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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri,  1 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue 739
 
Today's Topics:
                          FORM, nice but...
                                 LNYX
                       Other laser printers????
                        Re Degas to postscript
                            Shareware Mac
                      STE article in ST Magazin
                          TOS 1.4 in the UK.
               TV Sports Football - Atari ST - Warning
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Date: 2 Dec 89 01:20:42 GMT
From: attcan!utgpu!watserv1!bmaraldo@uunet.uu.net  (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: FORM, nice but...
Message-ID: <274@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
 
        FORM is really neat.  I have a complaint about the manual.  First
of all, it is formatted in 6x7in format.  When printed on 8.5x11in paper
a lot of paper goes to waste.  This really annoyed me considering how essential
it is that we stop wasting natural resources.  The PD version of the manual
is a TeX dvi file and most people would print that on letter sized paper,
so why couldn't the author have included '\vsize = 10in  \hsize = 7.5in'
before he TeXed it so we don't waste paper.  Also, the manual lacks
inclusive speech and inclusive speech is important as we attempt to include
women in our language (and ultimately as recognized members of society).
        I realize this doen't really belong in this newsgroup, but the comments
are directly related to a product of this newgroup - since the computer
industry spawns documentation, we must strive for these ideals: conservation
of paper (in manuals, printouts, etc) and inclusive speech.
 
Brett L Maraldo
--
               --------     Unit 36 Research     ---------
                        "Alien Technology Today"
                      bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
                   ?uunet!clyde!utai?!watserv1!bmaraldo
 
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 89 20:12 EST
From: V053QHYX@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu
Subject: LNYX
 
During an INTERESTING flight from BUffalo NY to NYC I opened up
the airlines(yes I hadto go on a few different airlines..!) On PAN AM in
their magazine their is an add for the portfolio!actually a 2 page add!
Didnt look like something atari would do..It Actually Looked Professional!!
and guess what?!On my Continental flight their was also an add in their paper!
   Jeremy
 
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 89 20:04:07 EST
From: David Megginson <MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Other laser printers????
Message-ID: <89Dec1.201000est.57415@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
My spouse uses our ST to layout a section of a large-circulation
Canadian magazine. We use Calamus and a Lino imagesetter for the final
flats, but for proofs, we use the SLM804. 5 minutes for a page? What a
joke! Who the hell uses a laser printer and only prints out single pages?
We can print out a hundred pages in well under a half hour on the SLM804,
that would take more than an entire business day at 5 min/page.
 
For playing around, another laser might be fine. If your time is at all
important to you, buy an SLM804.
 
 
 
         David Megginson, Centre for Medieval Studies, Toronto
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 13:31:10 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!warwick!sww@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Spencer W
 Westwood)
Subject: Re Degas to postscript
Message-ID: <2066@ubu.warwick.UUCP>
 
I have been trying to do the same thing : pi3 to ps.
my postscript looks something like this:-
%!
%%Creator: deg2ps       by S.W.Westwood
%%Title:
%%CreationDate:
%%For: Atari ST
%%BoundingBox: 20 20 350 220
%%DocumentFonts: None
%%Pages: 1
%%EndComments
%% Taken from  Adobe Red book :-)
/picstr 256 string def
20 20 translate  %% move up a bit from the corner of the page
320 200 scale    %% map unit square to this size default
%%                  gives image 320*72 points !
640 399 1        %% x y and raster depth of image
[640 0 0 -400 400] %% matix maps raster to unit square but upside down
?currentfile picstr readhexstring pop?
image
02020202020202 .... image data - 34 bytes of header converted to hex ..
..00 %%end data
showpage
end
 Unfortunatly this does not seem to work properly.
Perhaps someone else could enlighten me ?
Spencer
 
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 23:16:03 GMT
From: crash!pnet01!johnb@nosc.mil  (John Bunch)
Subject: Shareware Mac
Message-ID: <813@crash.cts.com>
 
If in fact David Small is a genius, then he will figure out a way to
get over the shareware aladdin.  I.E.
 
