Info-Atari16 Digest         Sun, 23 Jun 91       Volume 91 : Issue 348
 
Today's Topics:
                       AMIGA stay in Amiga area
             Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! (5 msgs)
                    Atari.archive monthly posting
                         FTP Beginner's Guide
                            g++ bus error
                   MSDOS 5 on ICD drive via ATSpeed
                                 SALE
               Uploading, or how to in three easy steps
 
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Date: 23 JUN 91 14:55:30 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: AMIGA stay in Amiga area
To: <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
Hello folks,
    This is just an appeal for Amiga topics, other than technical
needs or help, to remain in the Amiga areas or other appropriate
locations.
    I have to pay to read UseNet material and I subscribed to the
Atari location for technical news on the Atari ST.  I really can't
afford to pay for file space on the Amiga.
    Please?
 
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> | ATARI ST USERS OF EAST TEXAS
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 15:33:58 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling)
Subject: Atari-to-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
 
>                                        Even Atari's best feature,
> good MIDI software, is weakening as several of those authors port their
> software to the Amiga.
 
Ever met a professional producer, Tom?  We use the best programs available on
any computer:  C-Lab's CREATOR/NOTATOR for sequencing, Digidesign's ATARI
SOUND TOOLS for digital audio recording/editing, and POLYFRAME for patch
editing.  None, I repeat, NONE of these have been ported to the Amiga.  And
unless future Amiga machines clean up the severe MIDI timing problems they've
got now, they never will be.
 
> On the other hand, Amiga sales are higher than ever.
 
Bzzzt!  Commodore just posted its worst figures in 4 years.
 
>                               If you need any advice on file conversion,
> where to buy Amiga-related hardware for the best price, information on the
> Atari ST emulators out for the Amiga, or have any other questions related
to
 
I'll save you the time, Tom.  Amiga ST emulators blow.  They're all slow,
buggy, and none, I say again NONE, work properly with any MIDI software
whatsoever.  Makes ME want to rush out and buy one, so I can play 32-million-
coloured games instead of all that WORK I'm getting done now.
 
>                                      I have received several requests for
> information to smooth the conversion from the Atari to the Amiga. I do this
as
> a service to fellow computer users.
 
You noble soul!  The self-sacrifice!  In turn, I offer to help YOU smooth the
conversion of your lips from their present location to my sweaty posterior.
I do this as a service!
 
Tom, I haven't read such a heap of bunk it a long time.  If you're frustrated
that your computer isn't being used in any professional environment, fine.
But don't come over here and shovel propaganda and outright false statements
in an effort to get others to join you in your malcontence.  Grow up.  A "my
computer is better" rant under any other name smells equally bad, no matter
how you may attempt to dress it up.
 
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 18:05:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
 @arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Please keep the juvenile user war crap in Cleveland, and off Usenet.
It serves no purpose related to comp.sys.atari.st.
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 19:54:10 GMT
From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm responding to the following message:
From: steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington)
Please keep the juvenile user war crap in Cleveland, and off Usenet.
It serves no purpose related to comp.sys.atari.st.
 
 
 
This has nothing to do with Cleveland.  You would have to be a juvenile user
to think it did.
 
This has to do with spreading around false rumors by people to scare Atari
computer users into leaving their computer.
I think it is wrong so I said something about it.
 
Ok?
 
 
 
--
 
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 21:27:35 GMT
From: noao!ncar!gatech!udel!brahms.udel.edu!don@arizona.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Atari-to-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <BR4Z41w164w@cellar.UUCP> darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) writes:
>ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
>Ever met a professional producer, Tom?  We use the best programs available on
>any computer:  C-Lab's CREATOR/NOTATOR for sequencing, Digidesign's ATARI
>SOUND TOOLS for digital audio recording/editing, and POLYFRAME for patch
>editing.  None, I repeat, NONE of these have been ported to the Amiga.  And
>unless future Amiga machines clean up the severe MIDI timing problems they've
>got now, they never will be.
>
     Don't know much about MIDI, but I've never heard of Ami having any kind of
timing problems.  I know the Dr. T's software has been moved to the Amiga;
other MIDI sw I know of includes MusicX, Bars & Pipes, & B&P pro.
 
