 
INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu,  5 Apr 90       Volume 90 : Issue  408
 
Today's Topics:
                      Amiga/Atari help (2 msgs)
                       MONOCHROME MONITOR BLUES
               NEC 3D and NEC GS multisync monitors...
                 NeoDesk, DegaDesk, NewBell Switcher
                       POSTSCRIPT -> PageStream
                     Start TOS.IMG from Harddisk
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Date: 5 Apr 90 09:25:03 GMT
From: mrose@sbcs.sunysb.edu  (Michael Rose)
Subject: Amiga/Atari help
Message-ID: <7363@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
 
In article <10365.2619c11a@zeus.unomaha.edu> fh007@zeus.unomaha.edu writes
 
>5-The Amiga has a custom chip set that takes care of many processor jobs,
>  speeding up programs that have heavy data movement and such. The graphics
>  have 4096 colors, displayable all at once. Don't throw away your software,
>  you can get the Mac emulator. The amiga 3.5 has 880k where the Atari has
                                                                  ~~~~~~~~~
>  about half. You can get a hardware emulator for a 286 pc.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~                                   Bob
 
What do you mean "Atari has about half."  All Atari machines in production
come with 720k 3.5 inch drives.  These disks are in IBM format and can be
exchanged between Atari and IBM and Clones.  The Disks can be formatted up to
956K, I believe, but this is unreliable.  There are several Mac Emulators
for the Atari ST.  In my opinion the Best is Spectra GCR by Dave Small of
Gadgets by Small.  It lets you read and right directly to Mac disks and
use a partition of your ST's hard drive as a Mac hard drive.  The Mac
emulator for the Amiga required that you have access to a real Mac to
transfer software over to its non-standard disk format or purchase a real
Mac disk drive to attach to the Amiga.  Also, as far as I know, the Amiga
Mac emulator does not allow you to access your hard drive (this may change).
When using the Amiga in 640 x 400 mode, it suffers from interlacing, and the
screen flickers.  This drives me crazy!  This will be corrected when the
Extended Chip Set is available, but this also requires a new monitor.
On the ST, you get 640 x 400 resolution in Monochrome (Like on a Mac) with
out any flicker, in fact it looks sharper then the Mac's screen and it is
bigger.  It is also possible to overscan on the ST like the Amiga, this is
a very simple modification and I think cost approx $5.
        There are also several IBM emulators for the ST.  Some are internal
modifications and others are plug in boxes that operate concurrently with
the ST and let you switch between the two environments.  I have heard of
one that has a 386 on the board, but I have not seen it yet.
 
 
                                -Michael Rose
 
 
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Date: 5 Apr 90 09:57:38 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!walt.cc.utexas.edu!lshaw@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (logan shaw)
Subject: Amiga/Atari help
Message-ID: <27571@ut-emx.UUCP>
 
In article <1990Apr4.235543.24355@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> cs325ec@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 (Gregory Lemperle-Kerr) writes:
>
>
>       Just wondering why all these lame Amiga users are posting and not
>       many Atari users...
 
Perhaps because this is comp.sys.amiga?  Oh, and I'm glad to know that by
virtue of the fact that I use an Amiga I am lame.
 
>       The Amax from what I have heard (that is the Amiga's mac emulator)
>       is like a tadpole in the pond of mac emulators whereas Spectre on
>       the Atari approaches the bullfrog.
 
Well, it runs faster than a Mac SE... on a stock Amiga.  It's definitely
not shabby, and I've _seen_ it run.  But I won't say that Spectre isn't
any good, because I haven't seen it.
 
>       Atari has the added bonus that many of its users are hacks (like
>       me) who know much about computers in general.  I don't know of
>       many other computers with as many cheap ways to enhance it.  e.g.
>       The mod to expand the screen to 832x512(about), memory upgrade
>       without cards... etc.
 
The Amiga, in the beginning, was owned almost exclusively by hackers.
Besides, a stock Amiga can do 768x480 without any hardware mod.
 
>       Dave Small apparently has a 68030 card working for an ST that he
>       will market...?
 
GVP, Ronin, and Commodore _definitely_ already have 68030 cards working for
the Amiga that they _have_been_ marketing...  GVP has about 5 models, too,
including one thats 40 mhz.
 
>       The Amiga is also in another price range.  (higher)
 
You can buy an Atari ST system (computer, monitor, two drives, 1 MB) for less
than $1000 dollars?
 
>       4096 colours are real pretty, if that's what makes your motor run.
 
So maybe it is and that's why I like my Amiga...
 
>       512 are good enough for me.
 
