Info-Atari16 Digest         Sun,  8 Sep 91       Volume 91 : Issue 473
 
Today's Topics:
                       128K Mac ROMs for sale!
                      Another weekly post by DCS
                        COMPATABILITY (2 msgs)
                   English Docs For Turbo Assembler
                       GEMDOS and AES questions
                             Gemini/Fonts
                 Help!  Strange Hard drive problems.
                            Internal Clock
                               letemfly
                 Looking for term program... (2 msgs)
                     monochrome adventures wanted
           Recent KA9q or other slfp tcp/ip wanted (2 msgs)
                              subscribe
                      Triangle Hard Disk Problem
                      Where Okami English Docs?
                       Yet Another Dead Mouse!
 
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Date: 8 Sep 91 21:15:46 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!chuck@purdue.edu (Chuck
 Rickard)
Subject: 128K Mac ROMs for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I have a few sets of 128K Mac ROMs that I am selling for $175
        each set.  These work great in your Spectre 128/GCR carts!
        If interested, please contact me at the address below.
 
 
Thanks!
 
--
 
Chuck Rickard
(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
 
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Date: 7 Sep 91 15:28:39 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!opal!ripley@uunet.uu.net (Hans-Ch. Eckert)
Subject: Another weekly post by DCS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep7.021950.9747@menudo.uh.edu> uace0@menudo.uh.edu (ATARI
 Computer Enthusiasts) writes:
 
   DC Drop DTR will drop the computer's RS232 DTR line for one second,
   then reassert the line.  This should hangup any modem which is
   connected.  Program suggested by James Faircloth.
 
Well, that definately depends on the Modem's settings.
 
Mine is configured to go into command-mode w/o hanging up, just
as I prefer.  I hate it having to redial, only because some
programm hung up the machine.
 
Greetings,
                                RIPLEY
--
Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30    | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP)
Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/
 
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Date: 7 Sep 91 12:39:59 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
 pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: COMPATABILITY
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep7.001424.11117@colorado.edu> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU
 JEFFREY) writes:
> In article <1991Sep06.104427.566@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz
 (Roger Sheppard) writes:
> >In article <1991Sep5.194408.9402@colorado.edu> chuj@horton.colorado.edu (CHU
 JEFFREY) writes:
> >
> >From what I have read the Best is a NEC 3D, most of the otheres you
> >have to adjust them when to go from Colour to Mono, also have a look at
> >the Dot Pitch, go for one thats 0.28 mm
>
> I would love to purchase the NEC 3D, but the monitor is $550.00, I just don't
> wish to spend that much on a monitor that is interlaced at 1024x768.
> I wonder what would .28mm do? the SONY 1304 HG is .25mm, if it only works
> with a simple adjustment, I wouldn't mind as much, but just needed to know
> if it is going to run with it.
> TO HOWARD CHU, didn't you have a Panasync 1391?  Did this monitor work
> for both modes? (.31 mm I believe.)
>>                                      Thanks,
>                                       Jeff
 
Well if the Dot pitch is better than 0.28 it could be OK in mono mode.
 
Don't forget a lot of MutiScan type Monitors will not work down to
the ST Colour mode as these are mainly VGA type monitors.
 
  I seen a lot of chaps complaining about the poor results of a lot
of MutiSync monitors in the Mono Mode, not as sharp, and the need to
fiddle each time when changing to mono.
 
  From what I have read you can have Sync problem with Sony monitors,
but they can be fixed and the Acer was one of the worse for mono use.
 
  With the NEC 3D you can store your mono settings , so the next time you
use it in mono mode there will be no adjustments, also all of the
users of this monitor seem to rave about it when used with a ST..
 
  I use a cheap TVM 11, I have to udjust the sceen each time, and it has
only a 0.31 mm dot pitch, not that great for a lot of mono use..
 
 
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 8 Sep 91 19:32:46 GMT
From: amdcad!netcomsv!seitz@sun.com (Matthew Seitz)
Subject: COMPATABILITY
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've been very happy with my Acer 7015 Multiscan and the IB Computers
Multi-Switch.  It took me very little time (< 30 minutes) to set the monitor
up so it looks fine in color and monochrome.  The mono is not as sharp as the
SM124, but definitely good enough for me.
--
                                        Matthew Seitz
                                        seitz@netcom.com
 
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Date: 4 Sep 91 00:00:00 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!unido!urmel!rwthinf!tornado!bara!wr@uunet.uu.net
 (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: English Docs For Turbo Assembler
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep1.093923.1188@ac.dal.ca> cordes@ac.dal.ca  writes:
 
> Markus_Fritz@hh2.maus.de.  Can someone check if this is accurate
 
Try:
        Markus_Fritze@hh2.maus.de
                    ~
--
 
Bis dann, wa...
\/\/olfram
 

Wolfram Roesler                 Augustastr. 44-46       W-5100 Aachen
Voice: +49 (241) 534596 
 
