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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon,  7 May 90       Volume 90 : Issue  519
 
Today's Topics:
         Developer's gripes (was STE TOS / TOS 1.4/1.6 etc.)
                        Educational discount.
          Fortran 77 (was Re:  INFO-ATARI16 Digest V90 #500)
                     Mac-->Atari Sound Converters
                             Smalltalk ??
                          Zmodem and Uniterm
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Date: 4 May 90 21:33:15 GMT
From:
 usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watcgl!electro!ig
 nac@ucsd.edu  (Ignac Kolenko)
Subject: Developer's gripes (was STE TOS / TOS 1.4/1.6 etc.)
Message-ID: <1733@electro.UUCP>
 
In article <1990May3.170737.8279@irscscm> mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
 writes:
>I more or less agree.  The stream of documentation hasn't always been
>steady but in the last six months or so it has been great.  And it's
>more than just docs that's getting to developers now.  Disks containing
>lists of end users, dealers, and press sources are becoming available.
>Very useful programs are being sent out.  Discounts for Atari hardware
>and software are being offerred to developers.  The softsource (or
>whatever) program atari is kicking off will be a great advantage for
>developers.
>
>I thank Atari for their developer support.
 
 
 
 
 
i wish i could say the same for Atari Canada: here at Electrohome,
we haven't received anything in the way of even a simple newsletter
to say that Atari Canada is still alive. Does Atari USA ship the
new docs to Canada, or does Atari Canada have to create the documentation
themselves before registered developers in Canada get the information?
 
anyways, not griping, just wonderin' ...
 
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=====Ignac A. Kolenko (The Ig)=====watmath!watcgl!electro!brasoft!ignac======
     co-author of QuickST, and the entire line of Quick Software!!!!
  Branch Always Software Box 2624, Station B, Kitchener, Ont. CANADA N2H 6N2
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Date: 7 May 90 05:13:35 GMT
From: bionet!hayes!usenet@apple.com
Subject: Educational discount.
Message-ID: <1990May7.051335.19966@hayes.fai.alaska.edu>
 
In article <35003@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>, stephen@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Steve Whitney)
writes...
>Yep... I believe that Atari would pick up _more_ than a few sales by
It has been pointed out numerous times over the years in this group that Atari
doesn't want to sell machines in the US, and they are doing an excellent job
of it.  However, if they ever change their minds, educational discounts would
be a good start.  I actually recall them advertising a small discount a few
years ago as part of a back-to-school promotion.
 
>       1) Making ST, Mega, TT _available_ at university computer shops in the
>               first place.
Very important.
The Atari store is across town from this campus.  Many students don't own
cars.  Those that do have a hard time getting off campus during normal
business hours due to classes and classwork.  Why should they bother to
drive a few miles to check out Atari when they can purchase Apple, IBM,
Toshiba, Zenith, NeXT, etc on campus (with the cooperation of the local
dealers, I might add)?
 
>       2) Offering a student dicsount on said machines
I've asked the local Atari dealer several times why they haven't pushed for
this.  Their answer: "Atari's prices are already lower than anybody else,
so why bother?"  This is of course false.  Also, I've noticed many students
seem to believe that if brand X offers a discount and brand Y doesn't, then
it must be cheaper to buy the brand X system.  Faculty say things like, "the
brand X discount program shows that they are committed to higher education;
brand Y obviously isn't, so avoid them."  Brand Y is, of course, Atari.
 
>       3) Placing ads in campus rags like Apple, Zenith, IBM, and NeXT do.
The Atari dealer does here, periodically.  It seems to help somewhat in
offsetting the damage done by lack of (1) and (2), in that there are some
students and faculty who have STs.
 
I would also add:
        4) Introduce an ST variant with built-in thinwire ethernet.
           On this campus and many others, a machine won't even be considered
           for classroom/lab use if it can't be networked.  And students want
           to buy the same machines used in the classes and labs so they can
           use familiar software with it.
 
>It wouldn't be too tough to do, I imagine.  Even step 2 could be implemented
>by itself just to nullify the competetion's power/price advantage.
Sad but true.  You can mail-order fast 286 and 386sx systems w/hard disk for
the cost of the Megas, and the university discounted Apple and other big-name
systems are comparable in price.
 
>--
>Steve Whitney   "It's never _really_ the last minute"       (())_-_(())
>UCLA Comp. Sci. Grad. Student                                | (* *) |
>Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu              UCLA Bruin-->    
>GEnie:    S.WHITNEY                                           `-----'
I'm not even a student anymore, so I'm not arguing for a student discount
because it would do me any good.  I would just like to see Atari go for the
university market, because it seems to me like one of the few options they
have left to find a niche for themselves.  Even though my STs are 4 years old,
I'd hate to see them orphaned when the parent company dies.
I certainly don't plan to buy more Atari equipment until I see some evidence
of intelligent life in Sunnyvale, though.
 
Don Rice                                  Internet: fnddr@acad3.fai.alaska.edu
Geophysical Institute                     E-mail:   fnddr@alaska.bitnet
University of Alaska                      Phone:    (907) 474-7569
Fairbanks, AK 99775                       Loran:    64.86N 212.16E
All of the above is of course personal opinion.
 
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Date: 6 May 90 09:14:32 GMT
From: usc!snorkelwacker!ira.uka.de!smurf!gopnbg!mcshh!schiers@ucsd.edu  (Carsten
 Schiers)
Subject: Fortran 77 (was Re:  INFO-ATARI16 Digest V90 #500)
Message-ID: <7442@mcshh.hanse.de>
 
I use Prospero Fortran. Though it's slow, I like it, for its source level
debuger and the possibility to link it together with ANSI-C, Pascal, and
Assembler. All integrated into one Workbench together with a make for a
reasonable price. O.K., it's slow, we know this. But Use this time to
think about your code. TURBO-XYZ is a little like an interpreter. You're
using the speed for syntax checking only.
 
CU Carsten.
unido!imdm.uke.uni-hamburg.dbp.de!schiers
unido!netmbx!mcshh!schiers
 
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Date: 7 May 90 04:22:49 GMT
From: ccm020@deneb.ucdavis.edu
Subject: Mac-->Atari Sound Converters
Message-ID: <7281@aggie.ucdavis.edu>
 
Does anyone know an FTP site where I could get a utility to convert Mac format
sound files into Atari format?  So, for example, I could use Kermit to xfer
a Mac sound to my Unix account, and then Kermit from my ST to xfer it back,
and then use this program to convert it to a useable format.  I think there
was such a program in STart a while back, but I never got the disk.
 
 
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Date: 6 May 90 22:28:17 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!buggs@apple.com  (William Edward JuneJr)
Subject: Smalltalk ??
Message-ID: <29668@cup.portal.com>
 
>CU Carsten.
>Smalltalk-80 from ParcPlaceSystems at Georg Heeg at Unido.
>I do not know, whether he is allowed to distribute it outside Germany.
 
Bummer that, now there's two I want! SmallTalk & Turbo C, boy Atari USA sure
should ENCOURAGE dealers to import this STuff, though I'd NEED English docs.
 
Ed June
 
bugg@cup.portal.com
    ~should be buggs, sorry............
 
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Date: 7 May 90 01:10:22 GMT
From: tramp!millert@boulder.colorado.edu  (MILLER TODD C)
Subject: Zmodem and Uniterm
Message-ID: <20721@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
 
  Does anyone know if it is possible to run zmodem from within Uniterm?  I just
get a TOS error when I try.  Is there anyway to make the two get along or am I
just wasting my time?
  Thanks in advance -- Todd
 
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