Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon,  3 Jun 91       Volume 91 : Issue 311
 
Today's Topics:
           ATARI TT030 versus AT 386/33 MHz and 64KB Cache
                       Color monitor for sale!
                               For Sale
                          Future Directions
                        Gemini Standard Usages
                          Hard disk booting
                            Help with UUCP
                            LHarc 1.13.21
                   Mega-2 Developers System ForSale
                          More than 4 Meg ??
                  Neophyte question: what's Blitter?
                          Personal Pascal 2
                            ST User Virus!
                           Unix for the TT?
         WANTED: CAD 3-D 2.0 & Computer Eyes/Digispec formats
                  What about comp.sys.atari.tt ????
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 12:48:24 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.colum
 bia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!faui09!rdjeline@ari
 zona.edu (Richard Jelinek)
Subject: ATARI TT030 versus AT 386/33 MHz and 64KB Cache
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi all there !
 
I own an TT030/4 and I was very interested in the position of this
machine in the computer-scene. A very good chance to find out, was
the best friend's purchase of an AT (see above). He got the
machine in pieces as an dealer for the price of 4200 DM.
That's what the MESS-DOS has:
* 1024 x 768 / 256 colors VGA
* 120 MB AT-Bus HD
* 386/33Mhz & 64 KB Cache
* 4 MEG of RAM
* DOS 4.x
 
The technical Data of an TT should be known in this Group.
 
OK here is the final truth:
 
SUBJECT:                     TT-DATA:              AT-DATA:
Drystones                   4885/7865(TT-Ram)      9811
Whetstones                  (no test-Programm)     170.1
 
Let's make an Stop here and look at this: The Drystone-Programm
that we did run on the TT was written for the ST and did not use
the special 68030 commands. The MESS-DOS has no FPU, so that
point should be no problem.
 
The next tests were little GFA-BASIC(!!) Programms.
On the TT 3.6(TT) was used.
On the AT 4.3(MS-DOS).
 
First Programm: (all programms were run uncompiled.
compiled all values would be factor 2 to 5 perhaps even more
faster ...)
1 Million INT-ADDS             20/12 sec.(TT-Ram)    5.1 sec !!
10.000 TANGENS                 0.805 sec             9.4 sec
10.000 SINUS                   0.667 sec             5.8 sec
 
GEM-Graphics (VDI)TT has NVDI  12 sec                27 sec
GEM-Graphics (AES)             3  sec                8  sec
 
 
From the TANGENS computing to the AES test you can divide
 the time by 1.6 if you
wish to know the TT-time in the Fast-Ram.
 
After 3 hours of testing and heavily exchanging opinions about the
machines (he HAS 120 MB HD <-> i HAVE 512 KB ROM and better Sound)
and so on, we stopped and played Eye of the Beholder on his AT.
At 2 o'clock in the morning, when he went home, we decided, that
both Machines are very very good (I think my is a little little bit
better).
 
By the way: we did the same test one year ago with the ST and an
10/12 Mhz 286. The result was the same. (The AT had AdLib Sound).
 
That's all !!
 
All TT-Users are welcome and I hope some want to contact me.
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 18:56:41 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!crdgw1!gecrdvm1!syspmzt@arizona.edu
Subject: Color monitor for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Apologies for filling up the net, but I can't mail to this address (?...)
 
Tony,
     If the monitor is still available, can you e-mail to my address or follow
up here?  I'm interested.
 
Phil Z
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 21:50:00 GMT
From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ab016@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Scotty Meredith)
Subject: For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Atari XG-1 (8bit) light gun with 2 carts for it, and another cart. $15
 
HP calculator, model 48SX, 1 month old, asking $250
 
::: asking $600 for the setup below :::
Atari STe w/4 megs w/cables and manuals, mouse
Mouse Master
50 disks (w/ and w/o software [PD])
Computer Keyskin
Mouse Pad and Epyx 500XJ joystick
 
                        reply to ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 23:10:41 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.
 pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu@arizona.edu (john c chu)
Subject: Future Directions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
 
Currently, I own an unexpanded 520STfm with a total of 2 720K drives
and believe it or not, for the moment anyways, it serves my needs
fairly well.
 
However, I'm thinking about the future and the possibility of
outgrowing this machine (which has, allowing for some "trade-ins" from
Atari, done everything I've needed it to do for the past 5 or 6
years) in the next few years.
 
I will probably be doing much more "numerically intensive" computing
work and some program development in the future as well TeXing reports
and the like (which of course, right now I'm not doing on my 512K ST)
along with the other "normal" applications.
 
