Info-Atari16 Digest         Fri,  8 Nov 91       Volume 91 : Issue 582
 
Today's Topics:
                     8mhz ST = 16mhz 386 (3 msgs)
                       A tale of two computers
           Atari Mega4 ST, ICD HD, Spectre GCR For Sale...
                            ATARI ST 4sale
                   GDOS Fonts:The Next Generation?
                           GENIE emailexit
                     GNU file utilities for MiNT
                   Gnumake under Hisoft Craft shell
                            GNU Tar v1.10
            Looking for ST software to design a floorplan
              PD or shareware Fortran Compiler out there
                 Smooth graphics in GFA Basic - HELP!
                               SPACOLA?
                        Stacy for sale: maybe
                 using less.ttp as the Neodesk pager
                          What's! happening?
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 02:16:58 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!rosenkra@arizo
 na.edu (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: 8mhz ST = 16mhz 386
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <rreiner.689360292@yorku.ca> rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca (Richard Reiner)
 writes:
>Using the most widely-accepted benchmark of non-floating-point
>performance, the dhrystone test, a 1040 ST gets about 700
>dhrystones/sec, while a 386DX-33 has a best-case (small model)
>performance of a little over 13000 dhrystones/sec, and worst-case
>(large model) of about 8000.  (These figures have been widely
>reported, and I have confirmed them myself).  A 386SX-16 should get
>16/33rds of the 386DX-33's performance (although I have not
>empirically confirmed this).
 
some time ago (> 18 months) i posted dhrystone 2.1 (or 2.0) to c.b.a.st
and c.s.a.st. i am certain i included the sources, tho all i find on
terminator is a .ttp. this is bad since that ttp (if it is the one i
posted) was done with alcyon. like 800 d's (bad). a compiler like gcc
or lattice or turbo should do >2000 i believe. i can't find the source
(easily) so if someone has it, could u upload to atari.archive? there
should be no such thing as a dhrystone "executable" since (IMHO) this
bm is as much a test of the _compiler_ as the architecture, more,
perhaps. any dhrystone results (at least on computers with lots of
third party compilers - eg the ST) should always include the _compiler_
as part of the reported dhrystone results, preferably with version
and switch settings (eg "i got 2435 D with gcc 1.40 using gcc -O ...").
it also might not be a bad idea to be real explicit with the h/w
config as well (memory, tos rev, clock speed, disk, etc).
 
also, i think dhrystone, tho prolific, is a lousy bm today.
 
otherwise, i think richard is pretty much on the mark.
 
>All this is just another illustration of the perils of mass-market
>computers: people end up tossing around terms like "benchmark" without
>understanding anything about them: in this case, that comparison
>between different architectures using software tests is VERY TRICKY.
 
amen...
 
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
--
Bill Rosenkranz            |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 05:52:04 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!
 cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: 8mhz ST = 16mhz 386
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
> > Using the most widely-accepted benchmark of non-floating-point
> > performance, the dhrystone test, a 1040 ST gets about 700
> > dhrystones/sec ...
 
>What compiler did you use? I get 1250 dhrystones/sec (registers
>enabled) with a standard 8mHz ST and Sozobon C 1.32i beta.
 
I ran it this morning, and my FTL Modula-2 version gets 1086 dhrystones/sec.
From this, I would guess gcc -O, or TurboC (yuck) could get 2000.
 
 
Warwick
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 /     *  <-- Computer Science Department,
 \_.-._/      University of Queensland,
      v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 6 Nov 91 16:03:44 GMT
From: psinntp!uupsi!mpoint!ritz@uunet.uu.net (Chris Mauritz)
Subject: 8mhz ST = 16mhz 386
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Nov3.204636.3057@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 lch3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Lauren C. Howard) writes:
>For all you folks contemplating jumping ship:
>
>An article in the October Current Notes magazine reviews up-to-date
>benchmarks comparing the ST and TT  vs. 286/386sx/386/486
>
>Our little ol' 8mhz ST's come out equal to or slightly better than
>the 386sx in ALL benchmarks, including running identical programs.
>
>The 386 is only slightly better (20mhz), and conjecture is that the
>Mega STE would blow any 386 away.
>
>The TT was mucho better than the 486, though unclear by how much.
>
>Chew on that awhile.
 
