Info-Atari16 Digest         Fri, 29 Mar 91       Volume 91 : Issue 178
 
Today's Topics:
                           amiga emulators
                     Atari STe internam drive....
                       Character sets? (4 msgs)
                           Closing Windows
                       Dungeon Mater I for sale
                   Excerpts from Gadgets' newletter
                      Help with MiNT and Neodesk
   JRI RAM+ SIMM memory upgrade board disk (or info about) wanted..
                          Mercury Authorship
                              MIDIMAZE 2
            Problem using HP II P  laserprinter  with 104
              Response to Mr. Choi re: Notebook machines
                    Standardized GEM look and feel
                      Switching A SS drive to DS
                             TT pricing?
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 14:14:28 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net
Subject: amiga emulators
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <MbwCiO_00Uh7M2LBta@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
 writes:
> Every one repeat after me. There is no such thing, there is no such
> thing, there is no such thing....
>
>                 -geisha-
>
>
> P.S. The only thing that comes close as far as I know, is a program
> called* an amiga emulator, that puts up the thought bubble for a little
> bit, and then proptly posts the GURU message on the screen (Plus a natsy
> anti amiga message). Not to much different that the real thing. Maybe it
> is an amiga emulator after all. Cute.
 
I have a Emulator that has the Metacomco name on it, I have never
tried it as it has some funny requirements that I did not have at the Time,
but that is all I can remember about it at the moment, but I still have it,
and will give it a try, if I remember it was Dated 1987..
 
--
Roger W. Sheppard   85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 17:56:53 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-lab!life.ai.mit.edu!johnb@arizona.ed
 u (John Bunch)
Subject: Atari STe internam drive....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Greetings all....
 
I have once again encountered problems with my STe.   It seems that my
internal drive has decided that it doesn' want to work any more...
It ucks, caue I dont have a harddrive, so I cant even boot up...   Is
there some known problem with the drives in the STe?  It spins up on
powerup, and when the boot process tries to read the drive it makes a
buzzing sound and cant access it...   Thi really sucks, since I opened
the machine to put in memory....  Argghhh!
 
John
 
--
************************************************************************
*        John Bunch       * 610 Morris St. * To be filled with a nifty *
* johnb@gnu.ai.mit.edu    * Albany,NY      * quote at a later date...  *
*                         * 12208          *                           *
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Date: 29 Mar 91 15:41:02 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!helps!uudell!fquest!mspa
 cek@arizona.edu (Mark Spacek)
Subject: Character sets?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
    I've never messed much with character sets on the ST.  Never had any
installed but the system default.  Never thought about it much.  UNTIL, a
guy showed me a little program the other day.  It was called MACINTOS, I
think.  It was like 4270 bytes long, went in his auto folder, and changed
the font to a Mac-type font.  It changed the font on the GEM menus on the
desktop and the font all through programs that were run.  So..
    I got to thinking about installing an ANSI character set to make a
VT-100 terminal work better with a PC ANSI BBS, etc.  So, I'd kinda like
to get some feedback about what character set editors are out there.
And do you need a utility to install them, or is it possible to make a
free-standing little program like the MACINTOS thingy that does it all?
Are there any collections of fonts floating around (like maybe with an
ANSI set?).  I did get the character set editor that came across
comp.binaries the other day.  Thats a start.  I guess send any info in
E-Mail, unless you think its something everyone would want to read.
    Thanks
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 15:51:25 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!helps!uudell!fquest!mspa
 cek@arizona.edu (Mark Spacek)
Subject: Character sets?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
mspacek@fquest.fidonet.org (Mark Spacek) writes:
>     I've never messed much with character sets on the ST.  Never had any
> installed but the system default.  Never thought about it much.  UNTIL, a
> guy showed me a little program the other day.  It was called MACINTOS, I
> think.  It was like 4270 bytes long, went in his auto folder, and changed
> the font to a Mac-type font.  It changed the font on the GEM menus on the
> desktop and the font all through programs that were run.  So..
>     I got to thinking about installing an ANSI character set to make a
> VT-100 terminal work better with a PC ANSI BBS, etc.  So, I'd kinda like
> to get some feedback about what character set editors are out there.
> And do you need a utility to install them, or is it possible to make a
> free-standing little program like the MACINTOS thingy that does it all?
> Are there any collections of fonts floating around (like maybe with an
> ANSI set?).  I did get the character set editor that came across
> comp.binaries the other day.  Thats a start.  I guess send any info in
> E-Mail, unless you think its something everyone would want to read.
>     Thanks
 
