Info-Atari16 Digest         Sun,  8 Dec 91       Volume 91 : Issue 644
 
Today's Topics:
                   1040st w/ color monitor (CHEAP!)
      Atari Chicago Show...if you want details Mail me. (2 msgs)
                             Atari Spirit
                        ATARIs videogame-image
               Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
                       Atari Transputer System?
                      GDOS Fonts for HP DeskJet
                        MEGA STE RAM EXPANSION
                           Rufus 1.06 & sz
                 SETTING SEEK SPEED FOR 1.44MB DRIVE
                         Street Racer for ST?
                     Weekly Posting of New Stuff
                 Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product
 
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Date: 7 Dec 91 19:16:51 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!
 uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!mpl44572@arizona.edu (Ender)
Subject: 1040st w/ color monitor (CHEAP!)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
1040st with 1 meg of ram, TOS 1.0.  Mouse and drisk drive have worked
flawlessly for years, same with the monitor.
 
I'm asked ONLY $400. (The cheapest I HAVE seen on here)
 
I'll pay 1/2 for shipping.
 
Mark Lupescu
 
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Date: 7 Dec 91 22:59:11 GMT
From: umich!gumby!obryan@yale.arpa (Mark O'Bryan)
Subject: Atari Chicago Show...if you want details Mail me.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Nov26.130633.18599@doug.cae.wisc.edu> carter@cae.wisc.edu
 (Gregory Carter) writes:
>
> Well, the UNIX was rather interesting.  I say I WAS AGHAST Atari was
> there in such STAFF NUMBERS...
 
Aghast - definition: frightened, horrified.
 
Why would seeing lots of Atari staffers scare you?  Were you afraid
that if there was some disaster that a large portion of their man-
power would be eliminated?
 
> When I seen the Unix, I thought another machine was running it!  But,
> it appears that they do have a beta version with X, along with Atari's
> own version of a widget toolset, for user interface construction and
> rapid prototyping.
 
It was XFacemaker2, by a 3rd party, not "Atari's own version".  One
weird thing about the Motif-based UI running on the Unix TTs that both
Charles Johnson and I noticed was the mouse tracking.  It seemed both
sluggish and jumpy at the same time (even after disabling some running
processes).  We didn't find out why, but it was definitely different
from normal GEM mouse tracking feel.
 
Regarding MultiGEM:
 
> Many people bought many copies of this product...it went like HOT CAKES,
> and the upgrade policy is second to NONE.  But I suppose thats because
> its a European Company...(Remik Enterprises).  I am always impressed
> with German/UK Software developers.  Hard Working folks they ARE.
 
What is their upgrade policy that is second to none?  I'm curious because
Paradigm has been putting out 3 updates a year to our Omni-Banker ST
universal MIDI librarian, since it was introduced in 1987.  Support has
grown from 30 some instruments to over 280 devices (more than any other
librarian product, running on any computer), plus loads of new features,
and we've never charged anything more than a nominal shipping fee.
 
[Also, Rimik Enterprises is not a "European Company", it's a US developer
(Richard Betson) who is importing a product from Germany, developed by
PAM Soft.]
 
I too am frequently (although not uniformly) impressed with German/UK
software developers.  But are you implying that US developers are any
less hard working?
 
> Lots of great deals on computer equipment at the swap floor, and vendors
> were selling tons of software for $5-$2000 range...I think most of them
> were laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Once again, I'm confused.  "Laughing all the way to the bank" generally
has a negative connotation to it.  Do you feel that they were taking
advantage of people, or ripping them off in some way?  Or have you just
not said what you meant (or meant what you said)?
 
> Atari was there in full force, they supported vendors probably for the
> first time with any kind of machine requirements they needed.
 
There was definitely strong Atari support, however, this was far from the
"first time" they have supplied lots of machines for developer booths.
There were certainly more TTs and 19" monitors there than I've ever seen
in one place before.  I remember going to the Toronto show back in May,
and being disappointed that there wasn't a single 19" monitor in sight.
An impressive showing.  Hopefully, Atari will feel that it was worth the
effort.
 
