Info-Atari16 Digest         Sat, 20 Apr 91       Volume 91 : Issue 221
 
Today's Topics:
                         .SEQ Viewer (2 msgs)
                  Atari for Auction: Update (2 msgs)
                   Can GCC treat printer like file?
                               compress
                        Hard Disk "Gatekeeper"
                     LHA211 for Atari ? (2 msgs)
                     M-Tools, where to ftp from?
                 Megafile 60 noisy startup/ shutdown
           Okami Shell - NOT with VI, NO ARGV/xARG support!
           Professional Gem (again - Jeff Long please read)
                           screen dump prog
                      Spectre GCR and Mega STE?
                   Supra HD utilities..I need 'em!
                         Un-lharc-ing GCC139B
                     Using Revolver with TOS 1.6
            Wanted:  Phone # for MWC Support line (2 msgs)
           Which terminal emulator handles BREAK function?
                         Z*Net International
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 04:45:16 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs
 !alberta!herald.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!umochock@arizona.edu (Russell
 Ochocki)
Subject: .SEQ Viewer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've got a couple of graphic demos from atari.archive but they didn't come with
any program (or documentation suggesting a program) to view the file with.
 
It's a single .SEQ file.  Anyone know what I need to view it and where I can
download it from?
 
Thanks.
--
|
|  \/   Russell Ochocki, University of Manitoba
| _/\_  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada  (umochock@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
|
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 17:23:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ar
 izona.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: .SEQ Viewer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Apr19.044516.19416@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umochock@ccu.umanitoba.ca
 (Russell Ochocki) writes:
>I've got a couple of graphic demos from atari.archive but they didn't come with
>any program (or documentation suggesting a program) to view the file with.
>
>It's a single .SEQ file.  Anyone know what I need to view it and where I can
>download it from?
 
You need ANIMATE4 (or 3 if you can find it).  ANIMATE4 is at atari.archive;
in fact, it may still be in newitems.  I think the filename may be ANIMATE,
without the '4'.
 
Enjoy.
 
 
--
         Ed Krimen  ...............................................
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
   |||   INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu  FREENET: al661
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261        FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 23:17:18 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!olivea!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbar
 d!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!zebedee!geoffc@arizona.edu (Geoffrey Coan)
Subject: Atari for Auction: Update
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <409@platypus.uofs.edu> meo3@jaguar.ucs.uofs.edu
(OGRINZ MICHAEL E) writes:
(Sender was: news@platypus.uofs.edu)
> Path:
 zebedee!tharr!axion!ukc!mcsun!uunet!ukma!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde
 !zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!platypus!j
 aguar.ucs.uofs.edu
> Ok, here's the first update on the auction. I wasnt going to enter this
> so soon, but maybe it'll stop the flood of $5 bids to my account :)
>
 etc
 
This is not an attack on this sender per se, but on the people who send out
'please buy my xxxxx box' type articles in general.
 
Why, oh why, do people not realise that comp.sys.atari.st is an INTERNATIONAL
news forum and it is highly unlikely that people outside of their locality
will want to buy what they are offering.  In the UK we have a distribution of
'uk' to restrict where articles get sent to - I assume there are similar
country and county/state sized distributions in the rest of the world.
 
It's not too much to ask is it ... ?
 
Geoffrey
--
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are you ready to SKYDIVE ??                                       Geoffrey Coan
well all right then, if you say so ...        ..!ukc!axion!tharr!zebedee!geoffc
 
<- UUCP'd from my ST via tharr; *free* UK public access to Usenet 0234 720202 ->
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 15:59:16 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!emory!gatech!taco!tac
 o.cc!bcasper@arizona.edu (Brian Casper)
Subject: Atari for Auction: Update
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <2275044@zebedee%tharr.uucp> geoffc@zebedee%tharr.uucp
(Geoffrey Coan)
 
> Why, oh why, do people not realise that comp.sys.atari.st is an INTERNATIONAL
> news forum and it is highly unlikely that people outside of their locality
> will want to buy what they are offering.  In the UK we have a distribution of
> 'uk' to restrict where articles get sent to - I assume there are similar
> country and county/state sized distributions in the rest of the world.
 
I, an American, sold my PC-Ditto II to someone in Singapore - via this
wonderful INTERNATIONAL news forum.  He was the highest bidder, the shipping
was only slightly higher than it would have been within the US, and the sale
went flawlessly.
 
> It's not too much to ask is it ... ?
 
Yes.
 
--
Brian Casper
bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu
NCSU - Project EOS
(witty .sig pending)
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 20:08:01 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!t
 imothyg@arizona.edu (Timothy Gallivan)
Subject: Can GCC treat printer like file?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi, here is a question for a real C guru.
 
