INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Sun, 29 Oct 89       Volume 89 : Issue 577
 
Today's Topics:
                386's, TT's, a machine I want (2 msgs)
                             dvi2slm804 ?
                      Help on compiling GNU C++
Pick your software first (Was: 386's, TT's, a machine I want) (2 msgs)
                          PMFS Serial driver
            Re: Look ma, no flames! <well almost> (2 msgs)
                     Reading versus understanding
                     Terminator-streport archives
                            unix on the TT
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Date: 29 Oct 89 02:49:55 GMT
From: don@vax1.acs.udel.edu  (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: 386's, TT's, a machine I want
 
    Actually, I remember reading shortly before the 2500 came along that CBM had
officially announced the 2500UX, which was basically to be a 2500 with 5 megs
of memory, a larger HD, and a tape drive.  I know the 2500's have been in
developer's hands for a while.  I think the major delay is inthe fact that CBM
decided to change the hardware to a 2000 with a 25MHz 030 board, and there was
a lot of retesting & redesigning to do.
Sorry if this message came out a little garbled.... I'm not doing a full
vt-100 emulation here & it makes editing a little exciting...
 
--
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Date: 29 Oct 89 02:16:55 GMT
From: fjcp60!winston@uunet.uu.net  (Winston M. Llamas)
Subject: 386's, TT's, a machine I want
 
In article <13067@s.ms.uky.edu>, phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) writes:
>...
>      No. Amiga hasn't given a shipping date for the US. They have repeatedly
> said that they are working on it and they have repeatedly implied that it
> will NOT be out in the US until the Amiga 3000 ships. When is that? They
> refuse to say, since this is a ground-up, all 32-bit project - not at all
> the same as just dropping a 68030 into an Amiga 2000 or 2500.
>
I stand corrected, as far as Commodore promising Unix for years now.  It's
too bad every Amiga magazine has to talk about it for years now, but that
rumors and announcements are not synonymous.
 
While it's nice to see Atari and Commodore making Unix available on their
32 bit machines, I think it's equally important that these guys are able
to support their products in earnest.  Considering how long it has taken
Atari, for example, to make an OS upgrade available to its users, I'm not
sure that their version of Unix will be that much better supported.
 
- Winston M. Llamas
 
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Date: 29 Oct 89 03:21:32 GMT
From: phyllis.math.binghamton.edu!dennis@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu  (dennis
 pixton)
Subject: dvi2slm804 ?
 
Please disregard my earlier posting -- I got dvi2slm from panarthea.  Works
fine.
 
--
Dennis Pixton
Department of Mathematical Sciences     (607) 777-4239
SUNY-Binghamton                         dennis@math.binghamton.edu
Binghamton, NY  13901                   dpixton@bingvaxa.bitnet
Dennis Pixton
Department of Mathematical Sciences     (607) 777-4239
SUNY-Binghamton                         dennis@math.binghamton.edu
Binghamton, NY  13901                   dpixton@bingvaxa.bitnet
 
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Date: 29 Oct 89 04:28:44 GMT
From: pasteur!cory.Berkeley.EDU!dle@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Duy Le)
Subject: Help on compiling GNU C++
 
Hi,
        I have obtained a copy of the sources of GNU C++ but I don't know how
to make an executable for C++.  Do I bring the source to my ST and make it
right there.  README says that I need to have either as from SUN or gas (GNU
assembler).  Does this mean that I have to get gas also?
        Your help is appreciated.
 
 
Duy
 
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Date: 29 Oct 89 00:21:19 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watmath!maytag!water!ljdick
ey@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: Pick your software first (Was: 386's, TT's, a machine I want)
 
In a rather lengthy and meandering article, (what was his point anyway?),
<211@fjcp60.GOV> winston@fjcnet.GOV (Winston M. Llamas) writes:
 
> ...   In many ways,
> I got what I paid for - a lack of programs that I'd really like to use.
 
This rings a bell for me.  I remember some advice that I got from
John Bear, in his delightful book "Computer Wimp", he lists "166
things I wish I had known before I bought my first computer".
 
Point number 25 says to choose the software before you buy the hardware.
 
I think he is absolutely right, and his advice helped me to buy the
Atari I now have.  I got what I wanted, APL.68000, and am still happy
with it; it is the highest level programming language I know for
any micro, and is almost the fastest implementation of any APL for
any micro.  Of course, I have been delighted to see certain other
good things come along...  for instance, UNITERM, Gulam, and Maple,
but the point is still the same:
 
Pick your software first, then but a machine that runs it.
 
