 
INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu,  1 Mar 90       Volume 90 : Issue  270
 
Today's Topics:
                  1989 Income Tax Spreadsheet Forms
                Adaptec + Seagate hard drive question
          Archive-server@panarthea...who's in charge of it?
                          Call for opinions
                       ESDI hard disk on 520ST
                                G-Dos
               How do I set up MINIX on my Supra drive?
          How To Partition Megafile 30 for ST/PC/Mac s/ware
                        problems w/ Sozobon C
            STE DMA sound (documentation posted) (2 msgs)
                               XEP80's
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Date: 28 Feb 90 13:20:07 GMT
From: att!cbnewsm!cbz@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (craig.b.ziemer)
Subject: 1989 Income Tax Spreadsheet Forms
Message-ID: <9721@cbnewsm.ATT.COM>
 
I have just completed my 1989 Federal Income Tax Return using the
spreadsheet program, VisiCalc.  I have written input files for the
following forms: Form 1040, Schedule A (itemized deductions) and
Schedule B (interest and dividend income).  I'd be happy to mail these
files to anyone else who might wish to use them.  They're guaranteed
to give you a big refund :~)
 
*  Craig B. Ziemer                %%        DISCLAIMER: AT&T does not  *
*  AT&T Bell Laboratories       %%%%%%      officially support what I  *
*  Reading, Pennsylvania          %%        just said, in fact, they   *
*  UUCP ADDRESS: alux6!cbz        %%             rarely do :~)         *
 
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Date: 28 Feb 90 23:45:05 GMT
From: matthews@umd5.umd.edu  (Mike Matthews)
Subject: Adaptec + Seagate hard drive question
Message-ID: <6186@umd5.umd.edu>
 
In article <1715@lakesys.lakesys.com> rich@lakesys.UUCP (Richard Dankert)
 writes:
[stuff deleted]
>       I looked for the program that they mention, and have yet to find
>Clean_up ST anywhere on the disks provided with the host adaptor/controller.
>
>rich.....
>UUCP: rich@lakesys.lakesys.COM     ?always .... ?
 
Cleanup is a commercial product; you have to pay for it.  I think the last
price was $40, but it might be $30.  It only works if you have an ICD host
adaptor.
 
I have it, and it's great.  Unfortunately, I will be leaving ICD in favor of
a BMS200 soon (I have the BMS now; mounting it is reeeal difficult with my
current case, so I have to get a new one <I want my extra DMA port accessible>).
 
I wonder what Hard Disk Sentry is like..
 
Mike
 
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Date: 1 Mar 90 04:45:31 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!image.soe.clarkson.edu!sunybcs!ubvms!v077l5lx@tut
 .cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Archive-server@panarthea...who's in charge of it?
Message-ID: <249.25ec629b@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
 
Hello,
        I would like to ask the person who runs the archive-server@panarthea
a question or two.  Can someone please tell me who to contact and where I
should send that message to?  Thanks for your help.
 
        V077L5LX@UBVMSD                             Guy DiPietro
             or
   V077L5LX@UBVMS.cc.Buffalo.edu
 
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Date: 28 Feb 90 20:03:25 GMT
From: imagen!atari!apratt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Allan Pratt)
Subject: Call for opinions
Message-ID: <2059@atari.UUCP>
 
Without going into the gory details, I want to know what you
programmers out there think of adding the following constraint to
programming on the ST line of machines:
 
    "You must leave Timer C in the MFP as it was originally programmed."
 
This does not mean you have to leave its interrupt enabled, or its
interrupt vector pointing at the 200Hz handler: it just means you can't
reprogram that timer's control or data registers.
 
If you violate this constraint, or if you think it's unreasonable,
please let me know.  The point is that I need a way to count small
increments of real time, and I want to get rid of all the places where
instruction execution time is used to achieve a delay.
 
If accepted, violating this constrait results in Bconout to printer or
IKBD not working, and the floppy disk code not working reliably.
 
I'm trying to make this as transparent as possible: only really screwy
programs (games, demos, etc.) care about this stuff.  Timer C is the
system heartbeat, and you shouldn't mess with it unless you really feel
you need to, and then you should accept the consequences.
 
(It is already the case that revectoring or changing Timer C causes
GEMDOS to lose track of the time, and AES events not to happen, among
other things.  Also, incidentally, if you inhibit the system vblank
handler, floppy operations will never time out, and the floppy's access
light will never go out even on successful operations; the motor will
shut off, though.)
 
I don't want to make this decision in a vacuum.  What do you all think?
 