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Date: 5 Sep 91 22:45:00 GMT
From:
 math.fu-berlin.de!fub!dobag.in-berlin.de!nicedel!artcom0!hb.maus.de!m.maus.de!M
 artin_Gaeckler@uunet.uu.net (Martin Gaeckler)
Subject: GEMDOS and AES questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi Annius,
 
Here are some answers:
 
>  It seems to me that all OTHER text editors load files about
>  twice as fast as my program. I use one straight Fread(). Do
 
1. The fastest way loading a file is a straight forward Fread. You also might
   use Bios-calls to load a file *BUT* then you have to care about the file
   system and your program will fail if there is another file system instal-
   led (e.g. Network). Perhaps Your disk ist verey heavily fragmentated, this
   increases the time to load a file very seriously.
 
>  Does the ATARI AES send ANY WM_NEWTOP messages? I never seem to
 
2. The WM_NEWTOP message is sent to your program when *YOUR* window is new
   toped. You won't get a message when another window is opened or topped.
   Therefore you have to wait for a time event an look whether *YOUR* window
   is top or not.
 
Hope this helps.
 
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Date: 7 Sep 91 17:35:13 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!fuhainf!fuhainf2.fernuni-hagen.de!wessel@uunet.uu.net (Horst
 Wessel)
Subject: Gemini/Fonts
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Robert J Anisko) writes:
>
>   Okay, you are saying that Gemini can only use Monospaced fonts.
> Now how can I tell the difference...
>
>                                       Robert Anisko
>                                       rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu
 
There is a Bit in the Fontheader, telling VDI, that a Font is
Monospaced.
 It is Bit 3 in Byte 66-67 from start:
 
Byte Number   Description:
 
66-67         flags
 
                Bit 0 set if default system font
                Bit 1 set if hor. offset tables used
                Bit 2 byte-swap flag
                Bit 3 set if mono-spaced font.
 
On a monospaced Font, all Characters are equal extent and there is no pointer
to character offset table.
 
Horst.
 
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Date: 8 Sep 91 12:28:33 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.c
 a!silvert@arizona.edu (Bill Silvert)
Subject: Help!  Strange Hard drive problems.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've just started having wierd hard-drive problems and am hoping that
someone can help me diagnose them.  These are the symptoms:
 
* I try to open a directory and it shows as empty.
 
* I try to copy a directory structure from floppy to hard drive and the
  copy stops after creating an empty directory.
 
* On simple operations like copying or creating new folders I get an
  out-of-memory alert box.
 
* I try to delete a file that appears in an open window but get an error
  message that the file doesn't exist.
 
* Simple file operations sometimes cause a reboot.
 
All of these problems can be temporarily cleared by rebooting.
 
The system is a Mega-2 with TOS 1.2 and an 85-Meg Quantum hard drive
from Supra.  The problems started just after I installed and ran Flash 1.6,
but I have no idea how that could be the source of the problems.  The
problems first showed up when I was copying software from floppies onto
my hard drive (I bought Flash and Cyber-Studio and was installing them).
 
Any ideas?  I don't know whether to reformat, repair the HD, check
system memory, or whatever -- and there is no knowledgible local dealer.
--
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca
 
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Date: 7 Sep 91 12:16:04 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
 pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Internal Clock
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <67@oasis.icl.co.uk> jas@oasis.icl.co.uk (Jason Morris) writes:
>
>   Can anyone recommend a good internal clock for an STe? I've seen the
 external
> Forget-Me-Clock II which is quite nice, but I'd prefer something a little less
> intrusive.
>   Any opinions/ideas gratefully accepted, and prices (pref.UK) would be
> appreciated.
>
>   Thanks in advance,
>       Jason Morris.
 
Well I would like to get one of those Datel , Key Board ones, 24 Pounds,
at least that don't use up the Cartridge Port and can be used when you are not
runing your hard drive, Plus they don't need software to drive it..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 4 Sep 91 00:07:12 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!urmel!rwthinf!tornado!bara!wr@uunet.uu.net (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: letemfly
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <LAHTINEN.91Sep2110146@gideon.gideon.fmi.fi>
 lahtinen@gideon.gideon.fmi.fi
(Kimmo Lahtinen) writes:
(Sender was: usenet@nic.funet.fi)
 
(about LetEmFly)
> I tried to use this program, and it is very nice. The problem is that
> it does not work very long before it goes hanky panky. I have not have
> time to test is there an ACC which it did't like or what.
>
> Have someone tried this program?
 
