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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu, 25 Jan 90       Volume 90 : Issue  102
 
Today's Topics:
                                (none)
                      Atari TT: Threat to IIcx?
                      GNU-Emacs 18.55--availabl
                      High Sierra CD-ROM format
                          Keyboard Question
                            MAC SHAREWARE
                      Need help w/WWST (2 msgs)
                      Small-Medium Business Acc
                   ST S/ware Rental Places (2 msgs)
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Date: 25 Jan 90 13:55:40 GMT
From: ucsdhub!hp-sdd!hplabsy!otter!gjh@ucsd.edu  (Graham Higgins)
Subject: (none)
Message-ID: <570052@otter.hpl.hp.com>
 
Yes, STWorld seems to be the best of the bunch for "serious" ST coverage.
 
I logon to a BBS (CIX, U.K. "equivalent" of BIX) which is quite heavily
frequented by some of the STWorld journos and the editor and they seem to be
quite knowledgeable, articulate and approachable.
 
I wrote a short product review for them and only one minor (clarification)
change to my text was made.
 
Graham
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Date: 25 Jan 90 14:06:13 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!klute%heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de@uunet.uu.net
 (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Atari TT: Threat to IIcx?
Message-ID: <1920@laura.UUCP>
 
In article <1990Jan24.115700.7992@uwasa.fi> hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama LAKE)
 writes:
>Hey you Germans! Is it true that you have TT shipping
>there?
 
I have not seen one yet.
 
  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      klute@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
  Univ. Dortmund, IRB             klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
  Postfach 500500         |)|/    ...uunet!mcvax!unido!klute
D-4600 Dortmund 50        |\|\    Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
 
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Date: 24 Jan 90 21:14:00 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt
 !tmsoft!masnet!canremote!david.schreiber@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (DAVID
 SCHREIBER)
Subject: GNU-Emacs 18.55--availabl
Message-ID: <90012422213666@masnet.uucp>
 
  All this talk about Unix and GNU Emacs reminds me - it was through a
GNU Emacs text editor that the Hamburg Hacker got into all those
Nato,CIA, etc. computers. A "hole" nobody else knew about. I suppose
everybody's patched it all up by now?  Read "The Cuckoo's Egg".
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 ? Via ProDoor 3.2aR
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 15:44:24 GMT
From: att!chinet!saj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: High Sierra CD-ROM format
Message-ID: <1990Jan25.154424.10907@chinet.chi.il.us>
 
In article <17179@laurel.athertn.Atherton.COM> alex@Atherton.COM (Alex Leavens)
 writes:
>Is anybody familiar with the High Sierra CD-ROM format
>spec, and if so, how/where I can get information on it?
>
This is a pet peeve of mine.  I spent a bunch of phone time long distance to
people who should know CD-ROM.  Apparently the High Sierra format 'bible' is
a book 'published' by Sony.  If you have an especially good story, they'll
either sell or give you a copy.  I didn't have a good enough story to get
through at all.  Besides that, the number of different things that can call
themselves 'High Sierra format' is daunting.  As far as I can tell, the
standard covers finding arbitrary storage 'chunks', and finding the start
of 'files', but nothing at all about file organization (like where are all
the 'chunks' that belong to a file AFTER the first one).  I could easily be
wrong--after all, I couldn't get the information.
                                     Steve J.
 
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Date: 26 Jan 90 05:15:44 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.edu!fs
 ucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Keyboard Question
Message-ID: <9001260516.AA01809@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <21945@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth)
 writes:
>Hi world...
>
>A few questions.  First, It seems to me that it should be an easy
>matter to put a  detachable keyboard on the 1040 ST.  Does any company
>sell such a product or is there a simple way of doing it that does NOT
>involve  a saw?
>
>Also, I have heard that there are alternate cases out there for the
>ST (Designer cases?).  Does anyone have any info on this?  If so, who
>makes them, how can I reach them?
>
 
Tech Specialities makes some cases.  They use the existing keyboard, but
in a detachable-type enclosure (part of which is the old cover).  I posted
this info before to an inquiry, and several netters spoke of bad experiences
with this company.  I do not know, because I have never bought anything from
them.  I do like their catalog though, lots of good info in there.  Their
address and phone are:
 
       Tech Specialities
       909 Crosstimbers St.
       Houston, TX  77022
       (713) 691-4527/8
 
I suggest you request a catalog, they gave me one with a phone call.
 
