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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Tue,  8 May 90       Volume 90 : Issue  514
 
Today's Topics:
               ATARI 800 AND 1050 FLOPPY DRIVE FOR SALE
         DCDESKTOP AND ACCS (DC Accs ---Good, Strstrk ---Bad
          Educational discount.  (was AMIGA 3000 & ATARI TT)
                        Mixing C and Assembly
               poolfix3, poolfix4; naming conventions.
                        Programming self-help
                        Supercharger problems
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Date: 5 May 90 05:59:36 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!v157rsc7@tut.cis.ohio-st
 ate.edu  (Lawrence N Moskowitz)
Subject: ATARI 800 AND 1050 FLOPPY DRIVE FOR SALE
Message-ID: <24493@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>
 
I have an Atari 800 with 48K, a 1050 floppy drive, about 30 games, ALL cables
necessary to operate the system, and a couple of joysticks...  Everything is
in perfect working order.  Neither the computer nor the drive have ever been
tinkered with.  Best offer takes it!!!
 
-Larry
 
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Date: 4 May 90 06:21:43 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!uhnix2!uace0@tut.cis.ohio-state.
 edu  (USENET Administration)
Subject: DCDESKTOP AND ACCS (DC Accs ---Good, Strstrk ---Bad
Message-ID: <1070@uhnix2.uh.edu>
 
Gerry -
 
My favorite screen saver (which I used since day one) is IDLE 1.2 by Moshe
Braner (one of the best PD programmers alive for the ST!)
 
As far as I know, if it behaves well inside STuffer, then it runs the same as
if were running as a normal DA.
 
Looks like I'll need to setup STuffer again on my hard disk...  Ran out of
space for DAs on it...
 
- mike
 
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Date: 5 May 90 11:04:56 GMT
From: oahu.cs.ucla.edu!stephen@cs.ucla.edu  (Steve Whitney)
Subject: Educational discount.  (was AMIGA 3000 & ATARI TT)
Message-ID: <35003@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>
 
>Hello from Singapore,
>
>Below is on of the messages I receive from Info_amiga List.
>
>Should I wait for the Atari TT or should I dump my Mega 4 and get Amiga 3000?
>The 25Mhz version must be fantastic.
>
>Don't get me wrong. I like Atari and I have been using the Atari since 1985.
>I still have the first 520ST as well as Mega 4. However, the following new is
>so tempting. I prefer to use my Mega4 with Turbo16 chip and Spectre GCR than
>the Mac Plus which given to me by the University. I am now waiting for the TT.
>But with only 16MHz? I am not so sure now whether I should keep on waiting.
 
If you're worried about that, give Jim Allen(of Turbo 16 fame) a call.  Of
course he won't be able to commit to anyrthing until he actually _sees_ a
release version TT, but he has mentioned the ease with the TT can be accel-
erated on GEnie.
 
>
>I am not intend to start the flame war. My point is that
>
>Atari never bother to offer educational discount and now my students can buy
>a Mac SE with Hard disk for  lot less than getting Mega 2 + Monochrome Monitor
>and no hard disk. They also get free Hypercard with the Mac. Of course we all
>know that the Mega is far superior but I can no longer recommend them to by
>Atari with 10% discount when they can get 40% discount from Apple.
 
Yep... I believe that Atari would pick up _more_ than a few sales by
        1) Making ST, Mega, TT _available_ at university computer shops in the
                first place.
        2) Offering a student dicsount on said machines
        3) Placing ads in campus rags like Apple, Zenith, IBM, and NeXT do.
                (They sell a lot of Zeniths even though they're nothing _too_
                special).  I saw a young woman buying a NeXT because "daddy"
                was going to buy her a computer and the guy at the store was
                telling her what a great one the NeXT was.  I feel sorry for
                when she wants to do anything as simple as install a piece of
                new software not understanding Unix/Mach.)
 
It wouldn't be too tough to do, I imagine.  Even step 2 could be implemented
by itself just to nullify the competetion's power/price advantage.
 
