Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon, 28 Oct 91       Volume 91 : Issue 555
 
Today's Topics:
                    Atari 1040STF *For Sale* MidI
      Atari ST Maple (symbolic algebra package) for sale -- $200
                           Diamond Back II
             Disassembler/assembler for Keyboardprozessor
                european distributor of DCs DataDiet?
                     FALL COMDEX brings packages
                     FOR SALE: ST and Hard Drive
                              HD to TT ?
                 How can event-multi return event whe
                 How to copy screen display using for
                       JPEG-software for ST???
                           Mega2 questions
                       More TeX/LaTeX (2 msgs)
                     Need help unsplitting files
                        PC-Ditto I vs. Mega4 ?
                       Rev. P-K has a problem.
                           UNITERM question
 
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Date: 27 Oct 91 12:52:53 GMT
From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!FredGate@uunet.uu.net (Rod Fulk)
Subject: Atari 1040STF *For Sale* MidI
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Actually from what I have seen its the $520STe selling for $399...
The 1040STe seems to be around $539....
Course in either machine you have easy to replace SIMMS modules...
 
 
 * Origin: The R.I.P.  (616)235-2313   [HST] (1:228/24)
 
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Date: 27 Oct 91 21:04:02 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!fermi.
 clas.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@arizona.edu (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Atari ST Maple (symbolic algebra package) for sale -- $200
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
For sale: Atari ST Maple version 4.2
 
Maple is a symbolic algebra package, capable of doing algebra and
calculus on all sorts of expressions. It can also graph functions and
numerically integrate things it can't do symbolic. Much faster than
looking up those nasty integrals in your nasty 1,000 page book of
integrals written by some poor souls locked away in a Siberian labor
camp.
 
This program is similar to other packages like Mathematica, Macsyma,
and Derive. It sells for $400 (list price).
 
Includes all manuals (tutorial, reference, Atari installation), and
the original distribution disks in shrink-wrap. Requires about 4
megabytes of disk space, plus at least 1 megabyte of ram, preferably
more. I don't know if it will run on a TT or not.
 
I'm asking $200, plus shipping.
 
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Date: 27 Oct 91 17:20:35 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!unogate!mvb.saic.com!cpva!ds
 haw@arizona.edu
Subject: Diamond Back II
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Has anyone else used Diamond Back II for HD backups ???  If so, have
you successfully restored files ???
 
I recently started using it for the first time and after backing up
my C: partition to a dozen double sided floppies (compressed, file
splitting allowed), I tried to restore to another partition.  The
first floppy seemed to go ok, but when I got to the second, it was
skipped over in just a couple of seconds.  Then when I inserted the
3rd as requested, I got an error message claiming that the next file
had been compressed with the wrong number of bits.
 
I tried a second time (I completely resaved the partition first) and
this time when I got to the second disk I got an error message claiming
the diskette was unlabelled.
 
Another problem I've had is that the automatic disk switching doesn't
seem to be working correctly.  If I insert the next disk while another
is being used and press the drive letter as I understood the instructions,
I still don't get automatic switching when the first disk is completed.
 
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:54:32 CET
From: Georg Buesse <BUESSE%DD0RUD81.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Disassembler/assembler for Keyboardprozessor
To: <Info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
I want to create some new functions in the keyboard.
Does anybody know where to get a Assembler/Disassembler for the keyboard
or where i can get some informations about the machinecodes and the port-
addresses?
 
  Thank you
       Georg Buesse
 
My mail address is
 buesse@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de   (internet)
 buesse@dd0rud81.bitnet             (bitnet/earn)
 
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 91 14:13:20 MEZ
From: Wolfgang Ley <BWWL%DCZTU1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: european distributor of DCs DataDiet?
To: Atari ST users forum <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
Hi ppl,
 
Does there exist an european distributor of DCs DataDiet?
(german distributors prefered).
 
Thanks, Bye, Wolfgang.
 