Uhh, regarding my just-now-posted message..  I forgot to mention that I
am using a mono monitor.  Thought that might make a difference.  I think
that Macintos program only runs on mono, but I'm not sure.  Sorry about
posting this twice like this....
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 23:16:45 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext!c
 huck@arizona.edu (charles bridgeland)
Subject: Character sets?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
mspacek@fquest.fidonet.org (Mark Spacek) writes:
 
>    I got to thinking about installing an ANSI character set to make a
>VT-100 terminal work better with a PC ANSI BBS, etc.  So, I'd kinda like
>to get some feedback about what character set editors are out there.
>And do you need a utility to install them, or is it possible to make a
------------------
        along the same line--is there any fast, easy, prepackaged way to get
Uniterm to use a more standard character set?
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
chuck bridgeland---anarchoRepublican
        --don't forget, we surround _them_, not the other way around"
chuck@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu     hire me so I can quit this pit.
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Date: 29 Mar 91 23:59:20 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!
 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: Character sets?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <chuck.670288605@mrcnext> chuck@mrcnext.uiuc.edu (charles bridgeland)
 writes:
>mspacek@fquest.fidonet.org (Mark Spacek) writes:
>>    I got to thinking about installing an ANSI character set to make a
>>VT-100 terminal work better with a PC ANSI BBS, etc.  So, I'd kinda like
>>to get some feedback about what character set editors are out there.
>>And do you need a utility to install them, or is it possible to make a
 
If you're a moderately competent programmer you can do this easily enough.
You can link the font data in with your program, which is what this MACINTOS
program you were talking about does.
 
>       along the same line--is there any fast, easy, prepackaged way to get
>Uniterm to use a more standard character set?
 
What do you mean by "more standard" ? Uniterm 2.0 does a full vt220
emulation; uses the standard vt series character set, and also comes with
the ISO 2022 character set. You can't get more standard than that. If
that's not a good enough answer for you, then redefine the question...
--
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
        Disclaimer: How would I know, I just got here!
 
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Date: 28 Mar 91 12:41:11 GMT
From:
 deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!elmar
 @decwrl.dec.com (Mohammad A. Rahin)
Subject: Closing Windows
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Organization : Loughborough University, UK.
Keywords:
 
In article <1991Mar26.120552.29295@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
 writes:
>> every once in an while I had the problem that a window wouldn't
>> respond the first time I clicked eg. the closer. I figured it was
>> a rare bug burried in GEM.
>>
>>
>> So the question is, if there is any way around this problem that one
>> has to click twice to close the window ? Do other people have this, too ?
>>
>
>
>I have the problem when I use VIP PROFESSIONAL;  I just keep clicking until
>it closes!!
>
>Steve Shawl
 
Propsero Pascal gives similar problem. I rather use  'close file' option from
the file menu. I've notified Prospero about the matter quite long ago and they
have not solved it in their latter versions.
 
Rahin
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 18:59:14 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!nj
 in!njitgw.njit.edu!mars.njit.edu!gaines@arizona.edu (Starman)
Subject: Dungeon Mater I for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
        The above says it all. $10 including shipping.
 