--
    L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
        ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca     ljdickey@water.BITNET
        ljdickey@water.UUCP             ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey
        ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
 
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Date: 29 Oct 89 00:14:51 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!shadooby!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!w
atmath!maytag!water!ljdickey@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: Pick your software first (Was: 386's, TT's, a machine I want)
 
In a rather lengthy and meandering article,  (what was his point anyway?)
<211@fjcp60.GOV> winston@fjcnet.GOV (Winston M. Llamas) writes:
 
> ...   In many ways,
> I got what I paid for - a lack of programs that I'd really like to use.
 
This rings a bell for me.  I remember some advice that I got from
John Bear, in his delightful book "Computer Wimp", he lists "166
things I wish I had known before I bought my first computer".
 
Point number 25 says to choose the software before you buy the hardware.
 
I think he is absolutely right, and his advice helped me to buy the
Atari I now have.  I got what I wanted, APL.68000, and am still happy
with it; it is the highest level programming language I know for
any micro, and is almost the fastest implementation of any APL for
any micro.  Of course, I have been delighted to see certain other
good things come along...  for instance, UNITERM, Gulam, and Maple,
but the point is still the same:
 
Pick your software first, then but a machine that runs it.
 
--
    L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
        ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca     ljdickey@water.BITNET
        ljdickey@water.UUCP             ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey
        ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
 
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Date: 28 Oct 89 16:56:45 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!ginosko!rex!mgse!marks@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Mark Seiffert)
Subject: PMFS Serial driver
 
In article <44999@ccicpg.UUCP> paulm@ccicpg.UUCP (tmp Paul Moreau usenet acct)
 writes:
>
>   I found out something last night:
>   PMFS will not work without DC's qstauto.prg in the auto folder!
>   I've mailed Ignac in hope of figuring this out.  Anyway, if yours
>   bombs, place qstauto.prg in the auto folder and reboot.  It should
>   work then.   MAKE SURE that the serial port of both systems is
>   configured for 8 bit, no strip.
 
I was wondering if i should post a message asking if PMFS even works.
I have tried the posted version on my 286 to a 520 and all the atari
side just locks up. With DEBUG defined i see that pmfsu is getting
checksum errors and re-trying. With the most recently posted version,
it gets a checksum, and then does not re-try. I have sent mail to
the author, but have not received a response. Has anyone been able to
get PMFS to work between a 286 with SCO Xenix and a ST? I tried can
do Zmodem at 19.2K, but i brought the baud down to 4800 with the same
results. I think that the 286 side is creating a P.disk with bytes
that are swapped as far as the atari end is concerned.
 
>   I've got a cleaner version that the media change now works and I
>   can also work at 19200 Baud now.  If you're interrested, drop me a
>   line, else you can wait for me to get the qstauto thing figured out.
 
I have no idea what qstauto is, i lost everything i had when the harddrive
crashed and i can't afford a new drive.
 
>
> |  UUCP:  ...ccicpg!dl2!paulm   |      Paul L. Moreau       |
> |    or   ...ccicpg!dl1!paulm   | Diagnostics Software Eng. |
> |    or   ...ccicpg!paulm       |    Irvine, California     |
 
 
--
Mark Seiffert,  Metairie, LA.
uucp:           rex!mgse!marks
bitnet:         marks%mgse@REX.CS.TULANE.EDU
internet:       marks%mgse@rex.cs.tulane.edu
 
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Date: 29 Oct 89 02:21:44 GMT
From: phoenix@g.ms.uky.edu  (R'ykandar Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: Look ma, no flames! <well almost>
 
Just trying to make a few more corrections...
 