That's your personal preference.
 
>       There is another hardware mod from Germany for the atari that allows
>       the monochrome monitor to work in the colour resolutions using
>       grey scales.
 
How revolutionary.
 
>       Insight:  You had a Mac...  you'll probably get an Amiga except...
>               You ditched a Mac... you should get an Atari ST.
>
>       -- Greg
 
You _should_ get whatever you feel is the best machine for you.  As you may
have noticed, I can argue with you all day about which machine is better and
neither of us will concede.  That's because we _both_ like our machines.  If
you weren't happy with your machine, you wouldn't argue for it, and I wouldn't
argue for my machine if I didn't like mine.
 
If I were a techo-peasant and had absolutely no idea what to do when I sat
down at a computer, I'd get a Mac, simply because its practically guaranteed
to be easy to use.  That's its strong point.  If I wanted to do MIDI, I'd buy
an Atari ST.  Since I like what the Amiga does for me, that's what I have.
 
 
______________________________________________________________________________
Logan Shaw              \ "We all know you haven't lost your mind... but if
lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu \ you close your eyes you're just the same as blind."
Phone: (512) 476-2749     \         -Greg X. Volz
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 21:57:25 GMT
From: pacbell!rbdc!mccann@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Mike McCann)
Subject: MONOCHROME MONITOR BLUES
Message-ID: <1990Apr4.215725.2322@rbdc>
 
I should be getting a nearly-new monitor (just bought, used, but not much) by
 UPS in about a week. It came as part of a system and I don't need it, will be
 willing to sell it (COD only) for $115 sight unseen (as yet, by me). SM124. I
 offer COD only as a mutual protection. Call me at 919-760-3438
 evenings/weekends Eastern time if interested.
 
EOF
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 22:02:57 GMT
From: pacbell!rbdc!mccann@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Mike McCann)
Subject: NEC 3D and NEC GS multisync monitors...
Message-ID: <1990Apr4.220257.2401@rbdc>
 
Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (Z4648252) writes:
 
 
>    Could someone who has experience with both the Atari RGB and monochrome
>monitors comment on how the NEC 3D and NEC GS multisync monitors compare
>in relation to the Atari products?  Please???  The main focus would be how
>sharp the monochrome is compared to the Atari monochrome monitor.  Also,
>regarding the NEC 3D, how rich is its color when compared to the Atari
>RGB?
>    Many thanks....
I have the 33D and all I can say is, it is very nice. You need to adjust it very
 exactly, but once that is done that is it, it offers virtually perfect color
 and mono, I'd salent, it is LARGER than sm124 yet just as sharp (actually
 SHARPER in corners in my opinion).
 
EOF
>Larry Rymal:  |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
 
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Date: 5 Apr 90 06:34:00 GMT
From: tank!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs325ec@handies.ucar.edu
Subject: NeoDesk, DegaDesk, NewBell Switcher
Message-ID: <16000037@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 
        Now at terminator... soon in comp.binaries...
 
        SWITCHER.LZH:
                contains source & binaries for:
 
                NRPS 2.0 NeoDesk Random Picture Selector
                DRPS 2.0 DegaDesk Random Picture Selector
                NBRSS 1.0: NewBell Randome Sound Selector
 
        Eases the use of NewBell... more than ten sounds... no need to
        type the names into NewBell.dat
 
        -- Brought to you by me.
        -- Small (each ca. 2000 bytes)
        -- Configurable (Somewhat)
 
        -- Free
        -- Turbo C 2.0 Source
 
                -- Gregory Mathias Lemperle-Kerr
 
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Date: 5 Apr 90 04:11:00 GMT
From: tank!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs325ec@handies.ucar.edu
Subject: POSTSCRIPT -> PageStream
Message-ID: <16000036@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 
        I have a picture in Adobe-2.0 postscript and I tried to import
        it into PageStream using the EPS import.  It did not work, all
        that was left of Mr. Simpson was a square with an x through it.
 
        Does anyone have any idea as to how to get this thing in a format
        PageStream or EasyDraw or MacDraw II will understand?
 
        Thanks.
 
        -- Greg
 
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 90 10:24:58 GMT
From: Michael Mueller <K298027%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Start TOS.IMG from Harddisk
 
Hi everybody,
 
I just bought a megafile 30 for my ST and I got stuck into a problem. I'd
like to load TOS.IMG when I boot from the hard disk. Is it possible ?
 
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Michael Mueller, Brain Research Institute, CH-8029 Zuerich, Switzerland
Phone: +41 1 385 63 62
E-mail: <K298027@CZHRZU1A.BITNET>
 
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