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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Tue, 20 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  238
 
Today's Topics:
                 Becoming an official Atari Developer
       Club pirating orgies (planting viruses: The Amiga Lamer
                      MicroEMACS 3.10 -- thanks
                         PC Ditto Screen Save
                        PYRO Screen saver.....
                               SCREEN$
                               XEP80's
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Date: 20 Feb 90 23:28:36 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!myrias!mj@tut.cis.ohio-state.ed
 u  (Michal Jaegermann)
Subject: Becoming an official Atari Developer
Message-ID: <635556517.22235@myrias.com>
 
Please note that attached note is posted on behalf of Johann Ruegg
from Sozobon Ltd.  I can only add to it that developers situation
seems to be much clearer in U.S. than in other countries, like
Canada.  Long time ago I paid my $300. I do not complain. I got my
standard package with Alcyon C and later some updates and MadMac.  But
otherwise, most of the time Atari Canada simply pretended that I do
not exist.  Sometimes what I explicitely requested something I got it
(S.A.L.A.D.); sometimes I did not (anything on Mega).  But now will be
close to two years, I guess, when it was the last time when I heard
something from them.  I guess that it would be easier if I would live
in a Toronto area, but Canada is a quite sizeable country, you know.
   Michal Jaegermann
   mj@myrias.COM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  cut here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
There has been some discussion about Atari's developer's program
recently.  The problem for Atari seems to be a major one.  I can
see why it is still being refined.
 
Sozobon Ltd. would certainly like to remain "official".  It seems we
will probably get in under the grandfather provision (unless that changes).
But consider the alternatives:
 
        1) Does Sozobon C qualify since it is used by at least 10,000
        ST owners worldwide (the number is just a guess).
 
        2) Does Sozobon C qualify since it has been reviewed by ST World?
 
        3) Does Sozobon C qualify since it is the basis for a series on
        C programming being published in a German magazine.
 
  or    4) Does Sozobon C NOT qualify simply because it is FREE.
 
If we could get discounts on a TT, we MAY feel like coming out with a
version of the compiler that supports the 68030 instruction set better.
If not, we probably cannot afford to do this.
 
Perhaps we should make the next version Shareware instead of Freeware so
that we can be "offical" developers???
 
Or would someone like to volunteer to publish the Sozobon debugger
I am working on "Commercially"??
 
Note that Sozobon Ltd is a real company, although our gross revenues for
1989 were something like $300.
 
I am not trying to suggest that Atari should abandon its developer's program.
I just think they are going to have to think about it very carefully.
Before, they were just selling documentation and a compiler for $300.
When you add the possiblity of hardware discounts, the picture becomes
a lot cloudier.  Anyone seriously considering buying a TT would gladly
pay $250 to get a $1000 discount (or whatever it will be).
 
On the other hand, Apple got itself in trouble by making all potential
developers submit a detailed proposal of their product.  If they didn't
like what you were making, you didn't get in.
 
        Johann Ruegg
        Sozobon Ltd
        uunet!dunike!wldrdg!hans
 
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Date: 20 Feb 90 19:10:50 GMT
From: ecsvax.uncecs.edu!uncmed!news@mcnc.org  (Usenet News Account)
Subject: Club pirating orgies (planting viruses: The Amiga Lamer
Message-ID: <163@uncmed.med.unc.edu>
 
Summary:
Expires:
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Sender:
Reply-To: rhunt@uncmed.med.unc.edu (Rick Hunt)
Followup-To:
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From: rhunt@icard.med.unc.edu (Rick Hunt)
Path: icard!rhunt
 
     The Amiga world is already the unfortunate victim of a virus that was
apparantly meant as an attack on pirates called "lamers", hence the name
Lamer Exterminator.  It works by screwing up diskcopies (only) by, I
believe, writing the word "LAMER" to random blocks during a diskcopy.
Needless to say this virus rapidly escaped the bounds of pirates and is in
the general Amiga community.  I am not sure who I would consider the
bigger scumbuckets,  big time pirates or destructive virus programmers,
so it is hard to decide the lesser of these two evils.
 
     BTW, I think that a lamer is a type of pirate who just passes the
disks around but doesn't do any cracking or the other hard stuff
himself.
 
                                        former ST owner who liked the
                                        computer but not the companies
                                        policies,
                                        Rick Hunt
 
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Date: 20 Feb 90 14:54:17 GMT
From: m2c!seqp4!markr@husc6.harvard.edu  (Mark Roddy)
Subject: MicroEMACS 3.10 -- thanks
Message-ID: <338@seqp4.UUCP>
 
Yes, 3.10 as distributed CANNOT SHELL OUT. Part of the
problem is that it attempts to use MWC library routines
without being "in" a MWC shell environment. The other part
is that there is no attempt to clean up GEM and the mouse
handlers before shelling out.
 