Anyway, the question is this:
 
Should I save up to expand the memory up to 4 Megs, get a large hard
disk and maybe replace the 8MHz 68000 with something else
 
or is outgrowing this machine inevitable and I should save up for
something else (perhaps a TT or some other sexy sounding UN*X box)?
(In other words, by if I upgrade my ST, am I going to find myself
having to abondon it anyway?)
 
I know that I'm being difficult because I haven't been every specific
about my situation. The only thing I'm sure about at this point is
that I'm probably going to need more than my ST, as it currently
stands, can deliver.
 
Please reply by E-mail only!!!
 
I do not want to start some sort of flame war, but I would like the
advice of people who have perhaps already gone through this.
 
So, please reply by E-mail only!!!
 
If anyone is interested in the responses, write to me and I'll come up
with a summary to mail back.
 
Thanks...
 
                                        john
                                chu@acsu.buffalo.edu
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 16:17:18 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmsw
 wu1c!onm07@arizona.edu (Julian F. Reschke)
Subject: Gemini Standard Usages
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jun1.214409.18541@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
says:
>     This point has become sort of interesting.  If you read
>exactly what I said, it was a sort of a trick comment.  Truth
>is, I was being sarcastic.  I did realize that they were using
 
Please explain: for what reason did you WANT to be sarcastic?
 
>it to define a search path for an empty 'cd' call.  Truth is,
>also that I really haven't seen CDPATH used personally (though
>apparently it's 'csh' as well as 'ksh'.  What I was getting
>at though is that it's not classic Unix standard because 'sh'
>simply looks for HOME.  Though I'm starting to wonder now if
>some versions of 'sh' might have been re-written to go either
 
And BaSH, by the way...
 
>way.  But I was getting at a couple of points, albeit in retrospect,
>in an overly cleverly manner.  First, it's simply unnecessary.
>If you think about the purpose of HOME and the purpose of CDPATH,
>they are essentially duplcations of each other.  Second, as I
 
Wrong. $HOME is the home directory of the user. As long there is no
multi-user GEMDOS, there really is no need for soemthing like that on
the Atari.
 
$CDPATH however is a _list_ of paths, used only for `cd'. And, finally: why
don't you take a look in other shells like BaSH, which also have $HOME and
$CDPATH. Why don't you send your sarcastic comments to Brian Fox. Why didn't
you send constructive comments????
 
>pointed out earlier in my message, the Gemini team doesn't seem
>to understand what HOME is for, and if they did, they would have
>realized the unnecessary duplication.  And I was hoping that
>it would become clear, in a Zen sort of way that unnecessary
>clutter in the environment is to be avoided.  And also, as
>I said in my earlier posting, if you don't get your standard uses
>properly organized, you end up writing applications that look
>in the wrong places for things.  For example, if you have one
>fellow using CDPATH and HOME for different purposes arbitrarily
>and someone else somewhere else using them differently, you
>could wind up with 2 applications that conflict.  Like if
>1 is looking for a '.signature' file in your HOME directory
>which is '/usr/grp1/user1' but CDPATH is 'usr/projects/contract1'.
>After all, if you have both then why not use them?  Now if you're
>going to *look* like you're copying Unix usages, then you better
>be careful that you get some idea what standard usages really
>are.  And that may go beyond the manuals.
 
Again: $HOME points to a directory, $CDPATH is similar to $PATH -- it's a
list of paths. How _could_ they both be used for the same purpose?
 
>
>     And I guess in this case I suggest that people simply
>define CDPATH=${HOME} unless they have a really good reason not
>to do so.  And thinking about it, the best definition for the
>CONSOLDIR (I think that's what it was called) is simply "." rather
>than whatever they did (I think they set the console directory to
>the GEMINI directory or something like that).
>
>     But it was really sloppy of me.  I rarely post things
>so deliberately obscure, and frankly I just plain botched it.
>
 