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Date: 27 Oct 91 15:48:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.e
 du!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: FALL COMDEX brings packages
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct27.060517.12539@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
 aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>
>
>
>Well, looks like Atari's about to start mass marketing its lower-end computers
>that will eventually mean- more and more software and products for the ST and
>STe.
>
>Atari released the Discovery XTRA package in the United States.
>
>This package consists what many people in Europe have already seen.
>
>A 520 STe, SC1224 color monitor, and lots of games.
>
>The Family Curriculum package which will consist of the 1040 STe, SC1224 color
>monitor, and games and applications.
>
>The prices of these packages were not mentioned but I'm guessing that the
>Discover package will be less than $699 and the Family package will be less
>than $799.00.
>
>The amazing part of this news is that Atari claims it will be made available
>in two weeks.
>
>
>What does this all mean?
>
>
>This means that all those people who are selling their STs may end up with
>one again in a few months.
>
>The main problem was the lack of new software- the IBM, Mac, and Amiga would
>get software approximately 6 months earlier than the ST or the ST wouldn't
>get it at all.  The mass marketing of these computers will give the ST the
>software it needs.
 
The ST will never get the software it needs to serious in any respect
except maybe programming and games.  THATS ALL.
 
Atari MUST DUMP TOS and go with UNIX, or in the future make current
machines that help Mr. Small's emulation efforts...indirectly of course..:)
 
>
>I was considering selling my ST, not anymore folks...  the package was
>called VERY impressive by many- including the box that it will be sold in.
>
Wow, a colorful card board box, neato.
>
>Atari also stressed DTP and MUSIC as the markets that they will be
>concentrating on.
 
You must, can`t be serious, DTP?  HA!  Music, market is much more
realistic...
 
>
>What does this mean?
>
 
It means you have been drinking too much on weekends, and that you
need to sell your Atari and get a real computer, even the AMIGA
3000 looks impressive, goodness, Lynx developers love the machine
from what I have been reading...at least most of them anyway.
 
>
>Atari computers may become very serious contenders in the DTP and music
>market and all the other software that you love may "trickle" down from there.
>
>The mass marketing of the STes will most likely create a great amount of
>game availability.
>
 
How many times have you heard the phrase "Oh, well, we are going to mass
market the ST's with advertising...BS etc BS etc BS..."
 
Won`t you ever learn?
 
>
>Atari also released 4 IBM compatibles ath the show.  One was a slick looking
>notebook.  The 3 desktop computers were called ugly to most but interesting
>in a way.
>
>
>And lastly, the ST Notebook was released at the Fall Comdex.
>
>Looks like, Atari is making a big effort to get into the "professional" world,
>even though it may be through niche markets.
>
>
>I can live with it.
>
>
>I guess the MAIN thing that will determine the success of the computers is,
>
>WILL ATARI ADVERTISE?
 
NO.
 
>
>and
>
>WILL ATARI GET ENOUGH DEALERS TO ACTUALLY SELL THESE COMPUTERS?
 
NO.
 
>
>
>We'll find out.
>
>
>--
>
 
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Date: 27 Oct 91 20:03:25 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
 .ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@arizona.edu
 (Len Stys)
Subject: FOR SALE: ST and Hard Drive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
FOR SALE:
 
520 STfm (1 Meg) in excellent condition.  Also includes mega-touch springs.
It is less than a year and half old.  The system comes with all original
disks, manuals, cables, power supply, and box.
 
PRICE: $250.00.
 
Supra 20 Meg Hard Drive.  A new host adaptor was recently replaced in it.
The mechinism does have its problems.  A part of the mechinism sometimes
needs to be jiggled in order to work.  My dealer claims that has no problems
with it and I shouldn't have any problem with it as long as I keep it on.
But since there does to be problems and I'm honest enough to say so,
I'm not charging for it.  You may want to just replace it anyways since
it is only 20 megs.
 
Also comes with host adaptor, controller, manuals, cables, disks, case,
fan, power supply, original box, etc...
 
PRICE: BEST OFFER
 
 
Syncho Express.  Copies all disks.  22 seconds for single sided, 44 for double
sided.  Two drives required (external and internal or external and external).
Comes with software.
 
PRICE: $40.00.
 
 
The reason I'm selling is because I'm going to purchase a higher-end
Atari computer (Mega STe or TT/030).
 
Write back.
 
 
--
 
 
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Date: 28 Oct 91 01:06:55 GMT
From:
 snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@uunet.
 uu.net (Adam David)
Subject: HD to TT ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1991Oct22.094215.22164@ugle.unit.no> erlingh@idt.unit.no (Erling Henanger)
 writes:
 
>Note: You have to have your own software to FORMAT HD-disks, but TOS will
>automagically read/write HD/normal disks. If you have source to a floppy-
>formatter, just change number of sectors to 18 instead of 9 and recompile.
>You will then have a HD-formatter.
 
