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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Tue,  6 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  165
 
Today's Topics:
                          Abaq: where is it?
                           Dave Small (GBS)
                        don't want pc-ditto II
                 HELP! Floppy Drive not working out.
                 I need a GEM to PostScript converter
                           Problems FTP'ing
                         Review of Sozobon C
                            Right Way?????
                              Sozobon C
                          ST Report & STMAG
                       ST S/ware Rental Places
                       TOS io redirection bugs
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Date: 6 Feb 90 20:50:04 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!brazil@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Timothy E.
 Onders)
Subject: Abaq: where is it?
Message-ID: <LD5K|@rpi.edu>
 
In article <34005@watmath.waterloo.edu> mwnewman@watmsg.waterloo.edu (mike
 newman) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the current status of the abaq machine?  If anyone knows
>if it is available, or where I could get some technical specifications, could
>you please email me?
 
As a matter of fact, the Atari Transputer Workstation is enjoying great
popularity in Europe, particularly in the UK. A few have even been imported
to the good 'ole USA.  For more information, as in comp.sys.transputer.
 
                                        -Tim Onders
                                        brazil@pawl.rpi.edu
 
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Date: 6 Feb 90 09:23:37 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Neil
 Forsyth)
Subject: Dave Small (GBS)
Message-ID: <4311@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk>
 
Anyone got a reliable mail address for Dave Small that I can use from the UK?
I have tried 'dsmall@uucp.well' and the long 'un with the 'relay' bit. But
my messages keep bouncing. I am trying to contact you Dave!
 
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Date: 6 Feb 90 10:41:00 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt
 !tmsoft!masnet!canremote!cliff.cook@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (CLIFF COOK)
Subject: don't want pc-ditto II
Message-ID: <90020606211284@masnet.uucp>
 
>About a week after I received the 1/2 off coupon for pc-ditto II,
>I sent it in, and I still haven't (MANY MONTHS later) received it yet!
>I don't want pc-ditto II, I want cash!
>
 
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Date: 6 Feb 90 20:44:32 GMT
From: ocf.berkeley.edu!kawakami@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (John Kawakami)
Subject: HELP! Floppy Drive not working out.
Message-ID: <34157@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>
 
Since I did not get any replies last time:
 
I'm having a big problem.  I bought a 1.44Mb (high density) 3.5" floppy drive
to replace the SS/DD drive I have now.  My plan was to just pop the drive
in and use it like an ordinary DS/DD drive, not a DS/HD drive.  Well, it
didn't work.
 
So far, all that happens is that the floppy acknowledges its existence.
When I try to read, the light flashes on, but the computer cannot read the
data on the diskette.  When I formatted a diskette on it, the head did not
move, and the end result was a diskette that claims to have 0 bytes used,
0 bytes free, and 0 everything else.
 
The drive is a Toshiba.  That might have something to do with it; I recall
seeing things about that drive before.
 
John Kawakami       kawakami@earthquake.berkeley.edu
                    ucbvax!earthquake.berkeley.edu!kawakami
                    take-a-right-up-the-hill-then-a-left-on-leroy
 
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Date: 6 Feb 90 19:45:44 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: I need a GEM to PostScript converter
Message-ID: <28202@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <891@ztivax.UUCP> corvara@ztivax.UUCP (Harald Vollmer) writes:
>Can you help me get a GEM format to PostScript format converter?
>I need one that can run on one of the following machines:  Atari,
>MacII, Apollo, Vax, or Sun 3.
>
>Gabi Umbreit
 
As stated earlier, I am working on an image format converter that
will transfer across a wide range of image formats. (Including GEM
and Postscript.)
 
Because of commitments at my job, it is coming along slower than
expected, but it *is* coming along. I'll keep you posted.
 
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
 
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 90 10:07:33 EST
From: Peter Jaspers-Fayer <SOFPJF%UOGUELPH.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Problems FTP'ing
 
The base note is a query about why ARC files may be corrupted, and
what FTP sites there are for only Atari software.
[Dave Small: Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery!]
 
I know of no sites that have ONLY atari-ST software, but here's one...
FTP 131.104.96.1, as anonymous, and you can FTP download to your heart's
content.
 
If your MAIL an  INDEX PROG-A16   command to LISTSERV@UOGUELPH
(Note do NOT mail to PROG-A16@UOGUELPH !!), you can tell which files
are which.   You can also request the files by mailing
GET PROG-A16 yy-nnnnn     commands to LISTSERV@UOGUELPH
 
Best of luck.
 