I did. It works *great*, it's really an ingenious piece of software.
No, I don't have any problems with it, and never had.
You really should check your auto folder prgs and accs for collision,
and maybe send an email to the author if you found something.
The docs may give you a Maus net adress, it's easy to convert to Usenet:
 
        Adam Atari @ ABC
 
becomes
 
        Adam_Atari@abc.maus.de
 
Simply write an underscore between 1st and 2nd name and add '.maus.de' after
the city code. This should help with many german programs since the Maus
net is the most popular net in Germany.
--
Bis dann, wa...
\/\/olfram
 

Wolfram Roesler                 Augustastr. 44-46       W-5100 Aachen
Voice: +49 (241) 534596 
 
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Date: 8 Sep 91 10:13:51 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Rog
 er.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep7.054831.9958@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
> In article <30955@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>,
 EINSTEIN%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes:
> >Hello out in ST-netland!  I own a 1040 ST, and just purchased a modem, but I
> >don't have any term software.  Can anyone
> >
> >a) tell me what kind of commercial software is the best, or
> >b) tell me an ftp site where I can obtain some software.
> >
>
> The most powerful package is Uniterm, available free from
> atari.archive.umich.edu.  The easiest to use is Flash 1.6, from Antic (
> I use both.  There is also STalker, which has seen some good reviews here on
> the net (I have not seen/used this one).  I really like the user interface
> that Flash provides, but it does not include Kermit.  For those occasions
> when I need this capability, I use Uniterm.
>>              Mickey R. Boyd          |  "Kirk to Enterprise.  All clear
>           FSU Computer Science       |      down here.  Beam down
>         Technical Support Group      |      yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
>        email:  boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu    |
>     ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 
Antic use to advertise a Kermit Option for Flash, but I don't know
if its posible to still get it ..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 8 Sep 91 18:18:50 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-stat
 e.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!at731@arizona.edu (Troy L.
 Nothnagel)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In a previous article, Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) says:
>Antic use to advertise a Kermit Option for Flash, but I don't know
>if its posible to still get it ..
 
Using Flash's 'execute' function, you can run any .TOS, .TTP or .PRG
that isn't mouse driven.  (For some reason it likes to block out the
mouse.)  Anyway, it is very easy to use with external protocols.  For
example, I have a macro setup that will auto-zmodem to a download folder
on my H:\ partition.
 
 
--
Troy L. Nothnagel
at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
"And for a gorilla, his English wasn't half bad." - Den of Earth
"No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!" - Guard, MP&tHG
 
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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 91 16:19:58 MEZ
From: Wolfgang Ley <BWWL%DCZTU1.BITNET@YALEVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
Subject: monochrome adventures wanted
To: Atari ST users forum <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
Hi ppl,
 
i am a great fan of adventures. Is there someone out, who has good
PD-monochrome-adventures? I would like to get/change some prgs.
Please send replies to my address, not to the list.
Thanks,bye
  Wolfgang.
 
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     Wolfgang Ley                e-mail:
     Teichstrasse 9              from BITNET  : BWWL@DCZTU1.BITNET
3392 Clausthal-Zellerfeld        from Internet: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de
     Tel. 05323/82132 (voice)               or  BWWL@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de
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Date: 7 Sep 91 01:04:22 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!wsu-cs!wsu-eng.eng.w
 ayne.edu!soderg@arizona.edu (Jason Sodergren)
Subject: Recent KA9q or other slfp tcp/ip wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have a ver. of ka9q that supports slfp from '87; does anyone know of
a more recent ver. of ka9q or other tcp/ip software for the ST that
supports slfp?
 
-jason sodergren, soderg@ss0.eng.wayne.edu
.sig.sig.sig
 
 
 
--
/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
|   soderg@ss0.eng.wayne.edu (Jason Sodergren) voice:313-972-5932          |
|   'word falling- photo falling- calling partisans of all nations-        |
\____breakthrough in grey room - towers, open fire' -w.s.burroughs________/
 
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Date: 8 Sep 91 21:18:55 GMT
From: mtu.edu!mjo@uunet.uu.net (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Recent KA9q or other slfp tcp/ip wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep7.010422.10461@cs.wayne.edu>
soderg@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Jason Sodergren) writes:
 
:I have a ver. of ka9q that supports slfp from '87; does anyone know of
:a more recent ver. of ka9q or other tcp/ip software for the ST that
:supports slfp?
 
Along with a lot of ST stuff, a newer version of KA9Q can be found at
atari.archive.umich.edu for anonymous ftp.
 
If you're calling using the Merit network, note that you can use the
PPP protocol rather than SLFP and get a significant speed increase due
to the header compression of PPP.
 
