Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon,  5 Aug 91       Volume 91 : Issue 421
 
Today's Topics:
                    **FREE** back issues of ST-Log
                                <None>
                     AMIGA BURNED UP MY PRINTER!
                            Atari CD-ROM?
                     DVI Driver for LaserJet III
                           Epstart for sale
                            FAX for the ST
                                games
                                 gcr
                    Help with UIC transfers to ST!
                    Idea for a program (maybe DC?)
                Laser C source level debugger (2 msgs)
                    Macintosh Emulators for the TT
                               notebook
                PCT 1424 (was: Re: TT with Multisyncs)
                           piracy (2 msgs)
                         SCSI Tape Streamers
                       Wanted: Atari ST system
                               Zoo 2.1
               ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me..... (3 msgs)
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 19:25:42 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagb
 ard!sunic!ericom!exurchn1.ericsson.se!news@arizona.edu (James Hague)
Subject: **FREE** back issues of ST-Log
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have just run across the following back issues of ST-Log in
my plethora of Atari stuff:
 
Issue 10, January 1987
Issue 11, February 1987
Issue 12, March 1987
Issue 14, May 1987
Issue 15, June 1987
 
These are all in good condtion and still have covers, etc--which is
not surprising since I never owned an ST (but I was planning on it back
then).  I just can't bring myself to throw them out so I'm giving each
issue away for a 9x12 SASE (use an old issue or similar sized magazine
to figure the postage).  Just let me know which issue(s) you are
interested in and I'll reserve it for you.  If you want the whole lot I
can also work out a special deal.
 
--
James Hague
exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se
Yes, my address ends with ".se," but I'm in Texas, not Sweden.
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 19:38:35 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!memstvx1!utkcs2!hydra3b.cs.utk.edu!gathings@arizona.edu
 (Golando Gathings)
Subject: <None>
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I have the following system for sale :
 
Atari ST with, external drive, mono monitor, TOS and various software,
 
        asking $300 (price includes shipping ).
 
Thanks
Golando
 
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Date: 05 AUG 91 11:12:12 CDT
From: Z4516356 <Z4516356%SFAUSTIN@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: AMIGA BURNED UP MY PRINTER!
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
      Please excuse if this is a repeat, but I have had no replies.
I hooked up an Amiga computer to the same printer that I have faithfully
used with my 520ST.  The cable that I used was the same cable and one
that I have also used with an IBM.  I thought that the Amiga ports
were the same as the 520ST's ports when hooking up things like modems
and printers.
      Upon hooking up the printer and powering everything up, I lost
both the printer and the Amiga.  The Amiga won't boot anymore and
the NX 10 printer won't work with my 520ST anymore.  I have tried
another cable.  Now I have fried my printer by using this Amiga junk
with I thought could use regular printers.  At least my 520ST still
works.  Has anyone had any problems like what I experienced?  I
really thought the Amiga had standard ports.
      All I wanted to do was to compare WordPerfect Amiga with
WordPerfect Atari ST.
 
JOE MARK <Z4516356@SFAUSTIN.BITNET>
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 17:47:52 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au!csv.viccol.edu.au!gjocc@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Atari CD-ROM?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  Is anything happening these days with the Atari CD ROM?
  Last I heard was that certain dealers (in Australia anyway) could
  sell you one, but there isn't much software available.
 
  What can you do with an Atari CD ROM?
 
  I know it supports a number of international CD ROM formats, does anyone
  have the details?
  My specfic interest is getting the CD ROM version of the Oxford Dictionary
  for my wife one of these days. (Sure don't have room for a paper copy)
 
  I noticed with interest the release of the CDTV from Commodore.
  I have seen magazine articles on computer games in development for the
  CDTV, that sound very impressive.
  Commodore seem to be pushing this multi-media hype stuff pretty hard,
  if it catches on I could be persuaded to by a CDTV for the mega games
  that will be available.
  (I am not a one-eyed Atari supporter :-))
 
  It seems to me that a STE with CD-ROM and the right software could
  perform similar functions.
 
  Atari had a chance to be a front runner in this field but they may have
  missed the boat. (Sounds like a familiar story/whinge?)
 
  Sorry for mentioning the dreaded C= :-).
 
