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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri, 26 Jan 90       Volume 90 : Issue  105
 
Today's Topics:
         address for ST ZMagazine and ST Report subscribtion
                    appl_tplay() & appl_trecord()
                          GEM and IMG output
                              Getting C
                             GFA Basic ad
                            Hisoft's WERCS
                        Mega/Viking/UNIX.....
                         Megamax C questions
                           Minix questions
                            Monitor cable
                              Networking
                             silent SH205
                              STEVIE src
            ST Format, TOS 1.4 moans directed at Atari UK
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Date: 25 Jan 90 03:02:47 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!jarthur!uci-ics!gateway@tut.cis.oh
 io-state.edu  (Wayne Ngai)
Subject: address for ST ZMagazine and ST Report subscribtion
Message-ID: <25BE6C57.25081@paris.ics.uci.edu>
 
Can someone please tell me the address in which I can send a letter to
get my ST ZMagazine and or ST Report subscribtion started???  Thanks!!
 
 
Wayne.
 
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 90 18:57:37 GMT
From: Michael Mueller <K298027%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: appl_tplay() & appl_trecord()
 
I'd like to use the AES functions appl_tplay() and appl_trecord(). Unfortunatel
y, I still have old ROMs of 1985, and it seems that these functions do not work
 because of them. Does anybody know what are the bugs in the old ROMs ? Is it (
reasonably) possible to implement them by soft, where could I get the listings
(in C, or ev. Asm ) ?
 
Please send reply on EARN/BITNET: K298027@CZHRZU1A
 
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Michael Mueller, Brain Research Institute, Zuerich, Switzerland
 
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Date: 22 Jan 90 20:30:00 EST
From: "SWETT, MR CHARLES/7037560500" <swett@pentagon-opti.army.mil>
Subject: GEM and IMG output
 
I am looking for an object code probl     program for the ATARI 1040ST
that can UNZIP files created on an IBM PC type systeml;. does one
exist?
 
 
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 90 00:13 EST
From: STJLHI33%wooster.bitnet@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Getting C
 
The recent discussions on gcc, g++ and sozoban have been very interested.  I
have been wanting to learn C for the last year or so but didn't have the $$ for
Laser or MWC.  Of course none of the ST mags would mention the pd/sware
stuff...  Anyway, sozoban seems like something I could use.
 
Uh-oh, problem.  Panarthea seems busted from our site.  Short requests, index,
etc. are ok but not long ones, such as (wouldn't you know it) sozobon partxx.
 
Would some kind soul be willing to email me a copy?  See .sig for address.
Perhaps I'll finally be able to try my favorite crashing techniques in C!
 
Thanks*1.0E6
 
Jason Steiner STJLHI33@WOOSTER.BITNET
 
 Prediction:  Atari will release the ATW in the US no sooner than one month
   after Apple releases a RISC based multiprocessor box and lots of hype.
 
  *Guess which company has been buying huge lots of 88000s recently?*
                        8-) I'm probably right
                        8-( I'm probably right
                                <SIGH>
 
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 90 13:21:54 SET
From: UMA004%DDOHRZ11.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: GFA Basic ad
 
Date: 22 January 1990, 13:14:18 SET
From: UMA004   at DDOHRZ11
To:   info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
 
Recently I have seen some questions about GFA-Basic (interpreter,
compiler). In the January issue of the german ST-Magazin there was
an ad about it, maybe someone is interested in this offer :
  GFA Basic Development System Version 2.0
      (interpreter + compiler)                 DM  49.90
  same as above, version 3.0                   DM 198.00
 
(1 $ = 1.70 DM approx.)
 
GFA Systemtechnik GmbH      Tel. +49 211 55040
Heerdter Sandberg 30-32Fax  +49 211 550444
4000 Duesseldorf 11, West Germany
 
include disclaimer
R. Grobe    UMA004@DDOHRZ11.BITNET
 
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Date: 24 Jan 90 21:13:10 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Richard E. Covert)
Subject: Hisoft's WERCS
Message-ID: <483b9177.14a1f@force.UUCP>
 
I bought WERCS late in 1988 and haven't updated it since. Recently
I tried using it to create a resource file (.RSC) with about 10
different dialogue boxes with assorted text strings and buttons in them.
But, at random points in time, WERCS would corrupt the WERCS HRD file
containing the variable names given to each object. Thus, I have not been
able to finish my RSC file.
 
