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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Wed,  4 Apr 90       Volume 90 : Issue  405
 
Today's Topics:
                         1040ST Ram Expansion
                           Amiga/Atari help
                       Changing Gulam Keyboard
                  HD Backup (a summary of responses)
               Lets encourage shareware and crippleware
                             PC-Emulator
                       STOS Loses on TOS > 1.2
                          TOS 1.4 and the UK
                               TT rumor
                      Upgrading Mega 2 to Mega 4
                        Vcel reactions anyone?
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Date: 4 Apr 90 17:30:09 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan!rodan.acs.
 syr.edu!jfbruno@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (John F. Bruno)
Subject: 1040ST Ram Expansion
Message-ID: <2778@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
 
I know this has been asked and answered before.
I know this belongs in the "monthly posting"
 
What is the best way to get a 1040ST to 4meg? I know of the following:
Name               Mail order price I've seen (US $$)
=================  ====================================
Z-Ram 3-d          $149.95
NEW WORLD UPGRADE  $139.95
ARCO BOARD         $169.95
JRI SIMM Upgrade   $139.95
 
I believe these are all un-populated boards. I've seen 1Meg SIMMS 80ns for
$69.00, I don't know about regular DRAM prices, though.  If you have
experience with any of these, please tell about it.
 
What price for board?
What price to populate board?
Is buying an additional 3meg enough, or do I need to buy 4meg for some reason?
How much soldering?
Did it easily fit into your 1040ST?
 
Is it possible to go beyond 4MB??
 
Please email. I will of course summarize.
 
Thanks,
---jb (jfbruno@rodan.acs.syr.edu)
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 23:55:43 GMT
From:
 zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs325ec@tut.cis.o
 hio-state.edu  (Gregory Lemperle-Kerr)
Subject: Amiga/Atari help
Message-ID: <1990Apr4.235543.24355@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 
        Just wondering why all these lame Amiga users are posting and not
        many Atari users...
 
        The Amax from what I have heard (that is the Amiga's mac emulator)
        is like a tadpole in the pond of mac emulators whereas Spectre on
        the Atari approaches the bullfrog.
 
        Atari has the added bonus that many of its users are hacks (like
        me) who know much about computers in general.  I don't know of
        many other computers with as many cheap ways to enhance it.  e.g.
        The mod to expand the screen to 832x512(about), memory upgrade
        without cards... etc.
 
        Dave Small apparently has a 68030 card working for an ST that he
        will market...?
 
        The Amiga is also in another price range.  (higher)
 
        4096 colours are real pretty, if that's what makes your motor run.
 
        512 are good enough for me.
 
        There is another hardware mod from Germany for the atari that allows
        the monochrome monitor to work in the colour resolutions using
        grey scales.
 
        Insight:  You had a Mac...  you'll probably get an Amiga except...
                You ditched a Mac... you should get an Atari ST.
 
        -- Greg
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 90 21:12:31 EDT
From: "Hiscocks, Peter" <FCTY7284%RYERSON.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Changing Gulam Keyboard
Message-ID: <90Apr4.201555edt.57940@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
         Since there have been several inquiries lately on changing
         the keyboard table in Gulam....
 
         To modify Gulam to suit a particular national keyboard, you
         could first use a monitor/hex editor program such as ABZMON
         to search the TOS rom for the keyboard lookup tables, which
         presumably are correct for that country.
 
         There are three keyboard tables, each 128 bytes long. The
         first one is for lower case, the second for characters
         obtained by pressing the SHIFT key, and the third one by
         actuating CAPS LOCK. In all three cases, the last 13 bytes
         are zeros. A suitable ASCII search string is '123456789',
         which occurs in the first and last tables.
 
         Dump the TOS keyboard lookup tables to the printer to have a
         printed reference, load Gulam as a data file, and search it
         for its keyboard tables. When you find them, modify them to
         match the TOS rom tables, and then store the modified Gulam
         back to disc. The author of Gulam installed his own look up
         tables for the keypad (so that he could rebind the keypad to
         other commands) so you shouldn't modify the keypad codes.
 