  The ST still has quite a few advantages for me (SM124 monitor, MIDI ports
  and software). I will be hanging on to it anyway.
 
 
Greg O'Sullivan
(gjocc@viccol.edu.au)
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 09:05:00 WET DST
From: "Brian" <gladman@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk>
Subject: DVI Driver for LaserJet III
To: "info-atari16" <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
I wonder if anyone can point me to a source of a DVI driver for the ST/TT
driving a HP LaserJet III printer? I have tried a Deskjet Driver but this
does not work. Alternatively does anyone know where either the DVI file
specification or the source code of a generic (or LaserJet!) DVI driver
might be found? I can go via GHOSTSCRIPT but outputting TeX material is
contorted enough already without adding further stages!
 
                 Brian Gladman         gladman@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 20:08:08 GMT
From: galileo.cc.rochester.edu!news@cs.rochester.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----)
Subject: Epstart for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have an Epstart, an Epson printer driver for Macintoch for sale.
This is a Magic Sac version which can be used on Magic Sac and
Spectre GCR and perhaps Spectre 128 (I have never try it on S 128).
Please make an offer if you are interested.
 
Thanks.
 
..
   Ling Cherd
lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
lchd_ltd@db1.cc.rochester.edu (bitnet)
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 05:12:23 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au!juno!bmw@uunet.uu.net (Robert
 Woodcock)
Subject: FAX for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I need a program that will send FAX info through a Maestro modem. It comes
with a version for MAC and PC but not for the ST. Does anyone have one or
know how I might write one. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
 
                Thanks in advance
 
                        Rob
                        Email: bmw@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:30 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.
 edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck
 Schul)
Subject: games
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
whats new in europe?
----
ProLine:  chuckie@pro-odyssey
Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
ARPA:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:31 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.
 edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck
 Schul)
Subject: gcr
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
when will it ever run system 7,it says alot for compatibility makes me glad
i was not STUCK with one!
----
ProLine:  chuckie@pro-odyssey
Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
ARPA:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 15:20:46 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u43610@ar
 izona.edu
Subject: Help with UIC transfers to ST!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Are there any users who use UCVM (University of Illinois @ Chicago) as the netn
ode to vcarious bases?  I can't seem to figure out how to transfer from the UIC
VM to my home unit..  Anyone can help?  U43610@uicvm.uic.edu
-
Ken.
 
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Date: 2 Aug 91 13:18:42 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu
 !yale.edu!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!grasp1!frmug!elrond@arizona.edu (Bertrand
 Petit)
Subject: Idea for a program (maybe DC?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <19468@helios.TAMU.EDU>, r_gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu (The Pendragon)
 writes:
> I just thought of a neat idea for a program.  Maybe it already exists and
> if so, if someone would point me in the right direction, I would appreciate
> it.  What I need is a Quota program for my HD.  It would tell me how much
> of the disk is used, and maybe break it down with a bar graph for each
> partition.  I hate having to do a 'show info' for each partition individually
> then whip out the old calculator.  I have a Syquest drive and ICD Host,
> if it makes a difference.
>
 
        You just have to use the 'df' command of any shell.
 
 
 
--
|    Bertrand Petit          |         Signature is under construction         |
|    alias                   |                                                 |
|    >Elrond le demi-Elfe<   |         Be sure to wear your helmet             |
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 11:20:45 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce!goanna!sheoak!781105@uunet.uu.net (t.knipe)
Subject: Laser C source level debugger
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1702.289807ad@sleepy.bmd.trw.com> jharres@sleepy.bmd.trw.com writes:
>I am using Laser C for software development and am considering buying their
>source level debugger.  So, a few questions:
>  1. Is it worth $49?
 
Yup.
 
>  2. Does it have seperate source and program output windows?
 
Nope.  It uses separate "screens" for program output and debugging
output.  You can flip between them at will.
 
>  3. Is it a true source level debugger (or just a claim)?
 
Yup.  My version gets a bit confused in some if/if/else situations
where I've left out some braces.  eg.
 
  if( var == var1 ) {
    if( var2 ) {
        statements
        statements
        }
    else
        statement
    }
 
The compiler does not get similarly confused.  This can be avoided
by including braces all the time.
 