>> On the other hand, Amiga sales are higher than ever.
>
>Bzzzt!  Commodore just posted its worst figures in 4 years.
 
         Funny, the last stockholders' report got from CBM indicated that 1Q &
2Q 91 were among its best quarters ever.  Something like a 50% increase in
unit sales in Europe alone?  Outsold IBM in Britain last year?  CDTV &
Video Toaster recieving good press all over the US?  Selling so many A3000's
via the Power Up Program that they're back ordered for weeks?
         Please name your sources for the above comments.
 
>>                               If you need any advice on file conversion,
>> where to buy Amiga-related hardware for the best price, information on the
>> Atari ST emulators out for the Amiga, or have any other questions related
>to
>
>I'll save you the time, Tom.  Amiga ST emulators blow.  They're all slow,
>buggy, and none, I say again NONE, work properly with any MIDI software
 
         MAST makes one that claims to do so, but I've never tried it & probably
won't.
 
   [Insults, disinformation, etc. deleted]
 
>But don't come over here and shovel propaganda and outright false statements
>in an effort to get others to join you in your malcontence.  Grow up.  A "my
>computer is better" rant under any other name smells equally bad, no matter
>how you may attempt to dress it up.
>
 
 
     Thom was wrong in posting here to begin with; I would, however, follow your
own advice (last quoted paragraph above) in replying to such messages.
 
--
  Gibberish   May the        Publications Editor, AmigaNetwork
  is spoken   fork() be      Amiga Student On-Campus Consultant, U of D
    here.     with you.      DISCLAIMER:  It's all YOUR fault.
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 22:21:43 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!xanth.cs.
 odu.edu!scott@arizona.edu (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <9106231954.AA23332@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 (Len Stys) writes:
> This has to do with spreading around false rumors by people to scare Atari
> computer users into leaving their computer.
> I think it is wrong so I said something about it.
 
Guys, I have always kept my fingers FAR far far far from the followup
keys when reading articles such as this... but I will finally make a
post and don't lecture me about wasting bandwidth-- take THAT to IRC.
 
Anyway, my ST does what I need a computer to do.  Most people don't
have the money nor the need to get a super home computer.  For years
now I have had people ask me about which personal computer to
purchase.  I tell them that if they go into a Macintosh dealer, they
will probably be told that the Mac is the answer to life and all their
problems.  If they go to an IBM dealer, they will probably be told
that the IBM (or clone) is the answer to life and all their problems.
The same is true of an Atari dealer and an Amiga and any other dealer.
It's called sales.
 
My opinion is that if you are in the market for a computer, you really
need to decide what you are going to be doing on that computer.  You
must then do a little research into what is available that will meet
your needs and then you should find a platform that will provide what
you need.
 
It never ceases to amaze me how much sales people try to oversell a
system.  I love to listen to IBM (or clone) salespeople explaining all
the display options and cpu speeds to someone who wouldn't know a MHz
from a pixel.
 
MY atari does what I need it to do.  I'm 100% positive that YOUR Amiga
also would do what I would want it to do.  Now, since I have an Atari
and it does what I want, I am not going to purchase a Sun SLC, Amiga
3000 nor any other computer that will mean that I need to spend
thousands of additional dollars for very little gain.  for people who
do not yeat have a lot of money invested, there might just be some
room for comparison, but it's never necessary to lie to try to get
people to do anything.
 
As far as people thinking "the computer makes the man" (or the woman),
well, I certainly don't mind if people keep selling their Atari
products to switch over to Amiga.... because I will have a continuous
supply of inexpensive used equipment.
 
Reminds me of how I got my great set of gold clubs....  It seems that
the "IN" thing to do if you are rich and play golf is to purchase a
snew set of clubs every year.  Hmm, guess what happens to the old
clubs?  Yup, many times they are given to charity or other groups.
that is what this whole "mine is better than yours" argument reminds
me of-- I simply say I am happy and satisfied with what I have
invested in and I will make up my own mind if and when there is a time
to move on.
 
