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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu,  1 Mar 90       Volume 90 : Issue  271
 
Today's Topics:
                     "Monochrome monitor Wanted"
                                G-Dos
               Mystic Formatter and MACCEL2 problems...
                        problems w/ Sozobon C
            STE DMA sound (documentation posted) (2 msgs)
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Date: 26 Feb 90 23:00:40 GMT
From: njin!jvnca!njitgw!mars!mg5184@rutgers.edu  (Michael Gaines)
Subject: "Monochrome monitor Wanted"
Message-ID: <1079@njitgw.njit.edu>
 
Also, I am looking for a monochrome monitor from anywhere. New, used, whatever.
I am also looking for a decent price on Spectre GCR w/Roms.
 
                                                Mike
 
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Date: 27 Feb 90 19:38:10 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.tor
 onto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.edu!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@think.com  (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: G-Dos
Message-ID: <9002271939.AA13439@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <9002270817.AA13951@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, FRACHEL@umiami.Miami.EDU
 writes:
>This is a repost, since no one answered it before:
>
>Where can I get G-Dos?  I have never seen it anywhere.
>
>Simple question, someone MUST know the answer.
>
>Frank
 
One does not "get" GDOS, one receives it (beware of anything like this!).
It is included with any program that uses it.  The first thing one does with
such a program is replace GDOS.PRG with G+PLUS.PRG.  G+PLUS is a better GDOS,
which does not slow down the machine, allows one to select ASSIGN.SYS files,
and does not screw up non-GDOS apps like the original atari GDOS does.  It is
a comercial product (G+PLUS), and costs about $35.
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Date: 28 Feb 90 09:15:22 GMT
From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!cuphub!kar7481@pt.cs.cmu.edu  (Dan
 Karbowsky;AtariEliteOfPghPa bbs412-384-5609)
Subject: Mystic Formatter and MACCEL2 problems...
Message-ID: <4609@cuphub.cup.edu>
 
Has anyone had problems using DC's Mystic Formatter and
MACCEL2.PRG   ???
 
* I mean "boot with both DA's" *
 
(I have TOS 1.2-- but that shouln't matter...)
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Date: 27 Feb 90 17:36:01 GMT
From: tramp!millert@boulder.colorado.edu  (MILLER TODD C)
Subject: problems w/ Sozobon C
Message-ID: <17478@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
 
  I just got Sozobon C from terminator and I'm trying to get it up and running.
My problem is that when I type "cc filename.c" I get an error message to the
effect that "filename.c is not a known suffix" (or something like that).
Does anyone know what's wrong (probably something simple).  I set up the
directories like the docs say, as well as the indicated environmental
variables (PATH, INCLUDE, TMP, etc).  I'm using the Pcommand shell if that
makes any difference (got to print out those gulam docs!).
  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.
                                                  -Todd
 
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|Some get stoned, some get strange.  Sooner or later it all gets real. Walk on.|
+---------------------------------\Neil Young/---------------------------------+
 
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Date: 27 Feb 90 16:37:00 GMT
From: ucsdhub!hp-sdd!apollo!rehrauer@ucsd.edu  (Steve Rehrauer)
Subject: STE DMA sound (documentation posted)
Message-ID: <48e598ff.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>
 
In article <37193@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin
 Clendenien) writes:
>In article <22463@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth)
 writes:
>>   I am glad that SOMEONE at least is posting information about Atari
>>machines, Atari sure isn't going to do it!  It is a sad state of
>>affairs when you have to spend a couple of hundred bucks just to get
>>information on your machine.
>
>   Don't be so glad.  If people keep breaking their agreements with
>Atari not to publish this information, Atari will have no choice but
>to restrict the information even further.
 
Sorry, that line of reasoning seems retarded.  I understand that Atari
cannot afford to give away disks and manuals and software.  And if
developer information includes advance notice of corporate strategy
(e.g.: notice of pending new products), then yes, Atari must ask for
some restraint.  They deserve it, in that case.
 
But what was posted hardly warrants any concern from Atari -- if anything,
they should be happy to see such information spread to the four winds.  No
one at Atari had to type it up & post it, nor pay for distribution.  If it
makes a feature of their product line more accessible, then what in god's
name is the harm in that?  So what if someone propagates the information
and doesn't dot their i's correctly?  It's regrettable, but hardly a tragedy
or legal liability for Atari.  What do you think disclaimers are for?
 
>   As far as having to spend a couple of hundred bucks just to get
>information on your machine, this is no different than IBM, Mac, or
>Amiga computers.  When you buy IBM and DOS, do you get a technical
>reference manual?  NO!
 
Neither do you have representatives of IBM, Apple or Commodore chiding
people for telling others how to program their machines.  Not for giving
*incorrect* information, mind, just information.
 
What was posted wasn't source code.  It didn't cause a loss of whatever
competitive edge Atari may have.  I'm not flaming Kevin Clendenien, and
Atari may have the legal rights to build fences around anything they damn
well please, but it sure seems dumb in cases like this.  What, are they
in business to sell hardware or developer kits??
 
>  Sure it's available, but at a cost.  This
>same scenario is played out with both Mac and Amiga computers.  You
>can find information on the Atari line of computers without having
>to become a developer.  But, just as with the above mentioned
>computers, you will have to pay for it.  I wish information was
>free, but we all know that just ain't so.  Knowledge makes the world
>go round.  Not just in the computer field, but in every field.
 
Right, so don't defend arbitrary suppression of knowledge.
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>>"Aaiiyeeee!  Death from above!"<< | Steve Rehrauer, rehrauer@apollo.hp.com
   "Flee, lest we be trod upon!"    | The Apollo System Division of H.P.
 
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Date: 27 Feb 90 04:22:30 GMT
From: silver!kclenden@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (Kevin Clendenien)
Subject: STE DMA sound (documentation posted)
Message-ID: <37193@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
 
In article <22463@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth)
 writes:
>   I am glad that SOMEONE at least is posting information about Atari
>machines, Atari sure isn't going to do it!  It is a sad state of
>affairs when you have to spend a couple of hundred bucks just to get
>information on your machine.
>
>--
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>*     Christoper Roth                         *  "Machines have no
>*     InterNet  :  cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu      *   Conscience..."
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Post No Bills-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
Christoper,
 
   Don't be so glad.  If people keep breaking their agreements with
Atari not to publish this information, Atari will have no choice but
to restrict the information even further.
 
   As far as having to spend a couple of hundred bucks just to get
information on your machine, this is no different than IBM, Mac, or
Amiga computers.  When you buy IBM and DOS, do you get a technical
reference manual?  NO!  Sure it's available, but at a cost.  This
same scenario is played out with both Mac and Amiga computers.  You
can find information on the Atari line of computers without having
to become a developer.  But, just as with the above mentioned
computers, you will have to pay for it.  I wish information was
free, but we all know that just ain't so.  Knowledge makes the world
go round.  Not just in the computer field, but in every field.
 
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kclenden@silver.bacs.indiana.edu                          Kevin Clendenien
BLoomington Atari ST users group                          BLAST, President
BLAST BBS - (812) 332-0573                                FNET node #141
 
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