>
>David Blezard             //
>d_blezard@unhh.bitnet   \X/
>z I-AMIGA RUTVM1  5/05/90
>' D_BLEZARD@UNHH      S. SUJARITTANONTA    5/04/90*A3000 Student Discount
 
 
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Steve Whitney   "It's never _really_ the last minute"       (())_-_(())
UCLA Comp. Sci. Grad. Student                                | (* *) |
Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu              UCLA Bruin-->    
GEnie:    S.WHITNEY                                           `-----'
 
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Date: 4 May 90 12:42:34 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!ttidca!woodside@uunet.uu.net  (George Woodside)
Subject: Mixing C and Assembly
Message-ID: <13001@ttidca.TTI.COM>
 
In article <1716@electro.UUCP> ignac@electro.UUCP (Ignac Kolenko) writes:
>from experience here at electrohome, i'd say that Mark Williams C
>has probably the most rediculous, non standard, brain dead, stupid assembler
>i've ever seen for the MC68000. nothing in it makes any sense, like how
>to make a register list, the naming conventions for labels, etc. also,
>why the hell are comments started with a bloody '/' character??? it makes
>porting of assembly files a REAL hassle. like Howard says, the object
>file format is completely proprietary, so you can't use a world class
>assembler such as MadMac (in the atari devkit) with the MWC environment.
 
I was a bit surprised to read this. While I haven't used it, I know that
MadMac has a switch for writing MWC compatible output. That should
eliminate most of the problems quite quickly.
 
I have to agree with the complaints about the MWC "as" syntax, but I
do understand the reasons. Their documentation states that the syntax
of their compilers and assemblers is common across all development
platforms. So, while it may be bizarre for any one specific machine, it
maintains the same standards for all. The '/' comment deliniator is an
obvious carryover from C syntax. Most of the assembler is designed
to be a compiler back end, not a general purpose assembler. I may find it
as clumsy as anyone else, but I do realize why it is that way.
 
--
* George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA *
* Path:       woodside@ttidca                          *
*   or:       ..!
 
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Date: 4 May 90 15:23:29 GMT
From: snorkelwacker!ira.uka.de!fauern!tumuc!guug!pcsbst!@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Roland Rambau)
Subject: poolfix3, poolfix4; naming conventions.
Message-ID: <1990May4.152329.24790@pcsbst.pcs.com>
 
hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) writes:
 
->I read with amazement the posting on poolfix4.
 
->1. First Humor:  The author of poolfix4 carries on long and hard about
->      how bad it is that poolfix3 must be installed first; when his
->      program must be installed first!
 
Please note that _his_ program is the HD interface program
( a AHDI replacement ), and its not the case that it _must_ be
installed first - its just handy to install the HD interface first
so you can load your auto folder programs from the hard disk ...
 
 
Roland Rambau
 
  rra@cochise.pcs.com,   
 
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Date: 4 May 90 16:37:35 GMT
From: chinet!saj@gargoyle.uchicago.edu  (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: Programming self-help
Message-ID: <1990May4.163735.9794@chinet.chi.il.us>
 
Right off the bat: I'm not volunteering to manage this, and it REQUIRES a
manager, so the idea may be doomed.
 
There are a lot of questions of the form "How do I get the ST to do job X
in language Y".  These are well answered with small example programs.  It
gets messy to try to save all of these examples in any kind of organized
manner, and there's a tendency to forget whether a particular question has
already been answered.  The answers are generally too small for reasonable
sources postings.  It would be useful if someone were to collect and index
these little sources, solicit new ones, link the originals to corrections
and updates, and generally keep them available.  Any offers?  Better ideas?
 
What I will offer to do is contribute a few goodies of this type myself.
 
                                  Steve J.
 
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Date: 5 May 90 00:55:25 GMT
From: hercules!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@apple.com  (Peter Ted
 Szymonik)
Subject: Supercharger problems
Message-ID: <29604@cup.portal.com>
 
I owned a SuperCharger for three months and it ran flawlessly.  The
Hercules "bug" is not a bug - its the way SuperCharger handles the emulation,
try the left and right cursor keys to move the screen.  The font is
marginal on m