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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon, 19 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  228
 
Today's Topics:
            "ATARI ELITE..."-- * PLEASE CHANGE SUBJECT!!!
                Backup-software (cheap = pirate copy?)
                             ibmpc-->st?
                    MINIX and NETWORK connections
                         PC BOARD DESIGNING.
                               poolfix3
                          Shareware Policy.
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Date: 19 Feb 90 03:24:07 GMT
From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!cuphub!kar7481@pt.cs.cmu.edu  (Dan
 Karbowsky;AtariEliteOfPghPa bbs412-384-5609)
Subject: "ATARI ELITE..."-- * PLEASE CHANGE SUBJECT!!!
Message-ID: <4323@cuphub.cup.edu>
 
Would it be too much to ask to PLEASE change the SUBJECT HEADER
on messages in the "ATARI ELITE ST Org. of Pittsburgh" thread!?!?!
 
The constant posting of "xxx yyy zzz piracy..." under the SUBJECT HEADER
mentioned above is likely to give quite a few people THE WRONG IDEA!
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I know of no ST usergroup who desires to be associated with piracy--
          THE ATARI ELITE of Pittsburgh is *NO EXCEPTION*
 
Might I suggest a NEW SUBJECT THREAD like "PIRACY...ZZZ YYY XXX..."
or something of the sort?
 
 
P.S; To all who'll be attending the T.A.F. show on April 1 in Mississagua,
     Ontario-- Be looking for Blue-And-White-clad Americans with the urge
     to help Canada's economy--(There should be 30 or so of us... :-) )
 
 
 
   Again, let me reitterate-- PLEASE DISASSOCIATE THE ABOVEMENTIONED
           USERGROUP WITH PIRACY---IF ANYTHING WILL KILL A USERGROUP,
             IT IS SPORATIC,SPOTTY,UN-FACTUAL ACCUSATIONS THAT
                    HAVE NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED!!!
 
   To those who hurled the "Atari Elite = PIRACY" stones:
 
        Please take the time from now on to find out just who
      owns the glass you will be attempting to break.....
        ( and also if it is justified [without FACTS] )
 
RE: The comment made by Mickey Boyd at (FSU?) about an "ELITE" level existing
    on most BBS's.....Thanks for clearing this up for me----I was having
    trouble figuring out how to summarize it 8-)
 
    As Mr.Boyd said, ELITE on *** SOME *** boards refers to a secret level
    that only a fistfull of pirates have access too...
 
    BUT ONE MUST REALIZE THAT ON *** MOST *** BOARDS, THIS LEVEL IS RESERVED
    FOR THE SysOp and/or CoSysOp's PRIVATE USE such as possibly Beta-Testing
    a new software modification of some sort.
 
 
Ps#2; To those I may have offended with an earlier "NASTY-WORD(s)" post,
      I have CANCELled it as of 4 days ago.....I realized that losing my
      temper was NOT the most effective way to remedy the situation.
      So, to those whom I have offended--I apologize.
 
      To those I have ANGERED-- grow up.
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 02:46:23 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Backup-software (cheap = pirate copy?)
Message-ID: <1317@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <"90-02-14-21:51:56.83*UK14"@DKAUNI2.BITNET>, UK14@DKAUNI2.BITNET
 ("O. Steinmeier") writes:
>
> I'm a bit surprised about your reaction. A lot of people answered my
> request and recommended TURTLE, so I believe it might be really good.
>
> It's true: I want to use a *fast* backup-program, because I would
> not like to spend several hours on saving the information on my
> 80 MB-harddisk. I wrote a backup-program myself a few years ago and
 
Also available is a Meg a Minute backup by Dave Small and Dan Moore.
Two were printed in Start (or ST-log).  Thise sweapt a disk by sector range
to floppies. (This is why they pioneered the Twisted format for TOS disk).
 
