INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Sun, 22 Oct 89       Volume 89 : Issue 546
 
Today's Topics:
                      GDOS, PP and outline fonts
                 Hey Borland, why no Turbo C for US?
                               keyboard
                More Internationalization of Software
                     TOS 1.4 Incompatibility List
                      TT vs 386 boxes and Apples
                                 YACC
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Date: 22 Oct 89 08:03:20 GMT
From: oahu!stephen@cs.ucla.edu  (Stephen Whitney)
Subject: GDOS, PP and outline fonts
 
In article <89Oct20.230647edt.57387@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson) writes:
[deleted]
 
>Besides, what's all this about?  Apple is still developing its outline
>font system.  Certainly, a Mac can output to a Postscript device which
>uses outline fonts, but so can an ST or IBM.  Right now, Macs use
>raster fonts just like GDOS, except the output resolution is not as
>good on the imagewriter (I imagine).  The only system I know of with
>outline fonts is the NeXT, and the __only__ full DTP package with
>outline screen fonts is still Calamus (Mac users, turn green with
>envy!!!!!).
>           David Megginson, Centre for Medieval Studies, Toronto
 
The big advantage that the Mac has over the ST that could be corrected by
outline screen and printer fonts is that the Mac can load and unload fonts
as needed because of its automatically ejecting floppies  (Insert System
Disk).  The ST loads all of its fonts when a program asks for them, but if you
need to check fonts sizes on the printer fonts, you have to load evey one of
them into memory.  In addition, the Mac uses the same bitmapped fonts
(albeit in different sizes) to do printer output so you don't have two
different 12 point fonts stored in memory.
 
Imagine how mnay Imagine how many fonts you could load if you just needed one
outline for each typeface!  Even with a large cache, we'd win.
 
If anyone knows what the Mac does in better detail, feel free to correct me.
Steve Whitney   "It's never _really_ the last minute"       (())_-_(())
UCLA Comp. Sci. Grad. Student                                | (* *) |
Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu              UCLA Bruin-->    ?  \_@_/  ?
GEnie:    S.WHITNEY                                           `-----'
 
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Date: 20 Oct 89 11:23:20 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!nadia!peterii@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Bechtold)
Subject: Hey Borland, why no Turbo C for US?
 
In article <1357@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> pa1038@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jon McCarty) writes:
>In article <1547@hiatus.dec.com> chad@norge.enet.dec.com (chad leigh) writes:
>>
>>I'm going to Germany in January and would like to get Turbo C for my ST.  What
>>is a fair price for it and where in Frankfurt, Stuttgartm or Munich is the
 best
>>place to buy it?
 
I know a place in Stuttgart, it's SCHREIBER, the biggest ATARI store in the
area.
Just ask someone in Stuttgart, or look in the local telephone directory.
(Or call me when you are in Stuttgart ..., number in my signature !)
 
>>Does it work on US ROMS or TOS 1.4?
It works with TOS 1.4, i don't what about the US-versions.
 
>>Thanks
Oh, no trouble.
 
>I'd be very interested in ordering Turbo C from overseas.  I'm also assuming
>Heismoth (sp?) is a German outfit.  So my question is do they only
>have the docs & dialogs in German, or do they also have a
>British-English (the goofy one with all the U's) version
 I don't need that --> I don't know !
 But the company which sells the Borland products in Germany is calles
 HEIMSOETH located in Munich (they don't have a shop there, Chad ...)
 
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Date: 20 Oct 89 23:34:29 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!tub!tmpmbx!netcs!gtc!aragon!rodney@uunet.uu.net  (Rodney Volz)
Subject: keyboard
 
In article <12970@s.ms.uky.edu> avogel@ms.uky.edu (Andrew Lee Vogel) writes:
>Do you have any idea how to fix a keyboard problem?  The enter and 3 keys
>on my Megas keypad are dead, I've tried to get it apart, but I cant seem to
>get right to the switch.  Maybe you could be of some help, or could
>possibly post this to the net for me?  (If it's no trouble.)
 
If you don't manage to get things right by repairing the keyboard,
you can just plug a DEC-Keyboard to the RS232C, and put "Deckey.tos"
into your AUTO folder. It works quite well.
 
Greetings,
           Rodne<y
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1989 14:20:28 MET
From: LarsErikOsterud <larserio@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: More Internationalization of Software
 
All version of 1st Word are translated to norwegian anyway :-)
The users want it it norwegian, even TOS is translated....
The documentation too...  Timeworks DTP and Calamus too...
 