You must alao ensure that the format track buffer in the program is big
enough. Many variable format programs are useless in this respect unless
the source is fixed to give a larger buffer. I stopped using the format
program that was distributed way back when with STart magazine because it
will not format more than 14 sectors. Now I usually use KnifeST from HiSoft
for formatting as it gives complete flexibility over all format parameters.
 
--
Adam David.
(adamd@rhi.hi.is)
 
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Date: 26 Oct 91 12:29:10 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice.hobby.nl!harold@uunet.uu.net (Harold van
 Aalderen)
Subject: How can event-multi return event whe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1991Oct23.102820.20079@vlsi.louisville.edu>, Robert Delius Royar writes:
> Summary of the problem:
> When not using AES only VDI but initialised AES with appl_init call
> evnt_* routines do not work when mouse in the TOP row
>
>Is there a way to use the AES and event_multi to get a click event WHILE the
>mouse is in that TOP line?
>
Your problem is that AES is initialized and expects a menu bar in the TOP
row. This means that when the mouse is in the TOP row AES gives mouse control
to the MENU manager.
One solution is not use AES at all not even for event polling. Use AES only
if you want to use menu's and dialogs.
There are VDI functions that can perform this task for you. Describing them
here would be to much so I suggest that you get your hands on a good book
about VDI (Profibuch) and try to figure out how to use VDI for this.
If you run into a specific problem that VDI cannot solve according to your
knowlegde ask again.
Some function names you should look at are:
 
vex_motv        install mouse movement interrupt vector
vex_butv                      button
vrq_valuator    several input routines
vrq_string
vrq_locator
vrq_choice
 
Hope this will help you one step futher!
--
Harold van Aalderen |  harold@alice.hobby.nl
                    |  {...!mcsun}!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold
alice: She's not the neighbour girl nor is she living in wonderland
       Who it is? For me to know for you to guess.
 
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Date: 26 Oct 91 12:40:14 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice.hobby.nl!harold@uunet.uu.net (Harold van
 Aalderen)
Subject: How to copy screen display using for
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1041@carl.pppl.gov>, Bruce Scott writes:
>Hello all,
>  I use the Absoft FORTRAN quite heavily from time to time.
>I would like to be able to find the 32kbytes (right?) which contain the
>data for the monochrome screen in memory, and copy them elsewhere from
>a FORTRAN program. Is this possible at all? I've never seen info like
>this anywhere, but I'm sure this is a FAQ to someone in the know.
 
Use the VDI function vro_cpyfm or vrt_cpyfm
You will need to create two Memory Form Definition Block's which will look
like this
 
typedef struct
{
  void  *fd_addr;       form adress 0L means scre


                         GENIE email (2 msgs)
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                              HD to TT ?
                   Lattice C Version 5 Update Soon?
                    Looking for Clarence T. Chang
                            More TeX/LaTeX
                    Need program to catalog gifs..
                       Re~1: Mega STe (2 msgs)
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                  Transputer link connectors on ATW
               what types of joysticks work with 520ST?
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Date: 21 Oct 91 21:27:52 GMT
From: psinntp!uupsi!mpoint!ritz@uunet.uu.net (Chris Mauritz)
Subject: Atari Abaq
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <4948@tamsun.TAMU.EDU> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes:
>This is an old and probably dead issue.
>
>What happened to the Atari Abaq.
>
>A friend told me putting 10 of these Atari Abaqs together would give a
>user more power than a Cray Y-MP computer.  He then proceeded to inform
>me how Atari products are so good, that Atari will own the computer market
>by 1989.  I even saw a picture of the Atari Abaq in an atari magazine.
 
Hehe...Um, tell your friend to lay off the bong for a few minutes before
he starts talking about computers next time. :-)
 
>Do anyone have the scoop on this?
 
I don't know the exact number of Abaq transputer machines that were made,
but I am under the impression that the number is in the low hundreds at
best.  It ran a new somewhat-buggy OS that supported parallel processing
and is used in a few universities in Europe.
 
They probably never sold enough of them to even cover a fraction of the
R&D cost.
 
Skoal,
 
Chris
 
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 10:48:37 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!kreeta!luoto@uunet.uu.net (Markku Luoto)
Subject: Atari Abaq
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
is this abaq the same thing as something called "ATW" -transputer
station made by atari in 80'ies too ?
 
and is this "parallel supporting OC" same thing as "helios" used in ATW
?
 