============================================
Opinions expressed above do not necessarily     -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else.      ...ames!atari!apratt
 
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Date: 28 Feb 90 00:03:55 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: ESDI hard disk on 520ST
Message-ID: <1343@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <kZuK3En0BwwKMFasY1@transarc.com>, Pat_Barron@TRANSARC.COM writes:
> OK, so I just bought an Atari 520ST, and it didn't come with any documentation
> other than a "getting started" book, so I know very little about it.  So
> please bear with me if this seems like a simple question, or has been
> covered before....
>
> The 520ST has a hard disk port, but I can't find anywhere what kind of
> hard disk it's supposed to attach to.  I know that one can, somehow,
> attach a SCSI disk to the ST.  I have a Micropolis 85Mb ESDI drive that
 
You need what is called a "Host adapter".  This interfaces Atari to SCSI.
For your ESDI drive you need also to get an Adaptec xxxx SCSI-ESDI adapter.
Thes following folks make a Host adapter (BMS-200) and are willing to talk
to you (well they talk to me!).  Call or write them to see what they
recommend.
 
                           Berkeley Micro Systems
                           P.O. Box 20119
                           Oakland, CA  94620
1-415-547-2191
 
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 28 Feb 90 00:21:03 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: G-Dos
Message-ID: <1344@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <9002270817.AA13951@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, FRACHEL@umiami.Miami.EDU
 writes:
> This is a repost, since no one answered it before:
>
> Where can I get G-Dos?  I have never seen it anywhere.
>
> Simple question, someone MUST know the answer.
>
> Frank
 
 
You can't buy gdos.  A software product that uses it has to BUY it from
ATARI, and put it on a disk for you.  Once you buy one program with it
it available for everything else.
--  I bought Dollars & Sense, and got gdos1.0.  AND they only can print
    using using gdos 1.1.
--  Then I bought a CAD program and it had gdos 1.1.
 
There is a gdos clone, called G-PLUS.  about $40.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 1 Mar 90 00:34:16 GMT
From: orc!mipos3!iwarp.intel.com!pcm@decwrl.dec.com  (Phil Miller)
Subject: How do I set up MINIX on my Supra drive?
Message-ID: <1990Mar1.003416.939@iwarp.intel.com>
 
In article <27392@cup.portal.com> buggs@cup.portal.com (William Edward JuneJr)
 writes:
>
>Did the MINIX newsgroup ever split into IBM & ATARI sections? Or, is it still
>one big deal?
 
Nope, still one big deal.
 
 [...]
 
>What's the latest version, this one is 1.1.
 
Version 1.5.3, soon to be version 1.5.4.
 
>Walden's 'computer store' <here local> carries a hardcover version of the
>textbook tellin' me that there ISN'T a softbound version, this true?
 
True part: The generic version of `the book' on Minix, by A. S. Tanenbaum,
only comes in hardcover (at least as far as I know).
 
False part: There is a version of `the book' specific to the IBM PC which
is in paperback.  Check "Authors in Print" at your favorite local bookstore.
 
I own both of these.  I don't know if there are other books for other
(non-PC) architectures.
 
>
>Ed June      buggs@cup.portal.com <<<<----- this is all I know!
 
 
Phil Miller
pcm@iwarp.intel.com
 
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Date: 27 Feb 90 22:44:31 GMT
From: sicilia!bro@rice.edu  (Douglas Monk)
Subject: How To Partition Megafile 30 for ST/PC/Mac s/ware
Message-ID: <5328@brazos.Rice.edu>
 
In article <1328@lzsc.ATT.COM> hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) writes:
>In article <1990Feb23.070236.20529@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>,
 ia4@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
[re. using hard drive partitions for PC and Macintosh emulators...]
>30 Meg total:
>       First for TOS, will be called C: 10 meg or so
>       Second for TOS, will be called D: 9 meg or so.  Or just one for 19 Meg.
>(16 meg max  for TOS 1.1)  Use TOS for  PC-Ditto.
>       Third for MAC, 1 meg: used to 'boot' up mac. -- read manual.
>       Forth for MAC, 9 meg: or more; use for data storage. (The more the better).
 
This is the method for using partitions for Magic Sac: for Spectre, you only
needd one partition. Magic Sac (with 64K ROMs) needs a small MAC partition (as
small as you can get - I used a 300K partition) in MFS mode, which will
contain a system and finder and a Hard Disk patch, used only long enough to
boot from a second MAC partition in HFS mode. Spectre (with 128K ROMs)
understands HFS partitions directly, and doesn't need the first "boot-strap"
partition. Thus, the drive might be set up:
                With Magic Sac                  With Spectre
Partition 1     10 meg GEM=TOS C:               10 meg GEM=TOS C:
          2     10 meg GEM=TOS D:, MS-DOS       10 meg GEM=TOS D:, MS-DOS
          3     .3 meg ACK=MFS Mac bootstrap    10 meg ACK=HFS Mac boot
          4     9.7 meg ACK=HFS real Mac boot
 
>> [re: ramdisk now not working as G:]
There is a *possibility* that the problem may be due to an odd bug, if you
are using a hard drive with one of Atari's early host adapters, and also using
some particular hard disk driver. The effect of the bug is for all (or most)
of the TOS drive letters to be marked in use on bootup. Most ramdisks will only
install if their drive letter is free (on coldboot) (with some reset-proof ones
also checking to make sure their letter is marked (on warmboot)). If the bug
is present in your particular setup, you need something to set or clear the
drive letter mask. I have a program that will do that, and can also be used to
see to what the drive letter mask is set so you can test for the bug. Send me
email if you want a copy.
 
