INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Tue, 30 Jan 90       Volume 90 : Issue  123
 
Today's Topics:
           Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
           Chaos Strikes Back - Call for experienced people
                       Does anybody run ICONE2?
                     GDOS, Write, 24 pin printers
                            MAC SHAREWARE
              Meanings of Desktop Bombs needed please..
                    SCREENSAVER LIKE STARS FOR MAC
                            Sozobon C Help
                   ST S/ware Rental Places (3 msgs)
                    WANTED: LONG. & LATITUDE DATA
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Date: 30 Jan 90 10:45:40 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!hh%trillian@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Atari's Quarterly Results ($5.4 Million Lost) :)
Message-ID: <1929@laura.UUCP>
 
Path: trillian
!hh
 
In article <1098@dutrun.UUCP> etelree@dutrun.UUCP (C.van Reeuwijk) writes:
>In article <483f7298.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>>What new systems?? The Mythical 1040STe?
>Believe it or not, but this message was typed using a 1040STe!! At least
>in Holland, they are not at all mythical, but widely available for
>a price only f 300.= (about $150.=) above the normal 1040STf price.
 
What's mythical about an STe? I bought one last week for 1500 DM. Although
it (not me!) killed its monitor instantly everything's fine... In fact, I
couldn't get a STFM! Now all I need are infos about the new features of the
STe, including larger memory, 68020/30 support, colors, sound etc.
 
Ciao, Hasko
 
 
Snail mail:        | E mail: hh@trillian.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Hasko Heinecke     +-------------------------------------------------
Ostenbergstr. 97   | Computers are different from telephones!
D-4600 Dortmund 50 | Computers do not ring!        -Tanenbaum
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 15:37:10 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!tmwhitehead@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Chaos Strikes Back - Call for experienced people
Message-ID: <733.25c41cd6@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
 
In article <CWILLIAM.90Jan26104525@brillig.umd.edu>, cwilliam@brillig.umd.edu
 (Christopher 'Merlin' Williamson) writes:
> Anyone out there played Chaos Strikes Back a lot?  I have explored all
> four branches but am trying to tie everything together.
>
> Also has anyone out there tried to make a map of CSB?  (god, it would
> be a nightmare but Im curious what it would look like)
>
 
I got the maps from a local BBS about a week ago.  They are in Degas format.
If you are interested and can;t find them locally, send me mail, and I will
send them to you direct.
 
TMWHITEHEAD@MIAVX1
 
>
> Blitzkreig ('tanks in advance),
>
> Chris
>
>
 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>      What I have said above may or may not be fact, you be the judge...
>
>   Christopher Williamson | cwilliam@brillig.umd.edu | Arpa/InterNet
>   Human-Computer Int Lab | cwilliam@UMDD            | BitNet
>   Univ. of Maryland      |...!uunet!brillig!cwilliam| UUCP
>   College Pk, MD 20740   | (301) 454 - 1517         | If all else fails
>
>     " Horses are born trying to kill themselves.
>         The best we can do is make it difficult for them... "
 
Todd Whitehead
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
 
If it looks like I said it, I probably did...
 
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Date: 30 Jan 90 15:14:02 GMT
From: maytag!water!ljdickey@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: Does anybody run ICONE2?
Message-ID: <2941@water.waterloo.edu>
 
Several articles lately have said things like
        "I was unable to get ICONE2 to work."
 
Have you?  Has anybody?  What sort of setup were you running on?
Is your ICONE software the same as what has been posted?
 
--
    L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
        ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca     ljdickey@water.BITNET
        ljdickey@water.UUCP             ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey
        ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
 
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Date: 30 Jan 90 09:13:55 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Mark F. Newton)
Subject: GDOS, Write, 24 pin printers
Message-ID: <2494@sactoh0.UUCP>
 
Without dragging my system to a computer store, I have pretty much
decided on either an Epson LQ-510 or a Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin
printer.
 
My question is if the LQ-800 printer driver that is included with
Microsoft Write works with either of the two machines. I use GDOS,
and would like to use the fonts that are used in Write.
 
Are there specific drivers for either LQ-510 or 1124 out there,
that are compatible with GDOS?
 
The Epson, of course, uses Epson codes, but is the LQ-800 driver
compatible? The Panasonic has LQ-2500 emulation, is it compatible?
 