This is absolute bullsh*t.  I can only think of one reason that a
386 or 386sx machine would LOOK slower than an 8 or 16mhz 68000,
and that would stem from the use of Windows on the Pc side.  I
find it terribly amusing that there are still a few Atari cheerleaders
around who have had their head in the sand long enough to believe that
a 68000-based dinosaur is remotely comparable to a 32-bit open
architecture system.  This may have been true when PC's were using
8088 and 80286-8mhz chips and using Hercules monochrome graphics,
but the fact is that you can get better graphics at a lower price
on any PC clone these days.  You can get cheaper hard disks, cheaper
RAM and most importantly you can get thousands of well written
SOFTWARE off the shelf.  This includes many different operating
systems written by professional developers so you don't have to
depend on the manufacturer's shoddy ROM chips or some usenet hacker.
I can think of three different versions of System V unix for the
PC that you can go out and buy now and if you must have GEM, you
can even have that too.
 
BTW, you can now buy a 486-50mhz clone decked out with a large (200mb+)
hard disk, 8mb RAM, and 1024X768 color graphics for about $3000+change.
This machine will crank out about 20 million instructions per second
and you have a virtually unlimited supply of 3rd party companies that
will supply any hardware need you can imagine which will pop neatly
into one of the many open slots you have available.
 
Ultimately, the market will decide if the Atari machines deserve
to live.  Take one look at how investor confidence in Atari stock
and you should get a prelude of what is to come.
 
Keep dreaming...
 
Cheers,
 
Chris
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Chris Mauritz                       |Meetpoint Station BBS - Public Access Unix
ritz@msb.com                        |(718)899-0662   v.32/v.32bis/v.42bis 9600b
Copyright (C) 1991                  |Join us...We're friendly dammit! :-)
 
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Date: 6 Nov 91 15:31:53 GMT
From: psinntp!uupsi!mpoint!ritz@uunet.uu.net (Chris Mauritz)
Subject: A tale of two computers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct29.224140.10134@ns.network.com> logajan@ns.network.com (John
 Logajan) writes:
>
>Last month I bought my first PC clone (386) and entered the world of
>640k max memory.  Yuk.  My new PC is fast and has great graphics, but
>it is user unfriendly as far as writing one's own software that uses
>more than the 300k or so available memory.
>
>I was pondering the option of not upgrading my older ST but just keeping
>it as is and using the PC for my main uses.  But after playing with the
>PC for a few weeks, I'm pretty convinced I will no longer upgrade my
>PC but just keep it around for store bought software/hardware options
>that I can't get for my ST/TT (when I get my TT.)
 
For what it's worth...the 640K limit on 80X86 machines is an MS-DOS
limitation, not a limitation of the hardware.  There are MANY programs
that you can run to overcome this limit and there are several other
choices of OS you can run that eliminate the problem as well.  So your
problem is not with the hardware, it is with your OS and/or the
software you are using.  If you'll poke around the ibm groups for a
while you will be able to sort out what you need to get your 386
machine screaming along.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris
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Copyright (C) 1991                  |Join us...We're friendly dammit! :-)
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 10:03:43 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!csus.edu!beach.csulb.edu!stevela@arizona.
 edu (Steve La)
Subject: Atari Mega4 ST, ICD HD, Spectre GCR For Sale...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Atari Mega4 ST complete system........................$ 975 obo
  * Jin mouse
  * Kraft Joystick (brand new)
  * Monitor Master switch box
  * Atari Monochrome monitor with stand
  * Stereo sound board installed
  * Software: Falcon, mission disk, Strider II, Dungeon Master,
              Shadow of the Beast, ST Control, dBMAN, Goldrunner,
              Tempus, Shadow background multitasker, Switch Back,
              King Quest I, II, III, Golden Path, Courier Command,
              Karate Kid II, Slaygon, Jupiter Probe, Tower Toppler,
              Sky Fox, Bloodwych, and much more
              Most software have original disks, boxes and manuals.
  I've designed an one-of-a-kind, dual, switchable
  TOS Operating System on ROMs (TOS 1.0 & TOS 1.4)
  with LED indicator.  Very unique!
 
Atari ST 85 Megabytes hard disk.......................$ 395 obo
  * ICD host adapter
  * 2 built-in fans
  * LED indicators
  * Seagate ST296n SCSI hard disk
 
Spectre GCR Macintosh Emulator........................$ 325 obo
  * complete with manual and disks
  * including Macintosh 128K ROMs
  * Original Macintosh System 6.0 disks
  * All necessary cables
 
I will pay for all shipping costs.
 