>>>purely on curiousity ?<<<
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>   " I'm completely operational & all my cicuits are functioning  <<<<<<
>>>>>>      correctly...correc...corr...co...-! " : HAl9000             <<<<<<
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Date: 21 Oct 91 22:23:28 GMT
From: @oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)
Subject: Atari Minix and ICD
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <7578.2901518b@cpva.saic.com> dshaw@cpva.saic.com writes:
 
   >In article <1991Oct17.202405.1270@sae.com>, malay@sae.com (Bob
   >Malay) writes:
   >> Has anybody installed Minix on the Atari ST using a hard drive with an
   >> Bob Malay
 
   >Megafile 30 that follows my main HD.   (It might be possible to rebuild
   >Minix to allow more than 4 partitions, but I haven't looked into this and
   >wouldn't want to be dependent on that anyway).
 
(I already replied to Bob Malay about this in more detail....)
Does anybody who uses ST Minix read this newsgroup (anymore) ? Frans
Meulenbroeks (who's name is on the COVER of the ST Minix vers. 1.5
manual ) I know shows up occasionally. anyone else ?
 
What to do if you want to use partitions BEYOND /dev/hd4 on ST Minix
1.5 from Prentis-Hall ? Well..... you have to upgrade(=patch) Minix
from version 1.5.10.0 (the version SHIPPED by Prentis-Hall) to at
least version 1.5.10.3 and recompile the thing...... Yes, it DOES
work!!! The patches are available somewhere on plains.nodak.edu for
anonymous ftp.
Now, if you want to be able to use MORE than 5 partitions at one time
(Which is a different matter than using partitions out beyond
/dev/hd4) you'll have to change a #define somewhere. Since I haven't
done it I don't remember where it is..... 4 partitons is more than
enough for my purposes.
 
There is a newsgroup where people are only too happy to help out with
minix questions.....
comp.os.minix
There's EVEN a FAQ.... :-).
 
-Andy-
 
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Date: 21 Oct 91 19:58:38 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!horga!reswi!aslan!clash@uunet.uu.net (Oliver Graf)
Subject: Font addresses
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hya!
 
First, thank your for your quick answer. But the problem, I have, is
where to poke the font address to. In my programs I user my own fonts,
too. But I wrote them with TOS 1.02. Now, after I installed TOS 1.04,
texts aren't displayed with MY fonts when I use the GfA-Basic TEXT
command. Using TOS 1.02, the address was $8820, but now?! The TOS font
address (the address where to poke the font location to) is still SUB(L%A,
22).
 
Oliver
 
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Date: 21 Oct 91 23:42:30 GMT
From: psinntp!sgigate!odin!flatcat.wpd.sgi.com!stever@uunet.uu.net (Steve
 Whitney)
Subject: G-Print users wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Users of G-Print (my text formatting/printing program which uses word processor
command codes):  If you'd be interested in beta testing G-Print 2.0, please
reply to me at this e-mail address.
 
Version 2.0 includes:
 
        Limited Word Perfect file support
        TX2 file support (except graphics)
        A different font for every pitch in WP, ST Writer, and First Word Plus
        Support for FSM GDOS long font names, continuous point sizes, and
                variabel character aspect ratios (width setting)
        Document Information box
        Various print order options
        Several bugs axed.
 
                Thanks for your help,
 
                        Steve Whitney
 
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Date: 21 Oct 91 22:58:35 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas Darling)
Subject: GENIE email
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) writes:
 
> Anyone in North America can get a GEnie membership for a flat monthly fee
> of $4.95 U.S. or $5.95 CDN. There is no additional charge for email, and
> most non-computer-related roundtables are included in the basic fee. There
> also is no telecommunications charge if you dial into a GE network port.
> There are GE ports in most major cities.
 
