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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon, 29 Jan 90       Volume 90 : Issue  117
 
Today's Topics:
                 Amiga Disks read by ST & vice versa
                        Atari 1040 ST for sale
                         Atari 520ST for sale
                  Online Magazines for ST and 8bits
                   Strange (?) Problem, need help!
                          Tape Drive Backup
                        TOS 1.6 and the 68030
                          TOS 1.6 versions?
                        VGA monitor with a ST
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Date: 29 Jan 90 12:10:27 GMT
From: sgi!shinobu!odin!odin.corp.sgi.com!portuesi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Michael
 Portuesi)
Subject: Amiga Disks read by ST & vice versa
Message-ID: <PORTUESI.90Jan29121027@tweezers.esd.sgi.com>
 
>>>>> On 24 Jan 90 19:01:14 GMT, root@sally (Philipp Roeder) said:
 
philipp> HI.. does anybody know a possibility to read Atari Disks with an Amiga
philipp> and Amiga Disks with the Atari ST ?
philipp> A friend of mine has got a mailbox. The host is an Amiga. So I want
philipp> to give him some PD-Arc-files for download. But I can't bring my ST to
 him
philipp> so we cannot transfer the files by RS-232 direktly.
 
The Amiga can read and write MS-DOS and Atari ST format disks.
Commodore provides a PC-Utils program that can read/write IBM format,
but only to 5 1/4" disks.  There is a free program called PCPatch
which patches the Commodore software to handle 3 1/2" disks.  It comes
with a configuration file to read/write/format Atari ST disks, as
well.  It has appeared on Usenet in the past, and is available from
the standard places with Amiga FTP archives, as well as the Fish disk
collection.  If you really need help, email or post and I'll try to
email you the software (ack! I've revealed myself as a closet Amiga
owner!)
 
I do not believe it is possible to read/write Amiga disks with the
standard Atari ST drive, or at least I haven't heard of anybody who's
written a hack to do so.  The Amiga uses a bizarre disk format in
which it reads/writes entire tracks of data at a time, with no sector
gaps.  Most disk controllers choke on this format.
 
                                --M
--
__  Michael Portuesi    Silicon Graphics Computer Systems
\/  portuesi@sgi.com    Entry Systems Division -- Engineering
 
    "We only know in theory what we are doing" -- Kate Bush
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 18:24:06 GMT
From: green.cs.wisc.edu!fagan@speedy.wisc.edu  (Michael S. Fagan)
Subject: Atari 1040 ST for sale
Message-ID: <9634@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
 
For Sale:       Atari ST System
Price:          $1500
 
Contact:        Michael S. Fagan
E-mail:         fagan@green.cs.wisc.edu
                >INTERNET:fagan@green.cs.wisc.edu       (for CIS users only)
Phone:          (608) 255-1802
 
Hardware (with original boxes)
--------
Atari 1040ST with TOS 1.4 in ROM
Atari 20 Meg Hard Drive (SH204)
Atari Color Monitor (SC1224)
Panasonic Printer (KX-P1092)
Qubie 1200 Baud Modem (212A/1200E)
LogiKhron Clock Module (LCM-2000)
Magic Sac+
 
Software (with Manuals)
--------
Atari:                  Distribution (ST Basic, ST Logo, First Word)
                        Developer's Kit
                        Crystal Castles
Timeworks:              Word Writer
                        SwiftCalc
                        Data Manager ST
Metacomco:              Lattice C
Illiad Software:        CircuitMaker
Beckmeyer:              Hard Disk Toolkit
 
Books
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Abacus: Graphics and Sound, ST Internals, GEM Programmer's Reference,
        Peeks and Pokes, Tricks and Tips, Machine Language, Introduction
        to MIDI Programming
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 22:29:19 GMT
From:
 mailrus!uwm.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!nic.MR.NET!thor.acc.stolaf.edu!agnes.ac
 c.stolaf.edu!movold@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Atari 520ST for sale
Message-ID: <11060@thor.acc.stolaf.edu>
 
I am selling all of the following for $575.
 
        Atari color 520ST with ss drive and original TOS in ROM.
        Panasonic KX-P1091 printer.
        About 50 disk, most of which are STart and Compute magazine disks
        and various digitized things.
        Other miscellaneous things such as joysticks.
 
        If you don't want the printer, subtract $100.
 
        I think this is a good deal, but if someone thinks it's either too
        high or too low, let me know. (Even if you don't plan on buying it)
 
        I will not be able to reply until about the 8th, since I am going on
        a vacation.
 
        -Erik Movold
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 19:17:44 GMT
From:
 swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!aplcen!haven!uvaarpa!murdoch!bessel.acc.Virginia.
 EDU!gl8f@ucsd.edu  (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Online Magazines for ST and 8bits
Message-ID: <1990Jan29.191744.3146@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 
Two online magazines are available via a mailing list. They
are:
 
       ZNet          (Atari ST and a little 8bit coverage)
       ST Report     (Atari ST)
 
If you are interested in subscribing to these magazines, please send
me mail (do _not_ post an article) asking to be added.  Both magazines
are weekly and run 40k to 80k in length. And they're free.
 
Back issues are (allegedly) available via anonymous FTP from the
Terminator archive. The Internet address is "terminator.cc.umich.edu".
 