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>*     Christoper Roth                         *  "Machines have no
>*     InterNet  :  cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu      *   Conscience..."
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Post No Bills-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
 
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 23:26:15 EST
From: Robert McCoy <CS31217%UTCVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: MAC SHAREWARE
 
I've got the 512K blues.  I'm using a 520STfm with a double-sided drive
and the RAM mounted under the power supply.  A friend and I installed
sixteen 256K chips in the second bank.  At first, the ST wouldn't even
boot with the chips installed, but after looking at a similar 1040ST,
we put in a few resistors and that problem was stopped.  To the best
of our testing ability, all the chips work, but the MMU ignores the
second bank by sending the CAS line to HIGH.  Does anyone have any
suggestions?
                       Thanks in advance,
                       Robert McCoy (Chattanooga Atari Owners Symposium)
                       CS31217@UTCVM.bitnet
 
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Date: 24 Jan 90 20:38:00 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!jarv
 is.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!david.schreiber@tut.cis.ohi
 o-state.edu  (DAVID SCHREIBER)
Subject: Need help w/WWST
Message-ID: <90012422213594@masnet.uucp>
 
  The problem is probably that Word Writer accepts the ASCII file but
the carriage returns stay in when you try to reformat, right? I'm afaird
that not only WW that does it. You have to strip out those hard CR's.
DCopy288 will do it.
 
/s
 
 
 
 
 
 
:RJgF#RIvS'7
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Date: 24 Jan 90 21:00:00 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt
 !tmsoft!masnet!canremote!david.schreiber@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (DAVID
 SCHREIBER)
Subject: Need help w/WWST
Message-ID: <90012422213611@masnet.uucp>
 
   I gather that your problem is this - you import an ASCII file into
Word Writer and find that when you try to reformat, the carriage returns
get in the way. You can't get rid of the original 'hard' CR's. WW is not
the only program that has this problem. Word Perfect also has it, for
one. You have to strip out those CR's. You can do that by using
DCopy288. It has a command for stripping CR's. Let me know if this
solves all your prblems.
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 ? Via ProDoor 3.2aR
 
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Date: 24 Jan 90 21:04:00 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt
 !tmsoft!masnet!canremote!david.schreiber@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (DAVID
 SCHREIBER)
Subject: Small-Medium Business Acc
Message-ID: <90012422213649@masnet.uucp>
 
  I believe Pha$ar will handle the accounts of a small business. You
might also ask about ST Accounts, although it does not have the greatest
rep.
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 ? Via ProDoor 3.2aR
 
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Date: 26 Jan 90 04:52:20 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!pawl!kudla@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Robert
 J. Kudla)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <NVXS1~@rpi.edu>
 
In <26747@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
 
-> Movie theft continues, but not to the same degree. A video pirate cannot
-> easily mass produce or copy films without a great deal of equipment or
-> time. A software pirate can literally mass produce 100's of copies
-> of software an hour.
 
Oh, please. Now you're becoming sensationalistic. Even with four
floppies, it takes a good couple minutes to set everything up, copy
the disk, etc. Most swap meets I went to in my C64 days were barely
organized and you'd be lucky if each person came away with ten new
programs after a few hours of copying (and this was int he days of the
15-second copy). With protection, it might be necessary to tweak
things till they come out right, reducing efficiency further. I can
see perhaps even 50 copies in an hour, but "100's"? Baloney.
--
Robert Jude Kudla  <kudla@pawl.rpi.edu>
 
"Famous? I'm not famous. People come up to me after a show and say
    'Hey, Steve!'"
                                -Jon Anderson
 
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Date: 26 Jan 90 04:48:05 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!pawl!kudla@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Robert
 J. Kudla)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <JVX+Z~@rpi.edu>
 
In <26640@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
 
-> Several of you (Phil, Greg) are missing my point. I am willing to
-> accept the premise that you two are honest. *No one* is accusing
-> you of being otherwise. If you borrow a friends software to test it
-> out fine. If you can talk a dealer into giving you a demo, fine. If
-> you can get a demo from the publisher, fine. I have done all three
-> of these things, either returning my copy if I didn't want it, or
-> buying it if I did.  However: software rental places are open
-> inventations for all the non-Gregs and non-Phils to easily copy
-> (i.e. STEAL) software.
 
I'm only going to dispute this one point, as you have consistently
glossed it over every single time you've rebutted other peoples'
arguments.
 
What you refuse to concede is that *most dealers and publishers do not
demo software*. Period. Perhaps 5-20% of the high-end commercial
programs out there have demo versions (the number is even smaller for
inexpensive programs), and maybe 2-5% of dealers (and then only the
ones who sell hardware to begin with) will do an in-store demo.
 
Further, most dealers have no-return policies because they think too
much like you- that nearly everyone who returns a product that sucks
has in fact copied it and will distribute it.  Presumably the
existence of copy-protection on many programs should give the dealers
a reason to accept returns, yes? No? Then why have the protection on
there in the first place?
 
Please, if you're going to flame me about economic infeasibility and
how the market would simply shrivel up if dealers accepted returns in
lieu of doing demos, at least concede that one point- that most
programs in most places cannot be demoed and the buyer is, in effect,
buying blind.
--
Robert Jude Kudla  <kudla@pawl.rpi.edu>
 
"Famous? I'm not famous. People come up to me after a show and say
    'Hey, Steve!'"
                                -Jon Anderson
 
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