INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Wed,  6 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue 758
 
Today's Topics:
                        A few random thoughts
                       ATARI sales .. going up?
                              Form Doc's
                          Still searching...
          The FORM package that came through on c.b.atari.st
   The Relevance of the PD FORM docs to the PD distribution of FORM
                     UniTerm 2.0e Dialer Bug fix
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Date: 5 Dec 89 20:34:54 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.ci
 s.ohio-state.edu  (Richard E. Covert)
Subject: A few random thoughts
Message-ID: <473ffa3c.14a1f@force.UUCP>
 
In article <4448.257a46e4@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 4224_5132@uwovax.uwo.ca (Andrew
 Semple) writes:
>
>  covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert) spews,
>
> > You know Ken, that is ONE reason why I refuse to buy the new TT. If you
 can't
> > even upgrade a Mega ST2 to 4 megs because of some manufacturing decision to
> > save 10 cents by using a MMU chip that can't address 4 megs, then what does
> > that tell me about Atari?? It is INSANE to sell a Mega ST2 that is crippled
> > so that it can't be upgraded to 4 megs. That is another example of Atari's
> > No Upgrade Policy. Why do you folks do that??
> >
> > And are you folks going to change this policy with regards to the TT/p? Or
> > if I want to add more memory after I purchase a TT/P will I have to sell
> > it and buy another TT/p with more memory??
> >
>   The above statement about the ST2 not being able to be expanded to 4 Megs
> is absolute CRAP.  I know of about 20 ST2's that have been expanded to 4 Megs.
 
Andrew, I was simply repeating what Ken B of Atari said in an earlier post.
That *SOME* Mega ST2s can NOT be upgraded to 4 megabytes. Also, when I had
Henry add the extra 2 megs of RAM chips to my early 1988 vintage Mega ST2 last
Spring I asked John Townsend and others at Atari what the repair/replacement
policy is for such machines. The *OFFICIAL* Atari policy is that a Mega ST2
that comes in for repair/replacement leaves with EXACTLY two megs of RAM
even if it came in with 4 megs. There is *NO* *OFFICIAL* way to upgrade a
Mega ST2 to 4 megs and still be supported by Atari. Ask John Townsend or
someone else at Atari if you don't believe me.
 
As far as some megas not being upgradable, my local dealer has sold some of
them. I believe my local dealer. On the other hand, the latest 520STs are
very easy to upgrade. You just add 1/4 RAM chips to bump to 1 meg, or 1 meg
RAM chips to bump to 2.5 megs. Very easy with the NEW 520STs. Very
*UNOFFICIAL* of course!!
 
>
>   To Richard directly:  Please have the guts to flame me by mail, don't waste
> space here!
Nah, there are too many folks out there that just live to read my next "spew"
:-)
 
>
> > Oh well, life goes on.
>
>   I guess it does ...
>
At least I hope that it goes on....
 
>   I was recently in one of my local (non-authorized) Atari dealers when I
> noticed that he had an Atari product called VT100 Emulator.  It was a cart
> that you plugged in so your screen resembled those old VT100 terminals that
> astronomy people use :-).  Has anyone used it.  It was only 10$ so I might
 
Hey, do you know what those VT100 carts are great for?? Pirates use them for
making ripoff carts!! But they lack the fancy gold plating of a real
cart, but you gets what you pays for!
 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Semple                               ads@hydra.uwo.ca
> 2nd Year Applied Math/Computer Science      Andrew.Semple@hydra.uwo.ca
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh, an expert :-)
 
 
 
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 Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx)
  (602) - 581-4652
|  AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ   |
 UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr
 
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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 89 20:03:50 PST
From: EESD11O%CALSTATE.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU  (Ed Krimen)
Subject: ATARI sales .. going up?
 
> I called J & R earlier today.  I couldn't order an ST or
> a Mega TODAY...that is, one couldn't go out the door TODAY..
> The rep says they can't keep atari's stocked..
> apparently the ad campaign is working.
 
What ad campaign?  The only ads I know about are the Portfolio ads in
magazines and newspapers and the great Lynx ads in the New York area.  I
know a few dealers are taking advantage of Atari's co-op advertising,
but I've only heard about them in Texas and, I think, North Carolina.
 