In fact.
>--
>Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
>lsuc!jimomura
>Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET,    slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 15:15:49 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Hard disk booting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1JUN91133124@vms.huji.ac.il> seran@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
> Hi,
>  Please tell me if this is a good idea or are there better ones.
> Recently I , in a very tired and uncarring state, put a program in my boot
> drive c: of my hardisk. It was an ACC. When I rebooted the program caused
> the computer to totaly crash. I am using desk manager so I was not too worried
> and went into the ACC selection and unmarked this program. But it did not
 help.
> The ACC still ran and still crashed the computer. After many hours of working
> and trying to get rid of the program or around it in some way, I gave in to
 the
> thought that I will have to reformat my hard drive. The next day I came up
 with
> a simple, obvious idea which saved me. I only formatted drive c:. Then I put
> in C: as a boot drive again and reloaded from my back-up which was almost
 fully
> entact.
>
>  I avoided losing all 60 megs but I also came up with a diff idea. Why not
> partion the HD so that drive c: is the smallest amount of memory possible.
> make it a boot up drive and stick _only_ desk manager there. Then make a drive
> d: or whatever that will contain all the prg's and acc's that desk manager
 acceses.
> Then if ever I get a program which kills on booting I can just format drive c:
> and only need to restore desk manager. It sounds good to me, perhaps I am
> wrong. Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be appreciated.
>
>  Also, what is the procedure of putting dos on the hardisk for pcditto? And
> is there also a way to do the same for aladin?
>
>  Thanks,
>     Eran..
> (please answer to my email adress bellow if possible as I cannot read the list
>  often)
>
>  SERAN@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
 
Was the ACC set for Read Only ?? this could be one of your Problems.
Also it would have been very easy to Delete the ACC from the Directory
with a sector editor..there is a good PD, but Mono one thats called
Monomone.
 
 
 
 
 
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard        *    Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd          *  *   At least I don't Flicker, not     ***
***  Kapiti New Zealand..    *     like a dying light globe. !       ***
 
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Date: 2 Jun 91 19:11:17 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!mips!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!humu!pegasus
 !pilikia!northo@arizona.edu (Steve Northover)
Subject: Help with UUCP
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I need some recommendations for a UUCP program which will allow me
to use my Mega 2 to connect with another site to transfer mail and news.
 
I have tried Rodney's UUCP modules version 1.18. Although the two
machines successfully connected I got a message that the host expected
a window size of 7 and a data size of 64. Then the connection terminated.
 
Is there a simple fix for this or is there some other program available I
can use?
:x:
:x
:x
 
--
Steve Northover {uunet,ucbvax,dcdwest}!ucsd!nosc!pilikia!northo
Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election
by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.
        --G.B. Shaw
 
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Date: 29 May 91 05:24:00 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!i
 ra.uka.de!smurf!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Thomas_Quester@arizona.edu
 (Thomas Quester)
Subject: LHarc 1.13.21
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The Version 1.13.21 of LHarc is available. It is now able to decode
Archives from Unix, Webb and Strunk-Versions.
 
You'll get this version if you send me a disk, an envelope and staps. (If you
live out of germany, please select some nice stamps :-))
 
My address: Thomas Quester
            Lampenland 9
            2050 Hamburg 80
            Germany
 
MauTau V 2.2c - Internisten sind eingeweihte fuer Eingeweide.
(Net)
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 13:57:28 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
 isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!gmuvax2!crouland
 @arizona.edu (Mr. Fusion)
Subject: Mega-2 Developers System ForSale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
For Sale: Full Atari Mega-2 ST Developers System
 
     Hardware:
          Mega-2 CPU
          SupraDrive 30 Meg Drive (30 Meg in 20mg case)
          SC1224 Colour Monitor
          SM124  Monochrome Monitor
          Monitor Master
          Star NX-10 Printer
          Golden Image Hi-Res Mouse
          Navarrone ST Sound Digitizer
          IMG Scan Print-Head Optical Scanner
 
     Software:
          Prospero Developers Toolkit
          Prospero C
          Prospero Fortran
          Prospero Pascal
          Mark Williams C
          Neural Network Construction Set
          GFA Basic 3.0
          TimeWorks DTP
          TimeWorks SwiftCalc
          1ST Word Plus
          CAD 3D 2.0 w/ CyberMate and Architect Design Disk
          Flash
          Shadow
          Circuit Maker I
          Circuit Maker II
          Captain Fizz
          Chrono Quest
          The King of Chicago
          TV Sports Football
          Star Trek (The Rebel Universe)
          Red Storm Rising
          Large PD Library
 
     Books:
          STart Collection 1986-1991 w/ disks
          Introducing the Atari ST (Abacus, #1)
          Atari ST Internals (Abacus, #2)
          Atari ST Gem Programmers Reference (Abacus, #3)
          Atari ST Machine Language (Abacus, #4)
          Atari ST Tricks and Tips (Abacus, #5 (2 copies!))
          Atari ST Graphics and Sound (Abacus, #6)
          Atari ST Peeks and Pokes (Abacus, #8)
          Atari ST Basic to C (Abacus, #11)
          Atari ST 3D Graphics (Abacus, #12)
          ST Disk Drives: Inside and Out (Abacus, #13)
          Compute! ST series V1-3 (AES,VDI,TOS)
          Atari ST Applications Programming (Bantam)
          Programmers Guide to GEM (Sybex)
          C-Manship Complete (Clayton Walnum, ST Specific)
          Atari ST Developers Guides:
               GEM Programmers Guide V1. VDI
               GEM Programmers Guide V2. AES
               A Hitchhikers guide to the BIOS
               Engineering Hardware Specifications
               Rainbow TOS Release Notes
               MIDI Specifications 1.0
 