As for your ARC problem, there are a number of things that could corrupt
an archive (curious, though, that you see such a regular error as that)
You did not give enough details:
1. Where do you do the UUD-ing?
If on the host then:
2. When transferring to the PC, do you tell the host to send BINARY?
3. Are you un-arc-ing on your PC or on the Atari?
 
And so on and so on.   I'll be glad to help, but need more details.
 
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Below is a list of all sites that have/had some Atari ST software:
 
026.003.000.095 mordor.s1.gov               Atari ST?
035.001.001.043 ummts.cc.umich.edu          atari st (cd PC7:)
035.001.033.008 terminator.cc.umich.edu     xscheme,msdos (& PC Mag!),Atari,
                                            unix
035.195.016.002 euterpe.math.lsa.umich.edu  Atari ST,
                                            questions->dyer@math.lsa.umich.edu
036.008.000.046 score.stanford.edu          TexHax,Atari,APL metafont (tenex)
128.015.000.003 mordor.s1.gov               Atari ST?
128.082.008.001 xanth.cs.odu.edu            comp.sources.?x,unix,misc,games,
                                            amiga?,X,amiga,Atari ST
128.101.063.002 ux.acss.umn.edu             usenix 87 archives,Atari ST TeX,GNU
128.101.224.001 umn-cs.cs.umn.edu           Sendmail,vectrex,mac,unix-pc,
                                            atari,apple II,GIF
128.214.005.006 tolsun.oulu.fi              amiga,atari,c64,msdos,mac,irc
128.214.007.005 jyu.fi                      unix,atari,amiga,mac,etherprint,
                                            night,larn,morabermud,ularn,conquer,
                                            kia,nethack 3.0
128.252.135.004 wuarchive.wustl.edu
                                            GNU,X.11R3,GIF,IEN,RFCs,TeX,UUPC,
                                            info-mac,4.3BSD-Tahoe,
                                            comp.binaries.amiga,CdB.apple2,
                                            CdB.atari.st,CdB.ibm.pc,CdS.amiga,
                                            CdS.atari.st,CdS.games,CdS.misc,
                                            CdS.sun,CdS.unix,CdS.x,msdos,
                                            simtel20
129.022.016.002 dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu        Minix,TOS Atari ST,gcc from bammi
130.184.064.202 uafcseg.uark.edu            amiga,commodore,ibm,apple,Atari
131.211.080.005 sol.cs.ruu.nl               atari,GNU,BSD,etc.
 
[Gee those wuarchive.wustl folks must be B U S Y!]
 
I make no guarentees about the quality/quantitiy, or even presence of
ST software at these sites ('cept my own of course), so don't flame me.
On the other hand, info about new sites, or concrete info about any of
the above no longer carrying ST stuff (Like SSYX) would be appreciated.
OK?
 
/PJ                                                 SofPJF@VM.UoGuelph.Ca
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There is never time to do it right, but plenty of time to do it over... Anon
 
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Date: 5 Feb 90 15:06:07 GMT
From:
 eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!ccvax.ucd.ie!h236_014@bloom-beac
 on.mit.edu
Subject: Review of Sozobon C
Message-ID: <521.25cd965f@ccvax.ucd.ie>
 
  As I recall some time ago the author (?) of Sozobon C was wondering
why no magazine had ever reviewed Sozobon. Well this months issue of
ST World ( the UK mag ) carries a review of both Sozobon and Mark Johnson C.
  The reviews of both were in the main favourable. I also glanced through
the ST World awards list and saw that Sozobon C had been nominated in one
of the catagories. So it obviously has a following in Europe at least.
 
   Padraig.
 
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Date: 6 Feb 90 22:39:16 GMT
From: granite!mandel@bbn.com  (Mark Mandel)
Subject: Right Way?????
Message-ID: <1990Feb6.223916.21017@granite.cr.bull.com>
 
>>>Ok, grab the native.  Grab your elephant gun.  Place the business end of the
>>>gun against the skull of the native.  State "I need to know if this path
>>>leads to safety and I'm gonna take you with me to find out." Finally, ask,
>>>"Do you suggest the left path?"
>>......
>>Why is this cross-posted to comp.sys.atari.st anyway??
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Who else could figure it out??  Probably a good call.
 
Naah.  Whoever cross-posted it has been watching too many old movies
on TV:  John Wayne in Africa in HATARI, and Dick Van Dyke with a
Cockney accent in MARY POPPINS ("'ATARI")!
 
