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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon,  4 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue 745
 
Today's Topics:
                            Absoft Fortran
                                 FORM
                          Kermit for the ST.
                            MOUSE PROBLEM
                  NOTATOR vs. FINALE (mac) (2 msgs)
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Date: 3 Dec 89 14:32:30 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!altger!york@uunet.uu.net  (york)
Subject: Absoft Fortran
Message-ID: <2066@altger.UUCP>
 
I also understand your problems. Some of them may be solved by
using the 'script' commando from the library manager. May be, the
linker also has cuch a command. There is still no way to do it via
command line options.
 
But it is even worse. Recently I tried to impement the NAG graphics
library (*only* about 350 routines). For I had impemented it before
on my UN*X system, I created two one pass libaries (using the output
of lorder and tsort) on my ST. The linker map told me, that no routine
was missing. So I started the test program. There was neither a label,
nor a loop construct in the main program, but the code managed to
build up a never ending loop.
 
Ok, I took the linker map from the ST and concatenated all modules
which should be neccessary to build the program to one file. I compiled
and started the program. I was somewhat surprised, that the run-time
link-loader now told me, that one routine was missing.
 
To make the long story shorter: The linker had found about 22 modules
in the libraries, but additional 25 ones had to be linked to build a
working program.
 
Conclusion: The compiler of Absort Fortran may be nice, but beware of
the linker. May be I 'll be using the Prospero product despite its
longer compilation and linking times.
 
Ulrich Liesenfeld     s=uli; ou=analyt; ou=chemie; p=uni-bochum;
                                          a=dbp; c=de;
 
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 89 22:14 EST
From: EDGINGTC%Wabash.Bitnet@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: FORM
 
1. I have been reading alot of talk about this FORM program and people receiving
the binaries for it.  Where are people getting these binaries from?  Can I get
these files from bitnet?  Are they at PANARTHEA?
 
2. I have TV Sports Football and it is GREAT!!!! I have a 1040ST and it loads
and runs perfectly.  This has got to be one of the best sports games I have
ever played on a computer.
 
3. If you are into playing racing games, try out PowerDrome.  It is a spaceship
racing game that you race other spaceships on roller-coaster like courses.
Very good/fast graphics.
 
4. Somebody mentioned a problem with DCFormat.  Is this true?  I format
practically every disk using this program.
 
5. From what I read in ZMag about Comdex, I can't wait to get my hands on a TT,
as I am getting bored waiting hours for RezRender to raytrace my pictures.
 
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Date: 1 Dec 89 05:16:23 GMT
From: pacbell!pbhya!dbsuther@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Daniel B. Suthers)
Subject: Kermit for the ST.
Message-ID: <31077@pbhya.PacBell.COM>
 
In article <2165@cs-spool.calgary.UUCP> marc@cpsc.UCalgary.CA (Marc Schroeder)
 writes:
>I'd like to incorporate Kermit into my Flash152 term program.
>
>  1) Is this possible?
 
It's VERY EASY.  Simply put the PD kermit.prg into the directory that FLASH
uses for default.  To execute it use FLASH's 'ex' command.
Example 1:  sending a file.
HIT INSERT KEY
TYPE: ex kermit.prg s myfile
 
Example 2:  recieving a file
Hit the INSERT KEY
TYPE:  ex kermit r
 
Kermit is a public domain program.
 
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Dan Suthers,  Analyst, Pacific Bell
uucp: ?backbone?!pacbell!pbeos!dbsuther
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Youth's a difficult time, and it gets harder the longer you try to draw it out.
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Date: 4 Dec 89 06:11:43 GMT
From: sdcc6!sdcc13!pa1323@ucsd.edu  (Some call me...Tim)
Subject: MOUSE PROBLEM
Message-ID: <5554@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>
 
In article <8912020824.AA28427@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MAXG@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU
 ("Gerry Greenberg: 315-443-5378") writes:
>Well, I'm having a problem that I would have never expected (the cause
>of which, I believe, is my daughter's playing one of her favorite
>games):  it seems that it is hard to get the mouse to recognize button
>clicks.  ...
 
