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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Mon, 19 Feb 90       Volume 90 : Issue  232
 
Today's Topics:
                             DLII, please
                       GNU C, ST cross compiler
                        Looking for Assembler
                  Matthew Lodge's message (ST World)
                    MINIX and NETWORK connections
                       OK, so they sell the STe
                       SID trio sound digitizer
                           ST sales #s was
                            Uniterm Fonts
                     What's a filename.Z archive?
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Date: 20 Feb 90 02:21:33 GMT
From:
 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!wat
 math!maytag!water!ljdickey@decwrl.dec.com  (L.J.Dickey)
Subject: DLII, please
Message-ID: <3000@water.waterloo.edu>
 
In article <90021007304058@masnet.uucp> derek.linfield@canremote.uucp (DEREK
 LINFIELD) writes:
>There are many programs that do what you request. I use DLII which is PD
>and works fine for me.
 
Does someone have a copy of this, please?
 
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    L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
        ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca     ljdickey@water.BITNET
        ljdickey@water.UUCP             ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey
        ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
 
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Date: 20 Feb 90 00:24:55 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!math.lsa.umich.edu!hyc@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
 (Howard Chu)
Subject: GNU C, ST cross compiler
Message-ID: <11047@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu>
 
In article <90049.103934MCCABE@MTUS5.BITNET> you write:
>I have recently reviewed some of the information about the ST port of
>GNU C and am *extremely* impressed!  I'd like to use the package soon,
>but I would prefer to write and compile my code on a Sun, then transfer
>the binaries over to my ST later.
>
>How difficult would this be?  Will the package compile normally on the
>standard Sun C compiler?  Any help would be appreciated.
 
This is easy to do, trivial in fact. But, you better have a lot of
disk space. The first step is to build the standard Sun version of
gcc, then use that to build the cross-compiler version. (Just takes
editing a few config files to select which version to build.) Once
you have the cross-compile built, you can compile the TOS C library
on the Sun as well, tho you don't need to (the binary is usually
already included). Then, just compile and link - you get TOS executables
with no sweat at all. Transfer to ST and run.
 
Hey - y'know, there's a Unix program distributed with Minix that
simulates a PC. How hard could it be to put together a TOS simulator
to run on, say, a Sun or NeXT box...( or Atari TT, for that matter!)??
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  -- Howard Chu @ University of Michigan
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 09:27:15 GMT
From: snorkelwacker!spdcc!merk!alliant!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!mboen@think.com
 (Martin Boening)
Subject: Looking for Assembler
Message-ID: <1274@nixpbe.UUCP>
 
There's also a thing called Turbo Ass 1.1 I haven't got it yet but it's
in the Public Domain (for instance on a 'Jedes Bit zaehlt' Diskette).
 
Martin
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Paper Mail: Martin Boening, Nixdorf Computer AG, DS-CC22,
            Pontanusstr. 55, 4790 Paderborn, W.-Germany
 
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 90 21:33:24 GMT
From: D.Tilley%ULCC.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Matthew Lodge's message (ST World)
Message-ID: <A1B03972B1614A00@UK.AC.ULCC.MVS>
 
M.Davidson deplores the possible demise of 'ST World'.  I agree.  'ST World' is
the best microcomputer magazine - for whatever machine.  Its demise would be a
disaster.
 
Long live 'ST World'!
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 09:43:20 GMT
From: snorkelwacker!spdcc!merk!alliant!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!mboen@think.com
 (Martin Boening)
Subject: MINIX and NETWORK connections
Message-ID: <1275@nixpbe.UUCP>
 
whitten@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
 
>After reading thru the MINIX newsgroup, my intrest about ST MINIX has
>really grown...  I would love to hear from anyone out there that has
>purchased the package, as well as anyone else who has two cents to
>put in.  Specifically, does it support multitasking, multiple users,
>that kind of thing?  Can you still run TOS programs from inside it?
>Would you consider it useful to people who aren't real unix gurus?
>
 
MINIX is a 'clone' of UNIX (TM), V7. It can certainly do multitasking. On
PC engines it also does multiuser processing. The ability is also there in
MINIX ST but there may be a problem regarding the tty ports (i.e. serial
ports). I haven't tried it yet, though. The newest version, namely 1.5.0,
contains rs232 support and should therefore support multi users (2). This
cannot be bought it must be built from the Version 1.1 sold by PH using the
patches for PC and ST that were posted to the net.
 
You CANNOT run TOS programs. You can try to add such a feature analogous
to the ability of running DOS programs in SCO Unix but it would be quite a
project.
 
You should have UNIX knowledge. If you intend to do upgrading you should
even be competent in UNIX and system programming. If you intend to do
program development...
 
I would NOT consider it useful as a USERS OS. It's more a thing for people
who want to know their way around in operating systems and like to have one
os they can hack themselves (I haven't seen a spreadsheet for MINIX, for
instance).
 
