Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 11 Dec 91       Volume 91 : Issue 654
 
Today's Topics:
                             Atari books
                          Ataris and modems
                             DC? (5 msgs)
                        Dungeon Master - HELP
                            Flavours of ST
                             MiNT request
                   New Replacement mice for the ST
                             PI2 pictures
                               Rufus106
                       Sozobon V2.0 crc fault??
                             SPECTRE GCR
             TOS 1.4 doesn't register double mouse click
                 using 4096 color palette on the STE
 
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Date: 10 Dec 91 05:35:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vu
 w.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Atari books
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <tdwpc93qpW.@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
> In <1991Dec08.155140.16158@actrix.gen.nz>, Roger Sheppard writes:
> >In article <51340@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
> >> Following up on the question someone asked about what Atari books are
> >> still available, it turns out I was wrong about Compute! Books dropping
> >> their entire Atari line.  They've only dropped most of them.
>
>       Bob, really, this is about all the books of any worth they produced.
> The others were real beginner level books, which were quickly put out
> of date by new magazine and new languages. After all, could you imagine
> a market for a book on programming in ST Basic?
>
> >
> >Some one else posted here about the TOS book and a 'C' book, with a phone
> >No. to bye them from, I have tried to order from 'Compute' before with out
> >any luck at all..
> >
> >Does any one know if the 'C' book is any good...?
>
>       The 'C' book is
>       Learning C
>       Programming graphics on the Atari ST
>       and Amiga.
>       ISBN 0-87455-064-5
>
>       It deals mainly with 3-d graphic programming in C and has a
> few good algorithms, but no Gem at all. Not a book for everybody,
> and making programs that were portable between the ST and Amiga
> invloved a bit of inelegant coding.
>       The initial shared library code is wrong in the book, so unless
> you want to learn C the hard way, it's not a beginners book.
>
> --
>               John Henders            jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
>               Vancouver,B.C
 
NOTE: THIS IS NOT THE BOOK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY POSTED, and not the book
that I was refering to..!!!..
 
Its a all new book on 'C', can the person that posted the info in the
past please post again...Thanks...!
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 14:15:51 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!act
 rix!Steve.Withers@arizona.edu (Steve Withers)
Subject: Ataris and modems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Can anyone tell me what sort of modem should be used with an Atari ST or other
Atari? I have an external 2400bps modem that has been used with an IBM
compatible PC. Can this modem be used with Atari computers? What special
adapters - if any - may be required? Who sells them? How much? Are the
voltages compatible?
 
Logically, I can't see why a Hayes compatible modem can't be used with any
computer that has the appropriate software. Am I correct in thinking that?
What comms software is available in the public domain for Ataris? Where can I
get it?  Can Ataris read DOS formatted 3.5" diskettes? I have been told I may
have to format a 720K, 3.5" floppy as a 360K, single-sided floppy. Is this
correct?
 
There are a lot of questions there, but If I can get the answers, I'll be able
to make a local Atari user a happy modemer - maybe.....
 
Please reply by mail. If there is interest, I'll post a summary.
 
Thanks
 
Steve
 
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Did you vote for them? I didn't vote for them. Did you vote for them?"
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz / swithers@tornado.welly.gen.nz
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 16:39:58 GMT
From: uvm-gen!griffin!pegram@uunet.uu.net (Robert B. Pegram)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
From article <1991Dec11.023518.12619@CS.ORST.EDU>, by thaanuj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU
 (John Thaanum):
> I would like to see something like this, with the entire character set,
> because I can never find the control-keys I want.  It would be rather
> cool to be able to access the characters for the fuji, Bob Dobbs, etc,
> without having to search all up and down the keyboard.
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
>
> --
>       +--------------------------------------------------------+
>          John Thaanum          thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu
>       "A better tomorrow takes your best today..."  -Triumph
>       +--------------------------------------------------------+
 