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"They can fly rings around the moon,          |          Mike
but we're years ahead of them on the highway" |   gaines@mars.njit.edu
===========================================================================
                        System 7 on an 800K floppy? HA!
===========================================================================
 
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Date: 30 Mar 91 00:47:44 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!uhccux!uhunix1.u
 hcc.Hawaii.Edu!kiki@arizona.edu
Subject: Excerpts from Gadgets' newletter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The following was excerpted from Gadgets by Small newsletter number five:
 
MegaTalk (SCSI and serial communications board)
-----------------------------------------------
     The Gadgets MegaTalk board is a multifunction expansion board for Atari
Mega ST computers.  MegaTalk plugs into the Mega's expansion slot, has two
serial ports and a Mac SCSI port...With our fully compatible BIOS drivers,
you can connect up to three serial devices to the ST at the same time.  For
instance, using Strata Softwares' STalker DA, we've connected three modems
to one ST, and connected to CompuServe, GEnie, and BIX - all at the same time!
     The MegaTalk is capable of exceptional speed - up to 921,600 baud (92,160
cps). The BIOS software which goes in your AUTO folder, allows ST software
at usual baud rates (110, 300, 600, 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600, 19,200).  You can
kick in second gear, starting with 38,400 and go to 57,600.  For those indus-
trial strength transfers, put it in overdrive and run at 230,400 baud (Apple-
talk speed), 460,800 or 921,000 baud!
     It is compatible with the upcoming TT high-speed serial port, and is
base on the same Zilog SCC chip.  If/when Atari releases a network for the TT,
MegaTalk should plug in; we already support the Atari Lan specification.  In
the meantime, we are providing info to Atari developers so they can adapt some
of the present ST networks to MegaTalk, to let you share resources (hard disks,
laser printers, etc.) between several machines.
     The MegaTalk ports are 100% Mac ready; you can plug straight into any Mac
peripheral.  It works like you think; plug in your Mac mini DIN-8 cables, run
Spectre 3.0, select "LaserWriter" from Chooser, and start printing.  Or plug
into a Mac network and use it, including file servers, LocalTalk Postscript
printers, and so on...
     In addition, for the first time ever, Mac MIDI programs now work with
Spectre GCR, with standard Mac MIDI interfaces.  We have tested both the Apple
and Passport MIDI interfaces, and they both work fine, as well as many popular
Mac MIDI programs, like Finale, Vision, Master Tracks Pro, and Beyond.
     The MegaTalk SCSI port has the same 25-pin connector you'd find on a Mac
Plus or any Mac.  Just plug in your Mac hard disk, and/or any other SCSI peri-
pheral and off you go.  It's that easy!
     Besides hard disk, we've also tested a ThunderWare LightningScan hand
scanner; it works fine.  And we've plugged in a Mac CD-ROM drive; we now have
gigabytes of Mac software handy.
     The MegaTalk retails for $299.95 each; a pair of MegaTalk boards retail
for $549; you save $50!
 
 
GBS SST030 (Motorola 68030 and 68881/68882 accelerator board)
-------------------------------------------------------------
     The SST is a 68030 processor accelerator and high-speed memory board for
the Atari ST.  The current board configuration is only for the Mega ST, which
has lots of inner space for the board (and more importantly, for the heat the
board generates).  By the way, we are planning a board for the "smaller" ST's.
     What's on the board:
 
          68030   : The speed of the '030 depends on how much you want to
                    spend.  We plan to sell the basic package with three
                    options: no 68030, or a 16 or 33 Mhz 68030.
 
          68881/2 : The SST also has a socket for a 68881/2 floating point
                    chip, which will radically accelerate programs that use
                    it.  The 33 Mhz option includes the 68882 coprocessor.
 
          SIMMs   : The board has eight SIMM sockets to allow you to add up
                    to eight megabytes of SIMM memory.  We offer two memory
                    options: no SIMMs or four one megabyte SIMMs.
 
          socket  : a 96 pin Euro-DIN expansion socket for add-on boards.
 
