Info-Atari16 Digest         Sun, 15 Sep 91       Volume 91 : Issue 483
 
Today's Topics:
          Can I convert a supra 20m hd to something bigger?
                         C compiler for sale
                           EXPRESS (2 msgs)
                         Gemini 1.2 (2 msgs)
                    Help: MiNT and remote logins.
                     Looking for term program...
          Software For Sale (MW C, Fontz, Hyperfont, TW DTP)
                     Super Charger 286? (4 msgs)
                         Wanted:  Trip-a-tron
                     Weekly Posting of New Stuff
         Why is fscanf function of Mark Williams "C" so slow?
                            Word Processor
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 05:48:44 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!bmaraldo@ariz
 ona.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Can I convert a supra 20m hd to something bigger?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I have a Supra 20 meg hard disk that I've had since 1985.  I want
to know if i can simply plug another bigger hard disk into it?  If not,
is there some way to modify the controller board so that I can?
 
Brett Maraldo
 
 
--
               --------     Unit 36 Research     ---------
                        "Alien Technology Today"
                      bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
                   {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo
 
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Date: 13 Sep 91 20:34:53 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!male!thepond!wright
 @arizona.edu (Bruce Wright)
Subject: C compiler for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        FOR SALE:
 
        LASER-C                 $125.00
        C development system
        y Megamax Inc.
 
        Micro-C shell           $ 15.00
        by Beckmyer Development Tools
 
If you are intersted, make me an offer...I just might take it.
I will pay the shipping if both are purchased.
 
 
Bruce Wright
Sr. Manufacturing Engineer
Corporate Logistics Technical Services
MIL21-314       (408) 922-5054
 
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Date: 13 Sep 91 20:04:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
 @arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: EXPRESS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <684737480.0@fquest.FidoNet>,
     Mark.Spacek@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Mark Spacek) writes ... ]
 
 >    A local ST board is looking at the possibility of imported, and maybe
 > exporting messages from(/to maybe) a couple of Usenet newsgroups.  I was just
 > wondering if anyone out there might be doing it already and be able to offer
 > some helpful suggestions.  Or any advice on the subject.  We have an old copy
 > of the Mailtruk source we are looking at now.  Any help/advice would be
 > appreciated.  Oh, I guess I forgot to mention that the BBS is running
 Express!
 > ST and I think we can manage a feed, we just need to get the software patched
 > in...  Thanks in advance for any help.....
 
Some STadel BBS sites have been doing this for years using STadel's (free)
UUCP-related software.
 
Usenet over UUCP works like this:
 
UUCP copies two files to the destination machine. One is a data file
containing either a message or a batch of messages. The other is a
command file that is interpreted by a remote-execution facility at the
destination site. The command to process Usenet news is ``rnews.'' The
accompanying message or batch file is processed by rnews and stored,
forwarded, vaporized, or whatever is appropriate.
 
I'm not aware of any software to convert Usenet messages to whatever
proprietary format Express uses. If you want to write your own
rnews-equivalent, you can start with the Internet RFC documents that
describe the standard format of Usenet news messages. The format is fairly
simple and involves only plain text. (The Express side you'll have to
figure out for yourself.)
 
Internet RFCs are available by anonymous FTP from nic.ddn.mil or by
email from various mail servers; I think the last time I fetched such
data, I got it from info@sh.cs.net. Try sending a message containing the
word ``help.''
 
----
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota (USA)
 steve@thelake.mn.org
 Member, Burned Out Newspapercreatures Guild
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 00:47:16 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-b
 c!jonh!jhenders@arizona.edu (John Henders)
Subject: EXPRESS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <A2023495469@thelake.mn.org>, Steve Yelvington writes:
>
>Some STadel BBS sites have been doing this for years using STadel's (free)
>UUCP-related software.
>
>Usenet over UUCP works like this:
>
        < How UUCP works deleted. >
 
        You could also use the Mercury UUCP distrbuted last year on
comp.sources.a.st. The easiest way would probably be to set the
uucp up as a daily process if you can do that with express. Then
have the users able to call rn as a door program, or whatever
express calls external programs. With the source code for rn,
you could probably redirect it to the modem without much trouble.
Elm could probably also work in this way.
        Trying to convert the RFC type messages to express type, then
back again would no be a good idea, as the potential for message
mangling is very high.
 