 Lars-Erik  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /   ____ ______ ________________________
  Osterud  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /   /___    /            The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/   ____/   /   Klubben,  user association
 
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Date: 20 Oct 89 23:37:32 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!tub!tmpmbx!netcs!gtc!aragon!rodney@uunet.uu.net  (Rodney Volz)
Subject: TOS 1.4 Incompatibility List
 
In article <825@lzaz.ATT.COM> hcj@lzaz.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) writes:
>In article <23158@cup.portal.com>, Matthew_Eric_Seitz@cup.portal.com writes:
>I have two systems a 2.5 meg 1040 and a 1 meg 520.  The 1040 with BMS-x00
 
sorry - I just read about you 2.5 meg 1040ST; I own a 1040 and
an old 520 (upgraded to 1 meg). Is it possible, to put the
RAM from my old machine into my 1040ST?
 
-Rodney
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Date: 21 Oct 89 22:24:21 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!tut!hydra!hylka!jalkio@uunet.uu.net  (Varsinainen sikapossu
 kuoli t?n??n.)
Subject: TT vs 386 boxes and Apples
 
In article <46587ca5.14a1f@force.UUCP>, covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
> In article <CMM.0.88.624863922.cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu>,
 cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>> Well, unless you are a diehard Atari fan (I know, there are still a few
>> left), I would advise you to buy the 25mhz 386 now (if you do indeed
>> need it now).  Besides, if you want to use it for work you would be
>> much better off with an industry standard 386 rather than the TT (if it
>> ever does hit the market).  You'll be able to get software for nearly
>> every application at reasonable cost and not have to worry about the
>> lagging support of Atari Corp and vaporware promises.  It is really to
>> bad.  The 68030 is such a nice mpu compared to the Intel mpu's. (add ~
>> an o here)  Besides, who needs another workstation with non-industry
>> standard 16 bit slots.  C'mon...what a waste...Although I would like to
>> see the TT fly, I don't think you will see it happen (That is IF you
>> ever see a TT up close and personal...Ha!)
 
What makes the 386 an industry standard? As far as I know, there are
very few programs especially for it. The more people keep supporting only the
PC-line (XT, AT, 386...), the more technology has to go along the
same traditional tracks.
 
I have got every program I've needed for my Atari ST this far. Usually they
are more user-friendly than their PC-counterparts. I think it is stupid to
speculate about if the TT is coming or not. They have already introduced
it in Germany. (And if it wouldn't come, Atari could soon be in bankrupt
or something...)
>
>
> Not only are 80386 PC computers available there have been some really great
> prices in misc.forsale for 25 MHZ 80386 computers with 1024 x 768 x 16colors
> color graphics. something beyond the power of a TT, I believe.
 
How come that is beyond the power of a TT? For even the ST is NOW
available a graphics card with resolution 1280x1024 with 16 colours from
palette of 262144. And this is not the only one. I doubt a 25MHz 386 is
any faster than a TT.
 
 
> Also, the ads
> I have seen indicate that the 80386 PCs have 32 bit, 16 bit, and 8 bit
> motherboard busses, so can use a whole spectrum of IBM PC plugin boards
 (things
> like hard disk on a card, internal modems, additional serial i/o, eprom
> burners, geez just all sorts of things that Atari customers are too cheap
> to want to buy!!).
>
What's so important in having INTERNAL modems, etc... You can buy all
off those devices for ST's and TT's, too.
 
> So, that kinda leaves Atari and the VaporWare TT/P (for Plastic, sheez what
> a great name for a computer. A Plastic computer. Oh boy!!) for someone else to
> buy!!
 
Can't you make up better arguments that ones that are based on a computer's
name?
>
>>
>> Now that I've got my own little 68030 worksation (named after a popular
>> red fruit <grin>) and have it actually in front of me (yes, you can
>> actually see and touch it!), I can't believe how slow my ST seems in
>> comparison.  All I use my ST for now is Air warrior and an occasional
>> game.  Best of luck in your computer search!
>>
>> Chris Mauritz
 
Why compare an Apple with 68030 to an ST?!?! Compare a MAC to a ST and
compare their price, too! A ST costs only less than a third of a rival
MAC, at least here in Finland. You can still emulate a MAC with a ST
even faster than a real MAC. Where does all that extra money Apple takes go?
 
 
> So, from past experience we can expect a CHEAP 68030 machine from Atari that
 won't
> be expandable and will be margin in other aspects.
>
How come won't be expandable??? You can even expand a ST very well, even
if it doesn't actually have ANY card slots... By the way, remember MIDI,
too.
 
I think Atari has done a great job bringing computers affordable. Even
if I should wait for my new computer a bit longer, it's worth the effort
because I can get it many times cheaper than from other manufacturers.
I, for my part, will always support economic technology....
 
                        Jouni Alkio
                        University of Helsinki, Finland
 
 
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Date: 21 Oct 89 16:37:32 GMT
From: rti!sunpix!allegro@mcnc.org  ( SunVis)
Subject: YACC
 
  Is there a yacc for the St?
 
 
also do the Atari Big Wigs ever read this news group? If they do I'd like to
tell them that they are about to lose a die hard Atari user if they lie
to us one more time about new hardware. Come on guys get with it.
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 "FRODO LIVES!!"           COLORADO DREAMS             | Brand new daddy ! :~)
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