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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri,  9 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  180
 
Today's Topics:
                       PD cshell sources wanted
                         Piracy and Upgrades
                    Software Piracy In Atari Clubs
                           Sound Digitizers
                       ST piracy in users group
                TeX and DVISLM; PageStream 1.8; LHARC
           Using Atari mono-monitor as a composite monitor
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Date: 2 Feb 90 09:11:08 GMT
From:
 snorkelwacker!ira.uka.de!smurf!gopnbg!tmpmbx!boss!gtc!aragon!merkur!rodney@tut.
 cis.ohio-state.edu  (Rodney Volz)
Subject: PD cshell sources wanted
Message-ID: <2511331@merkur.sub.org>
 
Hi out there.
 
For I'm about to write a news- and UUCP-Package for the ST,
and I'm not willing to write a shell, too, I'd be very pleased
to get sources for a Unix-like Cshell anywhere.
 
ByTheWay, is there anyone out there on the net who already
wrote such stuff? Otherwise, what about porting **IX "rn"
to the ST?
 
Greetings,
            Rod
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Date: 9 Feb 90 11:54:38 GMT
From:
 swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!nic.MR.NET!thor.acc.s
 tolaf.edu!agnes.acc.stolaf.edu!pritchaj@ucsd.edu  (John Pritchard)
Subject: Piracy and Upgrades
Message-ID: <11222@thor.acc.stolaf.edu>
 
O.K. so I am whining....
 
I have had my 1040st system for a couple years now and still like it.  One
of the things that was attractive to me about the ST was the inexpensive
yet good quality software that was available.  But since I purchased my
software a year or two ago, upgrades have come out, and I would like to
follow-up on those upgrades.  I have had 4 experiences as of late with
upgrades:
                WordPerfect
                SuperBase Personal 2 --> Professional
                Publishing Partner --> PageStream
                UIS II --> UIS III
WordPerfect and UIS were fairly easy to upgrade, and fairly inexpensive.
The documentation addendum to WP was a little to be desired, but I can live
with that.  UIS sent a manual (UIS I and II only had a couple sheets of paper),
which was really nice to have.
 
I just orderred my PageStream upgrade, reluctantly.  I realize that they
made a major effort to rewrite the product, but what about loyalty to those
of us who buy and register?  I have not yet decided to go with the new
SuperBase.  From what I have heard (nothing official, yet), the upgrade is
$200.00.  Again, I realize this is a whole new package, but what about a
little loyalty?  Superbase even places a little propaganda in their packages
about the normal progression throught their packages, showing how you go
from one to the next.  Does this bother anyone else?  Any other experiences?
John Pritchard
Carleton College
Northfield, MN 55057
jpritcha@carleton.edU
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 15:52:32 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Richard E.
 Covert)
Subject: Software Piracy In Atari Clubs
Message-ID: <488aea26.14a1f@force.UUCP>
 
In article <9002071529.AA10375@SAIC.COM>, steveg@SAIC.COM (Stephen Harold
 Goldstein) writes:
>
> We're a user's group, not a pirate's club.  If you know of so called
> user's groups that are only fronts for pirates, I suggest you report
> them to Atari or any interested software houses and have them shut down.
> They give all user's groups a bad name.
>
> ---
> Stephen Goldstein     steveg@saic.com
 
The Phoenix Atari ST club is dedicated to helping our members use legitimately
purchased software. We, too, do not allow pirating of software. Our PHASST
 sponsored
bbs has a 40 meg drive with ONLY PD software. We do not allow piracy.
 
Our Agenda for Staurday's meeting includes:
 
15 minutes for PHAST Club business
Dave Thorenson gives a demo of a GEM Desktop replacement program
that he is writing. A first for the NAtion!! First time his program
has been demoed!!
Dave Thorenson gives a demo of his favorite game PowerDrome
15 minute break
15 minute Question & Answer period
Demo of Pratical Solution's Video Key for our 1040ST. Pratical Solutions
has an offer out where ST Clubs can get free Pratical Solutions products
if they are demoed for the club, and reviewed in the club newsletter.
Another demo, time allowing, of a game.
 
So, we don't have time for people to sit and pirate software.
All, in all, I think that it is a good agenda.
 
Rich Covert, President PHAST
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 Richard E. Covert, Lead Engineer of Software Tools Group
 AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ   (602) - 581-4652
 TCP/IP: covertr@gtephx
 UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 20:15:14 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!ubvms!v077l5lx@ucsd.edu
Subject: Sound Digitizers
Message-ID: <787.25d2de82@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
 
Hello,
 
        I am currently writing a game in assembly that I would like to add
some digitized sound to, but I have yet to purchase a sound digitizer.  I
have heard of digisound, digisound professional, replay4, and the ST sound
digitizer but I don't know which is better or worth the cost.  There may be
others that I left out.  I would appreciate it if anyone who knows which ST
sound digitizer is the best value for the dollar would send me the info.
 