Does anyone know if gcc can treat the printer like a file? That is,
obtain a file descriptor for the printer (fd=fopen(stdprn,..), or
something like that), and then write to it using fwrite(...,fd) or
putc(fd). I am aware of the TOS print routines, but I am trying to
port some MSDOS code which treats the printer like a file. The port
will be easier if I cam mimic this in gcc.
 
-Tim Gallivan
National Center for Supercomputing Applications
University of Illinois
timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 91 14:59 GMT +2
From: MIRO%MVSRCE%yubgef51@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: compress
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 Does aneyone know something about Hard Disk Compress software (public
domain will be great)?
 
Thanks!
Miroslav Milinovic
miro%mvsrce@yubgef51.bitnet
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 20:30:11 GMT
From: athena.arc.nasa.gov!glennd@icarus.riacs.edu (Glenn Deardorff - GDP)
Subject: Hard Disk "Gatekeeper"
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've heard of a utility that warns you about unauthorized access
attempts to your hard disk (like with viruses, etc.).  Does anyone know
what this is called and if its in the Atari archive sites?
                                                Thanks,  Glenn
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 12:06:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fa
 uern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod)
Subject: LHA211 for Atari ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
cae@sdfvm1.vnet.ibm.com ("Cornelius Caesar") writes:
 
>For about a month now LHA v.2.11 (the successor to LHarc 1.13c) is available
>as both .EXE and source code for MS-DOS.
 
Do you know where to ftp it?
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,                  Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, West Germany            (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 19 Apr 91 15:12:23 GMT
From: sdfvm1.vnet.ibm.com!cae@ucbvax.berkeley.edu ("Cornelius Caesar")
Subject: LHA211 for Atari ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes:
>cae@sdfvm1.vnet.ibm.com ("Cornelius Caesar") writes:
>>For about a month now LHA v.2.11 (the successor to LHarc 1.13c) is available
>>as both .EXE and source code for MS-DOS.
>
>Do you know where to ftp it?
 
I got my copy from aixpsb.rrz.uni-koeln.de (134.95.128.215), directory
/msdos/arcutils/lharc, exe as: lha211e.zip, src as: lha211sr.zip.
 
You can get a complete (?) list of available archives by using
archie@cs.mcgill.ca; this is an 'archive-archive' (mail based and
interactive server). Send mail with a line
      prog lha2
and it sends back all findings (available anonymous ftp files) containing
this string from its database. aixpsb is listed, too.
It seems to not contain atari.archive, though.
 
   Cornelius                                    cae@sdfvm1.vnet.ibm.com
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 14:20:02 GMT
From: lanai!bcc@uunet.uu.net (Brian Cooper)
Subject: M-Tools, where to ftp from?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <kTTk12w164w@ersys.uucp> ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca (Michel
 Forget) writes:
>> The canonical version of Mtools is indeed posted at the .mil site mentioned
>> in recent postings, but when I tried to FTP it (it is a 4-part set) one of
>> the parts absolutely refused to transfer completely.  It invariably truncated
>> every time I copied it.  I finally got a good copy at inria.inria.fr.  The
>> version I located is v2.0, and has support for CD, FORMAT, LABEL, and ATTRIB,
>> plus a mkmanifest tool to assist in restoring unix file names that get lost
>> in the translation to DOS file names.
>
>
>What is M-Tools, exactly?  I haven't heard of it before, so I'm curious.
>It it a HD Utility, or is it some form of CLI?  Thanks for the
>information (I hope).
 
Mtools does not run on an ST -- at least it has no reason to.  It is a set of
utilities to assist cross-developers on non-DOS/non-TOS machines.  Originally,
it was created to allow someone on a Sun read/write IBM floppy disks.  Since
TOS is compatible with the IBM format, a Unix-noid can use it to download
favorite comp.binaries.atari.st stuff from the network directly to disk.
Another possibility is to run the Sozobon compiler on the Unix machine,
create binaries for TOS and write them to the floppy disk directly with
Mtools.  The process avoids Kermit and the other messy serial protocols.  The
code is easily ported to other hosts, as long as you have some way of reading
a 512-byte sector from the raw disk.  We have Emmet P. Gray to thank for this;
I only use them.
Brian Cooper.
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 12:05:13 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu
 (Claus Brod)
Subject: Megafile 60 noisy startup/ shutdown
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
geert@ahds.UUCP (Geert W.T. Jonkheer CCS/TS) writes:
 
>When I start up or shut down my megafile 60 it always makes and has
>made a cracking/ noisy sound. After it has startup it doesn't make
>this sound no longer, and works just fine.
 