 --
          John Henders                      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
          Vancouver,B.C                     or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 01:48:46 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!fis
 cher-michael@arizona.edu (Michael Fischer)
Subject: Gemini 1.2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <3469@tamsun.TAMU.EDU> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes:
>Can someone tell me:
>
>  - Where is Gemini 1.2 in the atari archive at umich.edu?
 
/atari/utilities/desktop/gemini12.lzh
 
--
==================================================
| Michael Fischer <fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu>  |
==================================================
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 02:10:35 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
 itt.edu!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko)
Subject: Gemini 1.2
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  Gemini 1.2 can be found at atari.archive.umich.edu in the
/atari/utilities/desktop directory under the filename gemini12.lzh
(hope this helps)...
 
                                Robert Anisko
                                rjast1@cis.unix.pitt.edu
 
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Date: 13 Sep 91 19:55:25 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!bcc.ac.uk!ucacmsu@uunet.uu.net (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Subject: Help: MiNT and remote logins.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm in the middle of writting a Unix type init/getty/login suite for MiNT,
but have suspended development until MiNT 0.9 arrives because of a problem
with terminal I/O from the serial port.
 
Steve
 
Addresses:-
JANET           ucacmsu@uk.ac.ucl       or      ford@tharr.uucp
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 17:35:25 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflor
 ida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!upsilon!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <A2235045675@dynasoft.mn.org>, jls@dynasoft.mn.org writes:
>
>  Unfortunately it doesn't work with the most recient version of Flash
>(it's an -old- accessory) and the improvements in Flash since it was
>compatable with the accessory are important enough that I doubt you'd
>want to go back to that version.
>
>---
>John L. Stanley <jls@dynasoft.mn.org>
>Software Development Consultant / Dynasoft Systems
 
Whoa there!!  Is there a newer version of Flash that 1.6!!?!  I heard a
rumor about a 2.0 release, but have not seen any ads for it.  I like
Flash a lot, and would be very interested in a new release (I hope they
fixed the "no underline with TurboST" bug).  I have Flash 1.6, the latest
version that I know of, and it works fine with the Kermit acc.
--
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
             Mickey R. Boyd          |  "Kirk to Enterprise.  All clear
          FSU Computer Science       |      down here.  Beam down
        Technical Support Group      |      yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
       email:  boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu    |
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 05:46:27 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!bmaraldo@arizona.edu
 (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Software For Sale (MW C, Fontz, Hyperfont, TW DTP)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Mark Williams C v3.0.9 - includes mater disks and 828 page manual/refernce
guide.  $100 US
 
Michtron Hyperfont - outline based GDOS font development system.  Original
disks and manual. $40US
 
Neocept FONTZ - GEM font editor.  original disks and manual. $20US
 
Prices negotiable.  email or call 519 742 0370
 
Brett Maraldo
 
ps.  Also, I am distributing a very well organized and documented TeX/Metafont
distribution.  It included:
 
        - the latest version of TeX and Metafont
        - LaTeX, MuTeX (Music typestting)
        - Wasy (nifty fonts)
        - associated files
        - a pd dvi viewer
        - full set of organized fonts
        - Gentle Introduction to TeX by: Michael Doob
        - optional TeX Book, Metafont Book, and LaTex manuals (extra charge)
 
The set is on floppies and is fully unarchived and organized into folders
with installation manuals describing various set-ups and required files.
The distribution is variable in price depending on your needs (full system?
all the fonts?  etc).  Contact me for details:
 
bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
 
Design Text and Printing
38 York Street
Kitchener, Ontario
N2G1T2  Canada
tel 519 742 0370
--
               --------     Unit 36 Research     ---------
                        "Alien Technology Today"
                      bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
                   {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo
 
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Date: 13 Sep 91 19:45:33 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cunixf.cc.columbia.e
 du!cunixa.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu (Christopher M Mauritz)
Subject: Super Charger 286?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep13.171334.20553@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
 kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien) writes:
>In article <1991Sep13.132259.11507@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
 cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>>>something like SuperCharger.  The IBM emulators are designed to be
>>>attractive to Atari users who already have everything they need
>>>except an 80x86 chip.
>>
>>I don't agree with you.  Here in NY, you can buy an XT laptop
>>with 640K RAM and 2 floppies for $399 and for about $300 more
>>you can get a 286 laptop with a hardrive.  If I had any real
>>need to use a MS-DOS machine I would probably opt to buy one
>>of these machines rather than deal with all the hassles of putting
>>one of these "sorta compatible" boards in an ST.  The cost is
>>almost the same so why bother hacking up your ST?
 
