INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Sun, 12 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 637
 
Today's Topics:
                                A3000
                         Calamus Outline Art
                           Give me a break
                             Languages!!!
                               MODULA 2
                 TOS 1.4 Incompatibility List Request
                            Vapourware!!!
            Want a fast Atari ST...how about a '030 chip?
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Date: 12 Nov 89 09:34:04 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!marque!carroll1!dnewton@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Dave 'Post No Nicknames' Newton)
Subject: A3000
 
In article <8911120232.AA07383@en.ecn.purdue.edu> bevis@EE.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Jeff
 Bevis) writes:
>In article <119.25505695@metnet.FIDONET.ORG>,
 Mark.Johnson@p0.f30.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Johnson) writes:
>>Hmmm seems to me that the logic used by the Atari bashers makes that
>>A3000 a vaporware product too. Seems odd that they aren't crying about
>>their awful - supportless - lying - cheating C= company like they are
>>trying to accuse Atari of, eh?
 
   Until the A3000 comes out, I will call it vaporware.  It may exist in some
forms somewhere, but unless _I_ can get it, it's vaporware.
 
>I wouldn't label the A3000, or even Amiga UNIX (AMIX), as vaporware.  Amiga
>UNIX is, in fact, in functioning existence as we speak, and was demoed
>recently at some UNIX convention.
 
   I've seen many things demoed at computer shows.  I saw a nameless PC
supposedly running some software, when in actuallity there was a VAX behind
curtain #1 running the demo.  Appearance at a ComShow is hardly a guarantee
that the product exists.  I made the mistake of pre-ordering a software
package at a show (yes, I saw it run) and found out later it was probably
6-12 months 'til shipping.
 
>Naturally, nobody in this newsgroup really cares what happens at Commodore.
>This is an Atari group.  I'm an Amiga person (see .sig), and I just dropped
>in to see what you people were doing with your machines, so that I might
>make more intelligent conversation... This was the first article I saw.
>It's sad, really, since this kind of brand-prejudice is totally non-
>productive and has helped us all to come to live in an IBM-dominated world.
 
   Not true at all--I care a lot since I may very well buy an Amiga.  I'll
still keep my ST, it's a cool machine.  But being able to put in a BridgeBoard,
68030 @ 25-33MHz, MultiPort serial board, easy GenLock stuff, etc. has pushed
me to buy a Commodore (something I swore I would never do when I saw the Vic-20)
 
   And I don't think loyalty to Atari pushed us to domination by Big Blue.  In
fact, just the opposite--our tolerance of Atari has _kept_ Big Blue from
totally dominated with their antiquated machinry.
 
   I'll probably end up buying an Amiga 2500 w/ accelerator, bridgeboard, a
25NHz 386 for Unix (unless Commodore's is good), and keep a decked-out ST.
The best of all worlds.  An ATW is still a possibility, but I haven't heard
back from whoever it was I wrote to in England yet.
 
--
David L. Newton       | uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton  | The Raging Apostle--
(414) 524-7343 (work) |    dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu     | for the future--
(414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha WI 53186  | for the world.
"Isn't it fun to take two unrelated sentences and mix the batter lightly?" -me
 
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 89 08:24:06 EST
From: David Megginson <MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Calamus Outline Art
 
I don't think we're too far away from a North American release of
Calamus Outline Art, so I thought (with ISD's permission) I'd post an
important warning about it.
 
All of the compugraphic fonts are drawn as continuous outlines. For
example, there are _only_ two paths in the letter O, one in the letter
I, etc. Outline will work well only with these fonts -- otherwise,
when it shows a font outlined, it will show all of the criss-crossing
lines which you see in the font editor.
 
If you are designing PD fonts, beware! Also, please put the hyphen (vs.
dash), close quote, etc. in the same place as they are in the compugraphic
fonts. Do _not_ use the free fonts supplied with Calamus as a guide.
 
I have been beta-testing (and just using) Outline Art for a few months
now, and it is an astounding program. I do not work for ISD, we just get
along well.
 