The sound is from autoparking the heads during shutdown and releasing
them during startup. Perfectly normal.
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,                  Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, West Germany            (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 19 Apr 91 15:32:37 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcsp
 e!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: Okami Shell - NOT with VI, NO ARGV/xARG support!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
It seems the Okami shell, while supporting:
 
$ ls >tmp          1. I/O redirection (create AND append modes)
$ ls | grep Z      2. Piping
$ man `which x`    3. Command substitution
 
Does NOT support ARGV and xARG parameters!
 
Please, would the Author of Okami add this,
or (better) would the Authors of Mupfel add Piping & Cmd Subst.
 
Warwick.
--
  _--_|\        warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /      *  <--  Computer Science Department,
 \_.--._/       University of Queensland,
       v        AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 18 Apr 91 13:10:58 GMT
From:
 bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!rmacgreg@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
 (Sorcerer)
Subject: Professional Gem (again - Jeff Long please read)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
First of all, could Capt Jeff Long (longj at cassiopeia.radc.af.mil) please
either post the articles he mailed me (14, 15 and 16) or mail them to me as
they are all truncated (the .sig is there, but the articles are missing stuff
at the end).
 
Secondly.  I'm going to start posting the series as of Monday.  I'll do it as
follows:  2 articles a day from Monday to Thursday (though I may not get any
posted on Wednesdays as I'm not always in).
 
       The Sorcerer is 'Only visiting this planet' but can be found at:
 
             JANET: cadx862 @uk.ac.strathclyde.computer-centre-sun
                    rmacgreg@uk.ac.strathclyde.computer-science
  INTERNET: via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    BITNET: via ukacrl    UUCP: via ukc.uucp
 
          or second star to the right and straight on 'till morning.
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 18:25:12 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!ogicse!milton!alexd@a
 rizona.edu (Alex Danilchik)
Subject: screen dump prog
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have been looking in several ftp archives for
"screen24.prg".. at least this is the name given
to me by the author of the program  "Band in a Box"..
This program uses the screen dump routine to print
lead sheets (music).  Anybody know where i can find it?
 
Thanks for the help..
 
gunnar
alexd@milton.u.washington.edu
 
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Date: 17 Apr 91 14:46:25 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!olivea!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbar
 d!sunic!mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!root44!praxis!eric@arizona.edu (Eric Nelson)
Subject: Spectre GCR and Mega STE?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am thinking about treating myself to a Mega STE but before I sell my
trusty STE and hard disc I want to know if anyone has used Spectre GCR
with the new Mega (after a bad experience with my first STE and Spectre,
I have become a bit wary).
 
So has anyone used this combination?
 
Similarly is anyone using one of the PC emulators with a Mega STE?
 
And while Ive got your attention, what do users of the new Mega range
think of them? Good points, bad points? Incompatibility problems over and
above the vanilla STE?
 
Thanks for any info. I will summarise to the net if appropriate.
 
Eric.
 
P.S. If I go ahead with this, it will be my 6th ST computer in nearly as many
years. Will I never learn? :-)
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 17:52:48 GMT
From: quasi-eli!cs.yale.edu!fischer-michael@yale.arpa (Michael Fischer)
Subject: Supra HD utilities..I need 'em!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Apr16.234953.4088@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
 reyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>I think my problem is that I need a copy of the utilities
>that go with the hard drive (i.e. Supra's utilities).  But
>neither my friend nor I have them.  (is this assumption
>correct?  i.e., I can't use non-Supra utilities on a Supra
>drive?  I tried HDX and no-go.)
 
You should be able to use any utilities, including HDX.  However, you
will have to tell HDX the parameters of the drive (#heads, cylinders,
sectors, etc.) in order to format the drive properly.  Since you've
upgraded the drive by replacing the mechanism, even the Supra
utilities might not work for you.  They know about the mechanisms that
Supra uses but not necessarily about the one you put in.
 
Have you tried calling Supra for a copy of the utilities?  They might
be willing to send them to you if you can furnish them with a serial
number.
 
--
==================================================
| Michael Fischer <fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu>  |
==================================================
 
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 91 16:57:58 MET
From: Bruno BARSELLA <BARSELLA@ICNUCEVM.CNUCE.CNR.IT>
Subject: Un-lharc-ing GCC139B
To: Info Atari16 Digest <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
    Curiously, after having LHARC stopped after gcc-cc1 and the recently
    posted lzh1131X answering -- no file! --, I brought GCC139B at home
    and de-lharc-ed it with LHARC on IBM-PC. Everything went well and
    I brought again the files to my ST in the Physics Dept zipped with
    PKZIP on the PC and unzipped it with UNZIP. I have not tried the
    binaries so I cannot say that everything is ok but, in any case,
    I must say that lharc seems a more stable program in the PC world
    that in the ST.
 
