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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Sat, 10 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  182
 
Today's Topics:
                          3.5" disks needed!
                            C++ on the ST
         Note to U.S. netters (Re: Note to European netters)
                               PC Speed
                         Review of Sozobon C
                                Wanted
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Date: 10 Feb 90 06:29:26 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs
 .toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.edu!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: 3.5" disks needed!
Message-ID: <9002100630.AA24239@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <2013@moscom.UUCP>, tmb@moscom.UUCP (Tom Bellucco) writes:
>Help!!  For the past couple years, I've been buying bulk 3.5" DSDD disks from
>MEI/MicroCenter.  I've bought THOUSANDS of disks from them, starting when they
>were $1 per disk.  Now they are $.45 per disk and they are shit.  Out of each
>200 I buy, at least 50-75 of them won't format DS.  I figure they are just
>using SS disks (because the SS disks are the same price).  Back when the
>disks were from $.70 - $1 each, they were great disks and it was a great deal.
>Now it sucks having to return disks only to get more bad ones.  Some of these
>disks have "marks" (look like scratches) across the media that I just wonder
>is doing to my drive.
>
>I need to find a place that sells bulk DSDD disks, GOOD disks at a good price.
>I buy, on the average, 100 a month.
>
>.........
>--
> Tom Bellucco - moscom!tmb@cs.rochester.edu  or  ?...?!rochester!moscom!tmb
>                    -------------------------------------
>   "Whatever I said, I didn't mean it...unless, of course, you liked it!"
>   #include <std.disclaimer>
 
I have recently seen an ad in the latest Damark catalog (have some real deals,
and some real caca) for bulk Sony disks.  Cost is $79 for 100 disks.  I don't
know if they are good or factory seconds or what, but the price seems good.
They have a 1-800 number (they advertise in everything, they are the ones with
the full page adds for discontinued lapstops and stuff) which I do not have
handy, but I recommend finding it and requesting a catalog.  They do have some
neat stuff in there, weird things that the general populus did not catch on
to, but are just the thing for us wire-heads.
 
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              Mickey Boyd            |    "Nobody can be exactly like me.
         FSU Computer Science        |      Even I have trouble doing it."
      mail:  boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu   |              - Tallulah Bankhead
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Date: 8 Feb 90 17:42:12 GMT
From: ncrlnk!ncrwic!wsucsa!mwjester@uunet.uu.net
Subject: C++ on the ST
Message-ID: <12766@wsucsa.uucp>
 
In article <451@pico.oz>, akenning@pico.oz (Alan Kennington) writes:
> I'm amazed that I haven't seen any mention of C++ for the Atari ST.
> Does anyone if there is such a thing? After all, the IBM PC has had it for
> years now.
>
> ak.
FSF's GNU project C++ is available (in not fully-debugged form) from a couple
of FTP'able sites -- terminator.cc.umich.edu is one -- but from all reports
it requires at least 2Mbytes to run, 4M to do anything serious, so an unex-
panded 1040ST is not enough.  If you have a Mega or have expanded your ST's
memory, you might want to check it out.
 
--
Max J
mwjester@wsucsa
 
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 90 04:57 EDT
From: Jacob Baltuch <BALTUCH@binah.cc.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Note to U.S. netters (Re: Note to European netters)
 
In
 
Message-ID: In <1990Feb8.160136.12703@Solbourne.COM>
Date: 8 Feb 90 16:01:36 GMT
 
stan!katmandu!stevem@boulder.colorado.edu  (Stephen Matson) jumps
on AMEIJ@vax.oxford.ac.UK (Jan Ameij)
 
because the latter allegedly jumped on the collective group of ignorant European
netters, that is to say those European users which are ignorant of network
manners or more specifically of listerver manners and of which there seem
to be just as sufficient a number on this side, thank you very much.
 
>      I'm the one that got a good laugh at your semi-hostile tone.
 
Hmm. Doesn't look to me like this one is particularly friendly, does it?
 
>     This group is one of the worst for intolerance.
 
No kidding!
 
Actually although Jan's note is basically common sense and I'd even say
helpful, the tone does get spoiled a bit at the end
 
>>   If not, a) ask someone who knows about these things and b) ask yourself
>>   if you are really suited to this form of communication. Perhaps it would be
>>   better to learn a little more first?
 