     If you run your programs in the low four megabytes of ST memory, they're
going to bog down to eight Mhz, period.  So we will provide a few utilities to
help you make sure your programs are running in "fastRAM" if you have it.  This
is the sort of thing where you put our program into the AUTO folder and forget
about it; it's easy to install.
     Along with the above-mentioned things, we also plan to include a 64-pin
socket, a spare 68000, TOS 1.6, a manual, a floppy, and a couple of other misc-
ellaneous items.  And, since eight meg of SIMMs pull lots and lots of power, we
may also end up including a power supply to handle the increased demand, but we
don't know for sure yet.
     We're going to market the SST in an upgradable configuration.  First, get
the basic package and a 16 Mhz 68030.  Later, add fastRAM for more speed.
Later, upgrade the 68030 to a faster model, and so forth.
     Installation requires the removal of the 68000 in your Mega ST, soldering
in a socket (which we include), and plugging in our board into the socket.  We
strongly encourage you to have your dealer install the SST; clipping and sol-
dering 64 pins on a Mega motherboard is not for novices.  For those of you
without local dealers, we are planning on having designated "authorized Gadget
dealers" who will install your SST in your Mega for you.
     The basic package SST without 68030, coprocessor, and SIMMs, is $599.
     Price of SST options:
 
        A: 16 Mhz 68030, $200
        B: 16 Mhz 68030 and 4 1MB SIMMs, $460
        C: 33 Mhz 68030, 68882 coprocessor, and 4 1MB (80 ns) SIMMs, $800
 
Planned availability of the SST '030 is April 1990.
For further information, contact:
 
        Gadget by Small, Inc.
        40 W. Littleton Blvd, #210-211
        Littleton, CO 80120
        (303) 791-6098  [Monday, Wednesday, Friday 8:30am-2:30pm MST]
        (303) 791-0253  [Fax, 24 Hours]
 
---------------------------[end of excerpt]------------------------------------
 
The size of the MegaTalk and SST '030 boards are estimated to be about 4"x5"
and 6"x6", respectively.  Other items covered in the newsletter include the
Spectre 3.0 (now with Atari TT/68030 and MegaTalk support, keyboard improve-
ments, French and German menu option, 1.44 meg floppy NOT supported yet, but
planned), and a compatibility list of about 450 Mac software.
 
 
Jack
 
 
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 17:09:37 GMT
From: CC.GATECH.EDU!dave@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Dave Aylesworth)
Subject: Help with MiNT and Neodesk
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I like using MiNT with the Background Program Desk Accessory
in GEM.  I now have NeoDesk, however, and would like to know how to
run MiNT from the AUTO folder and have MiNT run NEODESK (just like the
GEM.PRG program starts GEM and loads the D.A.).
        Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
-dave
 
AYLESWORTH,DAVID VINCENT
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:     ...!
Internet: dave@cc.gatech.edu
 
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Date: 28 Mar 91 21:53:13 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!execu!sequoia!uudell!fquest!
 mspacek@arizona.edu (Mark Spacek)
Subject: JRI RAM+ SIMM memory upgrade board disk (or info about) wanted..
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
    I bought a used JRI RAM+ SIMM memory upgrade board (type C) for my
1040STf and 2 1-meg SIMMs.  I bought it used from a local guy.  Anyway,
the disk that came with it had gotten trashed somewhere along the line.
He is gonna try and get another one for me.  In the meantime, I was
wondering if anyone out there could at least tell me what programs come
on the disk, and perhaps even UUEncode it and mail it to me.  I'm not
sure if its technically legal to do that.  I can't tell without looking
at the disk to see what restrictions are spelled out.  I doubt that
anyone should really care though.  What possible use could anyone that
didn't own a JRI board get out of it, and who would it hurt?  Anyway, any
help in E-Mail would be appreciated...
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 19:26:44 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu
 !utzoo!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura)
Subject: Mercury Authorship
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
     I'm a writer of Public Domain software.  The real thing.  I don't
release tons of source code every year, but I've put out more than most
other people in the world.  That's not a huge boast, it's more an
ironic joke.  The truth is that there isn't much real Public Domain
software released *anywhere* in the world at all.  I'm proud to say
that Henry Spence is the most prolific coder of Public Domain C that
I know of and he lives in my city (Toronto, Ontario, Canada).  Maybe
it has something to do with weather.  Anyway, for my own code, I don't
care if somebody strips off my "credits" and claims the code for
themselves.  Anybody who really wants to know if a piece of code is
mine can verify most of it.  Most of it has been recorded fairly permanently
on BIX and other fairly permanent installations.  The point of my
code is to help give people who use *my* code an "unfair advantage".
They make money?  Fine.  I expect to make my own money anyway on other
code I write.
 