>Well, Chrisie, you weren't reading my append very closely.  I'll try
>to simplify things for you.  Let's say that I have an Atari ST with
 
Are you always such a condescending weenie or do you just feel
lucky today?  I noticed you tried the same bullsh*t with the
last post too.  So lighten up "Kevie" and realize that there
are people out there with greater aspirations than a 286
with 2.5meg RAM, 85 meg hard disk and **640X200 resolution**
plugged into an 8mhz 68000-based I/O bus....
 
>2.5MB of memory, an 85M harddrive, and a color monitor.  For $400
>I can buy a SuperCharger (plugs into the DMA port so I don't even
>have to worry about installing it.)  This would give me an XT with
>2.5MB of memory, an 85M harddrive and a CGA color.  You could not
>spend $400 and get an XT with 2.5MB of memory, an 85M harddrive and
>CGA color.  As the last line of my append stated, the IBM emulators
 
I would personally rather spend that $400 on a laptop that is
going to be much more compatible that I can put in my briefcase
and use on my business trips.
 
>for the Atari ST are really most attractive to people who already
>have all the peripherals they'll need on their ST.  As far as
>compatibility goes, there's no reason why SuperCharger should not
>be as IBM compatible as Tandy computers.
 
That is a whole other can of worms.  People who spend ridiculous
amounts of money for Tandy's computers deserve what they get... :)
 
Skoal,
 
Chris
--------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing:  The only hobby perfectly tailored for
              |              anal retentive alcoholics.  :-)
--------------|              (ripped off from someone on the net...)
 
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Date: 13 Sep 91 20:33:12 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ox.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbi
 a.edu!bronze!silver!kclenden@arizona.edu (Kevin Clendenien)
Subject: Super Charger 286?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep13.194533.5505@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
 cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
>
>Are you always such a condescending weenie or do you just feel
>lucky today?  I noticed you tried the same bullsh*t with the
>last post too.  So lighten up "Kevie" and realize that there
>are people out there with greater aspirations than a 286
>with 2.5meg RAM, 85 meg hard disk and **640X200 resolution**
>plugged into an 8mhz 68000-based I/O bus....
>
..
>
>I would personally rather spend that $400 on a laptop that is
>going to be much more compatible that I can put in my briefcase
>and use on my business trips.
>
 
Ooooh!  Chrisie called me a weenie.  I'm gonna tell!  Lighten up
Chrisie.  Your posts have insinuated that NOONE would get any
use out of an IBM emulator for the Atari.  I've merely been
disagreeing with you.  Sure, some people want more than a 286
with 2.5Meg of memory and 600x200 color graphics.  However,
there are people out there who are perfectly happy with their
Atari, who just want a little freedom to run an IBM program
occasionally.  Compatibility is a relative matter.  If what I
want to run works on the IBM emulator then I consider it
IBM compatible.  What works on SuperCharger?  Lots of stuff.
DOS 3.3, DOS 5.0. dBase, Lotus, WordPerfect...  The list goes
on.  I work with IBM equipment, and people using IBM equipment
everyday.  My experience indicates that 99% of the software that
gets used on the IBM in an academic office environment will work
on SuperCharger.  You keep making claims about how an XT would be
more compatible.  Who cares if it's more compatible if the things
you want to run work on SuperCharger?
 
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
kclenden@silver.bacs.indiana.edu                          Kevin Clendenien
BLAST BBS - (812) 332-0573                                BLAST member
               "I want someone like you, only nicer."
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 06:38:53 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Super Charger 286?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
You using your Daddy's account again Kevie..?  Grow up a little
and realize that cutsie personal attacks don't get you much
respect...
 
>You keep making claims about how an XT would be
>more compatible.  Who cares if it's more compatible if the things
>you want to run work on SuperCharger?
 
Until the day you download an application you want to run, and
it won't run on an "emulator"...
 