Hope this helps you.
Martin
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Paper Mail: Martin Boening, Nixdorf Computer AG, DS-CC22,
            Pontanusstr. 55, 4790 Paderborn, W.-Germany
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 22:34:53 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!aimd@uunet.uu.net  (M Davidson)
Subject: OK, so they sell the STe
Message-ID: <2369@castle.ed.ac.uk>
 
In article <900218.00165749.037772@SFA.CP6> Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (Z4648252)
 writes:
>1.  The Mega2 ST.  I bought it because I was *assured* by the man
>    himself during a convention that it would be the front-end for
>    the ATW.  That idea was abandoned.
 
Oh dear - here at Edinburgh Uni we have an ATW with a Mega 2 front-end!
Does that mean we're out of date?
 
>3.  Documentation.  As a user, I cannot find 'official' Atari documentation
>    designed for users that is of technical nature.  Docs that come to
>    mind is that similar to the technical manuals SUPPLIED with the
>    Amiga 500 and optional manuals similar to the Commodore 64 or 128
>    Reference manual.  Are we Atari STers rated any less?  No, but as
>    far as docs are concerned, the ST seems to be built for developers, not
>    for users.
 
Yeah, docs are a bit of a bummer but if you buy a decent C compiler they
usually come with ST documentation. Prospero C has over 1000 pages,
split into 4 books, one on ANSI C libraries, one on the language and the
other two cover the AES and VDI in detail (however, they seem to have
been nicked from the IBM GEM documentation). The Concise Atari ST
Programmer's Reference by Katherine Peel is a good reference on all
aspects of the ST. There are NO technical manuals supplied with UK Amy
500's the docs cost about 30 quid a book and there's about 4 books. At
least they're available though.
 
>Larry Rymal:  |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
 
Mark Davidson.
 
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Date: 20 Feb 90 01:50:52 GMT
From: dino!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!deimos!uafhp!uafhcx!dhe@uunet.uu.net  (David Ewing)
Subject: SID trio sound digitizer
Message-ID: <3733@uafhp.uark.edu>
 
In article <4278@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, ins_bac@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Ajay Choudhri)
 writes:
> I picked up the sharware article on building a digitzer(sound) for the MAC
> doesn't warrant it.
> anyone have a design+software worth gabbing about??
>
 
       I've written a sound editor program for a sound digitizer that I have
built.   It has all of the standard editing ablities that you may have seem of
the commercial software packages plus a few extras like digitial
amplicification and digitial mixing.  Of course I sure have gotten alot of
questioning looks whenever I tell people that I wrote the program in
GFABASIC 3.02 (Don't panic, I've used machine language extensivly).  If there
is any interest I'll have this thing posted to comp.binaries.atari.st.
 
       By the way, the design for the sound digitizer was made by a electronic
design program also written by me, but that's a whole other story....
 
              -Dave
 
 
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 dhe@uafhcx.uark.edu                      David Ewing, University of Arkansas
 dhe@uafb15.uark.edu   "DON'T PANIC!!!"       Computer Science Engineering
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Date: 19 Feb 90 17:10:46 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1cbw@uunet.uu.net  (D.C. Halliday)
Subject: ST sales #s was
Message-ID: <1990Feb19.171046.17129@newcastle.ac.uk>
 
In a Mag last year ST user (I think) They said the following had been sold:
 
About 300,000  In the UK  (Mix of machines 520's being common)
About 300,000  In France  (As the UK. for types sold)
And   500,000+ In Germany (Most at least 1040 lots of megas sold)
 
Over  a  million in 3 countries is not bad if the above are corect and
this was at least 5 months ago.
 
Dave H.
(D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk)
 
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Date: 19 Feb 90 23:16:31 GMT
From:
 snorkelwacker!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!deimos!uaf
 hp!uafhcx!dhe@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (David Ewing)
Subject: Uniterm Fonts
Message-ID: <3732@uafhp.uark.edu>
 
    Does anyone out there know the format of the 'uft' font files for
Uniterm 2.0e?  The readme file states that they are supposed to be just the
data part of a GEM font file, and of course, I have no information on that
either.  I'd like to load a IBM font so that I can use Uniterm with our local
IBM BBS's that use those extended characters.  Thank you for anything anyone
can send me.
 
        -Dave
 
 
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 dhe@uafhcx.uark.edu                      David Ewing, University of Arkansas
 dhe@uafb15.uark.edu   "DON'T PANIC!!!"       Computer Science Engineering
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Date: 20 Feb 90 00:28:11 GMT
From:
 cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!math.lsa.umich.edu!hyc@tut.cis.
 ohio-state.edu  (Howard Chu)
Subject: What's a filename.Z archive?
Message-ID: <11048@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu>
 
In article <17138@boulder.Colorado.EDU> millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU (MILLER TODD
 C) writes:
>OK, I'm sure this has been answered before in this newsgroup, so please forgive
 me.  (I only got my ST 4 days ago) Anyway, I was going to ftp some stuff from
 wuarchive.wustl.edu and I noticed that all the archives ended with a .Z
 extender.  What do I need to unarc these type files? (I've got ARC and ZOO).
 Any help  would be greatly appreciated.
 
A ".Z" signifies a file compressed with compress 4.3, a PD utility from the
Unix world. You should be able to find an ST version there as well.
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  -- Howard Chu @ University of Michigan
 
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