Could someone from Hisoft (who is I believe the original UK publisher
of WERCS) tell me what is the latest version number and release date
of WERCS? and tell me if Michtron, the USA distributor of WERCS, has
it?? If Michtron doesn't have the latest version of WERCS, could you tell
me how I, who lives in Arizona USA, can get the update. Heck, WERCS is
worth buying all over again if I could just get a working version!!
 
TIA
 
--
 Richard E. Covert, Lead Engineer of Software Tools Group
 AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ   (602) - 581-4652
 TCP/IP: covertr@gtephx
 UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 00:41:45 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!pi@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Peter J Ikusz)
Subject: Mega/Viking/UNIX.....
Message-ID: <2058@uwm.edu>
 
Last week people were talking about selling Megas to Universities as UNIX
workstations. Is there a version of UNIX for the ST that works with
X Windows? If so will it make use of the Viking 19" monitor?
 
I am interested in setting up a small X Windows system, and would like
to use my ST. All information on any version of UNIX for the ST will
be appreciated. (With/with out X Windows, if it even exists for the ST)
 
Thanks, pi.
pi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 90 19:57:46 CST
From: wright@asc.SINet.SLB.COM
Subject: Megamax C questions
Message-ID: <9001230157.AA05784@ascsu1.SLCS.SLB.COM>
 
Here's my first attempt at a posting....
 
For three years I've been using Megamax C and then Laser C.  I've
accumulated the bugs described below, several of which cost me many hours
to track down.  I sent a letter (U.S. Mail) last September 24 saying
what I've said here, but haven't heard anything back from Megamax.  My
questions are:
 
Does anyone know if or when Megamax intends to fix these or any other bugs?
 
If I switch to MWC (or some other C) can I expect similar headaches?
 
 
1.  Pointer arithmetic
 
This problem has been there since one of the old Megamax C releases.  It
prohibits pointer arithmetic on pointers to arrays longer than 32K bytes.
 
2.  Compiler crash on static initialization
In LaserC v1.0, the compiler didn't crash, but it allocated too few bytes
of storage (one).
 
3.  OR operation on register long
This one appeared on changing from v2.0 to v2.1.
 
main()
        ?
        register struct xyz
                ?
                int p1;
                int p2;
                ? *struct_ptr;
        register int i;
        register long j;
 
        /* uncomment the following line and compiler crashes*/
        /* static char compiler_crash[4] = ?1?; */
 
        /* following uses 16 bit addition when 32 is appropriate*/
        struct_ptr += i;
 
        /* following won't change j */
        j |= i + 1;
 
        ?
 
These are my opinions, not my employers'.
 
Wayne E. Wright, W5XD
Austin, Texas.
 
 
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 00:12+0100
From: Ritzert%DMZRZU71.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Minix questions
Message-ID: <900124231205.484243@DMZRZU71-UNI-MAINZ--GERMANY>
 
hi!
 
the minix newsgroup has split off from info-a16 quite a while ago with
the consequence that most of the st users on the net lack information on
the present state of that os. The nearly permanent discussion on
multitasking on the st shows that there is wide spread interest in a
cheap and working multitasking os (no replies like "why I don't need
multitasking", please! no one is forced to use something different from
tos).  From that background i would like to ask if some of the Minix
users might sum up their experience with the os...
 
a few additional questions:
 
- is virtual memory provided?
 
- how fast is the file system? Has anyone made comparisons with tos1.4?
  what time does, for example, gcc 1.34 need to compile and link a "
  hello world" program without optimisation? Under tos1.4 and a SH205
  this time is 9 s, mostly disk io. (Fastload flag set, cache111
  installed). Of course, the compilation must be the only user process
  in minix.
 
- how efficient is the task switching? (MX2/TOS1.2 needs
  5-10% of the cpu time).
 
- how does minix compare in this respect to cumana os/9, the mt-c-shell?
 
- how many user processes can be run efficiently?
 
- is it possible do do graphics?
 
- does minix run with the hyperscreen mod?
 
- has a window oriented user interface been implemented (e.g. the
  bellcore window manager)?
 
- what shells are available? BASH? What other GNU stuff?
 
- what about the problems with the supra host adaptor mentioned a while
  ago? Was this a problem of hardware or of software? Or simply a user
  error?
 
- is it possible to read and write 82t/10s tos disks?
 
Thanks
 
Michael
mjr@dmzrzu71.bitnet
 
p.s. please excuse the chaotic style of this posting. I'm quite tired...
 
