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INFO-ATARI16 Digest         Thu, 25 Jan 90       Volume 90 : Issue   99
 
Today's Topics:
                      Facts, not only talking a
                           Joystick button
                          Keyboard Question
                        MAC Emulator on ATARI
                        Need Hard Disk Wisdom
                         STE memory upgrade.
                       ST S/ware Rental Places
                          TT. More rumours?
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Date: 25 Jan 90 18:44:00 GMT
From: sjsca4!greg@uunet.uu.net  (Greg Wageman)
Subject: Facts, not only talking a
Message-ID: <1990Jan25.184400.21273@sj.ate.slb.com>
 
Opinions expressed are the responsibility of the author.
 
In article <1990Jan24.000300.17229@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 barry@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Barry Lay) writes:
>Regarding the machine dependence of code written for the Atari, I have noticed
>with some delight that the graphical calls for OS/2 resemble those for the GEM,
>probably because they came from same place.  The concern I have with getting
>along without the developers toolkit is twofold, however.  Firstly, how do you
>know that you can trust the information in those generally available books to
>be correct and applicable to all releases of the TOS?  Secondly, how do you
>build resource files without the RCS?  I managed to create object trees in a
>program from the PROGEM notes, but that is a very time-consuming way to do it
>compared to the program in the toolkit.
 
You can't trust third-party docs any more than you can trust the
Developer's Docs themselves.  Remember, the developer's docs describe
how the system was *supposed* to work.  The Mark Williams C manual in
many cases describes how the system *really* works, which can be a
great blessing.  Your best bet is to have at least two different
sources, and cross-reference them.  I have three: developer's docs,
MWC, and the Abacus Internals book.  I've given up on the Abacus book
(mainly because it's a rather poor translation and too hard to read).
Between MWC, DevDocs, and trial-and-error, I've managed to figure out
most of what I needed.  Oh, yeah, and Usenet helps too. :-)
 
As for building object trees without an RCS, if you manage to do it
with anything complex, you're a better man than I.  The simplest menu
bar took me forever to build by hand, and I never did get it quite
right.  I tried to get Kuma's RCS, but The Catalog stopped carrying it
just as I developed the need.  Fortunately, Mark Williams released
theirs with 3.0 of their compiler.  I've been using it regularly and
with great rejoicing.
 
You might be able to find Kuma's mouldering on some Atari dealer's
shelf somewhere, if you're lucky; but Mark Williams supports theirs
(and sells a good compiler/debugger to boot).
 
Copyright 1990 Greg Wageman     DOMAIN: greg@sj.ate.slb.com
Schlumberger Technologies       UUCP:   ?uunet,decwrl,amdahl?!sjsca4!greg
San Jose, CA 95110-1397         BIX: gwage  CIS: 74016,352  GEnie: G.WAGEMAN
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 90 16:47:54 EST
From: Doctor Who <440488%UOTTAWA.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Joystick button
 
Hi all,
  I got a small problem here. I'm trying to get the keyboard to tell
me that the joystick button for port 1 has been pressed. I've written
my own joyvec handler and do the $16 keyboard instruction to read the
joysticks. I get the proper numbers for movements but no high bit
set when I press the button. Do I have to set up some kind of
initialization for this to occur?? I am doing this in assembler.
 
 
                                       Doctor Who
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 19:56:27 GMT
From: uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr1@g.ms.uky.edu  (Christopher Roth)
Subject: Keyboard Question
Message-ID: <21945@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
 
Hi world...
 
A few questions.  First, It seems to me that it should be an easy
matter to put a  detachable keyboard on the 1040 ST.  Does any company
sell such a product or is there a simple way of doing it that does NOT
involve  a saw?
 
Also, I have heard that there are alternate cases out there for the
ST (Designer cases?).  Does anyone have any info on this?  If so, who
makes them, how can I reach them?
 
 
 
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 20:36:35 GMT
From: tank!iitmax!demosxs@handies.ucar.edu  (Sisanouk Sopha)
Subject: MAC Emulator on ATARI
Message-ID: <3280@iitmax.IIT.EDU>
 
    I would like to buy an Atari machine that capable of doing a Macintosh
Emulation using add-on card. Couple years ago I heard there is such a product.
i wonder if they still have it. Do anybody know where can i get this product
and have anyone experienced using it? How much does it cost? (the whole system)
    Thanks for your reply....I'm appreciated.
 
