Info-Atari16 Digest         Thu, 24 Oct 91       Volume 91 : Issue 550
 
Today's Topics:
                       Atari Computer for sale!
                           auto folder woes
                             Batch Files?
                      Cross-Assembler for 8048 ?
                             Disk drives
                         For sale:Atari STFM
                         GENIE email (2 msgs)
                              HardDrives
                     Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #547
                MiNT libraries: new version available
          Need donations for K-12 telecommunication project
                          Panther & Jaguar.
                            PD C compilers
                              Quantum HD
                             TOS upgrades
                         TT ftp site (2 msgs)
                         What is the 520STe?
               what types of joysticks work with 520ST?
                        Where can I get toner?
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 05:30:49 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!chuck@uunet.uu.net (Chuck
 Rickard; ACS (UGRAD))
Subject: Atari Computer for sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        FOR SALE:
 
        Atari 1040 ST                                   $275
                1 meg main system memory
                Internal 720K 3.5" disk drive
                TOS 1.4 Operating System ROMs
                Atari standard mouse (Japan)
                Has solder holes for Blitter on MB
 
        Atari SC 1224 Color monitor                     $200
                Original super-sharp JVC model
 
        Surreal Systems Internal Clock (w/software)     B/O
 
        Abacus Chartpak                                 B/O
 
 
        If you buy the ST and monitor for $475, I'll throw in the clock,
        the Chartpak software, a printer cable, and a modem cable!
 
        If you have a trade in mind, then go ahead and ask.  For now,
        I am looking for mostly IBM and generic stuff:  SCSI Hard drives,
        laser printers, Roland MT-32 or LAPC-1, etc...
 
        Anyway, if you have an offer, then make it!  The worst thing
        that can happen is that I'll say "No way!"
 
        I prefer email, but if you would rather call, you can reach
        me at (301) 521-0015.
 
 
 
Thanks!
 
 
--
 
Chuck Rickard
(chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 03:50:35 GMT
From: ubc-cs!alberta!aunro!ersys!mforget@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Michel
 Forget)
Subject: auto folder woes
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes:
 
> In article <1991Oct22.193645.16783@csam.lbl.gov> keithj@ux5.lbl.gov (Keith J
> > In article <1991Oct17.081345.24836@wg.estec.nl> chris@wg.estec.nl writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >I've got an atari 1040ST. I've managed to put something in my auto folder
> > >the hard disk which hangs the machine. Is it possible to abort the auto fo
> > >or boot with the hard disk off and still be able to access it once it's
> > >switched on again?
> > >
> > >Any help would be appreciated.
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >
> > >Chris
> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Chris Rouch                                                  chris@wg.este
> > >Serco Space Ltd.                                           Tel: +31 1719 8
> > >ESTEC, The Netherlands.                                    Fax: +31 1719 8
> > >
> > >Underfunded OAPs turn to a life of crime in the great cucumber roberies of
> > >
> >
> > Chris,
> >       Your best bet is to insert a bootable floppy into your drive
> > and turn your hard disk and ST on at the same time.  The hard disk
> > will not boot for at least 15 seconds, but in the meantime, your
> > floppy will.  At that point you should have some sort of desktop.
> > The only procedure left is to run your harddisk's driver.  This
> > procedure should allow you access to your auto folder so that you
> > may delete the offending program.
> >                                    Keith Groves
>
> One thing that I will suggest is go have a play with DC Format V3.2,
> it has a feature to install small boot sector programs, one of these
> is By_pass Hard Disk.
>
> I use this with my ICD utils installed on a floppy, Auto booting, for
> these kind of problems.
>
> But there is another way, use Desk Manager or Super Boot, this will
> allow you to get out of these situations as you can control the running
> or programs in your Auto Folder..
> --
> ***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
> ***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
> ***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
> ***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
 
I have two suggestions:
 
1.  To get out of your immediate problem, turn off your Hard Drive and
boot the system with a floppy.  After it is at the desktop, turn on your
Hard Drive and let it get up to speed.  Then run AHDI and you will be
able to access your Hard Drive.  This also works if you put a .ACC file
in your ACC path and it messes you up.  I don't reccommend doing this
often, or at all really, unless you absolutely must.  It might damage you
r Hard Disk.  I'm not sure.
 
2.  If you can program, create a program that only has one function:
rename.  Then have it only become active when a shift key is held during
the boot.  Then you could have it ask you the source and new name.  This
is better than installing a large booter program like Superboot, and
should only take up a few K.
 
I hope this helps you out.
 