I prefer the features of the Panasonic, but if the Epson works
better with the WP and system I have, then Epson it is.
 
Or can someone recommend a low-cost 24 pin with similar
capabilities?
 
By the way, I primarily use the Dutch font.
 
"If our days are numbered, why aren't they, say, lettered?"
  -W.A.
 
--
--
   (ames att sun)!pacbell! \      Sakura-mendo, CA
           ucdavis!csusac! - sactoh0!mfolivo
              uunet!mmsac! /      the good guys!
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 14:51:31 GMT
From: rochester!rit!cci632!ccicpg!paulm@rutgers.edu  (tmp Paul Moreau usenet
 acct)
Subject: MAC SHAREWARE
Message-ID: <55850@ccicpg.UUCP>
 
In article <9001260809.AA27905@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, CS31217@UTCVM.BITNET
 (Robert McCoy) writes:
>
> I've got the 512K blues.  I'm using a 520STfm with a double-sided drive
> and the RAM mounted under the power supply.  A friend and I installed
> sixteen 256K chips in the second bank.  At first, the ST wouldn't even
> boot with the chips installed, but after looking at a similar 1040ST,
> we put in a few resistors and that problem was stopped.  To the best
> of our testing ability, all the chips work, but the MMU ignores the
> second bank by sending the CAS line to HIGH.  Does anyone have any
> suggestions?
>                        Thanks in advance,
>                        Robert McCoy (Chattanooga Atari Owners Symposium)
>                        CS31217@UTCVM.bitnet
 
 
   During a cold boot the ST will try to configure the MMU for the
   type and size of memory installed.   If it detects an error in the
   second bank of ram it just assumes that there is no memory there
   and configures the MMU/GLUE? to not send the CAS to the second bank
   and uses only the first.   Even if you try to access the second
   bank by generating the addess in a program such as a ram test no
   CAS will be issued.
   About two years ago I did a home brew 1 meg upgrade to my ST and
   had the same problem.  In going over the BIOS code I figured out
   how to configure the MMU by writing a value to it to force the
   recocnition of the 2nd 512 kbytes while still having the machine
   think it has only 512 kbytes of RAM.  I then wrote a memory test
   program to write this (or any user input value) to the MMU and then
   test the RAM.  I wrote several tests, the usual battery of memory
   tests, incluing 1's 0's, AA'a 55's, and walking 1 and 0 bits but
   it didn't find any errors!  I then studied the method the BIOS used
   and wrote a simular test.   Guess what, it found a bit error in
   one of the 256K chips.  I replaced the chip and I had 1 meg!
 
   If you're interrested, I can send you the code.  I'll give you the
   binary and source if you'ld like.  The source is written in Alcyon
   assembly (standard motorola style).  Let me know and I'll send it
   to ya.
---
  .==========================================================.
  | ### ####### ###     |    N O R T H    | /==============\ |
  | ### ###     ###     |  A M E R I C A  |< An STC Company >|
  | ### ####### ####### |    (was CCI)    | \==============/ |
  |----------------------------------------------------------|
  | UUCP:  ...ccicpg!dl2!paulm   |      Paul L. Moreau       |
  |   or   ...ccicpg!dl1!paulm   | Diagnostics Software Eng. |
  |   or   ...ccicpg!paulm       |    Irvine, California     |
  `=========================================================='
Albert Einstein, when asked to describe radio, replied:  "You see, wire
telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat.  You pull his tail in New
York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles.  Do you understand this?
And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they
receive them there.  The only difference is that there is no cat."
 
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Date: 30 Jan 90 09:22:35 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1ygq@uunet.uu.net  (J.M. Spencer)
Subject: Meanings of Desktop Bombs needed please..
Message-ID: <1990Jan30.092235.29534@newcastle.ac.uk>
 
In article <90027.190559O12@PSUVM.BITNET> O12@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Hello,
>
>Could someone out there please send me a list of the different
>meanings of the various numbers of bombs displayed by the desktop due
>to a processor exception occuring ? Thanks..
>
>                                     -JtK
 
The number of bombs represents the number of the exception that occurred.
See the Motorola manual for full details, but for example, 2 bombs shows
a bus error (if memory serves me correctly) because that is exception 2.
 