 
I would like to see $1500 for the entire system, primarily for the $$$K
I have spent in software.  I am sure it is unlikely that I will sell the
system to one person, so I will collect offers and repost a parting-out
sale once I have sold most of the components. Please email me at
"crouland@gmuvax2.gmu.edu"
 
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 18:14:43 GMT
From: crdgw1!gecrdvm1!syspmzt@uunet.uu.net
Subject: More than 4 Meg ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The implication I've heard is that I can only address 4 Meg with my 1040 STe.
I've already upgraded to that point with 4 1-Meg SIMMS, and am wondering if,
should memory prices drop in the future, I'll be able to expand with
4 2-Meg or 4 4-Meg SIMMS.
 
Is there an architectural restriction limiting a 1040 STe to addressing
4 Meg, and if so, what is that restriction?  Also, can anyone explain if and
why I must add symetric amounts of memory in the SIMM slots? (eg 4 1-Meg, not
1 1-Meg and 3 256K, etc.)
 
Thanks,
       Phil Z
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 13:48:17 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!
 cs.tu-berlin.de!gerloff@arizona.edu (Olaf Gerloff)
Subject: Neophyte question: what's Blitter?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May31.170349.15843@milton.u.washington.edu>,
 darkstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Alden Hackmann) writes:
|> We are the very new (3 days) owners of an Atari 1040 STe.
|> There is a toggle on the options menu for something called Blitter.
|> The little manual has no reference to it at all.  Can anyone enlighten
|> us as to the meaning of this option?
|>
|> Thank you very much
|>
|> Alden F.M. Hackmann
|> darkstar@milton.u.washington.edu
|>
|> "Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world."
 
The Blitter is a kind of coprocessor for graphics. If you move a window on
the screen or a dialog box will be drawn, then you must transfer a bit of
memory from on memory location to another. This on can faster be done from
the Blitter than from the 68000. The name stands for BitBlt chip. In the
ST is a Line-A Routine called BitBlt. If you switch on the Blitter entry in the
desktop, then this routine programms the Blitter. If you don't set that switch
the routine will emulate the function of the Blitter in software.
 
Greetings, Olaf
--
******************************************************************************
* Olaf Gerloff                     * Internet: GERLOFF@tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de *
* Technical University Berlin (FRG)*   or      gerloff@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de  *
* Department of Computer Science   * BITNET  : GERLOFF@DB0TUI11              *
* Computerbased Informationsystems * Usenet  : ...!mcsun!unido!opal!gerloff  *
******************************************************************************
*               Impossible things will be executed immediately,              *
*                       miracles take a little longer!                       *
******************************************************************************
 
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Date: 2 Jun 91 11:00:28 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!keele!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!elmar@uunet.uu.net (Mohammad A. Rahin)
Subject: Personal Pascal 2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Keywords:
 
In article <CMM.0.90.2.675783322.larserio@kvart.ifi.uio.no> larserio@ifi.uio.no
 writes:
>Personal Pascal 2 Question
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>I just read that HiSoft is going to drop Personal Pascal 2 and as
>a true Personal Pascal lover I wondered about some things that I
>think someone out on the net migth help with:
>
        [stuff deleted]
>
>I could ask HiSoft, but I won't switch to their new Pascal (to many
>programs to convert and to expensive to buy a whole new system..)
>
 
You read it right. They are now selling High Speed pascal, a product from
Denmark. This is introduced as compatible to Turbo Pascal 5.0 on the PC. Like
Turbo Pascal it allows compilation to memory as well as to disk. Compilation
speed is rated at about 20,000 lines per minute. The product comes with quite a
few precompiled units that allow easy porting of Turbo Pascal programs from the
PC to the ST platform. The price in UK for Version 1.1 is 99 pounds sterling
(most likely to include VAT, value added tax at 17.5%). There is a special
upgrade deal for the Personal Pascal users. Contact Hisoft or their dealer for
deatils.
All the above information are from Hisoft's brochure and I am no way connected
to Hisoft.
 
>Any help would be great !!!!
 
I hope the above information would be useful to you.
 
