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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu,  1 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  139
 
Today's Topics:
                        A couple of questions
                      All BBS's speak English??
           Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
                            C-lab notator
                   Getting rid of blinking cursor?
                  IBM PC / ATARI ST Disk Screwed Up
               Monitor Burnout/ Should got a MAGNAVOX!
                OK, so they sell the STe in Europe...
                   Shareware MICRO RTX and MGR ????
                       Software/mouse problems
                       ST S/ware Rental Places
                        Wanted: Minix QL guru
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Date: 1 Feb 90 15:01:24 GMT
From: uwm.edu!mrsvr.UUCP!news@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (News Manager)
Subject: A couple of questions
Message-ID: <1981@mrsvr.UUCP>
 
Sender:
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Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Keywords: disk format st-log
From: krieg@jupiter.uucp (Andrew Krieg)
Path: jupiter.uucp!krieg
 
1) I recently found on a local BBS a program that supposedly formats Atari
disks to 1 Meg (on a DS drive).  Since I personally have never succeeded in
formatting past 810K I was wondering if this program could really work or if
it could really screw up a disk.
 
2) Has anyone been contacted by LFP about a refund to their now defunct
subscription to ST-LOG?  Or is it time for a long distance call.
 
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 14:05:54 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!tut!korppi.tut.fi!av74381@uunet.uu.net  (Vesterinen Arto)
Subject: All BBS's speak English??
Message-ID: <10973@etana.tut.fi>
 
I have been running a local bbs on Atari ST for couple of years here
in Finland. Some of the BBS's youngest users don't speak English very well
and they have hard time understanding the functions of the bbs.
I have used Steven Grimm's BB/ST and now my system runs  Michtron's Multiuser
BBS program. I have had good experience of both of these programs but
I would like to make things little easier for my users and get a Finnish
speaking BBS software. There are also other confusing things than language,
for example dates should be of form dd-mm-yy, not mm-dd-yy. Time
should be military time, not AM/PM form.
 
I don't know any commercial bbs programs which could
be translated TOTALLY (without serious hacking ;-) ) into another language.
 
For best results I quess I should write my own piece of software,
or port some PD bbs on my system.
 
If there exists any PD bbs software INCLUDING the source code (Citadel?),
would you please e-mail me how to get these.
 
 
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I  Arto Vesterinen                   I  Internet  av74381@tut.fi  I
I  Tampere University of Technology  I  UUCP      tut!av74381     I
I  Finland                           I  Bitnet    av74381@fintut  I
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 15:08:01 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!tiger!swklassen@
 tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Steven W. Klassen)
Subject: Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
Message-ID: <20396@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
 
In article <485d8c5b.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>
>well, once again Atari Corp has shown how much it cares about the
>USA market by releasing its new products overseas first. I really wonder
>just how committed Atari corp is to the USa market anyway??
>
>So, I am happy that the STe isn't Vaporware but it just joins the group of
>other Atari products that have never been sold here in the USA. Like th
>entire line of PC clones, the TT, and now the STe. Geez, when will Atari ever
 learn
>that the USA is not some hick third world country?
 
The PC clones never made it to the USA?  I'm almost certain that I've seen
them in a store here in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.
 
Steven W. Klassen                       +-----------------------------+
Computer Science Major                  | Support the poor...buy fur! |
University of Waterloo                  +-----------------------------+
 
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 90 09:22 EST
From: Eric S. Crawley <ESC@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
Subject: C-lab notator
Message-ID: <19900201142254.8.ESC@DJINN.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
 
    Date: Wed, 31 Jan 90 22:23:00 EST
    From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
    Can someone on the net tell me where I can get this program?
 
It is distributed in North America by Digidesign, Inc.  Their phone number is
415-327-8811.  There are a number of mail order places that sell it along with
music stores that sell MIDI software for the ST.
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 06:38:48 GMT
From: snorkelwacker!ai-lab!jpexg@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (John Purbrick)
Subject: Getting rid of blinking cursor?
Message-ID: <6231@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu>
 
I've written a program in Laser C which invokes an editor via Pexec() and
after the user exits does some other stuff before ending. The blinking
block cursor stays on throughout the program's run and then follows all
the way onto the desktop. It sits there flashing on a window or the background
until the next program is run. It's apparently harmless, but annoying.
 
Is there a command that gets rid of this troublesome object?
 
                                                John Purbrick
                                                jpexg@ai.mit.edu
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 09:26:21 GMT
From:
 mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!ephemeral.ai.toronto.edu!om
 icron.cs.fsu.edu!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: IBM PC / ATARI ST Disk Screwed Up
Message-ID: <9001312235.AA06833@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <1938@bucket.UUCP>, leonard@bucket.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) writes:
>
>I'd say that the machine with the 1.44 Meg  drive is badly broken.
>--
>Leonard Erickson               ...!tektronix!reed!percival!bucket!leonard
>CIS: [70465,203]
>"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools.
>Let's start with typewriters." -- Solomon Short
 
 
Nope, I have just discovered the same problem.  Someone post a solution
quick!!
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 09:49:18 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Mark F. Newton)
Subject: Monitor Burnout/ Should got a MAGNAVOX!
Message-ID: <2498@sactoh0.UUCP>
 
Uh, I hate to tell you, Philips owns Maganavox. Sylvania too.
Rather, Magnavox and Sylvania, is part of NAP- North American
Philips. A few years ago, they were once owned by GTE, but Philips
bought them.
 