 
 
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Date: 6 Dec 89 00:10:10 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflor
 ida!haven!uvaarpa!hudson!bessel.acc.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Form Doc's
Message-ID: <2400@hudson.acc.virginia.edu>
 
In article <473eecf4.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
 
>Hey, it doesn't seem like many folks like the TeX docs to form.
 
Yes, if only some of them said it politely, then they could get them
in another form. However, if all we have is a doc in TeX, how else do
you propose to distribute them?
 
>Must be some form of Elitest mentatlity to post docs to a program
>in a format that 99% of the people don't use.
 
Jos did you a FAVOR by translating these docs, and all you do is throw
shit at him? How about "THANKS, JOS!!" for translating them in the first
place?
 
>Oh well, it could have been done in nroff, which at least most UN*X
>people have access to.
 
If you have Unix, you can get TeX for free. If you have an ST, you can
get TeX for free. If you ASKED, probably someone would gladly print
you a copy of the FORM docs. If you throw shit on them, however, they
might not want to do it...
 
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Greg Lindahl
 
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Date: 5 Dec 89 20:45:36 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Richard E.
 Covert)
Subject: Still searching...
Message-ID: <474003ce.14a1f@force.UUCP>
 
In article <1854@atari.UUCP>, kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes:
>
> daniel@pkmab.se (Daniel Deimert) writes:
> | I can assure you -- you won't be able
> | to sell a lot of computers if you don't tell them how to program it!
>
> I seriously doubt that the _majority_ of people who buy Atari
> computers, or any other computers for that matter, have the slightest
> desire to program their machines.  The simple fact is, most people who
> buy computers want to _use_ their computers.  They don't want to be
> bothered with "programming" the things.  Where a computer company
> will lose is if there is no software available for the computers.  It
> is important to make sure that professional programmers know how to
> program the computers, not end users.
 
Ken, that just isn't so!! *ALL* STers are hackers and coders!
The ST is soo much easier to program than an IBM PC or a Mac that naturally
*ALL* Real Programmers Program on STs!!
 
 
> | And there're a lot of developers on the net, too.
See, STers are programmers!!
 
>
> --
>    |||   Ken Badertscher  (ames!atari!kbad)
>    |||   Atari R&D System Software Engine
>   / | \  #include <disclaimer>
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--
 Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx)
  (602) - 581-4652
|  AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ   |
 UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr
 
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Date: 5 Dec 89 11:27:37 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!gdr!ccsmh@uunet.uu.net  (Mark Harding)
Subject: The FORM package that came through on c.b.atari.st
Message-ID: <1989Dec5.112737.17048@gdt.bath.ac.uk>
 
Our site seems to have missed dvi.uab
 
could someone post it to me please...
 
Mark.
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Date: 6 Dec 89 02:34:03 GMT
From: maytag!watserv1!bmaraldo@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: The Relevance of the PD FORM docs to the PD distribution of FORM
Message-ID: <322@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
 
        I was wondering if the author of FORM could fill us in on FORM.
In the readme file it says that the PD version is missing a few
features.  Are any of these missing features contained in the document
or is the (huge!) document consistent with the first version of FORM?
        I am interested in how long it took to write FORM and what inspired
the author to write such a package?
 
Brett L Maraldo
 
ps.  Oh, and are there any libraries available for FORM?
 
 
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Date: 5 Dec 89 11:03:44 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!leilabd@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU  (Leila
 Burrell-Davis)
Subject: UniTerm 2.0e Dialer Bug fix
Message-ID: <1872@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
 
I have managed to dig out the fix that Simon Poole posted a while ago
for the dialer bug in UniTerm 2.0e. Here it is:
--------------------------snip,snip--------------------------------------
If the `Retries' filed in the dialer setup dialog is set to 0 or nothing,
the dialer can not be aborted. Fix by:
 
        - setting `Retries' to one (this utilizes another bug, that the
          number is actually the total number of tries),
or
 
        - patch the 2.0e 004 executable:
 
          Byte (decimal)    2.0e 004             005
          44995             52 (Dec) (34 Hex) -> 53 (Dec) (35 Hex)
          55917             87       (57    )    93       (5D    )
 
          This will increase the edit number to five and fix both
          bugs (`Retries' will really mean the number of retries
          not the total number of tries).
--
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Tel: +44 273 678390   Fax: +44 273 678335  JANET: leilabd@uk.ac.sussex.syma
INTERNET: leilabd%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
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