--
Mark T. O'Bryan                 Internet:  obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, MI  49008
 
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Date: 8 Dec 91 03:52:25 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!umich!gumby!obryan@arizona.edu
 (Mark O'Bryan)
Subject: Atari Chicago Show...if you want details Mail me.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Dec7.225911.21484@gumby.cc.wmich.edu> obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu
 (Mark O'Bryan) writes:
>
> One
> weird thing about the Motif-based UI running on the Unix TTs that both
> Charles Johnson and I noticed was the mouse tracking.  It seemed both
> sluggish and jumpy at the same time (even after disabling some running
> processes).  We didn't find out why, but it was definitely different
> from normal GEM mouse tracking feel.
 
As Greg Lindahl pointed out (in private e-mail) this jumpiness is
common behavior for X-based workstations.  In case anyone was con-
fused, my "weirdness" comment was in comparison to tracking in GEM.
I suppose this is an apples/oranges thing, but it was the first
thing we noticed about it.
 
--
Mark T. O'Bryan                 Internet:  obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, MI  49008
 
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Date: 7 Dec 91 19:57:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgu
 di.oar.net!yfn.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!ndsuvm1!mtus5!jjmcwill@arizona.edu
 (Jeff McWilliams)
Subject: Atari Spirit
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <walshm.691968554@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>,
walshm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Matt 'MTM' Walsh) says:
>
>How about the co-processor? anyone buy the fast chip and install it?
>I did, but it didn't seem to do anything.  The games were fun and
>the programming was unburdened by the loads of complexity and extremeness of
>size in today's computers.  Anyone ever try the 'self-destruct' program
>in one of the last issues of AnALOG?
>
>I just think it's too bad that my Mac IIcx can't be a Atari 800 that
>runs at 33 mhz, can easily address 16 MB or more, and have lots of
>colors.
>
>--
>Matt Walsh  walshm@clutx.clarkson.edu
>614-424-4159 (daytime)
>614-538-9427 (after 5 est)
>How can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat? You! Yes You!
 
I think the coprocessor chip you were referrring to was the Newell
fastchip floating point chip.  It is available for the 800XL/XE types
as well, as I have it implemented in the OmnimonXL and Omniview 256
chip.  It was basically a rewrite of the OS floating point math routines
which resulted in about a 30% increase in speed when using math
intensive software.
 
The self destruct program appeared in an April issue of Analog
a while back, and was meant as an April fool's joke.  It did look great
though.  A few issues after that, angry people sent in letters asking why
anyone would ruin their atari like this, it didn't actually do anything
to the computer, turn it off and on again and it worked fine!
 
 
Jeff McWilliams
JJMCWILL@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU
GEnie:  J.MCWILLIAM3
"Atari 8-bit die hards never run out of power"
 
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Date: 5 Dec 91 17:21:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.o
 rg!artcom0!hb.maus.de!wue.maus.de!Thorsten_Dietrichkeit@arizona.edu (Thorsten
 Dietrichkeit)
Subject: ATARIs videogame-image
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
g>Its pretty bad when Atari doesn't even have a video game reputation in
g>the states (compared to nintendo, Sega et. al.)
 
Does Atari USA advertise Videogames? Here they don't. By the way,
I don't regard the VCS 2600 as a real competitor to Sega and Nintendo but
Lynx is better then the Gameboy.
 
Thorsten Dietrichkeit
- germany -
 
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Date: 7 Dec 91 15:27:05 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jppg97
 64@arizona.edu (John Paul Pietrzak)
Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <95dy02Ls05Wo01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
 writes:
>In article <1991Nov29.142127.25333@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jppg9764@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
 (John Paul Pietrzak) writes:
>>NeXT's most competitive pricing occurs with the base NeXTstation, which
>>has the '040, 8 megs of RAM and a 105 meg HD, at $3498.  Although this
>>would normally be a serious contender to the market which Atari seems
>>to be aiming for, the 105 meg HD severely constrains the applications
>>which you can run, as the operating system will take up much of that
>>space.  You (apparently) almost have to purchase another 100-200 megs
>>of HD storage in order to run it comfortably as a stand-alone unit.
>
>Come on now.  Any UNIX system running a GUI will need 200-300megs of
>disk space to run well.  This is not exclusive to NeXT.
 