Obviously QEMM386 won't run on an 8088 XT...it's *designed* for
a '386, just as a TT program won't run on an ST..
 
The point is, why spend an almost equivalent amount of money on
an "emulator" that might run *some* of the applications you want,
when the "real thing" costs about the same...?
 
Why limit yourself to the restrictive features of the "emulator"
when you can easily add VGA graphics, High Density disk drives,
and all the peripheral devices that just plug into the XT buss
in a "true" XT...?
 
An upgrade from an XT to an AT involves swapping out the
motherboard for a cost of about $79...  how much would it cost
to upgrade a SuperCharger to an AT...?
 
The ONLY reasonable argument I've heard for using an emulator on
an ST is not having the physical space for two different complete
computer systems.  Cost and capability are NOT good arguments for
going with an emulator...
 
BobR
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 15:14:05 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p
 itt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas
 Darling)
Subject: Super Charger 286?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien) writes:
 
> In article <1991Sep13.194533.5505@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.colu
> >
> >Are you always such a condescending weenie or do you just feel
>
> Ooooh!  Chrisie called me a weenie.  I'm gonna tell!  Lighten up
 
Give it a rest, kids.  This is starting to look like one of the Amiga news-
groups.
 
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 17:49:14 GMT
From:
 europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!upsilon!boyd@uun
 et.uu.net (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Wanted:  Trip-a-tron
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Heehee, after my success with Little Computer People, I thought I
might as well ask.
 
I have read about Trip-a-Tron in british magazines, and here on the net.  It
looks like something I would be into owning.  Unfortunetely I have been
unable to locate a copy stateside (I made the rounds of the 1-800 numbers).
 
Does anyone have a copy for sale?  Does anyone know where to purchase a copy
in the states?  Any brits want to try to mail it to me (for suitable bucks,
of course)?
 
For those that are not familiar with the product, it is a graphic demo
creator type program.  It was written by the same guy that did Llammatron.
The graphics are incredible.  Also, if any 8-biters are familiar with
Colorspace, this is sub-titled Colorspace II.  This description does not
do the program justice, but I am unsure as to just how to describe it.  It is
very unique.
 