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 90 23:44+0100
From: Ritzert%DMZRZU71.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Monitor cable
Message-ID: <900124224428.248715@DMZRZU71-UNI-MAINZ--GERMANY>
 
hi!
 
I am just putting two megas into a VAX/PDP11 tower. This frees the desk
of two boxes but the monitor cable (SM124) is too short. Any source or
suggestion for a replacement?
 
As far as I know, the original cable uses a 75 Ohm coaxial connection
for the video signal and 5 shielded leads for the rest. Is that true?
 
I think this topic may be of quite general interest . So I suggest a
discussion on the net.
 
Thanks!
 
Michael Ritzert
mjr@dmzrzu71.bitnet
 
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 90 08:25:49 SET
From: Gerfried Klein <K331672%AEARN.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Networking
 
     Hi all |
 
Please could somebody tell me how to reach the CI$ network from BITNET ?
Or is there a better way to contact ANTIC via e mail ?
 
Hey folks, it would be a wonderfull thing if someone could sommon the
networking information (which networks are reachable, archive-hosts, ..)
so that beginners in networking could fetch this info.
But maybe there is one out there, would be fine |
 
Thanks in advance
Gerfried
 
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 90 23:34+0100
From: Ritzert%DMZRZU71.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: silent SH205
Message-ID: <900124223408.813549@DMZRZU71-UNI-MAINZ--GERMANY>
 
Bob Pegram wrote:
 
<> - I replaced the fan by a silent one.
<>
<> mjr@dmzrzu71.bitnet
<
<Any advice on type of fan?  Size, AC or DC, Db rating, manufacturer
<and model?  I'd like to quiet my third party Hard drive box from it's
<current "loud PC AT" 8-) rating.
 
... tonight I had the time to open my drive again. I used a fan made by
MICRONEL AG, Tagelswangen/Z"urich, article no. F52AM Q12DN CK (12 V DC).
The fan is nearly compatible to the original fan. It is slightly larger
than that and thinner. But it still fits into the original box. I bought
it from a computer shop in Berlin (by mail order). The people have
advertised in the ST Magazin, I don't know how often since I read that
magazine only occasionally. The original fan has a stronger flow of air
but that proved not to be a problem over operation times of several
hours in a warm room.
 
Michael
mjr@dmzru71.bitnet
 
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Date: 24 Jan 90 13:20:42 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!masalla.fulcrum.bt.co.uk!sie@uunet.uu.net  (Simon
 Raybould)
Subject: STEVIE src
Message-ID: <_YWH`@masalla.fulcrum.bt.co.uk>
 
I have sent this request out before, but received NO REPLIES...
 
So I don't know if the message even got off the site. So I am sending
it again.
 
Does anyone have the source for STEVIE (vi like editor) if so, could
they please email it to me.
 
You can even reply to this just to let me know that it got off site
if you like.
 
Cheers,
 
 
S.J.R
 
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Date: 24 Jan 90 09:10:57 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net  (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: ST Format, TOS 1.4 moans directed at Atari UK
Message-ID: <4168@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk>
 
In article <6350@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> cs163wed@sdcc10.ucsd.edu ( ) writes:
>In article <1738@castle.ed.ac.uk> aimd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Davidson) writes:
>>In article <90011904271714@masnet.uucp> sylvia.jumaga@canremote.uucp
>>(SYLVIA JUMAGA) writes: (something that got lost)
>
>Looks like after Atari lose the US, Atari will lose the UK too!
 
Yup! It's beginning to look that way.
 
Some dealers are already dropping the ST.
 
Users are comparing the European ST shows with dire UK ones.
 
TOS 1.4 (well I needn't repeat myself :-)
 
Software houses are not bothering to bring out new versions of their ST
packages. (eg. Timeworks, Autoroute)
Their distributors don't tell anyone this. They get you to register your
product so that you will be informed of updates but there will never be any.
They just send you more flyers for new products.
 
Dave Small thinks Hi-Soft are a good company. We registered our Spectre 128 and
have yet to hear any word on software updates. It took two letters to get
information on upgrading to Spectre GCR and even then they had engineered
the cost to make it better to just buy the GCR. (The first letter yielded a
flyer!)
 
Those companies still producing ST software seem to be going off in the
wrong direction. (Calamus will NEVER have a Postscript driver I was told by a
Signa rep. Thus no-one here is remotely interested in it.)
 
Yup, these are sad times.
 
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