-Steve
  ___   _____   ____   _  _   ____       _       __           Steve La
/ ___) (_   _) | ___) | || | | ___)     | |     /  \       Network Manager
\__  \   | |   | _)_  | || | | _)_      | |__  | || |     stevela@csulb.edu
(____/   |_|   |____)  \__/  |____)     |____) |_||_|      (213) 985-4750
CALSTATE UNIVERSITY LONG BEACH, 1250 Bellflower Blvd. Long Beach, CA  90840
 
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Date: 7 Nov 91 17:10:34 GMT
From: dg!chan@uunet.uu.net (Allen Chan)
Subject: ATARI ST 4sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Atari 520ST, Complete system for serious user.
 
Hardware: 1 meg memory, color monitor, dual sided
floppy drive, 30 meg harddrive, MIDI, etc.
 
Langauges: Pascal, Modula-2, LISP, 68K macro assembler.
 
Tools: Unix, multitasking package, communications package,
VT100 emulator.
 
Applications:  Word processor with real time spell checker,
1-2-3 like spreadsheet with write 90, database, CAD program.
 
Books & Manuals:  68K programmer's books, TOS BIOS book, system
manuals, applications manuals.
 
Fun Stuff:  Music program, copy protection breaker, two
draw programs, too many games to mention.
 
works perfectly.  Sell whole system or parts.
$950/bo for whole system.
Allen Chan W (508) 870-9875 H (508) 820-7236
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 03:52:41 GMT
From: noao!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!dlk0ms9s@arizona.edu
Subject: GDOS Fonts:The Next Generation?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  Querry:
 
        On the Star Trek board there are two files that have the Next
Generation fonts.  Are there any like this available for the ST.  They are for
the Mac.
 
  Mark Santora
 
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Date: 6 Nov 91 15:37:30 GMT
From: psinntp!uupsi!mpoint!ritz@uunet.uu.net (Chris Mauritz)
Subject: GENIE emailexit
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <7163.2906e5d2@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
 (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:
>In article <49146@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>[Several "gotchas" deleted]
>
>> In other words, there are a LOT of "gotcha's" involved.  You need to be
>> very aware of what is included, and what is "extra cost".
>>
>> Back to the original subject... no, there is no InterNet mail
>> connection to GEnie.
>>
>> There IS, however a two-way InterNet connection to CompuServe.
>>
>
>But, Multiplayer gammes are now part of the Basic service!!
 
Are you SURE about this?  Does this include Air Warrior?  If so, I
may just sign up again. :-)
 
Skoal,
 
Chris
 
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Copyright (C) 1991                  |Join us...We're friendly dammit! :-)
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 01:35:31 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-s
 erver.csri.toronto.edu!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!julian!uwovax.uwo.ca!7103_262
 2@arizona.edu (Eric Smith)
Subject: GNU file utilities for MiNT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've uploaded source code and binaries for version 3.1 of the GNU
file utilities to atari.archive.umich.edu, in the files
futilsrc.zoo and futilbin.zoo respectively. They run under both TOS
and MiNT, although without MiNT 0.9 chown, chgrp, and ln aren't
very useful :-).
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario   7103_2622@uwovax.bitnet
 
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Date: 7 Nov 91 22:48:57 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!math.fu-
 berlin.de!unido!mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!chalmers.se!dtek.chalmers.se!dxper@ar
 izona.edu (Per Anders Olausson)
Subject: Gnumake under Hisoft Craft shell
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  I've just started using Gnumake in my system which I run under the Hisoft
  CRAFT shell. Previously I used the make which came with the shell, but
  unfourtunately I found it to be a not-so-good-version.
 
  Gnumake seems to be working OK, but at some point I end up having a need
  to execute shell commands (most notably the "touch" command) but this is
  an internal function of the shell.
 
  Is there anyone with inside knowledge about the Gnumake program which knows
  if it is possible to execute commands via the standard system() interface
  which CRAFT supports (which would then give me the full abilities of the
  shell without any hassles, hopefully)...
 
  pao
 
--
.............................Andrew Olausson................................
............................Systems Architect...............................
..........................dxper@dtek.chalmers.se............................
..............................pao@proxxi.se.................................
 