Well, if it's alone.  On a network, however, you can just keep all your
data off somewhere else, and have a minimum amount of software kept
locally (as a "diskless" or "dataless" client).  A machine on a network
can work even without any hard drives at all.
 
>>Also, the NeXTstation has no slots, presumably as it is meant mainly for
>>being part of a network (You connect all your devices to the server, and
>>have the nodes of the network send their data to it).
>
>Not really true.  What kind of devices do you want to connect?
 
The NextDimention board!!! :) :)  Actually, I suppose one could live
life without add-on boards, but being a happy hacker, I'd prefer to
be able to add on co-processor boards and other such equipment
without buying a new machine.
 
>>I think Atari can compete successfully with people who prefer an even
>>lower-priced Unix workstation than NeXT offers.
>
>I don't think so.  Atari has no machine that has the performance.  Don't
>forget UNIX itself will cost money.
 
Depends on whether Atari decides to act like a workstation company or
a PC company.  IBM and Apple sell Unix; Sun, NeXT, DEC, HP, etc. give
it away free with the box.  And with respect to performance, I've spent
most of the last three years working on 68020 Unix boxes (Sun 3/60s).
They're manageable under X windows.
 
John "I'll probably end up just saving my money anyway" Pietrzak
 
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Date: 7 Dec 91 13:43:21 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Iain Laskey)
Subject: Atari Transputer System?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Been and gone! It was created by Atari UK and a firm called Perihilion (or
something like that). Initially known as Abaq, later as the ATW.
It featured superb graphics with a multitude of associated hardware.
The OS was an existing multitasking one for transputers, right now the name
escapes me!
There were 'farm cards' available to add multiple transputers. I believe
machines running 80+ mips were around.
Cost? about 5000 sterling from memory. Most went to Universities and Atari UK
still have a few in stock apparantly.
I saw one at a show (tower case) attached to a pile of Kodak gear that scanned-
 
in 35m pictures and allowed you to cut/paste/merge the images and then reprint-
 
the finished output with no discernable loss of quality.
It was out about 1988 and was halted early this year as far as I know. It may
still be available in Europe though.
 
  ###############################
  # Iain R Laskey               #
  # ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk #
  ###############################
 
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Date: 8 Dec 91 00:45:09 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!csi.uottawa
 .ca!news@arizona.edu (Christopher Browne)
Subject: GDOS Fonts for HP DeskJet
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Some of the burning questions of the week:
 
Can one get GDOS fonts/drivers for the HP DeskJet?  I got a bunch of
GDOS stuff with LDW Power, including drivers for Atari SLM, some Atari
dot matrix printer, and the standard Epson driver.  Unfortunately, DJ
stuff was not included (alas! :-)).
 
Are drivers available anywhere?  Do I need to buy FSM-GDOS?  Can I get
something free (good luck, Chris...)?
 
As a slightly related item, I seem to remember seeing an article about
some CPX for doing DJ setup.  I think it was commercial.  Has anybody
used it?
 
Do I ask too many questions?  Can anybody guess what product I might
have on order?
--
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
 
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 91 10:36:19 SST
From: "S. Suthipuntha" <AKISUJAR%NUSVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: MEGA STE RAM EXPANSION
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Greeting from Singapore,
 
I will be getting a  2MB Mega STe next month. Thus I have a few
questions about this computer:
 
1.   What is the maximum limit RAM size that the Mega STe MMU can
     address? Can I replace its 1MB SIMMS with 4 pieces of 4MB
     SIMMS cards to get 16MB?
 
2.   I notice (from its picture in the magazine)  that there is a
     DIP switch at the lower right corner of its mother board. Is
     this the switch that can be set to use 1.44MB floppy disk
     drive? If it is, what is the correct setting?
 
3.   Is the 1.44MB formatter included in the TOS 2.05 (hopefully
     comes with the MEGA STe that I will get) or I still have to
     use other formatter programs to format 1.44MB?
 
