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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri, 19 Jan 90       Volume 90 : Issue   71
 
Today's Topics:
               42 meg Hard Drive for Atari ST for sale
                    Atari dealers in New England ?
                   GNU/Sozobon C question (2 msgs)
                           PS font question
                     Shareware MICRO RTX (2 msgs)
                       Smalltalk on the Atari ?
                       ST S/ware Rental Places
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Date: 19 Jan 90 18:01:53 GMT
From: shlump.nac.dec.com!engage.enet.dec.com!oldtmr!wallace@decuac.dec.com  (Ray
 Wallace)
Subject: 42 meg Hard Drive for Atari ST for sale
Message-ID: <1431@engage.enet.dec.com>
 
                        42meg HARD DRIVE - $500
 
        This is an Atari SH204 hard disk with the 20 meg drive replaced
        with a 42 meg drive.
 
        The 42 meg drive has a 40ms average seek time, which is MUCH
        faster than the 20 meg drive which normally comes in the SH204.
 
        Complete with cables and necessary HD software.
 
        Already formatted (11mb,11mb,10mb,10mb) and ready to boot.
 
        Includes a bunch of PD programs already on the drive.
 
        Asking $500 (that's less than the price of a 20meg drive).
 
Reason for selling - I've just bought a complete system which came with this
hard drive, since I already have a HD I don't need this one.
 
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Ray Wallace
        (508)493-9241 (days)
        (508)534-0699 (evenings)
                (INTERNET,UUCP) wallace@oldtmr.enet.dec.com
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Date: 18 Jan 90 21:59:21 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: Atari dealers in New England ?
Message-ID: <25904@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <9001170806.AA27170@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> BALTUCH@BRANDEIS.BITNET
 (Jacob Baltuch) writes:
>Any Atari dealer left in New England (mostly Boston area) ?
> I'd even be ready to go as far as Providence or
>New Hampshire. Thanks.
>
 
In that case: there is a very "ok" one in Warwick, RI that I always
go to. Software Connection. If you need specific details,
email me. Also, I think there is one in Seekonk.
 
Good luck.
 
Also, try contacting the BCS, they'll know the dealers in the area.
 
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
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Date: 18 Jan 90 22:04:37 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: GNU/Sozobon C question
Message-ID: <25906@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <4704.25b440a7@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
 writes:
|In article <25724@brunix.UUCP|, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
|[ some useful (and correct) information about GNU deleted ]
||      gcc - this is GNU's public domain C++ compiler.
||                      (and on, and on, and on...)
|NO! What you describe is g++, GNU's version of C++, and not gcc.
|--
|Eric R. Smith                     email:
 
Ack! Eric is right! Forgive me Mostafa!
 
Everything I said is true of g++, not gcc. gcc is also by GNU, but
is a straight C compiler, as Eric pointed out.
 
Sorry about adding to the confusion...I should look
before I type...
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
 
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Date: 18 Jan 90 22:31:27 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: GNU/Sozobon C question
Message-ID: <25911@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <1990Jan17.154602.19880@chinet.chi.il.us> saj@chinet.chi.il.us
 (Stephen Jacobs) writes:
>The previous reply in this thread had an error and a statement I disagree with.
>1)gcc is the GNU C compiler.  It's available for the Atari ST, and is compliant
>with the draft ANSI standard.  There's also g++, the GNU C++ compiler, which
>is not C, and if it's ?iavailable for the ST, that's very recent.
 
Yup. I f**ked up. Typed/read  two c's when I was aiming for two +'s.
Again, my apologies. (Can I bow out of this gracefully now? Or does
someone else want to pipe up and point this out?)
 
>
>2)I like Mark Williams C.
 
OK. Like I said. I had no direct experience with MWC, just that two
friends who have it, have found problems with it.
 
>                                   Steve J.
 
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
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Date: 19 Jan 90 19:15:17 GMT
From:
 swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu
 !neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.edu!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@ucsd.edu  (Mickey
 Boyd)
Subject: PS font question
Message-ID: <9001190657.AA26056@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <1990Jan18.134552.6495@cs.dal.ca>, silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
 writes:
>Although I have PageStream 1.8, I find that I still use Publishing
>Partner a lot.  Now that we have a new laser printer at work, I wish
>that I had picked up the PostScript font disk when it was still
>     ...... stuff deleted
 
Are these fonts needed to pipe output to a PS file?  Do any come with the
original?  I want to get a desktop publishing program that can write PS
files, to be able to use other printers than my dot matrix for important
stuff.  I would also like to include some rudimentary diagrams and rounded
boxes in my work.  Do PP or Page Stream have this ability?  Are there any
other desktop publishing programs that create PS files?
 
