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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu, 15 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  209
 
Today's Topics:
                    Club pirating orgies (2 msgs)
                              Net Access
                          PCDITTO v. PCSPEED
                The ATARI ELITE ST ORG. of Pittsburgh.
                   Urbana ILL ST Club : I need info
               Various Problems - A cry from the dark.
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Date: 15 Feb 90 18:38:51 GMT
From: VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU!weaver@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (weaver)
Subject: Club pirating orgies
Message-ID: <361@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
 
In article <2554@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes:
>
>Heck, if you really want to make a difference, don't just write a
>letter,or make an announcement saying you're clean, the pirate
>boards just laugh in your face anyway, what do they care?
>
>Heck, just infiltrate the bloody organization, and format their
>hard disk, or palm an indistrial magnet, and run them over the
>disks... Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their
>systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does
>something.
 
This is a good way to get yourself prosecuted. A better way would be to get
the names of the people doing the pirating, the software packages
they are copying, and turn them into the manufacturers.  The FBI
might not do anything, but you can bet some of the manufacturers of
the software do.  I remember something in my Fontz! manual where
the author encouraged legit users to turn in illegit users of NeoCept's
software to him personally.  He stopped short of promising physical
retribution, but gave the feeling that he would see to it personally
that something would be done.
 
Most developers of ST software (save for WP Corp. and some others) are
not multi-million dollar enterprises, they are people like Dave
Beckenmeyer, Dave Small and Derek Mihocha (sp?) who would like to
derive a livelyhood from their work.  You can bet your a*s they are
interested in seeing pirating stopped.
 
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Date: 15 Feb 90 18:39:47 GMT
From: matthews@umd5.umd.edu  (Mike Matthews)
Subject: Club pirating orgies
Message-ID: <6133@umd5.umd.edu>
 
In article <2554@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]
>Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their
>systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does
>something.
 
Sure, so those worms, viruses, etc. will just be passed out into the rest of
the world, where innocent people will get blasted.  Great idea.  The magnet
thing has possibilities, though.  :-)
>
[more stuff deleted, so that inews won't complain]
 
>Mata ne da-tcha,
>Mark Newton-John
>
 
Mike
 
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Date: 15 Feb 90 15:10:42 GMT
From: cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@ub.d.umn.edu  (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Net Access
Message-ID: <A1230312527@thelake.mn.org>
 
[In article <18304@laurel.athertn.Atherton.COM>,
     alex@athertn.Atherton.COM (Alex Leavens) writes ... ]
 
> Dave Beckemeyer sells a UUCP package that works with
> his Multi-tasking C-shell.  It allows you to become
> a UUCP node in your own right (of course, you have
> to get someone who'll give you a feed...)  I've
> recently gotten the software working, and it's
> cool!  Just set your machine up, and the software
> does the rest...  (You _will_ become knowledgeable
> in the ways of the sysadmin, however! <grin>)
 
Others that I know about are:
 
        * STadel BBS/UUCALL, by David Parsons. The BBS supports
        Citadel networking plus external networkers; UUCALL is a
        combination uucico/rmail/rnews for STadel. Shareware.
 
        * UUMAIL, by Dale Schumacher. It's a combination uucico/rmail
        that works with your favorite editor and file pager to serve
        as a personal UUCP setup. Free. Note: This is no longer supported
        (see below).
 
        * UUPC, the limited UUCP system that is available on most
        personal computers. It supports only one net connection.
 
        * A BBS written by bill@meadow.UUCP that I haven't seen.
 
        * UUCICO by Clemens Schrimpe. I have seen this, but not tried
        it; the version I saw was quite limited.
 
        * ST Mail. (I've saved the best for last.) Dale Schumacher, Tom
        Cook, John Stanley and other STdNET folks have implemented Smail
        2.5, Bill Wells' Lmail, a very nice 7-packet negotiated windowing
        UUCP 'G' protocol, and a host of related utilities -- some ported
        from Unix sources and some original work. This is the Whole Nine
        Yards -- intelligent routing, piping of mail to programs (such
        as an archive server, perhaps), intelligent mail routing including
        full support of domain addresses, multiple mailboxes, mail
        forwarding, automatic mailing lists, news and news forwarding,
        ... and Tom even has it working with STadel. This is in beta
        testing, and it's working very well. Coming Real Soon Now*
        to your favorite comp.binaries newsgroup, and free.
 
Feel free to add to the list.
 
--
* It would be coming more quickly if I were fixing PostNews and writing
docs instead of writing this.
 