I have an old accessory that allows you to click in all extended
characters - I will check if it's free or shareware tonight.  If so,
I'll check for it on atari.archive and upload it if it isn't.
bye,
        Bob Pegram
--
pegram@uvm.edu
        or
.!uvm-gen!pegram
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 15:51:44 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!stl!dsbc!ozz!jas@uunet.uu.net (Jason Morris)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <200@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> you write:
> Jason Morris <jas@oasis.icl.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >   Have you considered how large a window containing the entire character set
> > would have to be. You could scale it down ad infinitum of course, but to be
> > able to accurately "type" on it there would be limits, and I think it would
 be
> > pretty big. Kind of makes it difficult to see the application you're using!
> >
>
> Oh, I don't know - how about this:
>
>        +------------------------------+
>        |1234567890-~  [shift button]|
>        |qwertyuiop@[  [alt button]  |
>        |asdfghjkl;:]  [ctrl button] |
>        |\zxcvbnm,./                 |
>        +------------------------------+
>
> ie, just one display of the keyboard. When the shift button is clicked, all
> the other keys change to their shifted values. Same with alt and ctrl.
> Maybe one extra key [ctrl character] which pops up a keypad to allow people
> to enter control characters by number.
>
> Steve
>
 
  I think you missed the key word "accurately". Sure you can make it that
small, but the closer the "keys" are to each other, the more mistakes you will
make, and the smaller you make the character icons, the more likely you are to
miss altogether. I'm talking about input at any kind of speed of course. If you
don't believe me, try reading comp.sys.palmtops sometime (I know you've got
nothing better to do Steve!).
  Of course, it may help the psychologically challenged such as yourself 8-).
 
  Just my 2 ECUs worth,
 
    Jas.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Jason Morris         jas@oasis.icl.co.uk           +44 344 424842 ext 2662 |
|     ICL Computers Ltd, BRA01, Lovelace Rd, Bracknell, Berks, England.      |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 HELLO, I'm a signature virus!  Join in the fun and copy me into yours!
 
  How did that get there?
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 16:02:28 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!stl!dsbc!ozz!srs@uunet.uu.net (Steve Strong)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Jason Morris <jas@oasis.icl.co.uk> writes:
>
>   I think you missed the key word "accurately". Sure you can make it that
> small, but the closer the "keys" are to each other, the more mistakes you will
> make, and the smaller you make the character icons, the more likely you are to
> miss altogether. I'm talking about input at any kind of speed of course. If
>
 
I wasn't intending that the characters be that size (refering to my lovely, but
alas deleted, diagram), just showing that it wasn't really neccesary to
have the whole character set displayed at once. By using the shift, alt and
control buttons, the display can be reduced in size by a factor of 4.
 
>> Jason Morris <jas@oasis.icl.co.uk> writes:
>>>                                                         vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>>>  Have you considered how large a window containing the entire character set
>>> would have to be.
>
 
Steve
 
>   Just my 2 ECUs worth,
>
>     Jas.
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Jason Morris         jas@oasis.icl.co.uk           +44 344 424842 ext 2662 |
> |     ICL Computers Ltd, BRA01, Lovelace Rd, Bracknell, Berks, England.      |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  HELLO, I'm a signature virus!  Join in the fun and copy me into yours!
>
>   How did that get there?
--
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Steve Strong - email srs@oasis.icl.co.uk      | Views expressed are not those
               voice 44 344 424842 extn 2279  | of ICL. I think.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HELLO, I'm a signature virus!  Join in the fun and copy me into yours!
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 16:39:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!linac!uchinews!spssig!bobh
 ays@arizona.edu (Bob Hays)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
And, to add on to Jason's last comment, did we forget about scrolling windows?
I knew we had... (done with my sweater on and my sneakers on my feet:-).
 
Size is not the issue, the issue is can a GEM app. be written that accepts
(probably) button presses and then translates them into the appropriate
key sequences for some program.  The appropriate questions in my book are:
 
1) Can keystrokes be forced to other applications that are running?
2) How can such a program be made useful, ie. perform a sequence of key events
and then pass the sequence to the program?  As an accessory, you have control
of horizonal and vertical - how can we get the key events out there?
3) And I am sure there are more:-)
 
But, size is not a problem.
 