         I used this method to modify Gulam for the Dvorak keyboard
         layout. Because the Dvorak layout has the commonly used keys
         are in the home row, it can be learned in about 3 hours, and
         it is faster and less fatiguing than the Qwerty keyboard
         layout. But you do have these layout glitches to solve....
         I used the method described above, but with a Dvorak
         installer program as the reference instead of the TOS ROMs.
 
         Hope this helps:
 
                                        Peter Hiscocks
                                        Ryerson Polytech
                                        Toronto
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 17:32:46 GMT
From:
 sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!ti
 ger!swklassen@decwrl.dec.com  (Steven W. Klassen)
Subject: HD Backup (a summary of responses)
Message-ID: <22879@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
 
In article <5440111@hplsla.HP.COM> andyc@hplsla.HP.COM (Andy Cassino) writes:
>I've had Diamond Back for a while now. I think it might be what you are
>looking for. It uses the archive bit correctly, you can set it to compress
>files, and it seems faster than Turtle, though I haven't sat down and made
 
Where can one find this program?
 
Steven W. Klassen                       +-----------------------------+
Computer Science Major                  | Support the poor...buy fur! |
University of Waterloo                  +-----------------------------+
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 14:28:36 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Lets encourage shareware and crippleware
Message-ID: <1528@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
Here are some additional thoughts on the posting to .binaries. of non-free
software.
 
What seems to have set Steven Grimm off was a submission that stated on the
outside that it was being distributed with the purpose of enticing one
to buy the product.  This he felt was 'bad', 'illegal', 'immoral' or something.
This type of product I will call crippleware.  Some of it works, some parts
are left out.
 
Yet there abounds Shareware that is identical except for outside statements.
Consider Transverter, which, before being included on Spectre Disks was
Shareware.  Only half of it worked; you get the rest when you pay!
Consider SAMBIN.LZH, just found in the binaries.  It runs, after blasting
you with a screen to pay up, and where to send the money!.
 
Really, the only difference between a crippleware and shareware submission
is a question of how functional the submitted product is.  If all it did
was put up a glitzy screen, tell you how great it was going to be, and
asked for your money, it has little use; and would probably be a waste of
bandwidth to transmit.  In reality, all these products are much better
than this.
 
Usenet exists as a service to the community. (I hope this isn't also debatable).
The better shareware and crippleware will surely end up on GENIE and Compuserve.
I am not injured by Steven's stand because I can call these.
 
However, there seems to be a larger audience, many who are students, that do
not or can not afford working accounts on these services.  To them, whats in
 .binaries. is what they get to see, feel, and try.  If something good comes
along that they can try (for free) and then decide to buy its great.
 
I hope Steven will reconsider his stand and take a broader view.
The Net isn't being used commercially to pass programs which are usable
as is, and thus free.  The fact that the Author would like to be paid
for writing the program should not be a consideration as to whether the
program submitted is disseminated.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 90/04/02 18:50 MESZ
From: Thomas Neser <So01%Dmarum8.Bitnet@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: PC-Emulator
 
Dear netters,
today i received some information about the PC-emulator of
Vortex. Seems that is it like PC-Speed but only CGA and Hercules
is possible. In the newest version of PC-speed you can programm the
68000er and a coprocessor will be accepted. The Vortex-emulator has
none of this features. When i have the emulator of omega-systems in
mind i see that there are 16 MHZ possible and i don't know if the
Ram of the Atari is used over 704 KB. Think we have to wait a while
for a emulator with 80286 and 80287 or 80386SX and 80387Sx which
uses full ram, allows to run dos and tos without booting and has full
16 MHZ for all the tuned boards and accepts the 68881. A free card-
slot would be fine two.
Thomas Neser <So01@Dmarum8.Bitnet>
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 20:11:12 GMT
From: haven!wam!dmb@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (David M. Baggett)
Subject: STOS Loses on TOS > 1.2
Message-ID: <1990Apr4.201112.20863@wam.umd.edu>
 
In article <4Apr1990165702135@BLEKUL11.BITNET> GHGADMO@BLEKUL11.BITNET writes:
>I have a problem concerning the compatibility of the 1040 STe.  I tried
>to run STOS on it, and it results in about (no sure) 4 2 bombs.  Any
>idea why?
 