     But all this is, unfortunately a rare attitude.  Most people who
"release" code put on all kinds of restrictions on usage and requirements.
I hate that.  If you want to add restrictions I think you should
keep your code off the Networks.  Maybe you can pass it around on
local BBS's, but Networks exist under and "understanding" that things
that are passed around are for *everybody's* benefit *equally*.
 
     Now, getting to the problem:  I've just started to look at the
source code to the Mercury UUCP clone with the intention of porting
it to Sozobon C.  Now, the author claims Copyrights and is distributing
as Shareware, with the usual beg for money.  Ok.  I'm not exactly keen
on Shareware, but it's fair enough generally.  I've paid some good
money to *some* Shareware authors already, despite the fact that my
own finances are pretty tight.  I appreciate hard work.  I should.
I've worked pretty hard myself.  But as I look at this Mercury package,
something strange stands out.  There are NO credits given to ANYBODY
else.  The author claims FULL ORIGINALITY of his code.  But when I
looked at a couple of the files, some of the code looked sort of
familiar.  Gee.  Didn't I see some of this before somewhere else?
 
     As I said before, speaking only for myself, I don't care if someone
strips off my credits regarding code that *I've* released to teh public
domain.  But if you do this to my "commercial" code I'll rip-your-lungs-out-
sucker!  And I generally go along with such sentiments in other peoples
works.  So here's my question:  Does anybody feel that the author of
Mercury has "illegitimately" removed credits of other peoples work?
IE: has he removed credits off code from programs written by other
people where the original authors specifically asked to keep their
credits?  If they didn't care, then I won't either, but if they did
care, well, I'll want to consider the matter before I send money. . . .
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
 
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 91 19:11:32 MEZ
From: Wolfgang Ley <BWWL%DCZTU1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: MIDIMAZE 2
To: Atari Discussion List <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
Hello!
 
I'm a great fan of MIDIMAZE 1. Now that there exists MIDIMAZE 2:
Where can I get a copy of the program?
Could someone send me the program?
Could someone upload Midimaze2 to atari.archive?
 
Thanks, Wolfgang
 
/*  BWWL AT DCZTU1.BITNET  (Wolfgang Ley)  */
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 00:14:27 GMT
From: hpda!hpcuhb!hpindda!goo@hplabs.hp.com (Michael Goo)
Subject: Problem using HP II P  laserprinter  with 104
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
in comp.sys.atari.st / heiden@kboeng.enet.dec.com (Matthias Heiden) /
7:19 am  Mar 27, 1991 / writes...
 
