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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri,  9 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  176
 
Today's Topics:
              Dave Small: PLEASE tell us about Appletalk
                              Geneology
                         Hard drive question
                             New SH205's
                OK, so they sell the STe in Europe...
                         Resettable RAM Disk
                       ST S/ware Rental Places
           Using Atari mono-monitor as a composite monitor
                          WHERE IS THE ABAQ?
                                 Zoo
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 90 21:58:00 EST
From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Dave Small: PLEASE tell us about Appletalk
Message-ID: <90Feb8.215945est.58584@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
Please, please tell more about Appletalk for the ST.
 
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Date: 7 Feb 90 15:43:57 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Geneology
Message-ID: <1272@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
Previously posted: but it seems to have been swallowed by the net Gods.
 
I am looking for a good geneology (family tree) program.
Anyone out there use one or more of them, and if so, what
are your opinions of:
        ease of entry
        ability to edit or add to existing entries
        outputs
 
Thank you
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
=====NEW address====
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 7 Feb 90 14:51:37 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Hard drive question
Message-ID: <1271@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <22136@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher
 Roth) writes:
> I have a hard drive question.  I have this supradrive 20 meg.  The
> media is dead.  Can I just buy any old drive mechanism of any old size
> and drop it in there?
>
Basicly, Yes!
1.  Make sure that the replacement is the same type.  That is, MFM, RLL, SCSI.
2.  Give some thought to the power supply capacity in the SUPRA box.  As
    they supported many drives, it can probably handle whatever you buy.
 
If there is an Adaptec 4000A inside, its MFM.
If there is an Adaptec 4070A inside, its RLL.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
=====NEW address====
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 8 Feb 90 17:49:56 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!ephemeral.ai.toronto.
 edu!omicron.cs.fsu.edu!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mickey
 Boyd)
Subject: New SH205's
Message-ID: <9002081749.AA06029@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <273@pallas.athenanet.com>, lbert359@pallas.athenanet.com (Lee
 Bertagnolli) writes:
>
>For sale:
>
>Two *brand new, never been out of the box* Atari SH205 disk drives.
>Make an offer...
>
>Lee Bertagnolli
>?uunet?!pallas!lbert359
>lbert359@athenanet.com
 
Are those the single or double sided drives?  I would be interested in a double.
 
 
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         Mickey Boyd                 |    "Nobody can be exactly like me.
                                     |      Even I have trouble doing it."
             FSU Comp Sci            |              - Tallulah Bankhead
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Date: 9 Feb 90 06:03:56 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!uci-ics!jvance@tut.cis.ohio-sta
 te.edu  (Joachim Patrick Vance)
Subject: OK, so they sell the STe in Europe...
Message-ID: <25D25D4C.14957@paris.ics.uci.edu>
 
In article <4876ef20.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
writes:
>  (stuff deleted..)
>
>The is NO REASON for Atari STs to be so poorly marketed here in the USA.
>With a better marketing and distribution system, the USA could easily lead
>Europe in sales of Atari products!
> (more deleted..)
>Without good marketing, your product is dead. And Atari Corp has
>never had decent marketing and dsitribution here in the USA.
 
  Sure, there is a great reason, and you hit it on the nose.
Atari has *NEVER* been any good at marketing in the U.S.
And they don't seem to be heading in the right direction yet either.
Atari is able to make decent to good products
inexpensively and they sell them where people appreciate that,
Europe mainly, and most other countries except the U.S.  Marketing
here takes a lot of know how that Atari just doesn't have.  Besides,
the cost that it takes to meet the FCC regulations in the U.S. just
doesn't seem to fit with Atari's "make 'em as cheap as possible"
policy.  The end result: America doesn't get many computers from Atari.
 
--
Joachim
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| jvance@ics.uci.edu |      -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -       |
?????????????????????? They're both Under Construction Indefinately.|
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 02:29:32 GMT
From: portal!portal!cup.portal.com!buggs@apple.com  (William Edward JuneJr)
Subject: Resettable RAM Disk
Message-ID: <26742@cup.portal.com>
 
>Steven W. Klassen                       +-----------------------------+
>Computer Science Major                  | Support the poor...buy fur! |
>University of Waterloo                  +-----------------------------+
 
Thanks for the info on the MWC ramdisk, I'll try again.
 