 
        David Megginson, Centre for Medieval Studies, Toronto
 
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Date: 12 Nov 89 07:01:08 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!aplcen!jhunix!ins_bac@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Ajay Choudhri)
Subject: Give me a break
 
In article <8911110803.AA21821@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> UUCJEFF@ECNCDC.BITNET (jeff
 beer) writes:
>I have FLASH 1.52 and its only trouble is that it cannot send a break, or
>it has not been documented.  Does anyone know, has FLASH a more recent version,
>and does it send a break?
>
>Thanks,  Jeff Beer, UUCJEFF@ECNCDC.BITNET  Chicago, IL.
I have Flash v1.6, I think there is a 1.65
to send a break hit Shift-CLR(HOME).
 
-Ajay CHoudhri
ins_bac@jhunix.UUCP
ins_bac@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU
 
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Date: 12 Nov 89 10:40:31 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.e
du!glk01126@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Languages!!!
 
        There are tons of languages available at ftp 35.1.33.8
        (terminator).  I've gotten Lisp, Forth, C, Icon and
        a few others I have sitting around, waiting for me
        to chow on...
 
        -Spieu!
 
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Date: 12 Nov 89 04:21:54 GMT
From: crash!fgbrooks@nosc.mil  (Fred Brooks)
Subject: MODULA 2
 
In article <111500055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> glk01126@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>
>       The PD compiler from ETH is available from 35.1.33.8
>       or panarthea.  It is a port of Wirth's own compiler
>       and is pretty standard.  It is free and contains
>       a graphical shell, editor, debugger and all gem i/o
>       including things like obfix etc.
>
>       I could e-mail it if you don't have access to those sites...
>
>       -Spieu!
 
How do you get files from the panarthea archive site without FTP.
 
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Date: 12 Nov 89 05:15:45 GMT
From: watmath!watserv1!bmaraldo@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: TOS 1.4 Incompatibility List Request
 
Can somebody post or email me an updated TOS 1.4 incompatibility list?
I am considering purchasing TOS1.4 ROMs - is it worth it?
 
Brett L Maraldo
 
 
 
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               --------     Unit 36 Research     ---------
                        "Alien Technology Today"
                      bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
                   ?uunet!clyde!utai?!watserv1!bmaraldo
 
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Date: 11 Nov 89 03:14:20 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a23@uunet.uu.net  (Joel Murray)
Subject: Vapourware!!!
 
> rona writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <480035@hpdml93.HP.COM>
> Posted: 9 Nov 89 21:04:21 GMT
>
> Org.  : Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
> Person: Ron Abramson
>
>
> I've seen a the NEXT machine.  It is very real.
>
> Ron Abramson  rona@hpdml92.HP.COM
 
 
So have I--at the University of British Columbia Bookstore--for sale.
 
I have also seen a Portfolio, also for sale.
 
I have also seen a STacy (at the Pacific Rim Computer and Communications
Exhibition)--not for sale anywhere in Vancouver, BC, though.
 
    //    ///      CIS: 73200,3117
  \X/oel ///urray  Usenet: a23@mindlink.UUCP
 
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Date: 12 Nov 89 04:27:01 GMT
From:
 gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!marque!carroll1!dnewton@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Dave 'Post No Nicknames' Newton)
Subject: Want a fast Atari ST...how about a '030 chip?
 
In article <23808@cup.portal.com> Xorg@cup.portal.com (Peter Ted Szymonik)
 writes:
>Yes its true!  Dave Small has teamed up with Jim Allen of Fast
>Technologies to make an add-on board for the ST which will run
>a '030 chip at 16MHz!!  Reportly this board speeds Spectre GCR
>to Mac IIci speeds!  I didn't ctach all of the GEnie CO last night,
 
   Since the IIci uses a 25MHz 68030, I can't see how this will come close to
IIci speeds.
 
   Will they also port a Unix to make use of the 68030's built-in MMU?  That
would be a Win.
 
--
David L. Newton       | uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton  | The Raging Apostle--
(414) 524-7343 (work) |    dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu     | for the future--
(414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha WI 53186  | for the world.
"Isn't it fun to take two unrelated sentences and mix the batter lightly?" -me
 
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