
               TT memory - how do you get 26 megabytes?
                            usenet->Genie
                  USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
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Date: 18 Dec 89 12:47:53 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net  (Graham Thomas)
Subject: Automatic window activation - pros & cons?
Message-ID: <1919@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
 
The disk cataloguing program STDCAT has a feature which I quite like -
I wonder if it's worth implementing more generally.  It's called 'auto
newtop' in the menu bar, and when it's activated the window under the
mouse pointer automatically becomes the 'active' window.
 
What do you think?  Would this be a desirable feature to have in the
desktop (or in an alternative like NeoDesk)?  Clearly there would be
some overhead in display update time, and there may be problems with
overlapping windows if your mouse pointer strayed into an unwanted
overlapping window on the way to the one you want.  But would it be
worthwhile to implement (as a user-selectable option, of course)?
Would any existing programs break if 'auto newtop' were installed on
the desktop?  Would it be a nightmare to write in a way that would
cope with every contingency (unlike in STDCAT, where it's in a single
program environment)?
 
Sorry - I'm not volunteering to try to write this.  I'm just
interested to see if anyone else thinks it would be worth doing.
 
Graham
 
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 89 15:25 EST
From: JOHNBARNES@ENH.NIST.GOV
Subject: Improving this newsgroup
 
The Future of INFO-ATARI16:
 
There is a movement afoot (althogh not heavily supported) to set up
alternatives to INFO-ATARI16 so that selected users can receive more
coherent information, presumably without all of the flames mixed in.
 
I oppose the creation of such a service because it would become too
narrowly speciallized.  The Atari marketplace is already a lonely
place for interested users and I do not see any value in allowing the
user community to become even more fragmented.
 
I believe that what we really need is a couple of good writers and
editors to take material that is of widespread interest an repackage
it into archival publications that wouold have a permanenet home on
one of the archive sites.
 
If such archival material were to migrate into the hardcopy Atari
press that would be all to the good.  I note that many of the
questions that are asked here (at considerable expense, I might note)
have been answered in the magazines.
 
I personally find the flow of unrelated information that passes across
my screen from INFO-ATARI16 to be quite interesting because it raises
issues that those of us in the colonial provinces of the Atari world
(yes, the USA appears to be a colony of Europe when it comes to
matters Atari) tend to miss or to solve in isolation.  I would not
like to see the newsgroup become the exclusive province of the
flamers nor would I like to have to hunt all over to get the really
good stuff.
 
I vote for keeping things the away they are but I would plead for
people to post information that has more content and to point us
toward archival sources of solid technical data.  I would be happyu to
post some tables of contents for the magazine that I am associated
with if anyone is interested.  In recent months I personally have done
lengthy writeups on the Syquest 44 and hard drive backup technology.
I do not wish to upload these here unless someone has an interest or
unless some has a home for them on a good archive site ("good" meaning
ftp-able, as that is all I understand how to do).
 
It appears that there is a tendency to post the burning question of
the moment to the net when a little research in a library would yield
a quicker and sounder ouutcome.  Magazines like Current Notes and ST
Informer, and to some extent z-Mag and ST REports, have solid
technical information that is more useful than some of the spur of the
moment responses that get passed around here.  On the other hand I
have found some of the questions raised here a rich source for things
to write about in my magaize efforts to help all Atari users.
 
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Date: 20 Dec 89 20:00:29 GMT
From: cca.ucsf.edu!wet!nut@cgl.ucsf.edu  (adam tilghman)
Subject: LHArc src available?
Message-ID: <876@wet.UUCP>
 
  Can anyone out there in netland direct me to the source cde of LHARC.PRG?
Specifically, I am looking for C code to do a verbose list of the files
in a .LZH file.  I don't have FTP access, so this might be a wee problem
for me =:(...
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== Adam G. Tilghman - Trendy Quote: "Beware of Greeks bearing Trojans!" ==
=== UUCP: nut@wet.UUCP  BBS: Eleusesthai, (415)871-9451 12/2400, 24Hrs ===
============= Disclaimer?  My employer?  What, me work? ==================
 
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Date: 20 Dec 89 17:58:12 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzaz!bds@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Buce Szablak)
Subject: Line F again
Message-ID: <894@lzaz.ATT.COM>
 
In article <8912200800.AA14560@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1.BITNET
 writes:
# >No RAM TOS is supported by Atari (at this time) and most are
# >illegal copies, making their users pirates, so it's not that great a
# >hardship.
#
#    A side note to Allan:  Take the ROM TOS 1.4, disassemble it, make it fully
# relocatable, write a little RAM loader, and you have a RAM TOS. Does that make
# me a pirate???
 
I use my RAM TOS obtained when I bought my ST to run programs that won't
run under TOS 1.4. Anyone who bought their ST before the ROMS were available
(pre 1040 days) got a TOS on disk.
 
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Date: 20 Dec 89 21:09:14 GMT
From: haven!h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!jlf@purdue.edu  (Jack L
 Forester)
Subject: TT memory - how do you get 26 megabytes?
Message-ID: <608@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu>
 
I was discussing the TT with one of my friends today, and the question
came up about how the memory in the TT is configured to get 26 meg out of
4 mb simms.  26 seems like an odd number - especially with a 32-bit data
bus on the '030.  With 4 mb simms on a thirty-two bit bus, you get banks
of 16 mb.  Is part of the memory configured at 16 bits?
 
I would also like to add my thanks to KenB and the others at Atari for being
here on the net.  That's one reason I'm sticking with Atari and am eagerly
awaiting the US release of the TT.  Keep up the great work guys!
 
Happy Holidays to all on the net!
Jack Forester, Jr.
West Virginia University
Department of Computer Science and Other Imaginary Things
That's 'jlf@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu' to you!!
 
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 89 15:44:05 MST
From: ASQB-SEP-A HQ USAISEC <asqb-sep-a@huachuca-emh2.army.mil>
Subject: usenet->Genie
 
I'll wager that Dave didn't anticipate kicking up such an elitist attitude
towards information distribution! :-)
 
Perhaps Dave's solution might be to send info in the digest form in which I
and probably most of the rest of the people on the Internet receive?  While
still keeping in place his protocol of filtering out posters who object to
their 'thoughts' being distributed outside of the _InterNet_ vice usenet.
 
I've wondered if people on usenet get postings which go to info-atari16?
 
I think I'll find out.  ;->
 
Mark Rhyner   mrhyner%sed@huachuca-emh1.army.mil
 
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Date: 20 Dec 89 17:51:01 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzaz!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
Message-ID: <892@lzaz.ATT.COM>
 
In article <935@crash.cts.com>, canada@crash.cts.com (Diane Barlow Close)
 writes:
> In article <15097@well.UUCP> dsmall@well.UUCP (David Small) writes (now
> much edited):
> ->
> ->    It's time to announce that there is now a working uplink
> ->from USENET to GEnie. Each note posted into comp.sys.atari.st is sorted
> ->by topic, and uploaded to "Category 10" of the Gadgets RT on GEnie.
> ->
 
> Hmmm, I don't think this is very fair to the Usenet community, and I, for
> one, object to Usenet being used in such a commercial way.  I have no
 
Our Once good Newsfeed is crud!.  I am thrilled that I can find the missing
threads and articles on Genie, I will log in tonight to see what I am missing.
 
Good work!  (Just my Opinion).
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
att!lzaz!hcj
hcj@lzaz.att.com
 
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