On a side note, Zenith is the only American (practically) consumer
electronics company left. RCA is owned by the French (Thomsen) and
Sylvania/Magnavox by the Dutch. But no one says anything about the
Europeans, because they are white. But mention Sony buying
Columbia, and you hear xenophobic prattle.
 
But I digress...
Mark Newton-John
 
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 90  10:55 GMT
From: Jan Ameij <AMEIJ%vax.oxford.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK>
Subject: OK, so they sell the STe in Europe...
 
So, Rich Covert is terribly cross that Atari have started selling the STe over
here first, eh? Well, everything has to be sold somewhere first, and it seems
fairly logical to release the STe in the area where ST's do best. Why should
everything be sold in the USA first? The idea that this degrades America to the
status of a Third World Country is a) insulting to LDC's, b) insulting to
Europe (should we have got it after the USA to confirm our status) and c)
indicative of the sort of inferiority complex that hardware scrolling won't
cure.
 
Honestly, some people.
 
Jan Ameij.
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 11:52:04 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!exunido!agrusow@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Vishchers)
Subject: Shareware MICRO RTX and MGR ????
Message-ID: <1947@laura.UUCP>
 
Now that most of us have a shareware Multitasking kernel, has anyone given
a thought to porting MGR, the Bellcore Window Manager, to TOS ???
 
I might try it, as soon as I've finished the Ghostscript port, which will
still take some time, but perhaps someone else is already busy with it?
 
Just thinking...
 
Michael
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 08:52:16 GMT
From: ogicse!plains!blee@decwrl.dec.com  (Blaine Lee)
Subject: Software/mouse problems
Message-ID: <3284@plains.UUCP>
 
Hi I am having trouble with some PD/sharware programs and my mouse.
 
TUZZLE    1988 Armin Daubmann
SQUIXX    1986 Michael Kolb
DOMINO_2  1987 Mulsoft
 
All of these will start and run but seem unable to read the joystick.
Yes..., they do run correctly on a friend's older cpu with a with 1.0 TOS.
 
Uniterm 2.0e from terminator.cc.umich.edu
 
It does everything that it is supposed to with one extra:  after using
it for a while (especialy moving between many menus/screens/boxes) it
will start leaving small boxes (aprox[###]) arround after moving over
menu selections, and the mouse will disapear.  Am I alone in this??
Other than that a great system.
 
My last complaint: The *#$@ mouse will swap up for down occasionaly after
swaping disks (in the short time that the pointer disappears while
redrawing a window) I can see no pattern nor is it easy to repeat
(it will revert to correct _sometimes_).  Is there a patch?
 
My system:
1040 STf (the standard U.S. ST) 1.2 TOS, bought Dec. 89
1 meg, 1 drive, mono, no DA's or ACC's
 
What can be done?  are there patches, new versions, or anything else??
how about loading TOS 1.0 into ram(how do I do this(please gime me source
not a discription))?
 
please email me...I'll repost summary.
thanks.
 
Blaine Lee                      Hey Dude! Lets parity!!!
blee @ plains.nodak.edu
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 00:25:22 GMT
From:
 swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!uflorida!haven!uvaarpa!murdoch!astsun9.astro.Virg
 inia.EDU!gl8f@ucsd.edu  (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <1990Feb1.002522.6913@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 
In article <34467@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> stowe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (stowe)
 writes:
#In article <NVXS1~@rpi.edu> kudla@pawl.rpi.edu (Robert J. Kudla) writes:
# >In <26747@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
# >
# >> A software pirate can literally mass produce 100's of copies
# >> of software an hour.
# >I can see perhaps even 50 copies in an hour, but "100's"? Baloney.
#Times how many machines?
 
Maple comes with a 403 page reference manual and a 115 page tutorial.
I'd be hard-pressed to copy this quickly. It also comes with support,
which no pirate can copy. Maple is good software, and costs good money
for a reason. It also has a little built-in anti-pirate protection
because of the good manuals.
 
Can we stop beating this dead horse already? It was boring a year ago
when we had an inconclusive discussion about it.
 
 
Greg Lindahl
gl8f@virginia.edu                                  Astrophysicists for Choice.
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 10:55:33 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!fwi.uva.nl!croes@uunet.uu.net  (Felix A. Croes)
Subject: Wanted: Minix QL guru
Message-ID: <397@fwi.uva.nl>
 
Hello QL users everywhere,
 
Thank you again for all your replies. Clearly the QL is not dead yet! I even got
reactions of the sort "I have allways been considering to buy a QL, with Minix
working on it I certainly will".
 
Let me emphasize that the current version is *not* going to be distributed in
any way. It is about four times as slow as on the ST, supports only 720K disks,
and all the bugs are not out yet. Many things can be and should be improved.
 
Due to circumstance and lack of time I am not able to do further work on Minix
QL myself. I am therefore looking for a person or persons who are willing to do
this. Candidates must have:
- a Sinclair QL with
  - at least 640K of memory
  - at least one 720K 3 1/2" disk drive, Cumana or Cumana compatible (flp1_*d2d
    must work for reading/writing the whole disk)
AND
- a Atari ST with Minix
AND
- some way to transfer files from the ST to the QL (for example, XOVER).
 
You will need the ST to compile the kernel, and a 3 1/2" drive for fast file
transfer. It is possible to work with a QL only, but this will slow down things
considerably.
 
Anybody interested?
 
--
 
Felix Croes    (croes@fwi.uva.nl)
 
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