 
<<  ------------------------------------------  >>
<<        mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca          >>
<<     ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca       >>
<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<  "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards,   >>
<<  for they are not happy campers!" - UNKNOWN  >>
<<  ------------------------------------------  >>
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 14:53:53 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!cam-cl!cam-cl!qs101@uunet.uu.net (Quentin Stafford-Fraser)
Subject: Batch Files?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
There is if you use a cli. (gulam, for example)
 
I used to be very cynical about PCs and DOS until I used them non-stop
for two years.
Now I find the ST a bit limiting.
 
                          -----------------------
                          Quentin Stafford-Fraser
                     Cambridge University Computer Lab
                            qs101@cl.cam.ac.uk
                            Tel +44 223 334645
                            ------------------
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 12:29:32 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!seunet!
 mcsun!unido!pbinfo!jerry@arizona.edu (Gerald Siek)
Subject: Cross-Assembler for 8048 ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello networld !
 
I'm looking for an cross-assembler for the 8048 microprocessor.
Has anyone heard of such a program ?
 
        Regards,  Jerry
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 11:12:52 GMT
From: aahs.no!data3d@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Karl Anders 0ygard)
Subject: Disk drives
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
How do I determine how many disk drives my ST has? Setting the active drive
will return the drive mask in d0.l, but drive B is always present, even if
I've only got one disk drive (in addition to the HD).
 
Karl Anders Oygard <data3d@aahs.no>
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 09:09:51 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!news@uunet.uu.net (NEWS system)
Subject: For sale:Atari STFM
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
For Sale:
 
        Atari 520 STFM with Evesham SIMM board to 1MB
        Atari SM124 mono monitor.
        Disks, mags, joystick....................all for #375 ono.
 
Nick.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Nick Shore - Microelectronics & Software Engineering - Newcastle University
___________________________________________________________________________
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 04:22:50 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: GENIE email
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
It's also worth pointing out that the GEnie "flat monthly fee" ONLY
applies to things like the Scuba Diving Roundtable, the Basket Weaving
Roundtable, and things like that.
 
If you want to access the Atari Roundtables, the IBM roundtables,
indeed, any of the machine-specific computer Roundtables, the billing
clock kicks in at $6.00 per hour, nonprime time.
 
Also, the "Basic" flat rate ONLY applies to reading messages in
the "Basic" Roundtables.  If you want to download a GIF picture of
blow fish on the Great Barrier Reef from the Scuba Roundtable,
it's $6.00 per hour again.  Realtime online Conferences (multi-user
chat) are also $6.00 per hour.
 
GEnie Mail is included in the basic flat rate, but XMODEM file mail
is not.  Sending or receiving files by mail is $6.00 per hour.
 
In other words, there are a LOT of "gotcha's" involved.  You need to be
very aware of what is included, and what is "extra cost".
 
Back to the original subject... no, there is no InterNet mail
connection to GEnie.
 
There IS, however a two-way InterNet connection to CompuServe.
 
BobR
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 11:04:43 GMT
From: psinntp!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@uunet.uu.net (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: GENIE email
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <49146@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>It's also worth pointing out that the GEnie "flat monthly fee" ONLY
>applies to things like the Scuba Diving Roundtable, the Basket Weaving
>Roundtable, and things like that.
>If you want to access the Atari Roundtables, the IBM roundtables,
>indeed, any of the machine-specific computer Roundtables, the billing
>clock kicks in at $6.00 per hour, nonprime time.
>Also, the "Basic" flat rate ONLY applies to reading messages in
>the "Basic" Roundtables.  If you want to download a GIF picture of
>blow fish on the Great Barrier Reef from the Scuba Roundtable,
>it's $6.00 per hour again.  Realtime online Conferences (multi-user
>chat) are also $6.00 per hour.
>GEnie Mail is included in the basic flat rate, but XMODEM file mail
>is not.  Sending or receiving files by mail is $6.00 per hour.
>
>In other words, there are a LOT of "gotcha's" involved.  You need to be
>very aware of what is included, and what is "extra cost".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Back to the original subject... no, there is no InterNet mail
>connection to GEnie.
>There IS, however a two-way InterNet connection to CompuServe.
>BobR
 
Thanks for reminding us of all this Bob.  I dropped my
subscription to these pay-services when they imposed the
flat-rate system.  I thought it was, and still think it is, a
rip-off.  I do sort of miss access to the Gadgets forum on
Genie, but it is not worth paying for other people to read the
other non-computer forums.  Anyway, I was just wondering if
anyone knew how these services were doing financially, as a
result of their change in philosophy about charging
subscribers?  It might serve as a lesson in the future.
--Gerry
 
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 00:59:53 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
 state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!fmsrl7!teemc!sycom!bg258s1421@arizona.edu
 (Burley Good)
Subject: HardDrives
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am looking for an inexpensive HD a starters HD. I am looking for a used
maybe 20m or more CHEAP!!!
Send me Email
 