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Greg Lindahl
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 17:42:46 GMT
From: psuvm!o12@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu
Subject: Strange (?) Problem, need help!
Message-ID: <90029.124246O12@PSUVM.BITNET>
 
Hello Everyone,
 
I have a rather strange problem, I have written a GEM application
which uses AES and LINE-A calls, and suffice it to say, it runs
perfectly fine but has trouble exiting to the desktop
properly and displays 3 bombs.
 
The really wierd thing is the application runs and exits fine when
launched from a shell other than the desktop, but then causes the
SHELL to crash when you try exiting it to the desktop with 3 or 4
bombs. Other programs can be launched from the shell before exiting it
without error, the shell only crashes upon attempting to exit to the desktop.
 
I did use rsrc_free() and appl_exit() to cleanup before exiting, and I
do not use any windows, only a menu bar and dialog boxes. Any ideas ?
 
Thanks for your time..
                                    -JtK
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 17:15:50 GMT
From: orc!oliveb!pyramid!athertn!alex@decwrl.dec.com  (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Tape Drive Backup
Message-ID: <17425@laurel.athertn.Atherton.COM>
 
I got so many queries regarding this information, that I thought
I general posting would be of value.
 
The system in question is available from Berkley MicroSystems, in
Berkley, California.  It uses a standard size Un*x style cartridge
tape mechanism and tapes (unlike the ICD unit, which
uses a non-standard size) to allow you to backup/restore your
hard-disc partitions on a file-system basis
(there is no image backup yet).  Tape cartridge prices run about
$15 each (less if you go to swap meets, where used Sun Microsystems tapes
can be found for as little as $5).  Disc to tape speed averages
about a meg a minute, which means that the average 10 meg partition
can be backed up (assuming it's completely full) in roughly 10 minutes.
One nice thing is that the backup doesn't need to be monitored,
so you can be off doing something else while your hard disc gets backed up.
(Like sleeping...:-)
 
Berkley MicroSystems will sell you a complete system (tape drive, controller,
SCSI<->ASCI board, software) for $650.  However, they say that since the
cost of the tape drives mechanisms is so cheap, you can probably do a
lot better by going out and buying a used tape drive yourself, and
just buying from them the controller card (which is apparently
the difficult item to get ahold of [I think their price is $100])
and their SCSI<->ASCI board [?$150] (if you need it).
 
One caveat--you will need some technical expertise in order to put
this system together.  While SCSI stuff is pretty much plug and play
these days, there is still a certain level of knowledge needed in order
to prevent yourself from frying expensive components.  (This is not
a 'take it out of the box and run it' type system, you will have
to get your hands dirty and assemble it.)  Given that
caution, if you're in the market for an inexpensive tape backup,
Berkley MicroSystems is definitely worth a look.  You can reach
them at (415)-547-2191.
 
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|--alex | alex@Atherton.COM |  Caution!  Falling Opinions, next 6 miles   |
|        Now who are you gonna believe--me, or your own lyin' eyes?       |
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Date: 29 Jan 90 17:49:13 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!hh%trillian@uunet.uu.net
Subject: TOS 1.6 and the 68030
Message-ID: <1924@laura.UUCP>
 
Path: trillian
!hh
 
In article <1071@dutrun.UUCP> etelree@dutrun.UUCP (C.van Reeuwijk) writes:
>An while I'm at the subject: could Atari release details about the
>programming of the STE? I would love to get one if I could use its
>extended possibilities. Sorry, I can't afford to become I registered
>developer for this. I am just hacking on the Atari as a hobby, and
>the required $100 or $200 is just too big a dent in my budget for that.
>
>In my opinion there are a *lot* of ST users who would like to get the
>real info on the ST instead of the unreliable books that are sold
>today. Thus, I strongly disagree with Ken (was it Ken?) who thinks that
>there would be no market for this. After all, since there has been
>little advertising of the ST, ST owners tend to be people who know the
>field, and know that a bad ST is better than a good mess-dos machine.
>(This is not a flame to Ken, just a difference of opinion.)
 
True. TRUE! VERY TRUE!
 
Did anyone get infos about the extended features? Would you mail me? Or
maybe you could post where you got it from...
 
Many thanx in advance,
Hasko
Snail mail:        | E mail: hh@trillian.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Hasko Heinecke     +-------------------------------------------------
Ostenbergstr. 97   | Computers are different from telephones!
D-4600 Dortmund 50 | Computers do not ring!        -Tanenbaum
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 18:03:15 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!hh%trillian@uunet.uu.net
Subject: TOS 1.6 versions?
Message-ID: <1925@laura.UUCP>
 
Path: trillian
!hh
 
Hi, folks,
 
Some time ago I read about two versions of TOS 1.6. Do they exist? What's
the difference? How do I know which one I'm using? How do I use the extended
features of the STE? 'nuff questions?
 
Desperately waiting for _YOUR_ answer,
Hasko
 
 
Snail mail:        | E mail: hh@trillian.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Hasko Heinecke     +-------------------------------------------------
Ostenbergstr. 97   | Computers are different from telephones!
D-4600 Dortmund 50 | Computers do not ring!        -Tanenbaum
 
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 90 15:33:36 EST
From: Ryan Collins <RC1DSANU%MIAMIU.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: VGA monitor with a ST
 
I know this has probably been answered before, but I was wondering how
hard it would be on hooking up a VGA monitor to my ST so I can get all
three resolutions with on monitor. I've seen this one Magnavox monitor
that can run at 70 khz and can support the resolution of a ST, but would
it just require a special cable, or would some hardware be involved?
 
   Thanks for the info,
 
           Ryan Collins
         rc1dsanu@miamiu.bitnet
 
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