 
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 14:14:50 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzsc!hcj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (HC Johnson)
Subject: Need Hard Disk Wisdom
Message-ID: <1237@lzsc.ATT.COM>
 
In article <9001240804.AA01575@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, FNDDR@ALASKA.BITNET ("Don
 Rice, GI 708B, 474-7569", 907) writes:
> In <7500012@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, totty@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
> >       hard disks fro the ST.  Advice on interfacing, drive/controller
> I've built three 60 MB drives using the BMS-200 kits from E. Arthur Brown.
> EABCo sells the BMS host adapter, case, and power supply...you buy the
 
> 3. The BMS software is very basic, limited to 4 partitions @ 16 MB.  The
 
I echo Don's happy words.  I have both a BMS-100 (retired) and BMS-200.
The BMS-200 creates a real SCSI chain.  I have 2 Adaptec 4000A and 1 SCSI
cartridge tape.  All works well.
 
I previously mailed to those interested my own formatter and partitioner.
I wrote them to support simply my large drives.  They support SUPRA partition-
ing (12/drive), large TOS of 32meg (tos 1.4 only).
 
I use my rewrite of the BMS driver which supports the SUPRA tools and adds
'mount' to allow changing the name of a drive. (That way the name stays the
same as partitioning is changed.)
 
I recommend BMS highly.
 
Howard C. Johnson
ATT Bell Labs
=====NEW address====
att!lzsc!hcj
hcj@lzsc.att.com
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 15:01:51 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1cbw@uunet.uu.net  (D.C. Halliday)
Subject: STE memory upgrade.
Message-ID: <1990Jan25.150151.28362@newcastle.ac.uk>
 
I am desperate to upgarade an STE's memory and have some questions. This Is a
repost as I am not sure if the first post reached the net.
 
Question 1.
 
Are  the SIMM modules in the STE of a standard type, as I have seen an
ad for SIMM modules for these machines ...
 
Amstrad,AST,DELL,EPSON,EVEREX,HP,INTEL,IBM,SUN... etc of the following
types.
 
                 Memory X bits     Speed
                 ---------------------------------
                    256Kx8   100ns or 80ns
                    256Kx9   100ns or 80ns or 60ns
                    1Mx8     100ns or 80ns or 70ns
                    1Mx9     100ns or 80ns or 70ns
                    4Mx8     80ns
                    4Mx9     80ns
 
So  which  of  these are of use and how can I mix them?0I know the STE
has four SIMM slots. I think the 520STE (yes ATARI UK are  shipping  a
520  version)  has  boards in 2  slots (is this 256Kx8 ?).
 
Question 2.
 
I  have heard that the STE can access more memory than the ST. 8mb was
quoted by a person at Third Coast. Is this  correct or can it go higher say
with four boards of 4Mx8 to give 16M ? Is this memory still accessed as two
banks? So how does TOS 1.6 access its memory?
 
 
Dave H.
 
(d.c.halliday@newcastle.ac.uk)
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 19:02:09 GMT
From: cunixc!cunixd.cc.columbia.edu!ia4@columbia.edu  (Imran Anwar)
Subject: ST S/ware Rental Places
Message-ID: <2713@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu>
 
In article <26640@brunix.UUCP> rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
>In article <418@ssc.UUCP> fyl@ssc.UUCP (Phil Hughes) writes:
>>In article <26232@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes:
>>
>>> My accepting that fact from you is a *far* cry from condoning a
>>> place taht "rents" software. For every "great guy" like you, I
>
>Several of you (Phil, Greg) are missing my point. I am willing to
 
>>I can rent a Ford to see if that is the kind of car that I want to drive.
>
>Again, these analogies do not hold! A car is a unique item that you
>cannot instantly duplicate for pennies. Ford Motor Company is not putting
>
>I *can't* think of an analogous example because there *isn't* one.
>The only one that comes close is in the record industry. When I was
 
 
 
I think piracy is an issue that threatens the movie/video industry also. Yet
there are video rental places all over the place.
 
 
>My point is that piracy continues. Software rental places would
>"legitimize" piracy in the minds of people who already think its
>ok.
 
 
Same logic applies to video rentals I think.
 
Imran
 
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Date: 25 Jan 90 13:36:31 GMT
From: att!dptg!lzaz!bds@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bruce Szablak)
Subject: TT. More rumours?
Message-ID: <916@lzaz.ATT.COM>
 
In article <9001240802.AA00950@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,
 BALTUCH@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Jacob Baltuch) writes:
> Besides the "under $2000" noun clause seems so ridiculous...
> Wouldn't such a price threaten Mega > sales? ...
 
Open Computer Shopper to almost any page you'll see adds like: 80386 - 20 MHz,
1MB RAM (up to 8MB), 200 Watt PS, Both 1.2 and 1.44 MB FDs, 68M HD (28ms),
14" SVGA Monitor with 512K-16 Bit VGA Card, MSDOS4.01 and GW BASIC,
1 Yr warranty (30 day money back guarantee) - $2495 (4MB system - $2740)
(shipping extra) [Computer Shopper 2/90 - EPS Tech.]
 
My point is that whatever you think about MSDOS and Intel architectures, a
TT product must be price competitive with these 386 systems. Besides, GEM
was available for MSDOS systems even before the ST came out...
 
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