 
I have resolved most of this by reworking "atari.c" and "st520.c",
(i-shell works, filters and pipes are broken.)
 
I am planning on integrating 3.10 with micro-rtx and your favorite
shell to provide a shell co-process. If this takes too long I might
be convinced to post the repaired source files to allow at least
i-shell functions.
--
                                -Mark Roddy
                                seqp4!markr@m2c.org
                                m2c!seqp4!markr
 
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Date: 20 Feb 90 17:21:02 GMT
From: isc-br!lawrence@uunet.uu.net  (Lawrence Kelly)
Subject: PC Ditto Screen Save
Message-ID: <2753@isc-br.ISC-BR.COM>
 
Does anyone have or know where I can find a screen saver
that will work with PC Ditto (I or II) in the color mode?
 
I have tried several that I downloaded from the IBM sig on
genie but none of them seem to work.
 
Thanks, lawrence
 
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Date: 20 Feb 90 22:04:16 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!jane!cosc10hv@tut
 .cis.ohio-state.edu  (Paul Sears)
Subject: PYRO Screen saver.....
Message-ID: <5608.25e16a80@jane.uh.edu>
 
In article <9002170705.AA25353@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, SOCS18@vaxb.york.ac.UK
 (Vision Newspapers) writes:
 
>.....stuff deleted about a neat screen saver he wrote
>
>It's an accessory written in assembler, but I could attempt to post a uuencoded
>version of the ARChive, if anybody is interested. (I can't access the .binaries
>group...)
>
>Mat
>***********************************************************************
>* c/o Dept. Computer Science   * "Baldrick, fetch me a turkey _so    *
>* University of York           * big_, you'd have thought its mother *
>* Heslington                   * had been rodgered by an Omnibus"    *
>* York                         *                                     *
>* YO1 5DD                      * JANET : SOCS18@uk.ac.york.vaxa      *
>***********************************************************************
 
I am very interested.  Please send me a copy, I can attempt to post it to
the binaries group for you (if I can?!?).
 
--
 
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              Mickey Boyd            |    "Nobody can be exactly like me.
         FSU Computer Science        |      Even I have trouble doing it."
      mail:  boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu   |              - Tallulah Bankhead
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
I myself use a PD program called PRYO which is modeled after the screen saver
for the Macintosh under the same name but is not PD.  Anyway, this screen saver
displays alittle firework show.  It could be the same as the "stars" that
everyone keeps mentioning.  Anyway, if you are using a color monitor, then it
diplays fireworks of random colors at a random intervals on the screen.  No
matter what rez you are in it will use 16 colors.  In mono, it only uses white.
I like pyro because it reminds me if I forgot and left my computer on.  I
haven't had any problems with it interferring with any other programs but my
software base is limited.....
 
Paul Sears
University of Houston
COSC10HV@Elroy.Uh.Edu
 
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 18:56:52 EST
From: FRAJKOR/ATARISTUFF@CARLETON.CA
Subject: SCREEN$
Message-ID: <900220.19010381.074987@CU.CP6>
 
  One more idea for Atari people to consider:  Sell the Stacy
LCD screen as a separate accessory, able to plug into the regular
video port of the ST line.  Why? I have a color monitor and Spectre
GCR.  I would love to have the high resolution of a mono monitor,
but there is no room on my desk for one more bulky CRT.  On the
other hand, a nice flat LCD mounted on a swing-away or flip-up(down)
mechamism attached to the color monitor would be just right.   Even
if it costs morethan a mono monitor, the space/weight savings would
be worth it to me.
    If you do it, Atari, remember to send me one free for making you
richer.
 
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Date: 20 Feb 90 23:48:50 GMT
From: bbn.com!slackey@bbn.com  (Stan Lackey)
Subject: XEP80's
Message-ID: <52430@bbn.COM>
 
In article <27134@cup.portal.com> Metalist@cup.portal.com (Bryan Jones
 Woodworth) writes:
>Hello I would be interested in knowing at what price you would expect to get
>for an XEP80.  I have been wondering about the usefulness of XEP80z.
 
XEP80's run at around $80 through mail order, don't they?  I bought a used
one through the net for $40.  I would guess that the guy with 5 would probably
take $40 or $50 (forgot the name).
 
I think that the Atari is missing something at 40 cols.  I think 80 cols
almost makes it a computer (now all I need is a hard disk or ramdisk...
sigh).  Software would be the issue.  Any program that dosn't conflict
with the driver (in memory), that does standard I/O to the E: device should
work.  My editor, which simply repaints the screen with any change doesn't,
so I am in the process of rewriting it (and am including many other features
as well).  I think it is a great addition.  The XEP80 includes a parallel
printer port, which I haven't needed or used yet.
-Stan
 
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