                                                Thank you,
 
                                                Guy :-)
 
                                                V077L5LX@UBVMSD
                                                     or
                                                V077L5LX@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 21:17:31 GMT
From: brunix!iris.brown.edu!mjv@uunet.uu.net  (Marshall Vale)
Subject: ST piracy in users group
Message-ID: <28699@brunix.UUCP>
 
  Unfortunately, the user group here in Rhode Island is a front for
piracy (or it was less than a year ago, its probably still the same).
This is the experience that Rob is probably coming from since we are both
here in little RI.
  The user group slowly was turned into a piracy place by the president
who brought his friends in and in some weird way took it over. He was
never challenged basically because the decent people felt there was
no hope. These new people were very apathetic and trying to get them
to help organize things was useless.  I did give a couple of presentations
and tried to help out but the membership slowly died and everyone started
to care more about the latest cracked game from Europe shown by the
president than a nice discusion and demo on different forms of video
on the ST. Most of us gave up.
 No pirating was done at the meeting but it was all done after the meetings
at peoples houses and there was often a cover charge.
 
 I'm really, really glad that there are some good user groups out there
and I wish them the best of luck. The net is my only user group.
 
Disclamer: These are my opinions alone from experience seen and a few that
I have heard about.
 
-- mjv@iris.brown.edu
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 16:02:45 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Richard E.
 Covert)
Subject: TeX and DVISLM; PageStream 1.8; LHARC
Message-ID: <488af34b.14a1f@force.UUCP>
 
In article <9002071552.AA10408@SAIC.COM>, steveg@SAIC.COM (Stephen Harold
 Goldstein) writes:
> to R. Covert, re: PageStream 1.8:
>
> Kudos for PageStream from our resident critic? :-)
> I agree it's a powerful package, but it's still not bug free.  As I
> mentioned a while back, it does a pretty poor job of cleaning up after
> itself on the screen (even with an apparent 're-draw it all' attitude)
> - I'm constantly getting object 'handles' left all over the place.
> Also, UNDO does not work for all operations and you don't know what is
> not UNDOable till it's too late.  It's getting better though.
> ---
> Stephen Goldstein     steveg@saic.com
 
Stephen, while I have noticed the same problems in PgS 1.8,I am nonethelss
very pleased with PgS 1.8. For example, I have owned 2 laser printers in the
 last
2 years, the SLM804, and now the Panasonic KXP4450 Laser Partner. One thing that
I enjoyed doing with my old dot matrix printer was printing out labels for
floppies. I used an old program called "ACTION" (circa 1986!!) with my previous
dot matrix printer. But when I got my first laser printer I couldn't use it
it any longer. Finally, AVERY has come out with a aser printer label for 3.5"
floppies. There are 9 labels for 8.5"x11" page, each label being 2.75" square.
 
Well, I sat down with PgS 1.8, and in a couple of hours learning made some forms
for the AVERY labels. Andd they printed great!! I was even able to rotate the
 text 180
degrees to place on the spine and the back of the floppy. I made a bunch of
 labels
for some pd disks for the PHAST Club withg PgS 1.8.
 
so, while PgS 1.8 may still have some bugs, it works very well for me,
and I was able to learn to use some of its neat features very quickly.
 
Calamus, on the other hand, is still sitting on my shelf. I have yet to
understand how to use its text editor, and its icons are very confusing.
 
So, I like PgS 1.8, and I even wrote a letter to Softlogik congratulating them
on the 1.8 release.
 
 
 
--
 Richard E. Covert, Lead Engineer of Software Tools Group
 AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ   (602) - 581-4652
 TCP/IP: covertr@gtephx
 UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr
 
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Date: 9 Feb 90 21:39:57 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!carroll1!dnewton@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Dave Newton the Late)
Subject: Using Atari mono-monitor as a composite monitor
Message-ID: <1175@carroll1.cc.edu>
 
In article <1276@lzsc.ATT.COM> hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) writes:
>NO it cannot be used this way.  The screen runs at 70 frames/sec on an
>Atari Mono monitor.  Composite (TV Compatible) is 60 frames/sec.
 
   I thought it ran at 30Hz, but has interlacing...
 
>ATT Bell Labs
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Is this still a cool place to work?  I've heard bad things
lately.
 
--
David L. Newton                 |           uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton
(414) 524-7343 (work)           |              dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu
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