>While trying to print to an HP II P laserprinter using the parallel
>port I'm running into two annoying errors:
>       1.  The printer is only recognised by the system if:
>             first the printer is powered on and then the
>             system is booted.  This wouldn't be a problem,
>             but
>       2.   after some time without printing anything (around
>             20 - 30 minutes), the system just stops running.
>             System needs a reboot to come into live again.
>Does anybody made similar experience and found solutions to
>these problems ? My setup is:
>       1040 ST with  2.5 Mbyte , TOS 1.4, Neodesk 3.0,
>        SH204  and SM124
 
Hmmmmmm.  I have a similar setup and have not experienced any of the symptoms
you describe.  I can turn on the printer at any time, and it can sit around for
hours on end with no trouble.  My setup:
 
  520ST, TOS 1.4 (was 1.0 for awhile), 2 meg, 2 DS/DD, 65 Meg HD, Mono + Color,
  Neodesk 3.0, HP LJ IIP w/2.5 Meg
 
Your first problem sounds similar to problems reported by people using the
HP DeskJet printer.  There are several PD fixes available for this problem.
Ask around.
 
Your pal,
  Mike Goo
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 15:44:20 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!s
 pool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Response to Mr. Choi re: Notebook machines
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
MARK: KNOCK IT OFF, MR. KNOW-IT-ALL COLLEGE BOY.
 
A representative of Atari Corp. ought to be able to disclose information
about a new machine here without being rudely berated. This is Usenet, not
some user-fight BBS run by adolescents.
 
It's hard enough to get information out of Atari Corp.*  It doesn't help
when you go out of your way to make Atari folks feel unwelcome when they
do participate here. You're doing the longtime readers of this newsgroup a
serious disservice.
 
 
TRH: Thanks for the information and your participation.
 
---
 
*I'm still waiting for that TT press kit.
 
----
  Steve Yelvington / P. O. Box 38 / Marine on St. Croix, MN 55047 USA
  INTERNET: steve@thelake.mn.org    UUCP: plains!umn-cs!thelake!steve
  GEnie: S.YELVINGTO2               Delphi: YELVINGTON
 
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Date: 26 Mar 91 23:21:00 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mwowm!mathew@uunet.uu.net (mathew)
Subject: Standardized GEM look and feel
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1991Mar21.100227.13538@convex.com>, William Rosencranz writes:
>                         there is no real GUI standard like there is in
>the mac world or even the PC/windows world, i suppose. there is no what
>i would consider "look and feel" standard for gem applications, IMHO.
 
There are Look and Feel guidelines in the standard GEM Programmer's
Reference Manuals from Digital Research.
 
What do you expect?  Look-and-feel Police to strap you down and force you
to RTFM?
 
 
mathew
 
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Date: 29 Mar 91 14:22:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!waikato.ac.nz!comp
 .vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu
Subject: Switching A SS drive to DS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
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In article <8889@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> stevendd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doug
 Stevens) writes:
> I finally desided to upgrade my single sided drive, I just got the new drive
> today.  I thought all I had to was swap drives.  The plug from the small board
> in the drive case isn't the same as the one one the drive.  The connector on
 the
> board is for 14 pins, the drive connector is 34 pins.  I rember reading some
 of
> the early single sided drives used an old kind of connector (guess what kind I
> got).  If you know how to convert the plugs I would be very appreciative.
>
> Thanks.
> - Doug
 
 
Well you will find a small PCB with a CPU fitted on it, all this has
to be removed, and you relace this with the 34 IDC connector,
this CPU was a Atari copout for some drive that stept at 6 ms, the CPU
take the Atari 3 ms , step pulses and buffers things up and gives out
6 ms step pulses, Note, one other feature is that you can't go over
80 tracks with this CPU fitted, and there is no side select fitted
either.
So remove the lot, and wire the 34 pin connector to the Main PCB...
--
Roger W. Sheppard   85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
 
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1991 14:53 CST
From: FRASER@sask.usask.ca
Subject: TT pricing?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have been contemplating buying a TT, but the pricing I have been
quoted from my local dealer seems awful high (ca. $4300 Cdn.).  If
anyone has ACTUAL pricing out there please let me know.  I am really
interested in Canadian prices but it would be interesting to see what
the the TT costs around the world (if you know what the price is in
US$ it would be nice).
 
                                thanks,
                                       fraser@skyfox.usask.ca
 
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