 
I have found Laser DB to be invaluable.  It has some problems with
programs which crash after allocating memory (and not deallocating
it) I think, but it might have been something else.  It is fast and
easy to use.
 
They have re-written the OS-like routines that the debugger uses,
such as graphics, windows and mouse handling (so as not to interfere
with your program), and is therefore robust.
 
-----
 
Tim Knipe
781105@sheoak.bcae.oz
781105@redgum.bcae.oz  <-- try this if 'sheoak' bounces
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 09:15:02 GMT
From:
 math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!faui09!mlkaaden@uune
 t.uu.net (Michael Kaaden)
Subject: Laser C source level debugger
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes:
 
>       Laser C's debugger works in color, which is one of the reason's I
>won't be switching to Turbo C in the near future. You need Laser C 2.1 or
>higher to use the debugger, and 2.2 or higher to work with Tos 1.4. The
>2.2 shell is still crash-prone though, and I recommend using a command
>shell instead.
 
>--
>          John Henders                      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
>          Vancouver,B.C                     or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
 
  Well, PureC's debugger is able to be switched to VDI-mode. This means: If
you want it to, it uses VDI-calls, not it's own GEM-a-like calls.
  I like Turbo C, and this was the one and only point I did not appreciate.
--
Michael Kaaden                 mlkaaden@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Computer Science Student         "For every problem there is one solution
Rettystr. 20                      which is simple, neat, and wrong."
W-8500 Nuernberg 30, Germany      H. L. Mencken
--
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 18:08:33 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!quest!sch
 aper@arizona.edu (Steve Schaper - SSB)
Subject: Macintosh Emulators for the TT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
o
  Have aquired an IBM 0665 5.25" full-height 40 meg, MFFM, rll capable
 machanism.  Attempted format with ICD's software, worked fine until verigy -
 then got seek errors, tried 1,2,3,4,5 for seek rates. Adaptec 4000 controller.
 Does anyone happen to know the proper parameters for this mechanism?  It was
 manufactured at teh IBM plant in Rochester Mn in 1988, highest factory detected
 error is head 6 cyl 683.
 
  If anyone wants to tell me how to edit the subject header in trn and vi go fir
  right ahead and tell me!
 
  Steve
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:24 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.
 edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck
 Schul)
Subject: notebook
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
when is the note book due for a us release?where is atari usa when you need
them(don't want to lug a stacy around ouch!)
----
ProLine:  chuckie@pro-odyssey
Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
ARPA:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 07:14:26 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!prle!prles2!cstw166!meulenbr@uunet.uu.net (Frans
 Meulenbroeks)
Subject: PCT 1424 (was: Re: TT with Multisyncs)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
CSULLOGG@CRL.AECL.CA writes:
>honest truth is, the PTC1424 is FAR better than the NEC 3D. So, when
>thinking of a colour monitor for the TT, why not consider Atari's own PTC1424?
Hmm. For some reason I thought the number was PTC 1426, but oh well.
Anyway I'm not too happy with the atari mono monitor. Especially when
booting up the big white screen area is a little bit blurred.
Furhtermore after a while the line which is the border between the
screen background and the visible image (e.g. the desktop), is partly
black and partly the color of the image. The place where the transition
occurs moves during time. Atari told me this is normal. However
I'm not too happy about it. It doesn't look right.
Also I noted that the PTC is vulnerable to interference.
It seems that early versions had a metal casing inside the monitor, but
the new ones dont.
 
I rate the quality of the PTC monitor when used for monochrome less
than the old SM 125 monitor for my ST. Badly enough that one cannot
be used on the TT
 
--
Frans Meulenbroeks        (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl)
        Philips Research Laboratories
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:25 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio
 -state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuck
 ie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul)
Subject: piracy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
if you can't get it in the usa or vice versa it's ok buy me.if not let them
sell it worldwide just a thought!!!what do you all think!!!
----
ProLine:  chuckie@pro-odyssey
Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie
ARPA:     crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 04:37:06 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!eng.ufl.edu!ufl
 orida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: piracy
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Aug5.025625.14488@crash.cts.com>, chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
 (Chuck Schul) writes:
>if you can't get it in the usa or vice versa it's ok buy me.if not let them
>sell it worldwide just a thought!!!what do you all think!!!
 
I think you are wrong.
 