Observe that the note would have been almost perfect if the AND between (a)
and (b) was replaced by an OR... (a) ask somebody OR (b) ask yourself if etc...
Notice the "subtle" change? ("You can redeem yourself, if only...")
The mysteries of Boolean Algebra and/or (oh no!) logic at work.
(Hey, while I'm at it, how do you apply Metaphysics?... That was how you apply
Boolean Algebra, but Metaphysics?...)
 
In any case, if I was just starting to get used to networks and stuff and I had
forgotten say how to unsuscribe, I'd think such a note was heaven sent.
I mean, not only does it irritate the whole list and it's embarrassing (very,
I would be anyhow) but it EVEN DOESN'T WORK... Clearly people who do that wish
they didn't... So anyway, I don't think that anyone would have to go into
psychotherapy, or be traumatized for the rest of their life for reading Jan's
note EVEN if they considered themselves part of those who are NOT suited to
electronic communication, not until they learned some more anyway.
 
>   a) Ask yourself if your really suited to communicating. or b) Perhaps
>    it would be better to learn a little manners first.
 
Yeah right. You see, the difference is that Jan was teasing or being sarcastic
or whatever, towards an undefined group, an abstraction, into anyone is free to
identify themselves or not, whereas you were firing up his own personal ass.
My, Stephen, I think you were the cranky one that morning,
 
Jacob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 90 23:47:00 EST
From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Subject: PC Speed
Message-ID: <90Feb9.235128est.57802@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
Even though I paid for PC Ditto II in Sept 89, I still have not rec'd it.
I got so tired of waiting that I bought PC Speed. After installing it the
other day, I post the following message on our local BBS.
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Last night, I installed the PC Speed board that I showed to users at the
meeting on Tuesday. The installation was very easy in a Mega; I just had
to solder a 64 pin socket on top of the 68000.
 
After I plugged the board into the socket, I booted the Mega and ran
PC_INSTL.PRG. I set up the screen as an Olivetti (640x400) instead of
either Hercules or CGA to get the same screen layout as the default ST
screen. I then ran PC_SPEED.PRG, and, when asked, supplied MS DOS.
 
The NORTON SI was 4.0. I tested out dBASEIII Plus and Word Perfect - no
problems at all (except for the fact they are PC applications which means
they do not come up to the level of Mac or ST software's user friendliness).
 
At a future user's group meeting, I will show my Mega running as an ST,
as a Mac (runs 20% faster than a Mac Plus) and a PC (runs at the speed of
a Turbo XT). How's that for compatibility. If I had the cash, I would install
a 16 MHz 68000 and run the ST at > 2x the speed of a Mac. I could also get
the German 386SX/387 board and run the ST like a Compaq 386 !!!
 
Other facts about PC_SPEED.
 
(i) multi-meg STs can use the extra RAM as extended memory (my NORTON
    SI says I have 960k extended memory with the Mega 2).
 
(ii) extra RAM can be used as a RAM disk with a supplied .SYS file.
 
(iii) the 68881 math co-processor will be used to emulate an 8087 so that
      a single co-processor can be used for Mac, ST and PC modes.
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Since that posting, I formatted drive C: with MS DOS but I could not get
PC Speed to boot from hard disk. Was that because I reran HINSTALL to have
the ST boot from C: as well?
 
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 22:50:55 GMT
From:
 snorkelwacker!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!moray!nuchat!j
 amesio@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (James Faircloth)
Subject: Review of Sozobon C
Message-ID: <19414@nuchat.UUCP>
 
I am looking for a public domain or shareware C compiler (with full)
documentation.  If you have one, please email me...
 
If it is possible to uuencode it, please do so and email it to me.
 
Thanks.
 
James
 
--
 
jamesio@nuchat.UUCP
jamesio@nuchat.sccsi.com
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 23:05:41 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!moray!nuchat!jamesio@tut.cis.ohi
 o-state.edu  (James Faircloth)
Subject: Wanted
Message-ID: <19415@nuchat.UUCP>
 
I am looking for a public domain or shareware C compiler (with full)
documentation.  If you have one, please email me...
 
If it is possible to uuencode it, please do so and email it to me.
 
Thanks.
 
James
 
--
 
jamesio@nuchat.UUCP
jamesio@nuchat.sccsi.com
 
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