It's worth pointing out that the flat monthly fee only applies if you call
after 6pm, before 6am, or on weekends.  Otherwise all services are $18/hour
(ouch!) or $24/hour for 9600 baud (Double ouch!).
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 12:07:30 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!caen!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.n
 z!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: GENIE email
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <A1305483093@thelake.mn.org> steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington)
 writes:
> [In article <91293.214026SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>,
>      SML108@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott the Great) writes ... ]
>
>  > Hi, is there a way to send email to GENIE accounts from BITNET or
>  > Internet and vice versa?
>
> There is a GEnie project to build an Internet gateway, but no official
> gateway currently exists.
>
> Anyone in North America can get a GEnie membership for a flat monthly fee
> of $4.95 U.S. or $5.95 CDN. There is no additional charge for email, and
> most non-computer-related roundtables are included in the basic fee. There
> also is no telecommunications charge if you dial into a GE network port.
> There are GE ports in most major cities.
>
>  --
>  Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota
>  steve@thelake.mn.org (In winter we walk on water)
 
The same sort of thing applies here in New Zealand,
but you pay a connect charge of $8us per hour, but no charge for
uploading files, but you pay for all other times,
but no line charges even from here..
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Date: 11 Oct 91 00:53:34 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!tamuts!n160ao@
 arizona.edu (Mark Lehmann)
Subject: Get ready!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
It looks like we are about to get a new generation of USENET users in
comp.sys.atari.st.  The bombardment of computer sales over this facility
tells me that the experienced (but not developer) users are leaving atari
for more prestigious computer systems.  This is great news because we should
see a new wave of enthusiastic users who got a really good deal on the
computer that provides power without the price (and in this case really
without the price).
 
This prompts me to re-encourage us to make the atari archives as user
friendly as possible.  This includes documentation to set up
 
  - MiNT
  - command line editors/shells (bash, gulam, ksh)
  - TeX/LaTeX
  - Uniterm Macros
  - Sozobon C (I think the easy to install package already exists)
  - GNU C
  - g++
 
Also, its time for us to be flame-retardent.  Don't flame, and when you see
a flame skip it (I use the "k" functions of rn).
 
Thanks for your time.
Mark Lehmann
n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 09:42:15 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sciences.sdsu.edu!ucselx!sol.ctr.colum
 bia.edu!@arizona.edu (Erling Henanger)
Subject: HD to TT ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Yes, I did it.
And here is what to do:
1)      Take out the old (720k) drive.
2)      Put in the new one.
3)      It works.
 
Allthough this works, I wouldn't recommend doing it, since the WD1772-chip isn't
supposed to be able to cope with 16 Mhz. Wait for the new chip from atari !!
 
Note: You have to have your own software to FORMAT HD-disks, but TOS will
automagically read/write HD/normal disks. If you have source to a floppy-
formatter, just change number of sectors to 18 instead of 9 and recompile.
You will then have a HD-formatter.
Also if you have Tos >= 3.05, you can set a DIP-switch so that you may
format HD-disks from the desktop.
 
--
       _______    _____          o           ____       Erling Henanger
      /___       /____/ /       /   /|  /   /           Norwegian Institute
     /          /\     /       /   / | /   |   ___      of Technology. (NTH)
    ------     /  \   /____   /   /  |/     \____| o    Si nei til Intel.
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 02:16:57 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@ari
 zona.edu (Richard Covert)
Subject: Lattice C Version 5 Update Soon?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Alxe Kieran mentioned on GEnie recently that Hisoft is
updating their Lattice C compiler soon. It is supposed
to have an intergrated project management (aka MAKE).
there is also supposed to be a new "ToolPac" which
will contain many UNIX tools for the LC5 package.
 
Now, could someone in the UK ask Hisoft about this update?
And about the ToolPac?
 
I am on Hisoft's mailing list but who knows?
 
 
--
Richard E. Covert                 covert@cactus.org
CACTUS                  ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 01:04:43 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nic.funet.fi!jartsu@uunet.uu.net (Jartsu)
Subject: Looking for Clarence T. Chang
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        The address <fsctc@csduts1.lerc.nasa.gov> (Clarence T. Chang)
is on the ataripu-list, and causes a bounced message every time!
(messes up my mailbox...)
 
        So, please give me your correct address, or unsubscribe from
the list.
 
        If I receive no reply upon this subject in 7 days, I'll delete
the address permanently from the list.
 
        If the person mentioned doesn't catch this article himself,
please someone who possibly knows him, inform him.
 
 
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* Tenavatie 19 A * Fax +358 0 8735916 * fwd -> s37837k@saha.hut.fi  *
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Date: 21 Oct 91 17:55:11 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!olymp!sfb256!volker@uunet.uu.net ( Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: More TeX/LaTeX
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <4928@tamsun.TAMU.EDU> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes:
>Thanks for the help setting up TeX and LaTeX.  I now have TeX (and I think
>LaTeX) working.  I can view things with the screen previewers.
>
>I have two project before releasing a "So, this is your first time installing
>TeX on the Atari ST!" document.
>
>  1) Make the "dviprint" program use fonts for my Panasonic 24pin (EPSON
>     LQ-1500 clone).
>
>  2) Understand the font naming conventions.  I understand that the "fonts"
>     directory should have directories named after a font, and should contain
>     font files with names like "100pk".  Also, the "fonts" direcotry should
>     have files containing "fontname.tfm" in it.
 