 
 
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         Mickey Boyd                 |    "Nobody can be exactly like me.
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Date: 19 Jan 90 18:28:34 GMT
From: cs.yale.edu!fischer-michael@CS.YALE.EDU  (Michael Fischer)
Subject: Shareware MICRO RTX
Message-ID: <12117@cs.yale.edu>
 
In article <874@bdt.UUCP> david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) writes:
>
>I am sending a SHAREWARE version of the MICRO RTX multitasking
>operating system for the Atari ST to comp.binaries.atari.st.
 
Has this been tested under TOS 1.4?  The announcement didn't say.
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Date: 19 Jan 90 19:51:16 GMT
From: shlump.nac.dec.com!harpo.enet.dec.com!powers@decuac.dec.com  (Bill Powers)
Subject: Shareware MICRO RTX
Message-ID: <7614@shlump.nac.dec.com>
 
> >
> >I am sending a SHAREWARE version of the MICRO RTX multitasking
> >operating system for the Atari ST to comp.binaries.atari.st.
>
> Has this been tested under TOS 1.4?  The announcement didn't say.
 
  I would assume it works under TOS 1.4.  Dave probably uses MICRO RTX
in MT-C Shell, his multi user multi tasking kernel. MT-C Shell works under
TOS 1.4, as I use it.
 
  IMHO - Dave writes good stuff.
 
Bill Powers
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Date: 19 Jan 90 08:22:57 GMT
From: hp-ses!hpbbn!hpgnd!jmrosset@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (Jean-Michel ROSSET)
Subject: Smalltalk on the Atari ?
Message-ID: <4280006@hpgnd.HP.COM>
 
Is there any implementation of smalltalk-80 or smalltalk V available on
the Atari-ST ? I've heard there is an implementation of Little smalltalk,
but this one has not the graphical capabilities of the real smalltalk
environments.
 
Jean-Michel Rosset
jm@hpgnd.gre.hp.com
 
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Date: 18 Jan 90 22:28:00 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <25910@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <1990Jan17.065533.601@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 gl8f@astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>In article <25723@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
>>In article <2625@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Imran
 Anwar) writes:
>>>I know of only one place where ST s/ware rentals are possible......
>>>does anyone have a list of more places?
>>>Please email and oblige
>>
>>Yeah. And with any luck they'll *all* go out of business. Piracy
>>has almost killed Atari...that's all that's needed is a thinly
>>veiled software "rental" place.
>
>Needless to say, it's extremely rude to call some people pirates
>because they rent software. Libraries rent books, video stores rent
>movies. Video stores rent Nintendo carts, which contain software.
>
 
Sorry, Greg...I stand by my claim. And the Federal Trade Commission
stands with me, I'm afraid. (As does STart, BYTE, PC Week, etc. They no longer
accept advertising from software "rental" places.)
 
 
Your analogies do not hold. If books were as easy to copy as software,
you can bet there would be similar complaints. In the early 80's,
record rental places were outlawed by the  FBI because of record
piracy. In the latter half of the 80's, the same
complaints led to delays on DAT recording media. Video rental
stores were also under attack for copying, but as it is more
difficult to copy a video tape (not everyone has two VCRs) the
losses were considered minimal.  Rental of Nintyendo game carts is legit
since not that many people have ways of reading the  ROMs or EPROMs, let
alone copying them. If there was such a way, you can bet that
you wouldn't be able to find Nintendo at your local video store.
 
Computer software is (currently) the *easiest* media to copy - and your
copy is an *exact* duplicate, not some scratchy re-recording of a record.
I have been to a total of 15-20 different software "rental" places,
and *every* last one of them made no bones about the fact that
"whatever you did with out their knowledge was none of their concern."
 
Frankly, Greg, I consider it *rude* to steal. I am a professional
programmer, I work *hard* for my money. If I want to give away my
code, fine...if some tries to "rent ity," I'd be on their back
with a pack of lawyers. If you don't think piracy has wounded
the software industry - look around.
 
Atari software, by the way, is acknowledged as being the hardest
hit. Atari roots are in gaming (regardless of what we all pretend),
and certain gamers (not all) find absolutely nothing wrong with "lending"
copies to their friends. And, if you can lend out "Joust,"
why not Lotus 1-2-3? Atari users even had access to "thru the mail"
software "rental" agencies. The user never even had to see the
owner of the store, let alone account for his/her actions.
 
>In short -- piracy is an issue you deal with by educating users, not
>by insulting legitimate businesses.
 
I agree completely. And don't believe I have insulted legitimate
businesses. If you want to see a piece of software run, go to
a store and ask the proprieter to start up a copy for you. I have
never been refused this request.
 
>
>Btw, gcc is not a C++ compiler. g++ is a C++ compiler. gcc's feature is
>that it's ANSI C.
 
Yup. You are quite right. I posted my apology earlier.
 
>
>Greg Lindahl
>gl8f@virginia.edu                                  Astrophysicists for Choice.
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
 
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