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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu, 15 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  207
 
Today's Topics:
                     Autostart program for TOS16
              Bob Brod(i)e comes to Arizona (Michigan)!!
                           Calamus PD Fonts
                     Floppy drive 1.44 meg woes!
                             FORMDIAL.PRG
                                stderr
                     STs and Colleges: A Proposal
                          Support in Germany
                      Wordperfect newer release
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Date: Thu,15 Feb 90 11:14:32 GMT
From: D.Wade%sysd.salford.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK
Subject: Autostart program for TOS16
Message-ID: <15 Feb 90 11:14:32 A10004@UK.AC.SALF.D>
 
 Can any one tell me where I can find an AUTOSTART program that works with
 the TOS16 in my 520STE. Neither of the ones I have will work. Thanks
 
 Sorry no signature file but replies outside the UK may be sent to:-
 D.WADE@D.SALF.AC.UK - Most Places, MS2@UKACRL - Bitnet.
 
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Date: 15 Feb 90 08:43:08 GMT
From: portal!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com
Subject: Bob Brod(i)e comes to Arizona (Michigan)!!
Message-ID: <26947@cup.portal.com>
 
To add to what Howard Chu said about Bob Brodie's coming to Michigan next
week...   He's arriving on Friday night, and Bill and Pattie Rayl, publishers
of the Atari Interface Magazine (and members of the Washtenaw Atari Users'
Group, and former officers of the Michigan Atari Computer Enthusiasts)
are going to pick him up at the airport...  if I can arrange to trade Friday
night with someone else where I work, I'll probably go along too..
 
We're planning on getting him slightly greased and talkative at some of the
local hotspots.. er.. that is.. we plan to show him some real Michigan
hospitality...   if he happens to spill anything on his own, we'll be
happy to listen...              :)
 
Saturday he's scheduled to appear at a meeting of the MacTehnics Macintosh
users' group to demonstrate the Spectre GCR/Stacey combination... then
Saturday night will give us another opportunity to pump him.. that is,
inquire gently into Atari's plans for the future...
 
Sunday, the Washtenaw Atari Users' Group is hosting a meeting with Bob for
local Atari users, at the University of Michigan Student Union... if he's
still moving under his own power after that, there are a few nice spots
in Ann Arbor that we'll be sure he doesn't miss..
 
Monday Bob's scheduled to ride to Grand Rapids, Michigan to meet with the
users' group there.  Since the Atari Interface Magazine goes to press about
that time, Leo Sell, president of the CHAOS user group (and local fictional
writer) has volunteered to drive Bob across the state. Since that's my
day off, I might see about riding along with them... I love fairy tales...
 
Then Tuesday, Bob Brodie is to attend the regular monthly meeting of the
Michigan Atari Computer Enthusiasts.   MACE is one of the oldest, and at
one time, one of the largest Atari users' groups in the world.
We expect a recent record turnout to meet Bob, and hear what he has to say
about Atari Corp...
 
All in all, this should be a very memorable visit, both for the Atari users
of Michigan, and for Bob Brodie himself...!
 
As for what a user group needs to do to insure such a visit is a success,
you first need someone who cares enough about both the user group and the
Atari representative to make it all work. Pattie Rayl is the sparkplug
who almost single-handedly made the MACE Atari Expo of last year a
success, even in the face of interference and collusion between ST-World
and John Nagy.  When she heard Bob Brodie was to visit our area, just for
the Macintosh user group meeting, she immediately contacted him about
expanding his visit to include the Atari groups in the area, with the
eventual result of his spending at least four days here, and contacting
several users' groups during his stay.
 
Yes, by all means, meet him at the airport.  Take the time to make his stay
in your area enjoyable, not because he's from Atari, but because he's
a nice guy who's taking his time to visit your group.  Try to arrange the
maximum possible exposure for him, to make his trip as worthwhile as
possible, both for you, and for him.  Advertise his visit to your local
members, and to other Atari owners in the area.  Post flyers in local stores
and make special mailings to club members, both current and recently
expired.  The fact that someone from Atari Corp is willing to visit your
area may be enough to bring some former members "back to the fold".
 
It's been a long time since Atari Corp has had anyone like Bob Brodie
representing them (long time, hell.. I can't remember anyone EVER), so
it's worth the effort for everyone in the local groups to make the most
of his visit..!
 