  [[  Coffee and aspirin:  breakfast of champions!  ]]
--
 
        -- Mark Mandel          (InterNet: Mandel@granite.cr.bull.com)
 
 /* My employer is not responsible for anything I say, do, think, or eat. */
 
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 90 19:33
From: "O. Steinmeier"
 <UK14%DKAUNI2.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Sozobon C
Message-ID: <"90-02-06-19:33:22.76*UK14"@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
 
Hi!
A few weeks ago I got a copy of Sozobon C V1.01 (including
DLibs V1.2). Does anyone know if there is a new release
available? If it exists - how can I get it?
Thanks in advance,
Oliver
 
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Oliver Steinmeier        (uk14@dkauni2.BITNET)
Waldhornstr. 4-8
D-7500 Karlsruhe 1
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 90 12:05 N
From: "Frits Dumortier/R.U.G." <FD%BGERUG51.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: ST Report & STMAG
 
Dear Atari-netters,
 
There was a message about ST Report & STMAG on the network.
Please include me on the mail list for these.
 
Frits Dumortier
(FD@BGERUG51.BITNET)
 
 
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Date: 6 Feb 90 19:43:00 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <28201@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <1574@cs.rit.edu> ajy2208%ritcv@cs.rit.edu writes:
>In article <27273@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
>>              ...my personal theory is that the Atari
>>              community sprung (somewhat) out of the old
>>              8 bit Atari community, where game theft was
>>              rampant. Perhaps that philosophy held on into
>>              the ST community.
>
>How can you say this?  I think ST owners buy a larger share of
>software than users of ANY other computer.  I know quite a number of
>ST owners, and EVERY ONE OF THEM has bought a lot of software,
>myself included!
 
I know, all of the ST owners (well, most) that I know are also
of good character, and they purchase what they use.
 
The reason I can say this is because I have attended ST User Group
meetings in three different communities. In all three cases, the
scene is entirely the same: a brief meeting is held, some software
is demoed, then what can only be described as an orgy of software
piracy begins. Its mallicious, its organized, and its massive.
There is usually two or three double disked STs set up, with an
operator at each. Club members bring their own diskettes, and they
are free to choose from a menu that not only includes public domain
and shareware, but also commercial copies of Lattice C, Word Perfect,
Games (there are copy protection buster programs available for all to
use), spredsheets, business software, etc etc etc...
 
I have *never* seen anything like it. When I brought it up to those
present, the attitude was pretty similar to what I've seen on this
net: either alot of snickering "why shouldn't we?" to "Hey, we have to
test this tuff out before we buy it, don't we?" Quite literally
100's of copies of commercial software left the premises on those
evenings.
 
I have been to IBM and Amiga user gorup meetings, and I have
*never* seen that type of blatant theft. Sure, there were some
mumbled exchanges of unlabeled disks between people, but nothing
on the scale or magnitude that I have seen at Atari meetings.
 
The only Atari meetings where I have not seen that activity are meetings
conducted by the BCS is Boston.
 
 
>I refuse to believe that ST owners pirate worse than their IBM/Mac/Amiga
>counterparts.
>
 
I not only believe it, but I've seen it.
 
>>(Sorry to all those who think this thread doesn't belong on this
>> group, but I believe it does - and I think its an important issue.)
>                                 ===================================
>So do I.
>
 
Thanks Albert...a positive voice is good to hear.
 
>_____________________________________________________________________________
> Albert Yarusso, Rochester     ajy2208@ritvax.bitnet,ajy2208@ultb.isc.rit.edu
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
 
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Date: 6 Feb 90 23:38:11 GMT
From: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!bammi@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Jwahar R. Bammi)
Subject: TOS io redirection bugs
Message-ID: <BAMMI.90Feb6182843@curie.ces.CWRU.Edu>
 
In article <9001301152.AA03348@freya.dmswwu-ether> ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET (Julian
 Reschke) writes:
dale:
   > inconvenience in TOS regarding stderr.  Handle 2 is connected to the AUX
   > port by default, but I support it's use as a redirectable stderr.  To
   > force this to work properly, C start-up code should check to see if handle
   > 2 is a tty.  If is IS, then Fforce() it to -1 to attach it to the console.
Julian:
   But this will fail if you try to redirect handle 2 to PRN:! Correct me if
   I'm wrong...
 
thats correct, but dales suggestion is still fine. its isatty() that
needs to be fixed up, so that it does'nt think that PRN: isatty().
(just out of curiosity, why would someone send stderr to PRN:? why not
to a file, and then if its really needed, print the file (saves a few
trees in the process)).
--
bang:   ?any internet host?!dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu!bammi  jwahar r. bammi
domain: bammi@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu
GEnie:  J.Bammi
 
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