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 11:56
From: "Markus ERNI"
 <UKCJ%DKAUNI2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #547
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
unsubscribe info-atari16
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 01:25:44 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!generic.physi
 cs.utoronto.ca!julian!uwovax.uwo.ca!7103_2622@arizona.edu (Eric Smith)
Subject: MiNT libraries: new version available
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've sent the latest version of the MiNT library (patchlevel 14) up to
atari.archive.umich.edu. There are a lot of changes from patchlevel 10,
most notably support for the new features of MiNT 0.9 (which is being
beta-tested now; sorry for the delay!). If you want a sneak preview of
what's going to be available in MiNT, grab the libraries :-).
 
I hope to have the new version of MiNT itself in a shippable form in a
week or two (fingers crossed).
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            eric.smith@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario   ersmith@julian.uwo.ca
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 13:26:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!gatech!utkcs2!duncan.cs.utk.edu!gat
 hings@arizona.edu (Golando Gathings)
Subject: Need donations for K-12 telecommunication project
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I am currently a senior in EE working with a teacher
of the Knoxville who is working on a project to provide 8 bit computers
as terminals for students in the Knox county  school district in a telec
omunications project known as Operation Uplink.
We are looking for ANY broken 8/16 bit machines that can be repaired and
used as terminals from anyone who is willing to provide them.  She is
also authorized to provide you with documentation that will allow you
to file these machine  as a tax-deductable donations.  Inquiries
via email can be sent to :
 
                         towne@shadowfax.knox.tn.us
 
 
Any assistance you can offer us will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
Golando.
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 04:54:34 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
 state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@arizona.edu (Len
 Stys)
Subject: Panther & Jaguar.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In a previous article, strachan6183@mtroyal.uucp () says:
 
>In article <Dy1101w164w@shark.cse.fau.edu>, mikal.bbs@shark.cse.fau.edu writes:
>> Someone mentioned two machines Atari is/was (rumored?) to be
>> working on called Panther and Jaguar.  Does anyone know what
>> they are or where rumored to be?
> The Panther is supposed to be the next St and the Jaguar is just an atari
>console similar to the megadrive or the super famicom
>
 
 
 
Your the first person that I've heard say this...
 
What I hear is that the Panther was to be Atari's 32-bit video game system.
 
They were planning to release it in January of 1992.
 
They were also working on a 64-bit video game system called the Jaguar.
 
The Jaguar was to be released sometime in 1994.
 
However, the Jaguar was way ahead of schedule so Atari scrapped the Panther
and decided to go 64-bit all together.
 
The Panther would have kicked butt if released the same time as the Super
Nintendo but I guess Atari figured that would not be possible.
 
Can you imagine what the Jaguar will do?
 
The Panther would have cost $200.
 
I bet you that the jaguar will have a price around $300.
 
 
I have also heard that Atari may try to use some of the graphics and sound
of the Jaguar into a new ST that they are building and plan to release in 1992.
 
 
Now, if Atari can get both the Jaguar and the new ST compatible with each
other, I'll buy all the $2 stock that I can get my hands on.
 
 
--
 
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 15:12:35 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!cam-cl!cam-cl!qs101@uunet.uu.net (Quentin Stafford-Fraser)
Subject: PD C compilers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
What are  the relative merits of the different PD C compilers for the ST?
By instinct I would go for gcc, because I use it at work on my unix
machine, but several people seem to use Sozobon.
 
I have 1Meg & 2 floppies, of that makes a difference.
 
advTHANKSance
 
Quentin
 
                          -----------------------
                          Quentin Stafford-Fraser
                     Cambridge University Computer Lab
                            qs101@cl.cam.ac.uk
                            Tel +44 223 334645
                            ------------------
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 00:11:23 GMT
From:
 europa.asd.contel.com!emory!att!pacbell.com!pacbell!hoptoad!wet!ekrimen@uunet.u
 u.net (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Quantum HD
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct9.084621.5549@newcastle.ac.uk> njdc@tuda.newcastle.ac.uk
 (J.D.Coleman) writes:
>I have recently bought a Quantum LPS105S ( 105 meg, 20msec, 1130kb/sec )
>and daisychained it to my existing ICD host adapter and Seagate ST177N.
>
>The drive is really nice, but so far I've been unable to get it working
>properly.  I managed to format it but after it had warmed up, I would get
>continuous write errors until I couldn't write to it any more.  I've talked
>to ICD and they initially said that the drive was faulty, but I've had it
>tested by the dealer I bought it off, and they say there are no problems
>with it.
>
>Last week I tested it with a Sun SLC and it worked fine, but now I can't
>even recognise it with my ST.
 
