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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon, 29 Jan 90       Volume 90 : Issue  114
 
Today's Topics:
                  Address for archives at panarthea.
                    archive server for terminator
               drawings -> pic, laserjet, postscript??
               Need IBM Format Program for my ST SF314
                      Shareware Policy. (2 msgs)
                      Technical Documentation (
                          Yes, I have an STE
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Date: 29 Jan 90 06:51:43 GMT
From: maytag!water!ljdickey@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: Address for archives at panarthea.
Message-ID: <2936@water.waterloo.edu>
 
There were several messages lately about folks being unable to
reach the archive server at panarthea.  Yesterday, I tried to
request something, and found that an address I had been using was
not working, but that a variant did work.  Maybe I missed something
along the way, but until now, I had had no trouble with the old
address.  This may reflect a change in the mailer at sun.com, but
who knows?
 
        archive-server%panarthea@sun.com        # old or broken
        archive-server%panarthea.ebay@sun.com   # this worked for me
 
Just thought you might want to know.
Thanks, Steven, for keeping the archive!
 
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    L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
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Date: 29 Jan 90 06:44:26 GMT
From: jarthur!uci-ics!gateway@uunet.uu.net  (Wayne Ngai)
Subject: archive server for terminator
Message-ID: <25C3E64A.20152@paris.ics.uci.edu>
 
Could someone please tell me if there are archive server to terminator site?
If so, how do I get to it??  How do I talk to it???
 
 
wayne
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 03:50:30 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!fornax!chapman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (John Chapman)
Subject: drawings -> pic, laserjet, postscript??
Message-ID: <249@fornax.UUCP>
 
Does anyone have, or know of, a program which will let you
create (relatively) simple line drawings and which will
produce as output (in order of preference)
 
1. PIC commands
2. an HP LaserJet
3. Postscript
 
I have a fairly serious need for this and appreciate
any pointers people can give; email replies preferred;
I will summarize to the net if there is interest.
 
Thanks,
        john
 
chapman@cs.sfu.ca
uunet!van-bc!syssol!john
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 03:51:55 GMT
From: eagle!ncastellano@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Need IBM Format Program for my ST SF314
Message-ID: <6049@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
 
In article <1405@ariel.unm.edu>, seattle@hydra.unm.edu (David G. Adams) writes:
> Subject just about says it all.  I need to format some disks in IBM format,
> so they'll read on a friend's PC.  I know, the simple solution is to use
> his PC, but he lives 3 states over...  I know TOS 1.4 has this feature
> built in, but I don't have 1.4.  I have an '86 model 520ST.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Dave
>
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The standard ST format is the same as the IBM format.  The difference is the
boot sector--IBM's don't recognize the ST boot sector, but ST's recoginize the
DOS boot sector.  So you format the disk, then write an MS-DOS boot sector onto
it.  DC Formatter, a PD format program which should be in the Usenet archives
somewhere, can do this.  Make sure you don't change the format parameters
before writing the boot sector or you will get the wrong boot sector.  Use
double sided, 80 tracks, 9 sectors/track, normal interleave (as opposed to Fast
interleave) and write the boot sector, and you should have no problem reading
it on the ST or IBM.
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Date: 29 Jan 90 03:28:48 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!mcdchg!chinet!saj@ucsd.edu  (Stephen
 Jacobs)
Subject: Shareware Policy.
Message-ID: <1990Jan29.032848.2760@chinet.chi.il.us>
 