Have fun! - Bob
--
=========================================================================
 The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
     bobhays@spss.com                         Phone: (312) 329-3522
     Bob Hays                                 Fax:   (312) 329-3657
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 18:21:03 GMT
From:
 cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@cs.roch
 ester.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: DC?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In-Reply-To:
References:
 
 
Sharon,
    Actually, as a pit student, I am sure you know that this is not at
all novel, but is the keycaps desk accessory for the mac. It is included
with every mac. Why, because it is USEFUL to be able to see what
characters are available in the extended character set, and because TOS
is retarded in regard to how these should be entered into text. The mac
is much more intelligent in this regard. There are da's for the Atari
that sort of do the job, but you have to enter ascii values.
    Did anyone think when they decided to do it this way. Computers are
for users, not programmers, and any programmer who designes software
that assumes the user is a computer wiz, deserves to go out of business
with a burst of flame. (except if they are making programming tools!)
Unfortunatly, much of the software for th ST falls into this catagory.
User unfriendly, yes, compared to the PC, GEM and TOS are far superior,
but it is 1991. Some folk claim about Apples thought police, but it
would have been nice if Atari and DRI had put a little work into this
regard so we would not have had kludgy interfaces like that for LDW
Power. There is nothing wrong with standard user interfaces across
programms, if they do not get in the way. If people followed the GEM
guidlines, the interface would not have gotten in the way. Unfortunatly
in the Atari market, too many maverick programmers decided to do it
their own way, and so a lot of the benefit of a GUI is tossed out the
window. Oh well.
 
mark
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 18:30:30 GMT
From: infonode!ingr!b11!jmack@uunet.uu.net (Cery McCormick)
Subject: Dungeon Master - HELP
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I got the book from E. Arthur Brown. It is very good. For each
level of the dungeon there are three levels of hints; depending upon how
much of a hint you want. The complete map of the dungeon is included
along with some excellent general guidelines (not cheating) for winning
the game.
        As for those pesky knights, those mon (sp?) level fireballs will
turn him into a pile of armour (I think). I know for a fact that I've
killed them by repeated swings of a sword.
 
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Date: 9 Dec 91 15:32:23 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!axion!tharr!mark.lowton@uunet.uu.net (Mark Powell)
Subject: Flavours of ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Chuck Grimsby wrote in <691852239.0@tdkt.kksys>:
>In a message of <Dec 02 14:31>, Neil Forsyth (1:282/31) writes:
> >In article <691329105.0@tdkt.kksys> Chuck.Grimsby@tdkt.kksys.com
> >(Chuck Grimsby) writes:
>>Nice list, 'cept that the original ST's had TV Modulators in them.  They went
>>out with the ST-F's, which were the next version after the original ST came
>>out.
> >We have a circa 1985 520 ST here with no internal disk drive and no
> >modulator either. The function keys are a slightly darker grey than the case
>I did a bit of checking through some old mags I have here, and you two are
>right, and I was wrong.  The original STs _did_not_ have RF Modulators in them
>or Floppy drives.  The original list _was_ correct.
>
>Sorry for the confusion.
 
I bought my ST in 1986 in the UK. It has no internal drive and no
modulator. However, it the manual that came with my ST, inside the back
cover, it gave a list of all the ST's available. The first ST in this
list is the 260ST with 256K of RAM. Did these things really exist?
Maybe Allan Pratt can comment?
 
BTW where is TOS 1.4 available from? I've been away from this group for
    about 18 months :-(
 
 
Mark Powell
 
UUCP:   mark.lowton@tharr.uucp
UK:     tharr!mark.lowton               or      tharr!lowton!mark
WORLD:  ...!uunet!mcsun!ukc!tharr!mark.lowton
Note:   you *must* put 'tharr' somewhere in the address. Thanks.
 
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Date: 5 Dec 91 22:36:50 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!axion!tharr!zebedee!geoffc@uunet.uu.net (Geoffrey Coan)
Subject: MiNT request
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <29302B04.12050@ics.uci.edu> jvance@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
(Joachim Vance) writes:
> >In article <1991Nov19.155121.291@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric
 Smith) writes:
> >>
> >>I'll be releasing my tcsh port Real Soon Now (I'll put it up for ftp on
> >>atari.archive).
> >
> >Yes!! :)  I've become a tcsh addict over the last two years, and I would love
> >to have it on my home machine.  Keep up the good work!
>
>   Here's a nod from me too!  I've been waiting for a tsch port for a long
 time.
> Oh what a wonderful thing it will be, to have tsch on my ST.  :)
>
I know this is a silly question, but what does tsch offer over more common
shells such as sh (Bourne shell), csh (C Shell) or ksh (Korn shell).  I've
been using the ksh on unix recently and I don't know how I ever did without
it - I believe there's a mint port at atari.archive - anyone know the name ?
 