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Date: 7 Nov 91 11:32:09 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!mucs!logitek!alanh@uunet.uu.net (Alan Hourihane)
Subject: GNU Tar v1.10
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
 
        Well, I've recompiled my port of GNU Tar v1.10 with patchlevel 14 of
the MiNT libraries and now it should support symbolic links when used with
MiNT v0.9. I've had no way to test this yet, so if anybody has problems,
please tell me about them.
 
        I've sent both sources and binaries off to Graham Higgins, who should
be uploading them to A.A pretty soon. Maybe cross posting to c.b.a.st and
c.s.a.st too.
 
        I've just laid my hands on Paul Moreau's code for accessing SCSI
tapes through Tar, so when I get chance I am going to incorporate it into
GNU Tar v1.10.
 
        I haven't tested this version at all with MiNT v0.9 as I haven't laid
my hands on a copy of MiNT v0.9 yet. But I have tested it successfully under
MiNT v0.8.
 
        Let me know how it all goes if anybody uses it.......
 
        Alan Hourihane
 
        email: alanh@logitek.co.uk
 
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Date: 7 Nov 91 16:40:01 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!
 uvaarpa!software.org!larock@arizona.edu (Curt Larock)
Subject: Looking for ST software to design a floorplan
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
E. Arthur Brown (612-762-8847) is selling GFA Draft for $19.95.
I don't know if it can be used as a "professional" CAD system, but
for my amateur use (redecorating the kitchen) it does a good job.
--
Curt Larock                     Software Productivity Consortium
larock@software.org             2214 Rock Hill Rd.
                                Herndon VA 22070
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 03:22:07 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!netcomsv!yonder@arizona.edu
 (Christopher Russell)
Subject: PD or shareware Fortran Compiler out there
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
jbunch@isis.cs.du.edu (John Bunch) writes:
 
>In article <LUPUS.91Nov4124036@sol.cs.uni-sb.de> lupus@cs.uni-sb.de (Markus
 Wolf) writes:
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>is there a PD or shareware version of a FORTRAN77 Compiler out there in
>>netland. Please, post me a server.
>>
>>      Lupus
 
>I seem to recall on on the aim disk.  If you want I can post it to
>comp.binaries.atari.st and atari.archive.  Give me a couple days..
 
>John
 
 
>--
>John B Bunch              *  I don't want the world, I just want your
>771 Madison Ave Apt.2e.   *     half....     -TMG
>Albany, NY 12208          *                     jbunch@isis.cs.du.edu
>(518) 436-3810            * UUCP: {...}!crdgw1!sixhub!myst!john
 
Please post to comp.binaries!  (Jeeze if only you would have been around
when I was taking that numerical analysis class)...
 
--
Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy)  Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 11:16:10 GMT
From: mcsun!ieunet!tcdcs!unix2.tcd.ie!bhwhelan@uunet.uu.net (Blake)
Subject: Smooth graphics in GFA Basic - HELP!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am currently writing a 3D graphical rotation program in GFA Basic and
I am having difficulty in creating flicker-free graphics. Does anyone
know how to direct graphics commands to a memory location while the
screen is displaying something else, and then copy the memory contents
to screen and over-write the previous one. Or, is there a way of doing
it through the TOS system commands available in GFA? Or am I looking in
the wrong place all together?
 
Any help appreciated - e-mail me if you can.
Thanks in advance.
B.
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 08:25:27 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!pbinfo!marc@uunet.uu.net (Marc Gumbold)
Subject: SPACOLA?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes about SPACOLA and OXYD2:
 
>I just wish I had an email address for the distributors, then I could
>tell them, get a fresh copy and probably buy the Dongle.
 
I'm afraid you can't reach them via email, though I think Meinolf
Schneider (the author of all these games) may be active in the MAUS net,
a german bbs net. Maybe somebody reading this group, being active in the
MAUS net as well, could forward your mail?
 
If all else fails, here's the snail address and phone no, as given in
the game, translated to some international usable format [:)]:
 
        Dongleware Verlag
        Meinolf Schneider
        Im Spitzerfeld 30
        6903 Neckargemuend
        Germany (West)
 
        Phone +49 6223 8740 (Fax as well)
        Monday - Friday 9 am - 5 pm GMT
 
Good luck,
Marc
 
(No, I'm in no way associated with Meinolf Schneider, I've just got
SPACOLA running here...)
 