--
   Steve Yelvington at the (yay! it's snowing!) lake in Minnesota
 
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Date: 15 Feb 90 16:55:44 GMT
From:
 mailrus!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!roches
 ter!kodak!nelson@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (Bruce Nelson)
Subject: PCDITTO v. PCSPEED
Message-ID: <2343@kodak.UUCP>
 
In article <22099@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c162-ee@zooey.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Filner)
 writes:
>       So - my question is, why is everyone still concerned with PC-Ditto II
>when PC Speed exists?
 
Quite possibly, because A-G offered PCD-II at half price to PCD-I owners,
and A-G has their money.
 
At the ACORN meeting last night, one member brought in the PCD-II he
received yesterday (via UPS-Blue). Anothee member, who received his
PCD-II last week reports that it works w/ MSDOS 2.1, not 3.x. It has
a Norton SI of 4.2. he talked to A-G yesterday morning, and had 2 things
to report:
1) The "problem" has been found, and will require 2 chips to be replaced.
2) The PCD-II board cannot be made smaller because it is a 6-layer pc
board and there wouldn't be enough real estate on a smaller board to
accomodate the internal traces.
 
Bruce Nelson
President, Atari Computer Owners of Rochester, NY
 
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Date: 15 Feb 90 17:57:59 GMT
From:
 dogie.macc.wisc.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!c
 s.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!maytag!water!ljdick
 ey@decwrl.dec.com  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: The ATARI ELITE ST ORG. of Pittsburgh.
Message-ID: <2993@water.waterloo.edu>
 
With some trepidation, i dare to rush in.  (Mr Karbowsky, flames to /dev/null.)
 
More than one person has said to me that they thought this board
(The ATARI ELITE ST ORG. of Pittsburgh) has pirated software.
 
In the past maybe this was so, maybe not.
Does anyone have some concrete evidence?
 
Mr D.Karbowsky denies it is so:
 
In article <4125@cuphub.cup.edu> kar7481@cuphub.cup.edu (Dan
 Karbowsky;AtariEliteOfPghPa bbs412-384-5609) writes:
 
        [ nasties deleted ]
 
 | The Auto-Boss/Atari-Elite ST-BBS is *NOT* a pirate board.  Why would you
 | assume such anyway???
 
        [ more nasties deleted ]
 
If this is a prirate board, perhaps it should be shut down.
If not, accusers should stop throwing stones.
 
 
Does the board give the impression of being a Pirate Board?
Does it promise expensive software?
 
Or, I wonder, is there another board in the neighborhood that has
a similar name?
 
 
 
--
    L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
        ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca     ljdickey@water.BITNET
        ljdickey@water.UUCP             ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey
        ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
 
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Date: 15 Feb 90 18:20:19 GMT
From: silver!stowe@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu  (stowe)
Subject: Urbana ILL ST Club : I need info
Message-ID: <35951@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
 
In article <4885c645.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert)
 writes:
>My kid sister lives in Urbana Ill and she saw an announcement about an
>Atari ST club meeting next Tuesday night at Leal Elementary School in
>Urbana Ill. I need to speak to a member of that club. Are there any
>club members on USENET?? My sister wants to attend and I would like
>to get some more info for you before the meeting. Like how often do
>you meet. Where do you meet. When do you meet. Club President,etc.
 
We drove over to Urbana for the Fair... it was very well attended.  In fact,
the Fair was in conjunction with a PTA meeting at Leal, and the PTA was
impressed with the turnout they had at their meeting.  The area Atari marketing
rep was there as well.
 
I just called D.A.Brumleve, who lives in Urbana and is involved with the
group to get the answers that I didn't already know...
 
The group is CUSTUG (Champaign-Urbana ST Users Group) and meets every
second Wednesday (except this month - the Fair was the "meeting") at
the Urbana Free Library Auditorium at 7PM.  Henry Murphy is the club's
president.  He's on GEnie as H.MURPHY, I believe.  D.A.BRUMLEVE is also
on GEnie.  C.STANFORD is another member on GEnie.
 
>Please respond via email.
 
I've tried, but it bounces.  I also tried calling, but no one's working
there today, it seems.  :-)  If you can get me a path that works, I will
send you a phone number where your sister can call for some information.
I hope she went to the Fair anyway.  There were tables set up around the
auditorium with lots of great applications running.
 
Btw, C-U is under ice today... no power, no phone in some places.
 
Holly
 
 
 
 
-=-=-                              -=-=-                                 -=-=-
stowe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu                    At night the Ice Weasels come.
-=-=-                              -=-=-                                 -=-=-
 
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 90 10:06:42 CST
From: Robert Gambs <S54394GR%ETSUACAD.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Various Problems - A cry from the dark.
 
Hi I read your message on the A16 list and was wondering if you could tell
me something about the Megafile 30...how fast is it, how reliable is it?
I am just about to buy one, but I haven't totally made up my mind.  Do I need
anthing else to use it with?
 
 
            Robert (S54394GR at ETSUACAD.BITNET)
 
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