>
> Lars-Erik  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /   ____ ______ ________________________
>  Osterud  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /   /___    /            The norwegian ST
>__________/ ______________________/   ____/   /   Klubben,  user association
 
 
- Rahin
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 07:57:52 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: ST User Virus!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May31.130524.5964@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
(Roger Sheppard) writes:
>In article <3100@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>> You'll also find an illegal (very!) copy of NEOchrome on there too.
>> About now you'll all be saying "Why does this guy keep going on about
>> NEOchrome?". Well the answer is I would like it to be PD officially but
>> Atari seem disinterested.
>>
>
>I think you will find it is not a illegal copy, its a demo
>version, NEOchrome Version 0.5
 
It's not version 0.5 that is on the ST User disk.
It's a disassembled/decompiled version 1.0 that has been improved, rebuilt
and called version 2.10 by a hacking group called Chaos.
 
That's illegal because version 1.0 is not PD and so is taking a copyrighted
program apart.
 
Now if NEOchrome was made completely PD by Atari then I guess there would
be no problem.
 
>***  Roger W. Sheppard        *    Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
>***  85 Donovan Rd          *  *   At least I don't Flicker, not     ***
>***  Kapiti New Zealand..    *     like a dying light globe. !       ***
 
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! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own !
!                                                                            !
! Neil Forsyth                      JANET:  neil@uk.ac.hw.cs                 !
! Dept. of Computer Science         ARPA:   neil@cs.hw.ac.uk                 !
! Heriot-Watt University            UUCP:   ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil          !
! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK           "That was never 5 minutes!"              !
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Date: 3 Jun 91 19:46:22 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!rc
 te2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Unix for the TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
cmp8157@sys.uea.ac.uk (S.M. Sowerby) boldy writes in article
 <1249@sys.uea.ac.uk>
>s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto) writes:
>
>>Unix System V Release 4 is available for TT.  The package consists of
>>TT 030/8 or higher (16 Mb would be quite good), harddisk bigger than
>>200Mb (I'm not quite sure of this), X-Windows, TTM 194 19" MC-monitor
>>and a big bunch of software and manuals.
>>I don't know the exact price, but it is much lower than the NeXT Station,
>>and A 3000 & Unix SVR4.
 
Much lower than a NeXT?  What, are you talking about the NeXT Color
Workstation with 32bit color?
 
>>
>>Just checked, the harddisk is 200Mb, and there are also VME Ethernet network
>>card, OSF/Motif, and GNU package (with C, C++ etc.).
>>
>>My personal opinion is that you should get a harddisk of at least 400Mb and
>>minimum 16Mb of total RAM to run this Unix well enough (=fast enough).
>>
>>A friend of mine told me that his Unix workstation has a 1.2Gb hd and it is
>>just about enough... But it has it's own nntp package and mail handler.
>
>The information I have (from a UK magazine) is:
>
>Standard Unix-TT :  TT030/8-210 (i.e. 8Mb RAM,210Mb hard disk) with
>                   Unix 5.4, X-Windows (can't remember version no),
>                   OSF/Motif, GNU package, TTM-194 19" monitor.
>                     Price = $4000 US
 
I can get a NeXTstation (mono) here with a 106M HD, 2.88M Floppy, 19"
Mono (crisp) monitor, Mach OS, X-windows, AND ethernet for $3K with my
student discount.  Now, if Atari offered a student discount, then, your
claim that the TT is "much lower" than the NeXT might be valid...
 
[rest deleted]
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>Steve Sowerby,                                     (cmp8157@s1.uea.ac.uk)
>School of Information Systems,
>University of East Anglia,
 
Btw, I am die hard Atari... just I don't like people making statements
that are not supported very well...
 
 
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Date: 3 Jun 91 18:33:02 GMT
From: ogicse!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!gknauss@uunet.uu.net (G. "Maddog" Knauss)
Subject: WANTED: CAD 3-D 2.0 & Computer Eyes/Digispec formats
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Does anybody have a listing of the CAD 3-D file format?  (And I'm
still looking for the Computer Eyes 24-bit raw format, as well.)  I
looked at atari.archive, but couldn't find any information...  Any
help will get my first child named after you.
 
OK, OK.  I'm just kidding...
 
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Greg "Maddog" Knauss              "Aiee!"               gknauss@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
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Date: 3 Jun 91 13:24:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fa
 uern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!faui09!rdjeline@arizona.edu (Richard
 Jelinek)
Subject: What about comp.sys.atari.tt ????
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hugh !!!
 
 
I hate to look for TT-Articles in this Group as for Nuggets.
Although there is some thrill when I find one (both Nugget
and the holy TT letters), I would prefer an own group for
this Machine. Archimedes has one too and there are not so
many User ??!!
 
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