--
   Marc Gumbold    marc@uni-paderborn.de || marc%horn.uucp@germany.eu.net
   "Computers are different from telephones. Computers do not ring."
                                                        - A. S. Tanenbaum
HELLO!  I'm a .signature virus! Join in and copy me into yours!
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 04:28:06 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard
 Covert)
Subject: Stacy for sale: maybe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <5725@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca writes:
>>
>>I am thinking of selling my Stacy, depending on how much I can get for
>>it, so start the offers rooling in.
>>
>>It is a STacy 4, which means 4 megs of RAM and a 40 meg drive. Anything
>>under $1300 will be laughed at heartily.
>
>
>Anyone heard offering this much would be laughed at even more heartily
>
>:-)
 
 
Afrined just bought a NEW in-warranty Stacy 2m/40m for $699. the
dealer wanted to sell it so he got a bargain.
 
I get the impression that the Stacys wer never very popular.
 
Anyway, my frined would be happy to sell his Stacy for $1,000.00
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
 
--
Richard E. Covert                 covert@cactus.org
CACTUS                  ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 00:47:16 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!gatech!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!pipe!boyd@arizona.edu
 (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: using less.ttp as the Neodesk pager
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Boy, do I feel like a yutz.  In a previous post, I stated my desire to
find the source for less.ttp (not the MINT one), so I could hardcode in
my favorite options for use as the Neodesk alternate page displayer.  The
reason for this was that Neodesk does not allow you to specify any options
in the path to the pager program.  Well, it was just pointed out to me that
I can simply set the LESS environmental variable to whatever options I
want, and less will automagically pick them up (environmental variable
setting was one of the original things that prompted the creation of
Neodesk, sheesh).  Anyway, I now can use less in my favorite form to view
files from the desktop.  It takes three steps:
 
        1.  Create a copy of less.ttp, and rename it less.tos (this is to
        prevent Neodesk from popping up an argument dialog, less does not
        seem to care).  If you use less with Gulam or such (as I do), this
        should be a separate copy.
 
        2.  Set the "alternate file viewer" to the full path to less.tos, under
        "set preferences", "paths" in Neodesk.
 
        3.  If you want any options, set the variable "LESS" to them under
        "environmental variables" in Neodesk.
 
That's all there is to it.  The only thing I miss is the ability to hit "v"
and fire up an editor (less reports "no shell!"), but I can live with that.
It is so nice to have a file viewer I can search for stuff with (using the
"/" directive)!
 
By the way, this is the less available from atari.archive in the file
/atari/utilities/less.arc.  There is also a less97.arc out there, but it
is a MINT specific port.
 
I still want the source to this guy, to see if I can fix the "v" thing and
also maybe to add "scroll up/down 1 page" commands via the two mouse buttons.
If you have it (for this particular version of less, for the ST) let me know.
 
Also, I have a buddy that complains about not having a good pager program for
his TT.  We are going to test out less to see if it works on his system.  I'll
post the results.
 
Finally, thanks to the MITer that pointed out the existance of the LESS
environmental variable (which is also right in the man page for less).
There's nothing like missing the obvious . . . .
 
--
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
             Mickey R. Boyd          |  "Come to your senses professor
          FSU Computer Science       |     Fernberg.  You did not transcend
        Technical Support Group      |     the time-space continuum.  You
       email:  boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu    |     got drunk in a topless bar."
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 
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Date: 8 Nov 91 04:20:22 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard
 Covert)
Subject: What's! happening?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <khaqncINNoss@iraul1.ira.uka.de> s_grunwa@irau26.ira.uka.de (Knut
 Grunwald) writes:
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>I like german docs a lot. And the reason for buying a ST is just
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>Knut Grunwald, Maximilianstr. 25, 6729 Jockgrim
 
 
Well, I just got a copy of Turbo C 2.03 and the docs are ALL in German.
Big surprise that, what?
 
Anyway, the package seems nice enough but I wish someone somewhere would
translate it to English.
 
I read on GEnie that the American distributor (Gribnif) said that it
won't be translated to English due to "legal resaons".
 
And yet they ask $275 for it!!
 
BTW, C Johnsons reports there are serious bugs in the TC2 GEM library
as well as the "mfree" function.
 
any other TC2 users out there? Can you confirm these bugs?
 
 
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Richard E. Covert                 covert@cactus.org
CACTUS                  ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
 
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