There are several places that specialize in euro imports (often for very
low prices, the euro game market is very fast paced and stuff goes into
the bargin bin after a few months).  One such place is Sideline Software
here in FL.  Stealing is stealing, period.  If you do it, call yourself a
thief, nothing else.
 
--
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
             Mickey R. Boyd          |  "Kirk to Enterprise.  All clear
          FSU Computer Science       |      down here.  Beam down
        Technical Support Group      |      yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
       email:  boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu    |
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 18:36:12 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!mucs!logitek!alanh@uunet.uu.net (Alan Hourihane)
Subject: SCSI Tape Streamers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Has anyone produced any SCSI Tape Streamer programs that will backup hard disk.
 
I have a TANDBERG TDC 3600 mechanism which provides 250MB of tape backup.
 
Can anybody help ???
 
Alan Hourihane
 
email : alanh@logitek.co.uk
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 17:23:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacif
 ic.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!selick@arizona.edu (Steven
 Selick)
Subject: Wanted: Atari ST system
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Wanted:
 
    Atari ST system with one meg of memory, one double sided disk drive,
monichrome monitor (Color will be ok if it's cheap enough), 20 meg hard
drive, printer. Friend would like to pay around $450. System may be a
520 upgraded to a 1 meg.
e-mail <selick@bucsf.bu.edu> or call 617-738-6980 (Steve S)
 
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Date: 5 Aug 91 08:50:00 WET DST
From: "Brian" <gladman@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk>
Subject: Zoo 2.1
To: "info-atari16" <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
I downloaded Zoo v2.1 from the terminator achive but found it to have some
bugs - has anyone else had problems? Firstly it did not expand wildcards
and, secondly, it produced a corrupted archive which I could not subsequently
extract from. Is this my problem or has anyone else had difficulties with
this version?
 
                Brian Gladman       gladman@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 18:17:25 GMT
From: cadence!cadence.com!bammi@uunet.uu.net (Jwahar R. Bammi)
Subject: ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me.....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Aug3.210242.23790@cs.yale.edu> fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu
 (Michael Fischer) writes:
 
> I too am having a minor problem with Zoo 2.1.  When I make an archive,
> the creation time of the .zoo file is exactly 1 hour later than the
 
you need to set the timezone environment variable:
for example for easterm USA:
 
 setenv TZ EST5EDT
 
cheers,
--
--
bang:   uunet!cadence!bammi                     jwahar r. bammi
domain: bammi@cadence.com
GEnie:  J.Bammi
CIS:    71515,155
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 21:49:13 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!rosenkra@arizona.edu
 (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me.....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <BAMMI.91Aug4131725@acae127.cadence.com> bammi@acae127.cadence.com
 (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes:
>
>you need to set the timezone environment variable:
>for example for easterm USA:
>
> setenv TZ EST5EDT
 
or perhaps "setenv TZ :EST5EDT" (apratt's RCS seems to need this and i
think this is the prefered POSIX way cf 8.1.1 Extensions to Time
Functions). sorry, i can't check my gulam.g to be sure right now...
 
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
--
Bill Rosenkranz            |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
 
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Date: 4 Aug 91 19:42:14 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!
 steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me.....
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <BAMMI.91Aug4131725@acae127.cadence.com>,
     bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes ... ]
 
> In article <1991Aug3.210242.23790@cs.yale.edu> fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu
 (Michael Fischer) writes:
>
>> I too am having a minor problem with Zoo 2.1.  When I make an archive,
>> the creation time of the .zoo file is exactly 1 hour later than the
>
> you need to set the timezone environment variable:
> for example for easterm USA:
>
>  setenv TZ EST5EDT
 
I had the same problem.  My TZ is set to -0500 so that my mail and news
software will generate dates that follow the most recent RFCs'
recommendations against using timezone abbreviations in headers.
Apparently ZOO 2.1 can't understand that format.
 
A more serious problem, though, is that I can't get ZOO 2.1 to extract
from an older ZOO archive using the x// or -restore commands. I get
bus errors every time. That made it sort of hard to get thelake back
on the air yesterday after a hard drive swap. This is distressing, since
I've always been in the pro-ZOO, anti-LHARC camp.
 
----
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota (USA)
 steve@thelake.mn.org
 
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