Ed June
 
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Date: 8 Feb 90 16:23:57 GMT
From: att!cbnewsc!kimes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Kit Kimes)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <13404@cbnewsc.ATT.COM>
 
From article <28201@brunix.UUCP>, by rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo):
>
> The reason I can say this is because I have attended ST User Group
> meetings in three different communities. In all three cases, the
> scene is entirely the same: a brief meeting is held, some software
> is demoed, then what can only be described as an orgy of software
> piracy begins. Its mallicious, its organized, and its massive.
 
I find this very hard to believe.  I belong to a Users Group (LAUG)
in St. Charles, IL (west of Chicago).  We are extremely anti-piracy.
There are no copyrighted programs in our Library and we do not
allow any to be brought to the meetings or exchanged there.  I know
that the policy at SCAT (another Chicago users group) is the same.
 
I would be naive to think that no one there has these type of
programs at home, but they are not brought or discussed at any of
our meetings.  I just can't imagine there are very many Atari User
Groups that condone such activity.  Are you sure that you aren't
a MS-DOSer trying to spread rumors?
 
Kit Kimes
AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville, IL
...!att!iwtsa!kimes
 
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Date: 8 Feb 90 14:38:53 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Using Atari mono-monitor as a composite monitor
Message-ID: <1276@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <21880@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, etruscan@cory.Berkeley.EDU (D.J.
 Schmidt-Bandoni) writes:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if the Atari monochrome monitor can be used as a
> composite monitor?  I know this would require making a special cable,
 
NO it cannot be used this way.  The screen runs at 70 frames/sec on an
Atari Mono monitor.  Composite (TV Compatible) is 60 frames/sec.
 
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
=====NEW address====
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 90 21:54:00 EST
From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Subject: WHERE IS THE ABAQ?
Message-ID: <90Feb8.215641est.58581@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
The publication Parallelogram, devoted to parallel processing, stated in
the Nov 89 issue that there are >200 ATWs installed worldwide. For somone
looking for info on parallel processing systems, I suggest you look in
publications devoted to these machines.
 
This note is in response to the query, 'Where is the ABAQ'
 
If 200 machines seems like small potatoes, on the back cover of the issue
MEIKO Scientific boasted about the fact that they have >200 workstations
installed world wide! The same people who would bash Atari for only 200
installations would not dare flame anyone else!
 
Has anyone seen Atari's latest figures on the number of STs and Megas installed
worldwide?
 
To get Parallelogram, write to Parallel Publishing, Freepost, LONDON
N3 2BR (England)
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 01:38:34 GMT
From: bnrgate!bcars223!fortinp@uunet.uu.net  (Pierre Fortin)
Subject: Zoo
Message-ID: <862@bnrgate.bnr.ca>
 
In article <1195@bdt.UUCP>, david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) writes:
>
[deleted]
> Every time I use this ZOO program on archives I get from
> panarthea or CIS or GENIE that are .ZOO files, I always
> get errors in the ZOO headers and the thing says it can't
> extract the files.  Other binaries, such as ARC files
> always work OK.  I have tried three version of ZOO and BOOZ.
>
 
David,
I don't think ZOO.TTP is the problem;  I experienced the same
thing recently.  The problem was in the files themselves...
If you are ftp'ing, make sure you use BINARY mode; when the
ftp is complete, verify that the size of the file is the
same size as on the server.  ftp will modify the file during
transfer unless you use binary mode.
 
> --
> David Beckemeyer (david@bdt.UUCP)     | "I'll forgive you Dad...  If you have
> Beckemeyer Development Tools          | a breath mint."
> P.O. Box 21575, Oakland, CA 94620     |    Bart - "The Simpsons"
> UUCP: ?uunet,ucbvax?!unisoft!bdt!david        |
 
 Pierre Fortin
 fortinp@bnr.ca
 
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