I had this problem with two different ST mice, and a friend gave me
this suggestion (from his own experience):  Put several layers of
paper between the plastic "arm" of the button and the actual switch.
 
Depending on the seriousness of the problem, different thicknesses
of the paper work...but when I did this, the problem completely
vanished for several months.  (until a "friend" played a game on it
REAL hard, and I had to replace the paper--it works again, though).
 
If it doesn't work--well, you can't complain about the cost, right?
 
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Tim Mensch.
 
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Date: 4 Dec 89 01:45:18 GMT
From: shlump.nac.dec.com!hiatus.dec.com!norge.enet.dec.com!chad@decwrl.dec.com
 (Chad Leigh)
Subject: NOTATOR vs. FINALE (mac)
Message-ID: <1746@hiatus.dec.com>
 
I also use NOTATOR.  I have not seen FINALE myself in the flesh.  While
Notator's print outs look nice (I haven't
lasered them yet...), from what I've heard/seen of Finale, it is the
much better "music engraving" package.
Notator is more of a sequencer that allows pretty nice music notation
and score print outs.  It is the
best in that category.  But if your goal is to get the best looking
stuff on paper without any realtime music
playback and MIDI editing, Finale is the way to go.  I base this comment
on reviews I've read, my use of Notator,
and conversing with people who use Finale and who have described its
capabilities, as well as seeing
output from Finale.
 
Basically, it is a apples/oranges comparison.  Notator is a sequencer
and MIDI editor with scoring.  Finale is
a scoring/engraving package with some MIDI input/MIDI manipulation.
 
Notator is however a great package.  Highly recommended!!!
 
Chad
DEC has no opinions.
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Date: 4 Dec 89 05:16:24 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!caesar.cs.montana.edu!blake!ramsiri@tut.cis.o
 hio-state.edu  (Enartloc Nhoj)
Subject: NOTATOR vs. FINALE (mac)
Message-ID: <4749@blake.acs.washington.edu>
 
In article <1746@hiatus.dec.com> chad@norge.enet.dec.com () writes:
>I also use NOTATOR.  I have not seen FINALE myself in the flesh.  While
>Notator's print outs look nice (I haven't
>lasered them yet...), from what I've heard/seen of Finale, it is the
>much better "music engraving" package.
 
This is likely true.. as NOTATOR does not support a great
variety of fonts and symbols...   BUT.. the update in
December and the one coming in Spring will allow
imported fonts.. and user defined symbols.. possibly
MIDI mapped dynamic symbols!!!!!!
 
>Notator is more of a sequencer that allows pretty nice music notation
>and score print outs.  It is the
>best in that category.  But if your goal is to get the best looking
>stuff on paper without any realtime music
>playback and MIDI editing, Finale is the way to go.  I base this comment
>on reviews I've read, my use of Notator,
>and conversing with people who use Finale and who have described its
>capabilities, as well as seeing
>output from Finale.
>
 
Agreed.. NOTATOR could improve its "engraving quality" look..
and from what the developers tell me, they are doing just that.
(Must say that NOTATOR is good enough for two local symphonies
for clean and neat performance scores).
 
But a time factor has to enter into the equation.. otherwise you
may as well hire an expert copyist.  Moving several windows deep
and backing yourself out to do an operation that takes only a single
click with NOTATOR slows the process down to a crawl.  Then
there's the printing... an hour for a Finale PS page is prohibitive
when you are considering performance scores for a symphony amounting
to as many as 1200 pages!  But what you say is true.. NOTATOR
started out as an awesome sequencer.. then added notation..
fortunately, the developers know the capability of the 68000 and
GEM and are doing an amazing job.  Several people in the MAC and
IBM world say their software, including FINALE, pales in comparison
to NOTATOR.  The new multi-tasking features of the update coming
in December will provide for even a greater creative environment.
 
>Basically, it is a apples/oranges comparison.  Notator is a sequencer
>and MIDI editor with scoring.  Finale is
>a scoring/engraving package with some MIDI input/MIDI manipulation.
>
>Notator is however a great package.  Highly recommended!!!
>
>Chad
 
-kevin
ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu
 
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