INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Sat, 18 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 673
 
Today's Topics:
                     atari ABC  yea or nay  ????
                   GDOS - basic information wanted
           Good news for non-German speaking Turbo C fans !
                      Mega with TOS 1.4 crashes!
                   MWC errors (was Re: GEM help ne
                    PortFolio as a marketing aid ?
                    Spectre Hard Drive booting...
                         TCP/IP and Atari ST
                            Vapourware!!!
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Date: 18 Nov 89 10:39:35 GMT
From:
 agate!genbank!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!uxf.cs
 o.uiuc.edu!rjk752@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: atari ABC  yea or nay  ????
 
Written Nov 17, 1989 by mitsolid@acf5.NYU.EDU
 
A system with:
        - A 286 at 12Mhz. SI rating 15.3 Landmark rating 15.1
        - 4 MB of RAM
        - 66MB 25ms 1:1 interleave hard drive (should tr. at >400Kbytes/sec)
        - VGA 640x480 and 16 colors.
        - 1.2 Mb floppy, 2 serial, 1 parallel, real time clock etc.
        - 2400 bps modem (no advantage here)
        - 8 expansion slots (4 available).
        - runs multiple DOS sessions under desqview.
 
costs (1862+100+50+320) $2332 without looking for great bargains.
(advertised items)
It is 1) as expensive and 2) much more powerfull and 3) much more professional.
 
/* End of text from mitsolid */
 
 
        Yes, but do you have MIDI ?  Just kidding.  I certainly do stand
corrected about my presumptions concerning the Atari MegaST being more
powerful for the price than any comparible computer.  I'm afraid all I can
plead is ignorance.  I had no idea the price of 286 computers had dropped to
such a reasonable level.  It's a welcome development, even though I am somewhat
of an Atari loyalist (because I liked their philosophy or not ripping the
consumer off every chance they get).  It seems that I have fallen behind, and
times are changing rapidly.  Atari has done a couple of things recently that
may be loosing them some of their loyalty base now.  I like to think I have
an open mind, and I have to admit that factual arguments like yours are very
convincing.  I hope Atari believes enough in PR to refute your (implied) claim
that their power/price ratio is down (with a market announcement that actually
comes true or something), but intuition tells me they won't.  I'll stop here
because I would hate to become an Atari-basher.  I still have hope for them.
        I'll always welcome reasonable arguments and facts, though.  So
thanks.
 
Bob Krieter
 
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Date: 17 Nov 89 13:18:18 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!unido!tub!blnosz!ballier@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Ralph
 Ballier)
Subject: GDOS - basic information wanted
 
In article <8911141500.AA10674@jade.berkeley.edu> VCD51661@DS0RUS54.BITNET
 writes:
>Hello, out there in netland!
>
>From time to time the same question seems to appear on the net:
>What is GDOS, and more important: How can i use it? Did i miss
[............]
>Again, every hint is welcome.
>
Every hint is welcome: for me too.
 
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Date: 18 Nov 89 00:47:46 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!buggs@apple.com  (William Edward JuneJr)
Subject: Good news for non-German speaking Turbo C fans !
 
I'd purchase an English version of Turbo C!
 
I cant send Email to BITNET, for some reason. So here are the particulars:
 
Ed June
176 Peartree Terrace
Riverdale, Ga. 30274-4482
404-471-1549, voice
404-471-9230, bbs
 
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Date: 18 Nov 89 01:12:44 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@apple.com  (Peter Ted Szymonik)
Subject: Mega with TOS 1.4 crashes!
 
Hi guys, I just got my newly upgarded Mega 2 (now with 4 megs of RAM
and the new AS chips - I'll do extensive tests and report back!)
 
Peter Szymonik
Xorg@cup.portal.com
 
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Date: 18 Nov 89 10:39:52 GMT
From:
 pasteur!agate!genbank!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.ed
 u!uxf.cso.uiuc.edu!rjk752@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: MWC errors (was Re: GEM help ne
 
        I tried to mail you this, but it gave me the line below
554 covertr@force.uucp... Service unavailable: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Since I have mailed to others, I assume I did "the right stuff" at my end.
 