In article <1160@cc.helsinki.fi> JALKIO@cc.helsinki.fi (Jouni Alkio) writes:
>In article <4675ca0d.14a1f@force.UUCP>, covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>> which uses non-interlaced graphics, the A3000 is a serious contender in my
>> book.
     What he's talking about is the Enhanced Chip Set for the Amiga. ALL
Amiga systems will be able to use them - the A1000 will require a special
daughterboard (third party). They provide several new video modes, including
high-resolution (704*480 with overscan) non-interlaced, 1280*480 SuperHires,
ChromaKey (the thing that lets weathermen walk in front of their weathermaps),
and some other new features. All high-res modes on the current chip set
are interlaced, for compatibility with NTSC and PAL video systems - one
of the original design goals of the Amiga. However, this can cause a
problematic amount of flicker if you don't buy a de-interlacing or high-
persistance phosphor monitor.
>Amiga A3000? I haven't even heard of it. Can you buy one in the US now?
>If you can't is it still a plan or do they have a prototype? How much
>will it cost? What are the specifications?
     Commodore-Amiga will not give information on the release date of the
A3000. Some specifications are known; 68030, 68881 at 33 Mhz (I think);
ECS; full 32-bit system path up and down the line. Observers guess at
release dates from 1Q90 (don't bet on it) to 4Q90 (safe bet, IMHO.)
>What makes the A3000 special that you would choose it over a TT, for
>example? I doubt Commodore is supporting more than Atari...
     With all due respect, I think it is a safe bet that C-A support
is better than Atari, Inc. support. I suggest you verify this on your
own, of course, but as a benchmark; AmigaDOS 1.3 came out a few months
ago. It came with a 1/3 inch thick supplemental manual detailing all
changes and additions made to all commands.
     I got my copy from a dealer for $15.
     They just released a maintenance upgrade - 1.3.2 - for free.
     You may also wish to compare co-operation with developers, telephone
waits on customer support lines, advertising support, and so on.
     This isn't to say that C-A support is perfect; far from it. But you
can always tell that they're trying very hard.
>What do you need those 5 or more slots for. (And please don't answer:
>"internal modems, hard-disks, etc", because that's only a cosmetic issue.)
     Multiple graphics cards, GenLock card, processor upgrade, RAM additions,
new and different networking cards and disk interfaces, second (third, etc)
parallel and serial cards, systems control, etc, etc.
                                                         - R'ykandar.
--
| R'ykandar Korra'ti, Editor, LOW ORBIT | phoenix@ms.uky.edu | CIS 72406,370 |
| Elfinkind, Unite! | phoenix@ukma.bitnet | PLink: Skywise | QLink: Bearclaw |
 
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Date: 29 Oct 89 03:19:16 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uwm.edu!marque!carroll1!dnewton@tut.cis.ohio-s
tate.edu  (Dave 'C is cool, but what about LOGO?' Newton)
Subject: Re: Look ma, no flames! <well almost>
 
In article <1160@cc.helsinki.fi> JALKIO@cc.helsinki.fi (Jouni Alkio) writes:
>In article <4675ca0d.14a1f@force.UUCP>, covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>> But, I will NEVER buy another computer from Atari. Especially
>> a closed system like the TT/P. One lousy short VME card slot
>> does not make an OPEN system. you need 5 or more. One slot
>> just guarantees that no one will design for it. Lack of resources.
>What do you need those 5 or more slots for. (And please don't answer:
>"internal modems, hard-disks, etc", because that's only a cosmetic issue.)
 
   Well, AD/DA cards, interrupt cards (for process control), parallel output
cards, co-processors (i.e. high-speed DSP's, _Transputers_, an 80386 machine
for doing DOS if you must), and probably some I can't think about.
 
 
 
 
 
--
David L. Newton       | uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton  | The Raging Apostle--
(414) 524-7343 (work) |    dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu     | for the future--
(414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha WI 53186  | for the world.
"Isn't it fun to take two unrelated sentences and mix the batter lightly?" -me
 
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1989 11:17 EDT
From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Reading versus understanding
 
I keep getting feedback from netters quoting me all kinds of great US
prices to counter my posting about ST prices versus Mac prices in Canada.
 
When you read my postings netters, please try to UNDERSTAND them, think
about your reply and then send it. Geez, what good does US pricing do
for me when the cost in CDN dollars for a drive brought in from the US is
 
            US price * 1.2 *1.135 *1.039
 
Don't you think I would equip STs with $700 HDs if I could get them? Hey,
use your brains out there. Think before you reply!
 
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Date: 28 Oct 89 20:21:53 GMT
From: psuvm!jjl101@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu  (J.J. Lehett)
Subject: Terminator-streport archives
 
     I have noticed that the newest StReports are no longer going into
the terminator archive service.... anyone know why?
     Does anyone know where I can get some of the post august back issues
as I have had some problems and mine were all erased.....
 
 
      Thanks in advance!
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*       J.J.        *             JJL101@psuvm.bitnet              *
*                   *                                              *
*    John Lehett    * Penn State University  - - Computer Science  *
********************************************************************
 
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Date: 28 Oct 89 18:55:07 GMT
From: mcgill-vision!quiche!calvin!depeche@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Sam Alan EZUST)
Subject: unix on the TT
 
I hear that there will be two versions of the tt:
one "tower" model very much reminicent of the model 80 and another
"desktop" model....
Apparently, the tower comes with more memory than the desktop, and maybe
a larger hard disk.... that's nice.
 
but my father read me aloud an ST-World article about this infamous computer
where I thought i heard this:
THE DESKTOP MODEL WILL NEVER WORK WITH UNIX
only the TOWER will....
 
if this is true, WHY?????
 
In what other ways will the two versions be non software compatible??
 
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