BobR
 
(I'll let you know how Bob's trip to Michigan turns out...)
 
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 90 16:05:30 +0100
From: Arne Olav Sommer <arneso@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Calamus PD Fonts
Message-ID: <9002151504.AAhelblinde01048@helblinde.uio.no>
 
I  have just got hold of the following 24 CALAMUS PD Fonts
 
 Apple, Artdecoy, Bullet15, Bullet25, Bully, Bullyc, Camelot, Celtic,
 Classy, Cupertin, Dali, Hebrew, Manville, Math, Monroe, Oblique, Oldeng,
 Oldirish, Pioneer, Pittsbrg, Silic, Steela_z, Stilleto and Wolftrap.
 
They are all rather dissapointing, though, with lots of missing letters,
digits and symbols.  The intersting ones (in my humble opinion) are
Bullet15 & -25 with bullets, stars and the other famous symbols from
Timeworks DTP.  The Math font contains a number of mathematical symbols.
 
I will send them in zoo-ed and uucoded form to anyone interested.
Just send me a note.
 
A little warning, though.  The filesize is 166 kb (split in 3 parts to
avoid mail-server choking).
 
BTW  If anyone has other PD Calamus Fonts - please send them to me :-)
 
 
 
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arneso@ifi.uio.no -  Arne Sommer                    "Powder to the People"
 
 
 
 
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Date: 14 Feb 90 17:51:17 GMT
From: uvm-gen!pegram@uunet.uu.net  (pegram r)
Subject: Floppy drive 1.44 meg woes!
Message-ID: <1393@uvm-gen.UUCP>
 
From article <2103@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, by clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L.
 Freemesser):
 
>>  I'm haveing a few problems hooking up my 1.44 meg teac. I was wondering
 
>  From what I know, you can't use HD on the ST.  The controller chip
> can't handle it.  Just be glad it works in 720k mode.  :~)
>
> Chris Freemesser, Rochester Institute of Technology :BITNET:%clf3678@RITVAX
>     |||        ____________                         :GEnie: C.FREEMESSER
>     |||       /___    /          (and 8-bit too!)   :USENET: clf3678@rit.isc
>    / | \   ______/   /                              :        .edu
> Call the A.C.O.R.N BBS (716)436-3078, 300/1200 baud :<-or my BBS
 
Not True, details of the modifications necessary were posted in this
group by the designer (I believe) in December 1989.
 
If I get enough requests (say 10 or more) I will repost the pertinent
bits (edited that is, to save BW, is that ok Hase?) Email requests (on
internet) to pegram@griffin.uvm-gen.uvm.edu
 
I make no guarantees, as I haven't had the time to do the mod myself
yet, but it does make sense.  The basic idea is to double the clock to
the 1772, then set your seek rate to "6msec" (= 3msec for a 16Mhz clock).
There are 1 or 2 gotchas that can come up (hey, it happens with 720K
drives too!) and you are clocking the WD1772 beyond its design limit
(10Mhz limit, 16Mhz actual).
 
Bob Pegram  (pegram@griffin.uvm.edu) Univ. of Vt., Burlington, Vt., U.S.A.
 
U.S. snail:
R.F.D. 2, Box 2843, Vergennes, Vt, O5491, U.S.A.
 
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Date: 14 Feb 90 17:12:41 GMT
From: uvm-gen!pegram@uunet.uu.net  (pegram r)
Subject: FORMDIAL.PRG
Message-ID: <1392@uvm-gen.UUCP>
 
From article <1990Feb3.070418.13493@gumby.cc.wmich.edu>, by
 obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Mark O'Bryan):
 
Useful explanation deleted here (saying that formdial saves the screen
behind a dialog box, eliminating slow redraws when dialog box is removed).
 
> Most programs work OK with FormDial, but some don't and will hang, probably
                                           ~~~~~~~~~~~
 
UIS III also eliminates screen redraws when it disappears using the
same idea.  However, the feature is optional because - as the manual
points out - some programs are written badly and *depend* upon the
call to redraw the screen to realize that the "dialog" is over.  Time
Works Publisher ST is mentioned specifically, and some others that I
forget.  I expect that this is the bug that hangs programs with
formdial.  If this is what you meant by not balancing calls, it wasn't
very clear.
 