Jonathan M Spencer      q1ygq@peel.newcastle.ac.uk
 
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Date: 30 Jan 90 04:50:46 GMT
From:
 ogicse!caesar.cs.montana.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!
 sunybcs!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!rochester!rit!ultb!drp9500@decwrl.dec.com  (D.R.
 Paradis)
Subject: SCREENSAVER LIKE STARS FOR MAC
Message-ID: <2046@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
 
Yes, it's called "Pyro"
 
     It creates a firework display on the screen which is better than
the just plain 'black' screen savers which I have been told could damage
analog RGB monitors because of the sudden loss of signal.  The analog
monitors thinks that it has lost the signal from the computer, the
'pyro' display turns the screen to black and sends fireworks out to give
the screen something to do so it protects the screen both ways.
 
                  Bob
 
  P.S.
    The damage is caused over an extended period of time.
 
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 90 09:58 EST
From: "Scott P Leslie"
 <UNCSPL%UNC.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Sozobon C Help
 
Hello:
   I'm trying to get the Sozobon C Compiler to work and I'm having
a bit of trouble?  First, can you use the compiler from the TTP windows
that the desktop puts up?  I know this is sub-optimal (to say the least)
but I just want to see if I can compile things before I go setting
up a CLI and such?
   If the programs can be run from .TTP windows, what do I run first?
I tried running cc (as under UNIX), but I got an "extension unknown"
error (or something like that).  I tried both test.c and test in the
.TTP window.
   I did get hcc to compile the program into assembly, but I can't
get jas to work on the file.  Is jas the next step in the sequence?
   Once I get jas to assemble the file, ld is the next step, right?
Actually, I got top to optimize the file, but I still can't assemble
it and link it...
   Oh well, this rambles, but any help would be most useful!!
   BTW:  Where are the header files located in the distribution?
         I have all seven parts of sc_bin12 and all the parts of
         dlibs12.
Thanks,
Scott P. Leslie (UNCSPL@UNC)    Jax
 
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Date: 29 Jan 90 15:09:31 GMT
From:
 pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!tmwhitehead@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <732.25c4165b@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
 
In article <26747@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
> In article <2713@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Imran
 Anwar) writes:
>>In article <26640@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
>>>I *can't* think of an analogous example because there *isn't* one.
>>>The only one that comes close is in the record industry. When I was
>>
>>I think piracy is an issue that threatens the movie/video industry also. Yet
>>there are video rental places all over the place.
>>
>>>My point is that piracy continues. Software rental places would
>>>"legitimize" piracy in the minds of people who already think its
>>>ok.
>>
>>Same logic applies to video rentals I think.
>>
>
> I still maintain that it does not. It takes time (2-3 hours) and great
> expense (a second VCR) to record movies. Most movies also have copy
> protection schemes that do not interfer with the viewing, but produce
> non-perfect copies contain image wavering and sound dropout.
> (As opposed to software copy protection, which
> is a hassle for computer users to deal with.)
>
> Movie theft continues, but not to the same degree. A video pirate cannot
> easily mass produce or copy films without a great deal of equipment or
> time. A software pirate can literally mass produce 100's of copies
> of software an hour.
>
> Furthermore, legislation in the video industry is *also* taking place.
> Two years ago, JVC tried marketing a two cassette (one play one play and
> record) VCR...they were "asked" to remove the model from their VCR
> line.
 
Uh, I hate to break this to you, but SOMEbody just realeased a two-deck model.
I can't remember the brand name, but I remember reading a small article about
it just last week...It's out there and available.
 
As for the copy protection of video cassettes, I had trouble viewing a couple
of movies that I bought, because of the copy protection.  I took them back and
they worked fine in the store.  They say I need to have my machine serviced to
get the tapes that are copy-protected to work in my machine.  This means that
copy protection of video cassettes WILL cost some people money.  I can watch
ANY non-copy-protected tape I want...
 
 
>
>
>  - Rob DeMillo                        | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
>    Brown University           | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
>    Planetary Science Group    | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
> "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
 
Todd Whitehead
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
 
If it looks like I said it, I probably did..
 