 
 
 
 Mike O'Connor                       | "THE END IS NIGH"
 NIC Database:  MJO17                |
 Internet:  mjo@mtu.edu              | -The Watchmen
 UUCP:  ...!ttardis!mjo              |
 
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1991 12:38 EDT
From: Licensed to Pull <CSCON105@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
Subject: subscribe
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
subscribe
 
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Date: 7 Sep 91 23:28:38 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!elmar@uunet.uu.net (Mohammad A. Rahin)
Subject: Triangle Hard Disk Problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This article though distributed worldwide is primarily for the UK readers.
Apology to those who are offended/annoyed.
 
My friend bought a used Mega 2 that came with a mono monitor & a Triangle 40
MB Soft Innovation Hard disk. This is a autobooting type harddisk. On bootup
the following sign-on messages appear.
 
                Traingle turbo drive PCML Ltd.
                Ver 1.2Er Room Boot RGH 12/9/88.
 
                                            * (This is a British made product)
 
The drive works ok in ST mode. Next, my friend tried to install Spectre/128
system (V 1.9 Copyright 1988)that he bought quite long time when it was first
introduced in the UK. He made five partitions. The first three are ST & the rest
2 are Spectre partitions. However, the Spectre program fails to recognise the
hard disk & could not find any partitions at all. The main problem we have is
that we could not find any manual for the hard rive. However, the diskutility
programs are there.
 
The Harddisk utility & also a read.me file says that the drive is set at SCSI
physical device no 7. Under Spectre we tried all possible SCSI device nos. with
no result.
 
We seek help. If any reader of this newsgroup have any experience with this
hard drive or this particular problem, please send e-mail to
 
        Y.C.Wong@uk.ac.lut              -> from within UK.
        Y.C.Wong@lut.ac.uk              -> from outside UK.
 
- Rahin
 
 
N.B. What is the latest version of the Spectre software that goes with
Spectre/128 ?
 
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Date: 7 Sep 91 01:41:20 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!urmel!rwthinf!tornado!bara!wr@uunet.uu.net (Wolfram Roesler)
Subject: Where Okami English Docs?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <35668@hydra.gatech.EDU> iadt3tb@prism.gatech.EDU
(T. Terrell Banks) writes:
 
>  I want to use the Okami shell for a while.  I can't figure out from
> guessing at the German documentation and the English help file how to
> establish an alias.  The format that I use on the unix boxes at work
> doesn't seem to work.
>  Therefore:   1.  Did the English documentation for Okami ever get
>                   created?  If so, where can I find it;  I've missed
>                   it if this got mentioned on the network.
>               2.  Can I set up an alias in the Okami shell?  If so,
>                   how?
 
Hi,
 
I have begun writing an English documentation but I haven't completed
it yet. It's just too much... there is a doc file explaining some
principal stuff like setting up, variables, functions and some commands.
If you're interested, send me a mail.
The problem about aliases is that Okami resembles the Bourne Shell
which does not have an alias system like the C shell. So, in Okami
you must simulate an alias by an appropriate shell function. If, say,
you want lc to become an alias for "ls -C", type
 
        lc()
        {
          !ls -C $*
        }
 
This can be done by the build-in alias command which does just the same
thing, so you could as well say:
 
        alias lc ls -C
 
When redefining internal commands be sure to use the "!":
 
        alias ls ls -C
 
will recurse infinitely (since the shell function always calls itself),
 
        alias ls !ls -C
 
will do the job (!ls always calls the internal ls regardless of shell
functions).
Remember that the alias command simply initialises a simple shell function
and has nothing to do with the csh alias.
 
If you wish to arrange a name for an executable file not on the PATH,
better use the hash command, so:
 
        hash nn c:/uucp/bin/nn.prg
 
will call c:/uucp/bin/nn.prg whenever nn is typed, even if c:/uucp/bin
is not in the PATH. This has (almost) the same effect as
 
        alias nn c:/uucp/bin/nn.prg
 
but runs faster (since no shell function needs to be called).
 
By the way, the next Okami version will be out soon, having a real line
editor (hooray) and being compiled with TurboC, so the ttp is 40 KB
shorter.
--
Bis dann, wa...
\/\/olfram
 

Wolfram Roesler                 Augustastr. 44-46       W-5100 Aachen
Voice: +49 (241) 534596 
 
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Date: 7 Sep 91 22:53:26 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!fub!lime.in-berlin.de!techno@uunet.uu.net (Techno)
Subject: Yet Another Dead Mouse!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
mingliu@athena.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu) writes:
 
[...]
 
>Anyway, the point of this post is that I am fed up with Atari-made mouse
>and am looking any suggestions on other third-party mouse.
 
>Many thanx in advance.
 
Try Logitech's Pilot Mouse. Works great.
 
                  Techno
--
| techno@zelator.in-berlin.de ||| Please do not e-mail from outside Germany ! |
| techno@lime.in-berlin.de   / | \ Hardcore ST user !  ====================== |
| Nothing that's real is ever for free, you just have to pay for it sometime. |
|                                        (Al Stewart)                         |
 
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