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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon, 16 Oct 89       Volume 89 : Issue 525
 
Today's Topics:
                              Databases
                            disassemblers
                   Extended argument passing scheme
                                 IMG
               JIM ALLEN COMPUSERVE OR BITNET ADDRESS?
                             Link format
                        PC-Ditto II/ PC-Speed
         Turbo C (was Re: Problems with LASER C 2.1) (2 msgs)
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Date: 16 Oct 89 10:13:19 GMT
From: nis!pwcs!stag!daemon@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU  (Kent Schumacher)
Subject: Databases
 
[dm@pnet01.cts.com (Dan Melson) writes...]
> This is a repeated question.  I'm in the market for a database, and having no
> experience with them, would appreciate the views of the net on them.  The more
> specific and detailed, the better, of course.
>
> I originally posted this about five days ago, and got exactly five responses,
> three of which were 'could you let me know, too'.  At this point, replies via
> either e-mail or public means are more than welcome.  Those of you who
> maintained silence for fear of deluging the recipient are hereby invited to
> attempt it.  I'll summarize the e-mail responses I get.
>
>                                                 DM
 
The most powerful data-base manager is DbMan.  Along with that go ridiculous
amounts of disk usage and access, the most pathetic user interface I've ever
seen on an ST (it's almost as bad as most PC based applications), and a
small number of bugs - some fatal - all work-aroundable.
 
DbMan is usable if you have a hard-drive, at least one meg of memory,
Turbo ST 1.6, and have used a PC extensively, or alternatively
you periodically hit your head against hard objects.
 
The only reason to buy it, is that it offers the most power to the user
of all the data-bases I have any experience with.  Try before you buy.
(Also read a magazine review and get a look at the manual). I paid
$150.00 for the thing.
 
 
  - Kent Schumacher                  /* "A member of STdNET-         */
    ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP             /*  The ST developers network  */
 
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Date: 15 Oct 89 19:57:45 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Deimert)
Subject: disassemblers
 
What disassemblers are there for the ST?  I heard something about a
new german logical disassembler, and that it probably wasn't worth
the price to convert it to english.
 
I'm looking for a disassembler that can able to do the following
things:
 
	o  Disassemble from a file, with symbols.
	o  Generate labels.
	o  Recognize illegal instructions and set these to dc.?
	o  Generate code that can directly be assembled again.
	o  .PRG, .TOS, .TTP, .O, .BIN, etc should be handled.
	o  Specification of data-areas should be possible
	o  Hex-codes as a comment as an option
	o  character strings as comments as an option
	o  ...several other things I don't remember right now :-)
 
The only one I've got is the 'built-in' disassembler in GenST, and
it has errors...
 
Are there any disassemblers with sourcecode avaiable?  Then it
should be no problem changing the format of the output.
 
 
Please e-mail any response to me, or post it to the net.
Daniel
 
 
--
    Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN
    Internet:	daniel@pkmab.se
    UUCP:	...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel
 
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 89 11:58:51 MEZ
From: ONM07%DMSWWU1A.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Julian Reschke)
Subject: Extended argument passing scheme
 
What happened to the promised extended argument passing standard, Atari?
Have I missed something?
 
 
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Date: 15 Oct 89 11:09:35 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Deimert)
Subject: IMG
 
In article <8910120726.AA21587@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.CA
 (David Megginson) writes:
>IMG is, was, and always will be the standard GEM image format.  NEO, P?3,
>etc. were invented by programmers too lazy to try to use the IMG standard.
 
Too lazy -- or simply to demanding. The .IMG-format is too complex,
to strange, requires to much effort to use.  At least that's my opinion.
 
>Yes, IMG is supposed to support colour too.
 
Hey,  how do you know the colors?  As far as I know, there are no
way of specifying the palette data.   Only the number of bitplanes.
Am I wrong?
 
