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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Fri,  2 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  144
 
Today's Topics:
             (repost) POOLFIX3.ARC (really fast-load bit)
                             C++ (2 msgs)
                            C-lab notator
                    FTP to the States from the UK?
                     Hebrew in the character set
                   In DEFENSE of MAGNAVOX...Where'
                    Repost of emacslsp.uaf please.
                        STe, I really want one
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Date: 1 Feb 90 22:16:24 GMT
From: imagen!atari!apratt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Allan Pratt)
Subject: (repost) POOLFIX3.ARC (really fast-load bit)
Message-ID: <2017@atari.UUCP>
 
bammi@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.Edu (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes:
>in the recently posted poolfix3.prg and the older rainbow patch, i
>noticed that the 'dont clear bss' bit is not set in the header. is
>there a reason for this?? any consequences if we set this ourselves.
 
It's not a "don't clear BSS" bit -- it's a "don't clear HEAP" bit! The
BSS is the uninitialized storage your program declares that it will
need: the C language guarantees that this will be zero, and the ST
compiles by zeroing it when you're loaded.  The REST of the memory you
get allocated, above and beyond your declared BSS, is the heap. For
reasons I do not know, GEMDOS originally cleared all of that, too.
That's real slow on a 68000 with 4MB of memory, so I added that bit to
tell Pexec "You don't have to clear my heap."  Programs with that bit
set load faster.  Not all programs can stand it: MS Write, for one,
expects all that space to be clear.
 
>apratt: how about sending out a binary diffs (a convenient way is to
>hexdump, and send out context diffs of the hexdumps) from the t1.4
>image, that fixes these problem, so that those of us with eproms can
>fix them. (i really hate auto\patches).
 
There is zero chance of this.  Atari's policy is, "The only TOS we have
to support is the one in Atari masked ROMs."  If you have EPROMS, you
don't have an Atari-supported OS.  This way Atari gets out from under
the burden of supporting whatever code happens to be in your EPROMs,
with whatever "patches" and "fixes" and "improvements" you or somebody
else put there.
 
Before you jump all over me, of course, I'm being pedantic.  I know
that real TOSes can be in EPROMs.
 
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Opinions expressed above do not necessarily     -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else.      ...ames!atari!apratt
 
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Date: 1 Feb 90 19:56:01 GMT
From:
 mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.fsu.edu!fsucs.cs
 .fsu.edu!boyd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: C++
Message-ID: <9002011956.AA16674@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu>
 
In article <451@pico.oz>, akenning@pico.qpsx.oz (Alan Kennington) writes:
>
>I'm amazed that I haven't seen any mention of C++ for the Atari ST.
>Does anyone if there is such a thing? After all, the IBM PC has had it for
>years now.
>
>ak.
 
I believe the GNU C++ compiler has been successfully ported over to the
ST domain, and I also understand that the FSF is developing interest in
ST's (net rumor).  Another nifty story is their response to Apple legal
silliness.
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Date: 2 Feb 90 07:16:59 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!unido!zgdvda!pfuetz@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Matthias
 Pfuetzner)
Subject: C++
Message-ID: <1267@zgdvda.UUCP>
 
Hallo!
 
Sure there is one of the best C and C++ compilers available for ATARI
ST.
GNU-C, GNU-C++, and all other GNU-Software are available for TOS and
minix from terminator.cc.umich.edu via anonymous ftp.
Hope this helps.
 
        Matthias
 
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 90 09:08:00 EST
From: Greg Csullog <01659%AECLCR.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Subject: C-lab notator
Message-ID: <90Feb2.091202est.58653@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 
Thanks to all the great netters who replied to my request for info!
 
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 90 17:13:39 GMT
From: n-waters%NIMR.MRC.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU (Nick Waterson)
Subject: FTP to the States from the UK?
Message-ID: <9001291713.AA04944@nimsn41.>
 
        Has anyone from the UK (or the rest of Europe), FTP'd PROG_A16 if so
how do you accomplish this? I appear to be able to get to earn-relay (UK),
although not the request for a password. I can also successfully ftp via
JANET using hhcp, although I am not sure this is true ftp.
 
                                Any help gratefully recieved,
 
                                                Nick.
 
 
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Date: 2 Feb 90 08:28:14 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@uunet.uu.net  (Ralph Haglund)
Subject: Hebrew in the character set
Message-ID: <1990Feb2.082814.4988@lth.se>
 
Hi,
Someone wondered about the "useless" Hebrew characters in the character
set. Why, it is part of an ongoing education process. For us Atarians it
is necessary to know
1) German
2) Hebrew
3) a smattering of English to read Usenet News.
What's wrong?
(Well, learn Swedish, then you can read my booklet about TurboC for Atari
too ;-)   )
 
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Date: 2 Feb 90 10:39:51 GMT
From:
 wuarchive!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs325ec@decwrl.d
 ec.com
Subject: In DEFENSE of MAGNAVOX...Where'
Message-ID: <16000007@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 
        Why didn't you just let it go, you ass.  Now you've
created a forum for Elite etc. bashing rehashing.
 
        -Greg
 
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Date: 2 Feb 90 10:52:48 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!sys.uea!cmp7131@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (M.
 Plumtree)
Subject: Repost of emacslsp.uaf please.
Message-ID: <1281@sys.uea.ac.uk>
 
Please could some kind soul either mail me direct, or repost, the emacslsp.uaf
file which was in comp.binaries.atari.st recently. The file was violently
chewed in transit. TIA
 
2E
 
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Date: 2 Feb 90 13:33:00 GMT
From: crdgw1!jupiter!oplinger@uunet.uu.net  (B. S. Oplinger)
Subject: STe, I really want one
Message-ID: <5076@crdgw1.crd.ge.com>
 
I just sold my 1Meg ST. I wanted to upgrade to a mega2. So I called my
local dealer. No such thing in stock. So I called a dealer from where
I used to live. No such thing in stock. I called 2 dealers a friend
recommended, ready, no such thing in stock. I got out the latest
issues of STExpress, Start, Atari Explorer, and Current Notes. I
called every firm that looked like it sold computers (about 10 stores
total). NO SUCH THING IN STOCK.
 
This is crazy. Here I am, a person wanting to buy a mega and nobody
(well at least that I can find) stocks one.
 
Fine, be that way. I 'll just buy a STe. Now here is where I need some
help. Can some of the people in Canada who are reading this please
either post or e-mail me the phone number/address of your favorite
Canadian Atari store. Preferable one who would sell a STe to a
foreigner like me. If they are near Montreal, I can just drive up
there (about a 5 hr drive). Otherwise, it must be shipped.
 
Help me, Make my day. Enable me to get a computer once again.
 
thanks all
 
brian
oplinger@crd.ge.com
 
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