>Get another RAMDISK.
 
Might or might not work, if the problem is this particular bug. For those
others in the audience, if your ramdisks work, you don't have the problem.
 
>Howard C. Johnson
 
Doug Monk (bro@rice.edu)
 
Disclaimer: These views are mine, not necessarily my organization's.
 
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Date: 28 Feb 90 22:31:48 GMT
From: hpl-opus!hpccc!wright@hplabs.hp.com  (Jeff Wright)
Subject: problems w/ Sozobon C
Message-ID: <5330015@hpccc.HP.COM>
 
/ hpccc:comp.sys.atari.st / millert@boulder.Colorado.EDU (MILLER TODD C) /  9:36
 am  Feb 27, 1990 /
>
>   I just got Sozobon C from terminator and I'm trying to get it up and
 running.
> My problem is that when I type "cc filename.c" I get an error message to the
> effect that "filename.c is not a known suffix" (or something like that).
> Does anyone know what's wrong (probably something simple).  I set up the
> directories like the docs say, as well as the indicated environmental
> variables (PATH, INCLUDE, TMP, etc).  I'm using the Pcommand shell if that
> makes any difference (got to print out those gulam docs!).
>   Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.
>                                                   -Todd
 
You're the second person to encounter this problem this year.  The conclusion
before was that the PCOMMAND shell is the culprit, because it upshifts
the command line.
 
--Jeff Wright
 
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Date: 27 Feb 90 06:15:19 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!uwm.edu!carroll1!dnewton@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Dave Newton)
Subject: STE DMA sound (documentation posted)
Message-ID: <1247@carroll1.cc.edu>
 
In article <37193@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin
 Clendenien) writes:
+    As far as having to spend a couple of hundred bucks just to get
+ information on your machine, this is no different than IBM, Mac, or
+ Amiga computers.  When you buy IBM and DOS, do you get a technical
+ reference manual?  NO!  Sure it's available, but at a cost.  ThisO
+ same scenario is played out with both Mac and Amiga computers.  You
+ can find information on the Atari line of computers without having
+ to become a developer.  But, just as with the above mentioned
+ computers, you will have to pay for it.  I wish information was
+ free, but we all know that just ain't so.  Knowledge makes the world
+ go round.  Not just in the computer field, but in every field.
 
   Sure, I can get a DOS book for around $25 that details all the DOS and BIOS
calls.  I can get a complete listing of the Amiga kernal for about the same
amount.  I can buy the _entire_ Inside macintosh series for less than $150,
and that includes all the hardware and evangalizing, too.
 
   Almost doesn't seem fair.  Almost wish ST people could get cheap, complete
docs like _they_ can.  I don't have $250 to become a developer right now.  But
I have about 3-4 books that answer nearly _every_ hardware or software question
about the PC/AT line: total (list) cost: about $115.
 
--
David L. Newton                 |           uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton
(414) 524-7343 (work)           |              dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu
(414) 524-6809 (home)           |           100 NE Ave, Waukesha WI 53186
 
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Date: 27 Feb 90 18:53:24 GMT
From:
 sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ni
 c.MR.NET!ns!logajan@decwrl.dec.com  (John Logajan)
Subject: STE DMA sound (documentation posted)
Message-ID: <1990Feb27.185324.17559@ns.network.com>
 
kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien) writes:
>   Don't be so glad.  If people keep breaking their agreements with
>Atari not to publish this information, Atari will have no choice but
>to restrict the information even further.
 
This is an empty threat.  It is in Atari's interest NOT to further
restrict information -- so it won't happen.
 
Atari representatives are just trying to delay the inevitable -- the
word of mouth, jungle telegraph spread of useful information.  They have
no hope of ultimately supressing it, and they have no legal basis to
supress it in most cases -- regardless what they claim.
 
--
- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
- logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853
 
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Date: 26 Feb 90 19:26:10 GMT
From: imagen!atari!portal!portal!cup.portal.com!Metalist@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
 (Bryan Jones Woodworth)
Subject: XEP80's
Message-ID: <27342@cup.portal.com>
 
Stan:
 
Thanks for your input on the XEP80.  I have a few questions about 80 column
drivers:
 
- Can the XEP80 display crisp 80 column text on a 13" color TV?
 
- Can the XEP80 display ATASCII graphics (the ATASCII character set)
On a mono/amber screen monitor? (Or if I were using an XEP80 with a  mono
monitor, would I need to use ASCII translation when modeming?)
 
- There is a PD 80 column driver I am sure you have seen that sets up 80
columns o the screen. But this won't work with, say, BOBTERMwill it?  Upon
loading of BOBTERM wouldn't the 80column
handler cause some sort of crash??
 
Thanks!!
 
Metalist/BJW
 
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