 
Bruno BARSELLA - Astronomy and Astrophysics Section
                 Department of Physics - University of PISA
                 Piazza Torricelli, 2 --- 56100 PISA ITALY
       BITNET addresses :  BARSELLA at ICNUCEVM.CNUCE.CNR.IT
                           BARSELLA at IPIFIDPT.DIFI.UNIPI.IT
       Phone #          : +39 - 50 - 43343 or 44181
       Fax   #          : +39 - 50 - 48277
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 07:54:13 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!tahoe!the_pawn@arizona.edu
 (brian takemoto )
Subject: Using Revolver with TOS 1.6
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have a friend who has just upgraded to a 1040STE with four megs
and uses it almost exclusively for MIDI.  He also used Revolver
1.1 by Intersect to switch between the Midi Editing Software and
the Librarian for his keyboard (while he was using a 1040 ST), but
since he's upgraded to the STE, Revolver hasn't worked.  Does anyone
out there know if there's a newer version of Revolver (v 1.1) that
works with the STE?  If not, is there a version of Juggler (assuming
that it generally does the same thing) that will work as well with
TOS 1.6?
 
I've heard somewhere that Revolver didn't work with TOS 1.4, however,
I HAVE seen revolver work with TOS 1.4...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
the_pawn@tahoe.unr.edu  (or ?)  ucbvax.berkley.edu!tahoe.unr.edu!the_pawn
#include <signature.h>  /* unfriendly control codes with ascii self portrate */
Anything that can go wrona@x3%se  Pnews:  segmentation violation.  core dumped.
 
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Date: 18 Apr 91 12:18:46 GMT
From: hpcc05!hpbbn!hpgnd!laurent@hplabs.hp.com (Laurent JULLIARD)
Subject: Wanted:  Phone # for MWC Support line
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
My understanding is that the Mark Williams Company is now closed !
 
So I can hardly imagine you find any support line.
 
Best regards,
Laurent JULLIARD
(laurent@hpgnzeus.grenoble.hp.com)
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 21:58:30 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
 @arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Wanted:  Phone # for MWC Support line
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <1400001@hpgnd.grenoble.hp.com>,
     laurent@hpgnd.grenoble.hp.com (Laurent JULLIARD) writes ... ]
 
> My understanding is that the Mark Williams Company is now closed !
>
> So I can hardly imagine you find any support line.
 
I think that might come as a surprise to Mark Williams Co.
They're doing a land-office business* selling Coherent, a small
Unix-like operating system for the IBM-PC and clones.
 
They may have kissed off the Atari market, though.
 
Other companies have not done so. In fact, I understand there's a new
SAS C compiler for the ST -- the latest version of Aladdin was compiled
with it.
 
--
 *``Land-office business'' is an American idiom having to do with the rush
  to claim land for homesteading in the old West.
 
 ----
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 10:10:07 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!math
 .fu-berlin.de!unidui!unido!laura!tommy!klute@arizona.edu (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Which terminal emulator handles BREAK function?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <9104181825.AA25212@ludwig.sharebase.com>,
glenn@ludwig.sharebase.com (Glenn Linderman) writes:
|> I want to use my Atari 1040 ST TOS 1.4 to connect to a remote SUN which
|> is
|> set up using a terminal handler that doesn't recognize the modem's
|> declaration
|> of the connect speed.  Hence, it is a requirement that the terminal
|> emulator
|> that is used be capable of sending a BREAK function in order to tell
|> the
|> remote SUN to switch speeds.
 
Uniterm.
 
--
  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
  Univ. Dortmund, IRB             klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
  Postfach 500500         |)|/    Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-4600 Dortmund 50        |\|\    Fax : +49 231 755-2386
 
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Date: 17 Apr 91 13:57:27 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!olivea!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hag
 bard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mathew@arizona.edu (mathew)
Subject: Z*Net International
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
msymiste@cucstud.UUCP (Milton Symister) writes:
>       Its very nice that ZNET is available in a number of different places
>       but I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that do not have access
>       to it or else their sources can sometimes be unreliable( its happend
>       to me).
 
Is there anyone who can read news but cannot receive Email?
 
>               And besides ONE message a week... ok ONE LONG message a week
>       is not going to waste bandwith. Its going to help people and if
>       you already get ZNET just press 'n'.
 
How about the time our modem spends downloading it?  Modems can't just press
'n'.
 
 
mathew
 
--
If you're a John Foxx fan, please mail me!
 
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