Regards,
Daniel
--
    Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN
    Internet:	daniel@pkmab.se
    UUCP:	...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel
 
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Date: 16 OCT 89 04:15:10 CST
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
Subject: JIM ALLEN COMPUSERVE OR BITNET ADDRESS?
 
    Could someone please send to me Jim Allen of the Turbo 16 accelerator
card's BitNet or CompuServe address?  Many thanks!!!!!
 
Larry Rymal:  |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
 
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Date: 15 Oct 89 11:01:03 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Deimert)
Subject: Link format
 
In article <CMM.0.88.623987231.larserio@kyrre.uio.no> larserio@IFI.UIO.NO
 (LarsErikOsterud) writes:
>I use Personal Pascal 2 for all my programming and need a little help.
>You can include your own C and ASM routines in Personal Pascal, but it
>will only accept files with DRI linker format and all my C-compilers and
>Assembler uses GST linker-format.
 
Use DecpacST/2 as assembler instead!   It can produce either DRI or
GST object files. And I find Decpac being one of the best packages, too.
It's quite cheap, fast, easy to use and has a wonderful debugger!
 
And I think that MWC can produce DRI format files, but I'm not sure.
Maybe Alcyon C?
--
    Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN
    Internet:	daniel@pkmab.se
    UUCP:	...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel
 
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Date: 16 Oct 89 06:15:36 GMT
From: unmvax!ogccse!blake!themod@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Chris Hinton)
Subject: PC-Ditto II/ PC-Speed
 
  Since we're on the subject of PC emulation, can someone explain the
defferent graphic modes (VGA, CGA, etc) available, and what the emulators
can emulate.
 
 
 
Chris Hinton ---- themod@blake.acs.washington.edu
Mod Software Systems
Seattle, Wa  98195
 
"Why didn't you tell me he had one of those... things?" - The Joker.
"My life is really...complex." - Bruce Wayne.
"Good tea...Nice House." - Lt. Worf
 
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Date: 16 Oct 89 13:05:39 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!draken!matsl@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Mats Luthman)
Subject: Turbo C (was Re: Problems with LASER C 2.1)
 
In article <942@dutrun.UUCP> robert@duttnph.UUCP (Robert de Vries) writes:
>I have used a lot of them (Mark Williams, Lattice, Laser, GNU CC) and they
>all compile slower and they produce slower code and larger code.
 
How much faster than for example Lattice C? Could you give a rough estimate
of the speed in lines per second?
 
Mats Luthman
 
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Date: 16 Oct 89 09:37:52 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun!robert@uunet.uu.net  (Robert de Vries)
Subject: Turbo C (was Re: Problems with LASER C 2.1)
 
In article <1588@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca> depeche@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca "Depeche
 Modem" writes:
>grrr. how frustrating. I can't wait to get PC-Speed so I can run f*cking
>Turbo C. I sent a letter to Megamax. I will tell you how long they take to
>reply to it...
It's really funny, because Turbo C for the ST already exists for almost a
year now. It is available from Heimsoeth in Germany who have an agreement
with the Turbo company in the USA. They use the parser from the PC version
and made their own code generator.
At this moment version 1.1 is released with support for the f68881 floating
point coprocessor. In december they release a sourcecode level debugger.
I have heard that these products are not sold in the USA, it is time
this will change, because it produces the fastest code of all ST C-compilers.
I have used a lot of them (Mark Williams, Lattice, Laser, GNU CC) and they
all compile slower and they produce slower code and larger code.
I use it all the time, and being developer of the image processing package
AIM, I know how nice a package it really is.
I have no connections with Heimsoeth in any way. I'm only very enthousiastic
about their product. It is also very cheap. In Germany it sells for 225 DM,
which will be roughly $ 100,-. This is the smallest version, without an
extra assembler. With assembler (the developers version) it costs 340 DM
($ 160)
 
I hope this gives a little more attention to this compiler, which deserves it
completely.
 
      Robert.
 
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