Would some kind soul enlighten me please.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Suthipuntha, School of Architecture,
             National University of Singapore
             AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET
 
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Date: 8 Dec 91 04:58:37 GMT
From: olivea!bu2.bu.edu!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!selick@ames.arpa (Steven Selick)
Subject: Rufus 1.06 & sz
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Just thought I'd say that I just got rufus 1.06 and think it's great!
But it won't automatically start up zmodem receive. It used to in 1.4...
Hmmmmmmmmm...
 
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 91 10:38:25 SST
From: "S. Suthipuntha" <AKISUJAR%NUSVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: SETTING SEEK SPEED FOR 1.44MB DRIVE
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Greeting from Singapore,
 
I have installed a 1.44MB disk drive to my Mega 4 and have been
asking for the program to set the drive seek speed or step rate to
6 that will work with TOS 1.4 but never receive any response.
 
All along I have to boot the CLI program and type in the command
line: STEP 6 to change step rate then exit CLI to GEM desktop. Now
I have found more convenience way of working with 1.44MB drive as
follows:
 
1.   Obtain the FCOPYPRO(fessional) program (no it's not a PD) and
     config it to have drive A: as Destination drive and set step
     Rate for A: to 6 and leave the step rate for B: at 3 and save
     this Configuration. I have the 1.44MB drive inside the Mega 4
     and have the 720KB external drive. I have to set A: as the
     destination drive to be able to format the diskette in A: as
     the FCOPY will sensibly refuse to format the source drive.
 
2.   Putting FCOPYPRO.PRG in the hard disk and set its to Auto
     boot under 'Install Application' menu in TOS 1.4 or put it in
     AUTO folder for the older TOS. The FCOPYPRO will boot up as
     an opening screen every time the computer is turn on its menu
     looks quite attractive anyway. FCOPYPRO will automatically set
     disk drive  step rate to the correct 6 and 3 and ready to
     format the new disk. It just a matter of clicking QUIT button
     to go to other programs if you don't want to format disk or copy
     files between 2 drives.
 
I know that this is not a perfect solution but it is easier than to
go to CLI and exit. I probably have to make do with COPYPRO until
some kind soul would post the suitable SEEK6 program to the NET or
the archive.
 
Hope this would be useful to other netters who are facing the same
problem like myself.
 
Suthipuntha, School of Architecture,
             National University of Singapore
             AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET
 
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Date: 7 Dec 91 14:38:44 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!w
 su-cs!vela!swood@arizona.edu ( EVENSONG)
Subject: Street Racer for ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Is the game street racer available for the ATari?  My brother has an IBM, and
that games is sweet...
 
swood
 
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Bitnet:         swood@Oakland                   | swood@unix.secs.oakland.edu
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Date: 7 Dec 91 14:51:24 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!news.claremont.edu!elroy.jpl.
 nasa.gov!@arizona.edu (Atari Archive Robot)
Subject: Weekly Posting of New Stuff
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
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Date: 7 Dec 91 15:54:59 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.e
 du!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jppg9764@arizona.edu
 (John Paul Pietrzak)
Subject: Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <9999@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
 
>You can buy a new Mac IIci with A/UX for the same price as a TT030
>with say 20 megs of ram and their ASV package. And with the Mac IICi
>you can run A/UX in color. Try that with the TT030/ASV combo. Of course,
>these prices are USA prices. I don't know what the relative costs
>are in Europe.
 
Hmm, I wonder just how much ram/HD space you get with that IIci you just
bought, considering that Apple still has about 4 meg of ram and 80 meg
HD standard, whereas you have on the TT that 20 megs of ram you bought,
along with the 200 meg HD that ASV came on.  I get the feeling that
ASV will be running more comfortably than A/UX in this situation...
 
>So, yes, not being able to run TOS/GEM programs from within ASV is a serious
>drawback. Especially since you won't see anything to replace
>PageStream or Calumus under ASV for the forseeable future.
 
Hmm, perhaps you could get by with TeX?  GhostScript?  PSfig?  Nroff/troff/
eqn/tbl/etc. ?  Although not nearly as nice and graphical as PageStream
or Calamus, they can get the job done.  And, you can always boot the
machine up in TOS mode if you really need to.
 
John "Don't sneeze at Unix (ah.. Ah.. AH-CHOOO :)" Pietrzak
 
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