--
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
             Mickey R. Boyd          |  "Kirk to Enterprise.  All clear
          FSU Computer Science       |      down here.  Beam down
        Technical Support Group      |      yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
       email:  boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu    |
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 09:25:47 GMT
From: umich!terminator!usenet@yale.arpa (Atari Archive Robot)
Subject: Weekly Posting of New Stuff
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  drwxrwxr-x daemon     1024    Sep 8 11:51 .
  drwxrwxr-x jon        4608    Sep 8 12:15 ./games
  drwxrwxr-x jon        1536    Sep 8 12:15 ./demos
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     3004    Sep 8 12:15 ./demos/Index
  drwxrwxr-x jon        2048    Sep 8 11:22 ./archivers
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     26624   Sep 8 11:22 ./archivers/auto_501.lzh
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     8430    Sep 8 11:22 ./archivers/ice_240.lzh
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     39434   Sep 8 11:22 ./archivers/lzh201d.lzh
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     3239    Sep 8 11:27 ./archivers/Index
  drwxrwxr-x jon        6144    Sep 8 11:32 ./utilities
  -rw-r----- weiner     3099    Sep 8 11:32 ./utilities/autodate.arc
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     30318   Sep 8 11:29 ./utilities/cpx_mdls.lzh
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     10887   Sep 8 11:33 ./utilities/Index
  drwxrwxr-x jon        2560    Sep 8 17:09 ./magazines/streport
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     51070   Sep 8 17:09 ./magazines/streport/str736.txt.Z
  drwxrwxr-x jon        2048    Sep 8 17:09 ./magazines/znet
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     30568   Sep 8 17:09 ./magazines/znet/znet9137.txt.Z
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     4003    Sep 8 11:21 ./applications/Index
  drwxrwxr-x weiner     1024    Sep 8 11:20 ./applications/math
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     90820   Sep 8 11:20 ./applications/math/gplot.arc
  drwxrwxr-x jon        512     Sep 8 11:28 ./cli
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     101024  Sep 8 11:28 ./cli/bash108d2.zoo
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     587     Sep 8 11:28 ./cli/Index
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     109021  Sep 8 11:34 ./Index
  drwxr-xr-x weiner     1536    Sep 8 11:18 ./dc
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     3933    Sep 8 11:18 ./dc/dcdrpdtr.arc
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     79327   Sep 8 11:41 ./ls-lR.Z
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     50812   Sep 8 11:34 ./CompInd.Z
  drwxrwxr-x daemon     1024    Sep 9 09:14 .
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     110258  Sep 9 09:13 ./Index
  drwxr-xr-x weiner     1536    Sep 9 09:07 ./dc
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     1316    Sep 9 09:07 ./dc/Index
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     51345   Sep 9 09:14 ./CompInd.Z
  drwxrwxr-x daemon     1024    Sep 11 22:45 .
  drwxrwxr-x jon        6144    Sep 11 22:42 ./utilities
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     10953   Sep 11 22:43 ./utilities/Index
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     66200   Sep 11 22:42 ./utilities/ren.lzh
  drwxrwxr-x jon        3072    Sep 11 22:42 ./diskutils
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     5714    Sep 11 22:43 ./diskutils/Index
  lrwxrwxrwx weiner     20      Sep 11 22:42 ./diskutils/ren.lzh -> ../utilities/ren.lzh
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     110380  Sep 11 22:44 ./Index
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     51373   Sep 11 22:45 ./CompInd.Z
  drwxrwxr-x daemon     1024    Sep 13 09:02 .
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     110397  Sep 13 09:02 ./Index
  -rw-r--r-- weiner     1333    Sep 13 09:02 ./dc/Index
  -rw-rw-r-- weiner     51380   Sep 13 09:02 ./CompInd.Z
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 17:59:45 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!hobby.ukc.ac.uk!wabe@uunet.uu.net
 (W.A.B.Evans)
Subject: Why is fscanf function of Mark Williams "C" so slow?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I have noticed that if I compile anything with MWC which involves
reading floating point numbers from a file - using their fscanf() function
- (by the way I last updated to Version 3.0.6 of MWC). Identical code
compiled with Sozobon's fscanf() runs about 10 times faster. Unfortunately
although I have Sozobon's sourcecodes I cannot incorporate their fscanf into
my MWC library "libc.a" - since Sozobon's fscanf() is not "self-contained"
i.e. calls many more primitive subroutines. Also Mark Williams' "doubles"
are genuine 8-byte wheras Sozobon's are same as "floats" i.e. 4 bytes -
but this CANNOT explain the ENORMOUS difference in speed I experience.
 
        I have not heard anyone else mention this - Have I got a few bits
wrong in my MWC library file "libc.a" or should I be setting some buffer to
a higher value (I cannot see any reference to any such buffer in my MWC
manual which, admittedly, is only Version 2.something - as I upgraded) or
am I not doing something else???
 
        For virtually all else MWC's performance is par excellence.
 
                Any hints gratefully received,  W. Alan B. Evans
                                                [ wabe@ukc.ac.uk ]
 
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Date: 14 Sep 91 17:58:25 GMT
From:
 europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!upsilon!boyd@uun
 et.uu.net (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Word Processor
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <R8P781w161w@grafted.UUCP>, tony@grafted.UUCP (anthony lewis) writes:
>HI all.
>        Just wondering if there is a good GEM based WP out there in PD or
>shareware land. ( something that uses GEMINI would be perfect, will deal
>whit the german docs.... ). Thanks.
>                                        Tony.
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I suggest you get a copy of ST-Writer Elite.  It is somewhat GEM based,
and many folks prefer it over any other ST wp (I am not personally one
of them, but it is a fine piece of work).  It is PD, and is available in
several languages.  It is loosely based on the old Atariwriter word processor
for the 8-bits, but is of course much nicer.  I have a copy because I
occasionally run into a doc file that was made by it (it also pays to have
a copy of 1st Word for the same reason).  It is available from several
places (including atari.archive), but I recommend that you buy it from the
Current Notes PD library.  The reason for this is that when a new version
comes out, you can send the disk in and get it updated for free (this is the
only PD library that I know of that offers this service).  My views on the
magazine are legendary on this group, so I won't go through that spiel (just
get a subscription!!).
 
Oh, I seem to remember that this program is also available in a huge text
visually impaired version.  Kind of neat.
 
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