On a related note, what *is* the proper procedure in calling and
returning from dialogs - one that doesn't check for a screen redraw?
 
> because they got sloppy and don't balance their calls to formdial properly
> (just my guess).  Whether it's worthwhile for you will depend on how tight
> memory space is, and if you ever run ill-behaved programs that cause it
> to hang.
>
> --
> Mark T. O'Bryan                 Internet:  obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu
> Western Michigan University
> Kalamazoo, MI  49008
 
Bob Pegram (pegram@griffin.uvm.edu) Univ. of Vt. Burlington, VT.
 
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 90 14:47:54 MEZ
From: ONM07%DMSWWU1A.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Julian Reschke)
Subject: stderr
Message-ID: <9002151347.AA00844@freya.math.dmswwu>
 
In article <4955.25d2cc93@uwovax.uwo.ca> Eric Smith writes:
> How about this suggestion: if all programmers who use the Atari extended
> argument passing scheme (ARGV=, etc.) also agree that handle 2 should be
> stderr, then startup code could do:
>   if (*argv[0] == 0 && isatty(2)) Fforce(2, -1).
> (This assumes that argv[0] is an empty string if it isn't available, as
> specified by the ANSI standard). This way, ARGV compatible shells can
> redirect stderr to anything at all; non-ARGV compatible shells can redirect
> stderr to a file; and programs still correctly re-direct handle 2 when
> run from the desktop.
Sounds EASY, LOGICAL, PORTABLE etc. If now someone@atari would say:
"Do it this way" this would make a fine standard. At least it's better
than all other proposals.
 
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Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, "Julian Reschke" @ MAUS MS  (++49 251 80386)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
 
 
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 90 14:20+0100
From: "Dr. Michael Ritzert, Dept. Geophysics, University Mainz, BRD"
Subject: STs and Colleges: A Proposal
Message-ID: <900215132058.088552@DMZRZU71-UNI-MAINZ--GERMANY>
 
if You want to sell Atari computers to colleges, become an Atari dealer
and leave us alone with this useless discussion. Even Rich Covert's
Atari bashing (which I hated) was more interesting than this subject.
 
Dr. Michael Ritzert
Dept. Geophysics
University Mainz
West Germany
mjr@dmzrzu71.bitnet
 
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 90 14:32:34 MEZ
From: ONM07%DMSWWU1A.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Julian Reschke)
Subject: Support in Germany
Message-ID: <9002151332.AA00653@freya.math.dmswwu>
 
In article <BAMMI.90Feb13160032@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.Edu> Jwahar R. Bammi
writes:
 
>       Who is "we". the reason i ask is that atariUS is refusing to
> distribute source code for gemdos/bios here like they used to with the
> developer kit. i am curious if atari germany if distributing it to
> developers there.
 
Atari Germany is definitively NOT distributing any sources to developers.
All You get are copies of release notes, if they make their way to
Germany. The only kind of REAL support You get as german developer is
HERE. Thanx Ken & Allan.
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Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, "Julian Reschke" @ MAUS MS  (++49 251 80386)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
 
 
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Date: 15 Feb 90 13:46:40 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!me
 phisto!prism!iadt3tb@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (T. Terrell Banks)
Subject: Wordperfect newer release
Message-ID: <6024@hydra.gatech.EDU>
 
Is there an educational version/discount program for Wordperfect?
If so, where/who do I contact about getting it and does anyone know
the approximate cost.
 
             Thanks,
                 Terry
 
--
T. Terrell Banks  uucp:  ? 'insert a backbone name here' ?!gatech!prism!iadt3tb
Georgia Insitute of Technology - I.S.A.      Internet: iadt3tb@prism.gatech.edu
190 Third Street NW                                     Bitnet : iadt3tb@gitvm1
Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0185
 
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Date: (null)
From: (null)
 
To: info-atari16
 
Subject: value of 1040
 
 
I am considering selling my 1040 if I can get a good price. Does anyone
know the going price for the following system?
 
1040st with color and monochrome monitor.
 
Also comes with the following software.
 
Pagestream 1.8
DBman (version 1. I believe, I never upgraded.)
PSION chess
Leader Board
Degas Elite
1st Word
Assorted Pub Domain
 
Please email me directly, I do not receive this digest.
 
Thanks,
 
Norm Frech ( frech@MWRAAA.ARMY.MIL )
 
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