I suppose the other question is, is tsch better (or worse) than ksh ?
 
Cheers
 
Geoffrey
--
are you ready to SKYDIVE ??                                       Geoffrey Coan
well all right then, if you say so ...        ..!ukc!axion!tharr!zebedee!geoffc
 
<- UUCP'd from my ST via tharr; *free* UK public access to Usenet 0234 841503 ->
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 18:59:09 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!isc-br!
 michaela@arizona.edu (Michael Albo)
Subject: New Replacement mice for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am posting this for a friend:
 
 
 
To any ATARI ST owner in need of a good replacement mouse for
their computer.
 
    Brand new Keytronic 2 button mouse - $25
 
 
call Jerry Shaw (509) 928-8009
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 07:35:01 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!tamuts!n160ao@arizona
 .edu (Mark Lehmann)
Subject: PI2 pictures
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have seen this question before, but I never saw an answer.
 
While I was desperately looking for a way to daisy chain two Supra
Hard drives, I found an old document refering to pictures that SUPRA
made.  These picutres are the figures for the Supra document.  Unfortunately,
I don't have DEGAS and I don't have a picture printing program.
 
Please E-mail me.
 
Thanks much,
Mark Lehmann
n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu
 
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Date: 10 Dec 91 05:46:51 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!waikato.a
 c.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Rufus106
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Well Rufus 106 will not work as a ACC, so what has gone wrong
with this patched version..??
 
All I get is bombs at boot up, was run from a Floppy with no Auto
programs and no othere ACC's ..What Gives..!!
 
 
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 18:46:14 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@a
 rizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Sozobon V2.0 crc fault??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <1991Dec11.142249.2194@darwin.ntu.edu.au>,
     topfm@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes ... ]
 
 > It is my UUDecoder that is reporting bad crc...
 
Once again, with feeling:
 
    UUENCODING/DECODING DOES NOT USE CRC'S.
 
If there's something bizarre about your decoder, move the files to your
ST, name them properly (or concatenate them into a single file, in the
proper order), and use UUCODER to decode them. Its error messages aren't
perfect, but they won't tell you something silly like "CRC error" when
there aren't any CRCs to check.
 
Here is how uuencoding works.
 
table
 !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?
@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]~_
~~
 \
  This is a translation table that helps data get through bad/stupid
  ASCII/EBCDIC gateways. Smart decoders check this table for damage.
  Stupid decoders ignore it.
 
begin 644 SCBIN20.LZH
 ~     ~   ~
 |     |    \filename
 |      \Unix permissions mask, ignored on the ST and PC
 \file begins
 
M'#\M;&@Q+0<=   O.@  D)QA%B  !D%2+E144* Q]FFQF'MBK!@R?:NNUC1=z
~~                                                          ~~
|\                                                         / |
| encoded data........................................... /  |
\Byte that encodes the line length                           |
                                                     sequence check
 
Many encoded lines follow, with sequence checks decrementing until they
hit 'a' and then rolling over to 'z' again.
 
The file may end with either an 'end' line, or a line that looks like
this:
 
include SCBIN20.uab
 
There are some antique decoders that do not handle the include
directive. If you have one such decoder, then you've just identified
a way to gain some disk space.
 
The encoded data is produced by using the following algorithm:
 
 
#define ENC(c) (((c) & 077) + ' ')
 
/*
 * output one group of 3 bytes, pointed at by p, on file f.
 */
outdec(p)
register char *p;
{
        register int c1, c2, c3, c4;
 
        c1 = *p >> 2;
        c2 = (*p << 4) & 060 | (p[1] >> 4) & 017;
        c3 = (p[1] << 2) & 074 | (p[2] >> 6) & 03;
        c4 = p[2] & 077;
        putc(ENC(c1), outp);
        putc(ENC(c2), outp);
        putc(ENC(c3), outp);
        putc(ENC(c4), outp);
}
 
In English: What you're doing here is taking a group of three bytes,
spreading their bits out across a set of four bytes so that you have
four nice, low binary numbers, then adding the value of a space -- the
lowest printable character -- to each result. This gives you four
printable text characters where you used to have three (possibly
unprintable) binary values.
 