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Date: 30 Jan 90 15:55:58 GMT
From: silver!stowe@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (stowe)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <34325@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
 
In article <JVX+Z~@rpi.edu> kudla@pawl.rpi.edu (Robert J. Kudla) writes:
 
>I'm only going to dispute this one point, as you have consistently
>glossed it over every single time you've rebutted other peoples'
>arguments.
>
>What you refuse to concede is that *most dealers and publishers do not
>demo software*.
>... and maybe 2-5% of dealers (and then only the
>ones who sell hardware to begin with) will do an in-store demo.
>
>Further, most dealers have no-return policies because they think too
>much like you- that nearly everyone who returns a product that sucks
>has in fact copied it and will distribute it.
 
I will dispute you on these points.  A friend of mine and I own an
ST-only store.  I have many contacts with other dealers both in this
area and across the nation.  (Yes, Virginia, there are still a few
dealers out there.  :-)  Every dealer with whom I have ever worked
does demos in the store.  Perhaps you are just in a "bad" area, but
I think I probably have far more contact with other dealers than you
have, and I would say that at most 10% of the dealers do *not* do
software demos.  However, I will say that I am not counting mail
order places, because in that respect, you get what you pay for.
One of the reasons dealers generally charge more is the time and
product overhead of doing demos.  I know we've had folks come in
and try out various products for a couple hours before they decide
whether they do or don't want it.  That's a long time to tie up
a salesperson and a machine.
 
Before we became an authorized dealer, we still did demos.  There are
very few places that are software-only, and most of those are mail
order places, so once again, your dispute fails to hold its own ground.
 
Your third point touches on return policies.  Returns are a difficult
thing to guage, however, we generally accept them for a store credit.
However, if the same person tried to return just about everything they
bought, we would indeed think twice.  If a dealer knows his software,
he probably has very few packages that "suck".  If a dealer knows his
customers, he can make recommendations on packages that will suit the
customer's needs.  That's why you pay a dealer... for information as
well as for a product.
 
>Please, if you're going to flame me about economic infeasibility and
>how the market would simply shrivel up if dealers accepted returns in
>lieu of doing demos, at least concede that one point- that most
>programs in most places cannot be demoed and the buyer is, in effect,
>buying blind.
 
Caveat emptor.  Let the buyer beware.
 
If you are in an area where there is no dealer, learn to read... magazines,
the network, information services, bulletin boards... there is no dearth
of information available to the user who is truly interested in finding it.
In the Age of Information, there is no excuse for buying blind except
perhaps laziness... and stupidity.
 
 
 
 
-=-=-                              -=-=-                                 -=-=-
stowe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu                    At night the Ice Weasels come.
-=-=-                              -=-=-                                 -=-=-
 
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Date: 30 Jan 90 16:08:37 GMT
From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net  (Rob Demillo)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <27273@brunix.UUCP>
 
In article <21964@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth)
 writes:
>
>I also would like to say that anyone who is under the impression that
>there is more piracy on the ST then other computers OR that ST pirates
>are more organized is truly suffering from major delusions.
>
 
Sorry Chris, ask ST developers if they think they are suffering
from major delusions. There are two factors to consider:
        (1) The ST has a *very* small user base compared
                to the IBM or the Mac. A 25-30% theft ratio
                means a lot more lost revenue to the ST developers
                then the same ratio does to an IBM developer.
        (2) The Atari communities theft ratio is higher than
                any other platform. (40-50% based on a two year
                old Compute! article.) There could be many reasons
                for this...my personal theory is that the Atari
                community sprung (somewhat) out of the old
                8 bit Atari community, where game theft was
                rampant. Perhaps that philosophy held on into
                the ST community.
 
(Sorry to all those who think this thread doesn't belong on this
 group, but I believe it does - and I think its an important issue.)
 
 - Rob DeMillo                  | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu
   Brown University             | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
   Planetary Science Group      | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home)
"I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!"
 
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Date: 30 Jan 90 09:26:27 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1ygq@uunet.uu.net  (J.M. Spencer)
Subject: WANTED: LONG. & LATITUDE DATA
Message-ID: <1990Jan30.092627.29633@newcastle.ac.uk>
 
Try posting this request in the amatuer radio groups.  Radio hams are always
exchanging positions with each other.
 
Jonathan M Spencer    q1ygq@peel.newcastle.ac.uk
 
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