80 MB in 80 minutes to 80-100 disks isn't all that bad (or good).
 
Cartridge Tape is the answer for 80 Meg and up.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
=====NEW address====
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 07:49:40 GMT
From: silver!cline@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (Nicholas Cline)
Subject: ibmpc-->st?
Message-ID: <36263@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
 
This is probably a novice question, but... Could anyone tell me how
I can transfer files from a PC to an ST? Are the disk formats
compatable? Is there a program for either that will allow it to
read the other's disks? Thanks,
 
Nick Cline
cline@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 03:17:10 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: MINIX and NETWORK connections
Message-ID: <1318@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <22274.25dc6917@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, whitten@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
 writes:
>
> After reading thru the MINIX newsgroup, my intrest about ST MINIX has
> really grown...  I would love to hear from anyone out there that has
> purchased the package, as well as anyone else who has two cents to
> put in.  Specifically, does it support multitasking, multiple users,
> that kind of thing?  Can you still run TOS programs from inside it?
> Would you consider it useful to people who aren't real unix gurus?
>
Re MINIX:
Multitasking: yes
Multiusers:yes, if you add the rs232 driver, PD, on network.
Run TOS form MINIX: no; but you can access TOS files read/write.
 
Useful:  YOu don't have to be a guru to use it.  It helps to know UNIX
to appreciate what you can do with it.
 
I find it most useful as a maintenance tool for TOS files systems.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
=====NEW address====
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 08:32:03 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Tomaszewski)
Subject: PC BOARD DESIGNING.
Message-ID: <1990Feb19.083203.5734@lth.se>
 
Hi,
 
I'm looking for a good pc board designing software. It should include:
 
- Auto routing.
- Gerber output.
- Library.
 
 
Any suggestions?
 
Email to:
 
-----------------------------d88pt@efd.lth.se---------------------------
 
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 90 00:08+0100
From: Ritzert%DMZRZU71.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: poolfix3
Message-ID: <900218230844.275515@DMZRZU71-UNI-MAINZ--GERMANY>
 
well, we have a program that triggers the tos1.4 pool bug. It is the
universal TeX screen/printer driver by tools GmbH, Bonn (version 1.1w).
The program probably does a lot of mallocs (or Mallocs?). The error
appears when You close the first dvi file and start printing a second
one without leaving dvi.prg. When I leave dvi.prg and start it anew, no
problems...
 
In order to cure this bug i put poolfix3 into the auto folder (as the
last program). Nothing changed. Then I reordered the auto folder and put
poolfix3 into the first place. Result: the performance of dvi.prg
slightly improved. Now we can look at 3-5 dvi files without system halt.
The program worked without any problems under tos1.2 and even with
tos1.2/turbodos1.05 for a long time. The fastload bit is not set.
 
So i conclude, that
   a) dvi.prg may contain a bug which triggers the problem.
   b) even poolfix3 does not completly cure the memory pool bug.
 
Question to Allan or Ken:
      Shall I install folder100 in addition? Before or after poolfix3?
      Or  shall I install ONLY folder100 to slove this problem?
 
BTW, i just ordered an update to the software. The people at tools were
not aware of this problem, so I think the present software will not
behave better.
 
regards,
 
Michael Ritzert
mjr@dmzrzu71.bitnet
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 08:57:58 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!klute%heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de@uunet.uu.net
 (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Shareware Policy.
Message-ID: <2008@laura.UUCP>
 
In article <1990Feb16.161133.16110@cs.dal.ca> bill@biomel.UUCP writes:
>I run into this problem frequently, since I go to a lot of foreign conferences
>and they often specify that the registration fees are to be transferred to a
>Postgiro account.  If you are transferring several thousand dollars this is
>great, but it is not the way N. Americans transfer funds, so if you go to any
>bank I have tried you will find that the handling fee is much larger than the
>usual shareware payment.
>
>Basically we use cheques and money orders, sent by mail.  This seems to be the
>cheapest method by far.  If anyone else has info on sending money to foreign
>countries (outside Canada and the US that is), please post it.
 
This raises the question how much fee I had to pay if I would
receive a cheque or money order from a foreign country (here:
anything outside Germany). Recently I got an Euro-Cheque from
Austria made out in DM (Deutsche Mark) and I had no additional
costs with it. Probably it is different with cheques from, say,
Canada or the United States. I shall try to find out and post
the results here.
 
Oh, and there is still the very cheap possibility to put some
banknotes into an envelope and hand it over to the snail mail
for delivery. Obviously this is not the most secure procedure
but for $15 (the Arcgsh Shareware fee I ask for) the risk may
be bearable.
 
 
  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      klute@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
  Univ. Dortmund, IRB             klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
  Postfach 500500         |)|/    ...uunet!mcvax!unido!klute
D-4600 Dortmund 50        |\|\    Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
 
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