Oh my, why do people insist on making life difficult for themselves?
 
Why don't you simply use CS-TeX, available from several atari servers via ftp.
This program sets up EVERYTHING, the INSTALL.PRG builds all the right files,
directories etc.
 
There's a TeX shell that makes document recompilation a 3-key issue.
There's an automated Metafont that makes all fonts for your output device(s)
automatically, either on the fly as you need them, or as an overnight job.
 
Naturally, there's a previewer included that works with printer fonts, to
save on disk space.  And of course there's a Panasonic printer driver.
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bitnet:   UNM409@DBNRHRZ1                              Volker A. Brandt
UUCP:     ...!unido!DBNRHRZ1.bitnet!unm409             Angewandte Mathematik
Internet: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de [hopefully]    (Bonn, Germany)
 
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Date: 21 Oct 91 23:41:34 GMT
From: netcomsv!bryanw@decwrl.dec.com (Bryan Woodworth)
Subject: Need program to catalog gifs..
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi, I need a program that will catalog gifs.  I want the program to be able
to sort the information by disk # or alphabetical listing of the filenames.
I want it to ask the following info:  disk #, filename, filesize
(optional), and a space for comments.  And this is the most important part.
IT MUST OUTPUT THE INFORMATION IN ASCII.
 
Thanks.
 
--
Bryan Woodworth   Mail: bryanw@netcom.COM
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 11:20:16 GMT
From: bonnie.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!cordes@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re~1: Mega STe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <5486634@shlink.hanse.de>, lp@shlink.hanse.de (Lutz Petersen) writes:
> Im Artikel <1991Oct18.002945.5554@demon.co.uk> schreibt
 ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Iain Laskey):
>>
>> I would like to buy a Mega STe when they are released in the UK. Are there
 any-
>>  known compatibility problems with them?
>
>  In my case 1st_Word 3.xx doesn't work. Now I have 'downgraded' to version
>  2.0x to work with some old wordplus-documents.
>
1st Word Plus 3.14 works fine on my Mega4 STE.
 
John Cordes
Dept. of Physics
Dalhousie University
Halifax, N.S., Canada  B3H 3J5
email: cordes@ac.dal.ca
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 12:11:47 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!think.com!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.
 au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Re~1: Mega STe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <5486634@shlink.hanse.de> lp@shlink.hanse.de (Lutz Petersen) writes:
> Im Artikel <1991Oct18.002945.5554@demon.co.uk> schreibt
 ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Iain Laskey):
> >
> > I would like to buy a Mega STe when they are released in the UK. Are there
 any-
> >  known compatibility problems with them?
>
>  In my case 1st_Word 3.xx doesn't work. Now I have 'downgraded' to version
>  2.0x to work with some old wordplus-documents.
>
>  lp
>
>
> --
>
> \\ lutz petersen - 2200 elmshorn, germany - +49 4121-63587 v.32 \\
>  \\ lp@shlink.hanse.de  lp@shlink.sh.sub.org  zer: lp@shlink.zer \\
 
Well if you have brought 1st_Word Plus, you can upgrade to version
3.15, this I have read is the TT version, should work for the Mega STE..??
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 21 Oct 91 18:34:22 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!olymp!sfb256!volker@uunet.uu.net ( Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: TeX joy, LaTeX woes.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct18.085235.19948@cs.nott.ac.uk> dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave Gymer)
 writes:
>In article <4892@tamsun.TAMU.EDU> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes:
>>(...)
>>I up it to FOLDR750.PRG and start over.  BINGO, I get more fonts in, but then
>>TEX stops building LaTeX will another font.
>
>I presume your using a versoin of TOS prior to 1.4? I don't remember any of
>these problems when I tried to build TeX (my config, 4meg STe, TOS 1.60, at
>the time, about 10 meg disk space).
>
>If you can find a machine with TOS 1.4, try it on that.
 
