INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu,  7 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue 773
 
Today's Topics:
                  ATARI sales .. going up? (2 msgs)
                  Comments on STE -- (un)known facts
                        information on prolog?
                           Optical ST Mouse
                      Same old...same old...vol
                            Shareware MAC
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Date: 7 Dec 89 23:55:54 GMT
From: oahu!stephen@cs.ucla.edu  (Steve Whitney)
Subject: ATARI sales .. going up?
Message-ID: <29835@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>
 
In article <4748f7bc.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
`
`Has *ANYONE* out there in NEtland SEEN a Real Live AD for the ST, either
`on TV or in print?
`
`Just curious.
`
 
There were lots of them in print.  I saw them...  in 1985.  They had a great
big American Flag on the screen too.  Kind of ironic, isn't it?
 
Actually, I saw some TV ads about a year ago on an independent station.  Not
lately, though.
 
` Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx)
`  (602) - 581-4652
`|  AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ   |
` UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr
 
 
--
Steve Whitney   "It's never _really_ the last minute"       (())_-_(())
UCLA Comp. Sci. Grad. Student                                | (* *) |
Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu              UCLA Bruin-->    ?  \_@_/  ?
GEnie:    S.WHITNEY                                           `-----'
 
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Date: 7 Dec 89 18:05:00 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@apple.com  (Peter Ted Szymonik)
Subject: ATARI sales .. going up?
Message-ID: <24793@cup.portal.com>
 
Thats good news!  I've dealt with J&R a lot and they always laud the
ST and its sales, their systems fly out the door and they are one of
the few retailers that heavily push Atari products in full page ads
every Tuesday in the New York Times.  The Portfolio has been advertised
by J&R every week since it was announced!  Now if only Atari would keep
advertising as they did earlier this year in the NY Times sales might
really be something in a city of 7 million without even one authorized
Atari service center <grin>.
 
Peter Szymonik
Xorg@cup.portal.com
 
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Date: 8 Dec 89 00:08:50 GMT
From: oahu!stephen@cs.ucla.edu  (Steve Whitney)
Subject: Comments on STE -- (un)known facts
Message-ID: <29836@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>
 
In article <881@per2.UUCP> dag@per2.UUCP (Daniel A. Glasser) writes:
>The "Cookie Jar" sounds to be similar to the "WIMP" directive that
>was (is?) in P/OS running on the DEC Professional series (325, 350, 380).
>WIMP stood for "What's In My Professional?".  I'm glad that you folks
>have finally caught up with 1982 in that area, though you're still back
>in the mid-to-late 70's with most of TOS, and the early to mid 80's with GEM.
 
<stepping up onto my soapbox now...>
 
You know, I try to ignore stuff like this, but I just can't this time.  I'd
send you nasty mail, but I want the people likely to be offended by this to
see the response.
 
First of all, the ST is a personal computer.  The "Cookie Jar" is relatively
new to that arena.  Secondly, how do you know it's 1982 technology if you don't
know how it's implemented or even the extent of what it does.  I do, by the way
but I have been asked not to disclose it until it's made public by Atari and
I intend to honor that request.  (Even thought I haven't signed the new
non-disclosure agreement yet :-)  It's quite well done, believe me.
 
The REAL reason I replied to your posting is that it's offensive.  If you ever
expect to see more upgrades to TOS, you shjouldn't be discouraging those whose
sweat and enthusiasm it will take to make it happen.  _SOME_ of us appreciate
the things Atari's doing of late (like TOS 1.4, HDX 3.x, cookie jar) and we'd
like to continue to see improvements.
 
If you want to scare Ken B. and others off the net, continue to offend them
this way.  Remember, they have constraints to work within, not the least of
which is compatibility.  The three enchancements I mentioned above are fine
examples of how Atari (read Atari's engineers) has provided enhancements
which increase the value of older machines without being incompatible with
old software.
 
<off the soapbox and back to comp.sys.atari.st>
 
(more dross deleted)
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>    Daniel A. Glasser                           One of those things that goes
>    uwvax!per2!dag                              "BUMP!!!(ouch)" in the night.
> ---Persoft, Inc.---------465 Science Drive-------Madison, WI 53711-----------
 
 
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Steve Whitney   "It's never _really_ the last minute"       (())_-_(())
UCLA Comp. Sci. Grad. Student                                | (* *) |
Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu              UCLA Bruin-->    ?  \_@_/  ?
GEnie:    S.WHITNEY                                           `-----'
 
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Date: 8 Dec 89 00:58:16 GMT
From:
 munnari.oz.au!basser!metro!bunyip!moondance!batserver.cs.uq.oz!david@uunet.uu.n
 et  (David Duke)
Subject: information on prolog?
Message-ID: <2346@moondance.cs.uq.oz>
 
Hi there,
        I am looking for a prolog system for my ST (1040, mono monitor,
no hard disk) but have little idea of what is available and its cost.
I would prefer a `Clocksin and Mellish' compatible implementation,
and some kind of external database facility (such as in Turbo Prolog)
would be useful.
        Any recommendations, anyone?
        Many thanks,
 
        David Duke.
 
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Any opinion expressed above is merely an illusion on the part of the reader.
 
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Date: 7 Dec 89 19:02:09 GMT
From: hpl-opus!hpnmdla!hpsad!bobw@hplabs.hp.com  (Bob Waltenspiel)
Subject: Optical ST Mouse
Message-ID: <750034@hpsad.HP.COM>
 
>Has anyone heard of an optical mouse that can be used with the ST.
 
$100. from E. Arthur Brown Company
 
Orders: 800-322-4405
Questions: 612-762-8847
 
-Bob "I just happen to have brought the catalog to work today"
 
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Date: 2 Dec 89 05:45:00 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!ron.sharp
 @tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (RON SHARP)
Subject: Same old...same old...vol
Message-ID: <89120318304906@masnet.uucp>
 
Remember that Computer Shopper magazine is the mouthpiece of the
mail-order business.  After Atari cut off that market, the mail-order
companies have never had anything good to say about Atari.
 
PC clones on the other hand...
 
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Date: 7 Dec 89 23:05:04 GMT
From: crdgw1!brspyr1!tim@uunet.uu.net  (Tim Northrup)
Subject: Shareware MAC
Message-ID: <6555@brspyr1.BRS.Com>
 
covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert) writes:
>Dan, I thought that I read about a company that wrote a Mac Toolbox clone
>for the IBM PC. supposedly, any C code that strictly adhered to the Mac
>Toolbox rules could be recompiled on an IBM PC. And with suitable PC
>hardware (color monitor, mouse, or whatever), the application program
>would execute identically on the PC as on the Mac.
>--
> Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx)
 
Don't know if this is what you are referring to or not, but in the 6/13/88
issue of InfoWorld was an article on work on Intermedia at Brown University.
I think they used a "Toolbox Emulator" like the one you mention.  The
text reads, in part:
 
        "The system originally was created for the IBM RT PC under
         Unix 4.2 (with a Macintosh-like user interface) using Cadmac,
         a Mac application framework from Cadmus.  However, with the
         advent of Apple's A/UX and multitasking, the Brown team
         was able to move part of the system to the Macintosh II."
 
So, Cadmac may be the product you were referring to.
--
Tim Northrup                      +------------------------------------------+
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UUCP: uunet!crdgw1!brspyr1!tim    |   Air Warrior:  "Duke"                   |
ARPA: tim@brspyr1.BRS.Com         +------------------------------------------+
 
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