I have a Quantum LPS105 working with an (old) ICD host adapter.
 
I vaguely remember someone on GEnie (perhaps Tom Harker) saying that the
old ICD host adapter (not the new Advantage series) had problems daisy-
chaining some drives, either just Seagate SCSI with any other SCSI or all
SCSI drives.  Perhaps you might want to call ICD (talk to Howard, or maybe
even Tom and mention what I said) and see what they say.  That is, if
you have the old host adapter.  If you have the new ones, try rearranging
the position of the drives on the SCSI chain.  What kind of ST do you have,
BTW?
 
 
--
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
 
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Date: 22 Oct 91 15:09:36 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!cam-cl!cam-cl!qs101@uunet.uu.net (Quentin Stafford-Fraser)
Subject: TOS upgrades
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have an old (about 3 yrs) 1040ST with 1 Meg.
 
Can I upgrade the TOS? Should I? What will it do for me and how much
will it cost?
 
Thanks,
Quentin
 
 
                          -----------------------
                          Quentin Stafford-Fraser
                     Cambridge University Computer Lab
                            qs101@cl.cam.ac.uk
                            Tel +44 223 334645
                            ------------------
 
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Date: 19 Oct 91 21:29:42 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!linac!att!pacbell.com!pacbell!h
 optoad!wet!ekrimen@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: TT ftp site
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct11.153952.17628@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
 ttinfo@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes:
>
>If you are interested, look into /serv/soft/atari/TT on
>rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de = 129.69.1.12, login ftp, passwd ident.
 
For all:
 
Isn't there a mail system out there that lets people without FTP get access
to FTP sites through e-mail?  It's like BART for atari.archive, but on a
general scale.  If someone has information on this, please send it to me.
 
--
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 13:14:02 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu
 !ira.uka.de!ifistg!raichle@arizona.edu (Bernd Raichle)
Subject: TT ftp site
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <3012@wet.UUCP> ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
> In article <1991Oct11.153952.17628@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
 ttinfo@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes:
> >
> >If you are interested, look into /serv/soft/atari/TT on
> >rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de = 129.69.1.12, login ftp, passwd ident.
>
> For all:
>
> Isn't there a mail system out there that lets people without FTP get access
> to FTP sites through e-mail?  It's like BART for atari.archive, but on a
> general scale.  If someone has information on this, please send it to me.
 
 
The server rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (or rusmv1....) has a
mail-server.  Write email to
        mail-server@rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de
with empty subject and `help' in the mail body to get the newest help
page.
 
-bernd
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 06:02:00 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
 .ohio-state.edu!csn!ccncsu!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: What is the 520STe?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct23.194601.15462@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
 CCC_BALL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Joerg Ballschmiter) writes:
>Hi!
>Can anyone tell me what the 520STe is?
>I thought Atari releases the STE only in a 1meg version!
>-Joerg.
>
 
 520STe is the STe with 0.5MB RAM in it, yes, they are real. In fact some 520STe
 came with some games boundled with it. (look in RUN PC's AD in Current Note for
 titles, I don't remember them).
 For upgrading to 4MB machine this is better buy, because they are cheaper than
 1040 and only waste 2 256KB SIMMs in steaded of 4 256KB SIMMs in 1040.
 Tang
 sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 04:32:49 GMT
From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net
Subject: what types of joysticks work with 520ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Questions about joysticks for the ST...
 
Any "switch type" or "digital" joystick labelled "for use with Atari 800
Commodore-64 or Atari 2600" will work with the Atari ST.
 
Any IBM style joystick will NOT.
 
Any joystick labelled "for Nintendo" will NOT.
 
Actual choice of which Atari style joystick is a purely personal thing.
I prefer the original Atari joystick... yes, they break, and yes, you
have to replace them fairly often, but in my experience, they're FAR
more controllable and responsive than other, more durable units.
 
Your mileage may vary...
 
BobR
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 00:20:11 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oa
 r.net!ucunix.san.uc.edu!att!pacbell.com!pacbell!hoptoad!wet!ekrimen@arizona.edu
 (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Where can I get toner?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct14.220214.10885@epas.toronto.edu> meggin@epas.toronto.edu
 (David Megginson) writes:
>
>The supply of toner for the older Atari laser printer (SLM804) has
>dried up in the Toronto area, and it appears that Atari US will not be
>sending any out for a while. This is not the printer that takes epson
>cartridges. Can anyone suggest a good American mail-order house or
>an alternative. We are _very_ desperate. Thanks.
 
Call the Computer STudio in Asheville, NC.  I don't know what their number
is, but call 800 directory information (800-555-1212) and ask for the number.
If they don't have any, plead with them to give you the number of a place
that will.
 
 
--
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
 
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