Decoding simply grabs four bytes, subtracts ' ' from each value, and
shoves the bits together into three bytes, restoring the original
binary data.
 
There is hardly any error-checking in this process.
 
Recent variations of uue/uud pay attention to the last byte in the line,
and expect it to be part of a consistent sequence. I believe that most
uudecoders also pay attention to the line length encoded in the first
byte of the line, so a line that has been shortened by a transmission
error may produce an error message.
 
Either way, the data segment may be garbled with no effect on the
decoder so long as the line length isn't affected.
 
If you have a bad file, you can get a retransmission by dealing
with archive-server@twitterpater.Eng.SUN.COM -- if you can get
through. The eng.sun.com domain seems to be dead at the moment. :-(
 
 --
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota     <steve@thelake.mn.org>
 I ate two helpings of lutefisk ... and lived to tell the tale.
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 18:59:44 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.c
 so.uiuc.edu!roma!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro)
Subject: SPECTRE GCR
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <JARTSU.91Dec10051902@nic.funet.fi>, jartsu@nic.funet.fi (Jartsu)
 writes:
 
|> > I have a 520ST upgraded to 2.5 Meg and am considering adding the Spectre.
|>
|> You will soon run out of memory...
 
I disagree.  I have 2.5 Meg in my machine, and with Spectre I typically have
Multifinder plus three other programs running simultaneously.  Rarely do you
need more than three apps in memory at once.  DTP prog, plus paint prog, plus
terminal for background download, for example.  I would like 4Meg, but it is
purely a luxury now.  Some of the big mac paint programs want 1.5-2M, but
 without
color there isn't much advantage to using these instead of a 600K paint program.
 
--Bill
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 12:07:58 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!yorkohm!minster!mjl-b@uunet.uu.net
Subject: TOS 1.4 doesn't register double mouse click
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <jmw.692327091@lad> jmw@lad.med.utas.edu.au (John Mark Williams)
 writes:
>Now that I've _finally_ upgraded to TOS 1.4 I discover that anything
>resembling a double mouse click in my sequencer, Steinberg Pro-24, gets
>interpreted as two separate single clicks. This renders large portions
>of the program unusable. At current prices it would be cheaper to buy
>another computer to run Pro-24 on rather than buy a new sequencer, like
>C-Lab or Cubase, but it'd be simpler if there was some workaround or fix.
>Can anyone help?
 
TOS 1.4 mouse response is much faster than in 1.0 or 1.2. In order to get
around the slowness of waiting for a double click pre TOS 1.4, some programs
set the double click speed to its highest value. On TOS 1.4, this means that
you have to double click _extremely_ quickly (I have a card game program
that has this problem).
 
I think that this is what is happening with Pro-24 -- have you called
Steinberg and asked for help?
 
>John M Williams, Faculty of Medicine, University of Tasmania
>J.M.Williams@med.utas.edu.au
 
Mathew
 
| Mathew Lodge              | "Baldrick, are the words 'I have a cunning plan' |
| mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk  |  heading towards this conversation with ill      |
| Summer: lodge%alsys@uknet |  deserved confidence?" -- Blackadder III         |
 
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Date: 11 Dec 91 16:17:07 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!stl!dsbc!ozz!srs@uunet.uu.net (Steve Strong)
Subject: using 4096 color palette on the STE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Frank.Moehle@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Moehle) writes:
> sslee@micromed.net.netcom.com (Steven Lee) writes:
>
> >Is there a program available (PD or commercial) that will
> >    1.  Display GIF pictures using the 4096 color palette on the STE
> >    2.  Display Spectrum pics using the 4096 color palette
> >    3.  Convert GIF pics to Spectrum format using 4096 color palette
>
> dmj_gif version 2.0 from atari.archive.umich.edu will at least serve point
> 1 and 3 , maybe also 2, from your list
 
Does this program:
a. Dislpay the GIF using 16 colours from the choice of 4096 or 512 colours
   from 4096 in Spectrum format
or
b. Use all 4096 colours (if needed) on the screen at once?
 
Steve
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