If I'm not mistaken, STOS fails to run on both TOS 1.4 and 1.6 because
it uses UNDOCUMENTED LOCATIONS in TOS.
 
<oooh> <aaah> <gasp>
 
Tsk-tsk.  Perhaps a STOS user can confirm or deny.
 
Dave Baggett
dmb@cscwam.umd.edu
 
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 90 10:12:52 BST
From: Mr. Stephen Culshaw
 <XUUM24%PRIME-A.CENTRAL-SERVICES.UMIST.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: TOS 1.4 and the UK
Message-ID: <$TGNFDDNRBCDZ at UMPA>
 
To everyone in the UK - has anyone managed to get hold of TOS 1.4 yet ?
I've been trying to run this new desktop GEMINI - which looks pretty
good, but it crashes. I vaguely remember something about it being for
TOS 1.4 so my old mega4 with TOS 1.09 doesn't seem to be able to cope.
Also has anyone got the blitter - does it really so an improvement and
is it worth the cost - what ever that might be?
What about the HYPERCACHE by Third Coast Tech - any pros and cons - anyone
used it with OPUS, UNITERM, TeX/Latex, SHOWDVI, DVI2SLM, TOUCHUP - being
the programs I mainly use - what about with games software - hope you
can turn it off - I have enough problems without them running even faster!
 
Thanks for any info
Steve C.
 
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 03:10:43 GMT
From: amdahl!pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Mark F. Newton)
Subject: TT rumor
Message-ID: <2816@sactoh0.UUCP>
 
Keywords: Not to have Atari name?
 
What's this I have heard about the TT possibly not having the Atari
name?
 
I heard this "rumor" and the person has not given any kind of
source. I do not believe it, unless someone out there has heard the
same thing.
 
Another is that the TT case is to be redone- and after all that
Atari did to get that thing at least a Class A certification?
Perhaps so to get a Class B, but the rumormonger gave no
information.
 
I should clarify- I will not believe that the TT will be marketed
under another manufacturert unless I hear it from Atari themselves.
 
(Sounds like someone is more than a bit gullible to pass on
everything that they heard)
 
 
--
                             Mark Newton-John
   (ames att sun)!pacbell! \      Sakura-mendo, CA
           ucdavis!csusac! - sactoh0!mfolivo
              uunet!mmsac! /      the good guys!
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 21:21:47 GMT
From: jdroh@athena.mit.edu  (Jae D. Roh)
Subject: Upgrading Mega 2 to Mega 4
Message-ID: <1990Apr4.212147.3676@athena.mit.edu>
 
In article <1090@olnl1.UUCP>, paulz@olnl1.UUCP (Paul v.d. Zwan) writes:
> Has anyone ever tried upgrading a Mega 2 ( late 1987) to 4 MB. ?
> It has room for 10 more RAM chips on the motherboard. Is an upgrade
> as easy as I hope it is or is there catch to it. ??
>
>
>
> --
> #  Paul van der Zwan                  # ?mcvax,uunet,hp4nl?!olnl1!paulz
> #  Olivetti Nederland B.V.            #
> #  Marketing Support (Xenix,Unix,X/OS)  #
 
Hopefully, you mean 16 more RAM chips, right?  Supposedly one can just solder
16 dip sockets onto the motherboard then fill them up with 1mbit rams, and
the ST will automatically recognize the additional memory.  I have been
meaning to try this for a while, but haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
It should work, since the motherboards for the Mega2 and Mega4 are the same.
If someone who knows more about this sees that I am mistaken in some of the
above, feel free to correct anything.
Jae D. Roh
MIT, Cambridge MA.
CS.
jdroh@athena.mit.edu
 
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Date: 4 Apr 90 22:13:17 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!nic.MR.NET!thor.acc.stolaf.edu!jo
 hnsoer@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Erik R. Johnson)
Subject: Vcel reactions anyone?
Message-ID: <11886@thor.acc.stolaf.edu>
 
So, does anyone have any reactions to the Vcel Demo?
If so, you may contact me at->  johnsoer@thor.acc.stolaf.edu
 
Also, since I will be graduating this Spring I will be in search of a job.
If you are involved in a company that deals with computer graphics, please
tell me about it.
 
Thanks for you time,
 
      Erik
 
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