        So here goes:
 
 
   ----- Unsent message follows -----
        I think most of the people on the net are aware that Atari is
handling the marketing/support situation very poorly in the U.S. probably
because of their European concentration.  Atari is also aware by now of
how we feel, if they even read or care about this notesfile anymore with its
childish sounding bickering.
        I accept that you have Atari's interests at heart, and am glad
you feel it is worth your time to write the long notes (seriously).
However, bringing up MWC'S loss of performance to show that the Atari's
market is going down is redundant.  We already know, and they know it too.
I get to use this net for free, but if I didn't I would probably get upset
about downloading all of the repetitive (Atari-bashing) messages at long-
distance costs.  Some people may not have the extra money to spend.  I don't
have that much extra time to spend, but it is only slightly irritating to skip
them at a couple seconds loss.  I purchased Mark William's C also, and would be
especially interested in an ANSI compiler which I could use at work.  But
a brief announcement that MWC ANSI "C" isn't out would probably have been
sufficient.
        This is my opinion, but I think straight facts will recieve warmer
attention than (few facts)+(gobs of repeat opinions).  That is my official
opinion on opinions :)  You did make some good points, but please let it
rest until there are some hard facts (and then moderate the volume of opinions)
 
BTW, the lines on your messages are too long for most of our screens.  They
wrap around and leave a lot of blank space on the second line.  Please
shorten the width of your window to around 75 or (max) 80 characters,
or increase them to just below 160 for those of us with standard sized windows.
 
                                Thanks,
                                        Bob Krieter
 
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Date: 18 Nov 89 01:20:47 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@apple.com  (Peter Ted Szymonik)
Subject: PortFolio as a marketing aid ?
 
Check this one out:  I was working in the computer/accounting dept
of a major accounting firm in Hartford when what did my eyes spy on
the desk of every administrator in the firm?  A big enevelope from
Atari Corp!  Enclosed was a very detailed explanation and description
of the Portfolio in a fold-out type magazine ad along with the 30-day
money back offer.  If Atari can reach into the levels of management far
enough and turn enough enough heads with this little wonder it *may*
just be enough to get some business' to look at the rest of the line.
 
Peter Szymonik
Xorg@cup.portal.com
 
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Date: 18 Nov 89 10:40:00 GMT
From:
 agate!genbank!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!glk011
 26@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Spectre Hard Drive booting...
 
        Is a certain SYSTEM version necessary for Spectre's boot off the
        harddrive option?
 
        -Spieu!
 
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Date: 18 Nov 89 00:05:54 GMT
From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!buggs@apple.com  (William Edward JuneJr)
Subject: TCP/IP and Atari ST
 
>Let me also say that I will soon have a map entry for UFGATE.
>Internet: Don.Weeks@p0.f3107.n124.z1.FIDONET.ORG
>Note: TLSI is a free gateway between Usenet & Fidonet.
 
Do you or ANYONE have the source to UFGate? I run the ST version of Binkley
 and would LOVE to have InterNet access! I'm especially interested in
 having to ability to read AND post NetNews groups on MY machine.
 
Ed June
Fido node 1:133/403, FoReM ST, Binkley ST, -=HST=- 24hrs. a day
 
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Date: 18 Nov 89 09:18:53 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!tut!hydra!hylka!jalkio@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Jouni Alkio,
 University of Helsinki, Finland)
Subject: Vapourware!!!
 
In article <9823@zodiac.ADS.COM>, jtn@zodiac.ADS.COM (John Nelson) writes:
>
> Since I posted the article on the STE I've discovered that it is
> really much more scaled down than the TT.  Apparently it will have a
> mere 1 meg internal RAM with a better colour pallete and an 8-bit PCM
> sound chip AND SIMM slots... APPARENTLY.  Who knows what Atari will
> announce.
 
Well, the STE is only a ST with those additional features you mentioned.
It certainly doesn't have a 68030, as you earlier mentioned!
>
>
>
> John T. Nelson                        UUCP: sun!sundc!potomac!jtn
> Advanced Decision Systems     Internet:  jtn@potomac.ads.com
> 1500 Wilson Blvd #512; Arlington, VA 22209-2401               (703) 243-1611
 
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