Midi Support
Appletalk support
etc..
 
 
John
 
 
UUCP: ?hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc?!crash!pnet01!johnb
ARPA: crash!pnet01!johnb@nosc.mil
INET: johnb@pnet01.cts.com
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 23:12:11 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@uunet.uu.net  (Ralph Haglund)
Subject: STE article in ST Magazin
Message-ID: <1989Dec1.231211.25084@lth.se>
 
I made a quick-and-dirty translation in English of that article of the
new registers in the STE - want it, then e-mail me with some suitable
bribe.
If you insist, you could even get it in Swedish.
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 09:19:12 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net  (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: TOS 1.4 in the UK.
Message-ID: <3847@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk>
 
Well I guess you folks knew I wouldn't let this go by without comment ...
 
In article <8911300808.AA08824@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> AMEIJ@vax.oxford.ac.UK
(Jan Ameij) writes:
>I now hear that Atari UK have ordered the TOS1.4 roms from Atari Taiwan, and
>that they will be available sometime (but, opinion seems, not soon) for a
>price well in excess of 100 quid (cf 100 dollars in the US!).
 
Yeah! That's sounds like regular 'screw them stoopid' Atari UK policy.
These ROMS will probably be for general distribution but why do I not have a
it (even on EPROM) now. We ARE registered Developers!
 
>I have also discovered that Atari UK are the worst company to contact that
>I have ever encountered, with a telephonist whose degree of unhelpfulness
>plumbs constantly lower depths. "Atari-please-hold..... (25 minutes later I
>gave up)". That's if they answer (50% chance). I can quite easily believe
>that this bunch of wazzocks are entirely responsible for the non-appearance
>of TOS 1.4 here.
 
My usual Atari UK telephone experience (if I get an answer)
 
Atari: "Hello Atareee!"
Irate Developer: "I'd like to speak to Bob Katz please"
Atari: "Hold on pleeez" Click
Silence, More Silence
Atari: "Who are you hold for?"
Irate Developer: "BOB KATZ"
Atari: "Hold on puleez" Click "I'm sorry he's in a meeting" (Like everyday!)
       "Can I take a message"
 
At this point you can either say NO (But she'll hang up before you finish the
word) or YES and leave a message that will be ignored or she'll forget before
it hits the paper.
 
>Jan Ameij,
>Oxford University Department of Applied Metaphysics,
>ameij@ox.vax
 
Do you remember the joke about Apple employees changing a lightbulb?
 
How many Atari UK employees does it take to change a lightbulb?
Who cares as long as they change it soon! :-) NFSU
 
>PS: Ken B. and Allan P., please don't take offence, I realize this has nothing
>to do with you or Atari US.
 
Agreed! Thru these silent years they have been the only support I have seen and
long may they continue to do so.
 
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Date: 29 Nov 89 13:51:20 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!ist!kev@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Kev Holmes)
Subject: TV Sports Football - Atari ST - Warning
Message-ID: <2562@istop.ist.CO.UK>
 
After 8 weeks of trying, it appears as though I will get a working
copy of Mirrorsoft's "TV Sports Football" for the ST. I have a 520
STFM (with a 0.5 Meg internal drive) and the original release of the
game simply will not run on it.
 
After being told on numerous occasions by distributors and local
stores that Mirrorsoft would not acknowledge the problem, I decided
to talk to them directly. They told me that the problem was
recognised and that a revised version would be sent as soon as I
returned my copy.
 
Therefore if anyone's bought, or is about to buy, this product,
please take note.
 
Kev Holmes     kev@ist.CO.UK | disney, diz'nee, v.t.
Imperial Software Technology |   to queue excessively for a very short ride
Reading, Royal Berkshire, UK |   [prob S.E. & S.W. U.S.]
 
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