FOLDR750 is outrageous!  Needless to say, CS-TeX runs fine on TOS < 1.4 with
FOLDR090 or so.  I don't use FOLDRxxx at all (TOS 1.4) and never had any
trouble running it.
 
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Bitnet:   UNM409@DBNRHRZ1                              Volker A. Brandt
UUCP:     ...!unido!DBNRHRZ1.bitnet!unm409             Angewandte Mathematik
Internet: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de [hopefully]    (Bonn, Germany)
 
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Date: 21 Oct 91 23:29:09 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!spool.mu.
 edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!sirius!jeremy@a
 rizona.edu (Jeremy Webber)
Subject: Transputer link connectors on ATW
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
 
I need to find out the pinouts for the DB9 link connectors on the back of an
Atari ATW.  Unfortunately I do not have access to a manual which could help me.
 
Can anyone in this newsgroup help?  Please reply by e-mail; I will summarize
only if there is demand for it.
 
Thanks,
        Jeremy Webber
--
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Digital Arts Film and Television,            jeremy@chook.ua.oz.au
3 Milner St, Hindmarsh, SA 5007,      Phone: +61 8 346 4532
Australia                               FAX: +61 8 346 4537
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 07:25:42 GMT
From:
 snorkelwacker.mit.edu!stanford.edu!msi.umn.edu!gacvx2.gac.edu!vax1.mankato.msus
 .edu!doucetdb@uunet.uu.net
Subject: what types of joysticks work with 520ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <21OCT199115250127@obiwan>, buchs@obiwan (Kevin J. Buchs) writes:
> I am finally going to get a joystick for my 520ST.  Do I need to get a
> particular type?  Anyone have brand and source recommendations.
> Please Email and I summarize if there is interest.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Kevin Buchs      Mayo Foundation
> buchs@mayo.edu   200 1st St SW
> (507) 284-0009   Rochester, MN 55905
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Kevin Buchs      Mayo Foundation
> buchs@mayo.edu   200 1st St SW
> (507) 284-0009   Rochester, MN 55905
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 
 
I have always used the good old Atari black joysticks.  They work well, are
durable, and are *cheap*. ;)  By the way, I have a 1040ST.
 
doucetdb@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
David Doucette
college student
 
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Date: 21 Oct 91 17:17:08 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!atari!apratt@uunet.uu.net (Allan Pratt)
Subject: Why programs don't work (was Fligth Simulator on STe)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In mail to me, Lars-Erik Osterud remarks that some games didn't work under
some TOSes because TOS uses Timer A, which is "reserved for applications."
 
What happened is that TOS used that timer DURING BOOT, which is perfectly
reasonable.  After the boot sequence, it does not use that timer.  However,
it left the timer and its interrupt channel in a state other than the reset
state.  If the game programmer had not made assumptions about the state of
that timer, the game would have worked.
 
The same thing would happen if you ran some other program before the game,
using old TOS, and that program used Timer A (legally) but left it in a
state other than the reset state.  Correct programs do not assume anything
about a resource like this, and approach it carefully. Incorrect programs
might, for example, unmask the interrupt before they install the vector,
because they think it's not enabled or the timer isn't running.
 
The newest TOS leaves that timer in the same state it boots up in: with the
interrupt disabled and the timer stopped.  This is an example of the other
kind of pain we go through in the name of compatibility: we even try to
make badly-written programs continue to work.
 
Finally, for everybody: any time you refer to "some programs" not working,
PLEASE name the programs, so we can check out the reasons here.  We run new
TOSes on our library, but we don't have all programs in the library, and we
don't try them in all ways.  If you can name a program that doesn't work,
we want to hear it so we can investigate.  If it doesn't just bomb on
start-up or something, then explain how to make it fail.
 
============================================
Opinions expressed above do not necessarily     -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp.
reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else.      ...ames!atari!apratt
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 22 Oct 91 12:58:22 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.
 ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!iraul1!irau28!s_grunwa@arizona.edu (Knut Grunwald)
Subject: Why programs don't work (was Fligth Simulator on STe)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This is a ME TOO !
 
I have the same problem with games. Atari should forget about tricky
people sparing a few dollars for the ROM's by using a disk. You loose
a lot of memory and the ROM's are much more comfortable, if something
went's wrong.
 
They should place an Atari Emulator for PC's on the market, showing that
emulating a little, outdated 68000 is a very hard job for those super,
duper 80486's. May be the users like the ST-software and then buy a
ST for using it ...
 
- Knut
 
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