This is replying to a note including suggestions to make shareware better.  I'm
convinced that everyone who should pay for shareware means to pay for it.  But
it's always hard to send money into the unknown: even tiny amounts of money.
Come to that, even ANYTHING.  My personal reference is the port of umoria to
the ST--I asked people to send me picture postcards for my trouble; perhaps 10
people have.  And there's also my own feeling: I use a piece of IBM-world
shareware that's about 6 years old.  I can't believe there's still someone at
that address.
   I think the whole idea of shareware could use re-examination.  If I write
a program, and impressing people with what nice programs I write is a big
motivation, then why should the admiring fans send me money?  My payoff is in
their using it, and I need them more than they need me.  On the other hand, if
AFTER impressing people with a nice program I have some goodie to sell, that's
a different matter.  Like I'm finally about ready to admit that there's no
market for something I wrote.  If it comes to that, I'll give it away, but if
someone wants to know how the neat effects work, the source will be for sale.
   There are plenty of goodies to sell.  Most shareware-type stuff doesn't
need support, but some does (who'd want to get deep into MICRORTX without making
sure David Beckemeyer would answer his questions?).  An awful lot of shareware
utilities are buggy at first: if something ALMOST works well, the first upgrade
might still be shareware, but later ones might only go to contributors.  The
key isn't so much the need for the support, or upgrade, or source; it's the
contact with someone.  It's less like sending money into the void.  And of
course the need for the author to RESPOND makes it a lot more like work.  Which
is probably a key to something important.
   One of the points in the GNU manifesto is worth thinking about: even if
programs are freely transmitted, programmers still have something to sell.
                                Steve J.
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 07:39:50 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@uunet.uu.net  (Ralph Haglund)
Subject: Shareware Policy.
Message-ID: <1990Jan29.073950.24385@lth.se>
 
I don't see the problem in sending money to the US. For smaller amounts,
put a few dollar bills in a regular envelope - the chance of loosing them
in transport is small.
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 05:04:58 GMT
From: dartvax!eleazar.dartmouth.edu!squibby@CS.BU.EDU  (Clark L. Breyman)
Subject: Technical Documentation (
Message-ID: <18892@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>
 
In article <90012818034046@masnet.uucp> ron.sharp@canremote.uucp (RON SHARP)
 writes:
<stuff eliminated>
>My flash of anger was sparked by the policy that registered developers
>are not allowed to devulge information.  (Or answer techical questions
>on this network, I presume.)  So that any non-Atari information is
>"discovered" by hacking around.  I really doubt this cuts down on
>misinformation.
 ...
 
A point of buiness in the information age (to use a cliche) is that information
is a self-standing commodity independant of its medium that can be traded. The
unique facet of information is that it is possible to sell one's information and
keep it after the transaction. If this is prohibited in the original agreement
prior to the transfer of information, then it is criminal. Examples of this are
software piracy and intelectual piracy(plagiarism). But why should
software be unique? I understand that the FSF folks do not beliece in private
ownership of information, but can a corporation producing information products
independant of public sponsorship subscibe to such a philosophy and stay in
buisness? Doubtfull.
 
Before we wind up in a political discussion on the ethics of private ownership
in general, I wish to make two assertions:
 
        1) If an information product adds value to an enterprise, then that
                information product has real value and the source of the
                information has a right to reasonable compensation
                for that information.
 
        An example of this would be a royalty paid to atari from Abacus for
        the right to publish dissassembled XBIOS, BIOS and GEM listings.
 
        2) Atari is very strict about control of their information probably
                to the detrement of their product. Their choice, our loss.
                The non-disclosure agreement is neither novel nor rare in
                information buisness. It's the meat of all JOA's. If we as
                a community want better information at a cheaper price,
                then it is OUR responsibility, not theirs, to convince Atari
                that they should do as we wish.
 
        Given, information ownership is a tricky subject, but it is neccessary
        for those dreaming of careers in information management (including
        academic jobs even on non-technical faculty) for us to have an under-
        standing of the economic foundations of our future livelihood.
 
        Sinc,
        Clark Breyman (presently a student of some sort)
 
 
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 90 23:42:00 EST
From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Yes, I have an STE
Message-ID: <90Jan28.234400est.59037@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
To those who asked if I actually have an STE, the answer is yes. In fact, I
I just wrapped up a review for a U.S. based magazine, Current Notes. And, yes,
I really do want to know about the STE and multisyncs!
 
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