Unfortunately, not everyone is a computer hobbyist as I am and so they
may be presented with "this is better than that" arguments from
whereever they go to purchase or investigate a computer and may be
persuaded to follow a path they may not have intended to follow.  To
me, this is the root of the problem, if people would purchase what
they need and not what other people tell them that they need, I feel
more people will be satisfied with what they end up with.  Perhaps
then even less attention will be paid to this topic than is given to
it now.
 
Thank you for allowing me to finally express my opinion and I hope no
one will take this post as an argument or "flame" for or against
anyone or any computer.  If I must directly state my point, it is that
I feel that people should be allowed to make up their own mind and do
as they wish and it is unnecessary to work on someone's will and
resolve simply because you feel they may have made a bad choice.
 
Scott
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 20:06:21 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.c
 c.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Atari.archive monthly posting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
                        Welcome to atari.archive.umich.edu
 
This is the monthly posting from the umich atari posse. We hope
it will answer some of those nagging questions that always seem to pop up
from time to time. If you have any additional suggestions, please mail
them to me, at weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu.
 
1: How do I use BART?
   Now that BART is back on-line again, you can get bart help by mailing
   atari@atari.archive.umich.edu and include the word 'help' in the body of
   the message. This doesn't mean you have to send mail Jon or I.
 
2: How can I connect via FTP?
   If you are interested in ftp, I recently wrote a beginner's guide.  Please
   mail me and I will send you a copy.  I'll post it every once in a while too.
 
3: What if my machine doesn't support name service?
   Two things to do here:1) Demand that your sys-admin install it soon,
   and 2) use the internet address 141.211.164.8
 
4: I can't download because my hard drive doesn't work and my modem goes
   out sometimes and .....HELP!!!
   Sorry, outside of the archive I really can't help you....Your best bet is
   to find someone at your site with a similar set-up, or post to c.s.a.st
   for advice.
 
5: What are all the ???s in your index?
   The ??? symbol means that I have no clue what this file is.  If you know
   please drop me a note, but be sure to include what directory the file
   is in, etc.  Thanks.
 
6: When I try to FTP to the archive's host, I get a message saying that my
   machine wasn't recognized and I wasn't allowed to log in. What's up?
   We only accept ftp logins from recognized hosts.  If you are not allowed
   to log in, please try again.  It is possible that the DNS took a bit too
   long.  If you are still denied access, ask your sys-admin to fix your
   name servers.
 
 
7: Here's a question for you Jeff, how come I can't use 'ftp terminator.cc.etc'
   any more to connect?
   That's because you're not using atari.archive.umich.edu like we told you
   to.  In the near future, terminator.cc.umich.edu will change it's name.
   Don't say we didn't warn you.......
 
There are a few files you'll really like to have:
 
archivers/arc602.arc   : The latest version of arc
archivers/zoo.arc      : The classic archive program
archivers/compress.zoo : Useful for removing .Z from sounds and binaries
archivers/unlzh11.arc  : Unpacks .lzh files
archivers/sttar.arc    : Removes those nasty .tar extenders
THEY ARE CONTAINED IN THE SELF EXTRACTING ARCHIVE starter.tos!!! PLEASE USE IT!
 
Thanks to everyone who has uploaded anything lately.....
 
Interesting things this month:
 
1. Graham Higgins just re-did the gnustuff directory, so have a ball with
   it.  If you get the chance, tell him how much you love it.
 
2. I've been working on the applications directory, and it should be
   done soon.  I hope things are easier to find?
 
3. Anyone interested in having an IRC conference to talk about the
   archive and any things they'd like to see, please mail me.
 
BART PROBLEMS:
Common Error for the month of June: Bart will send files over 400k, but
you must request them by parts.
 
 
PLEASE NOTE: FTP service is a privelege, not a right! Please make
a supreme effort to keep heavy FTP use in off-time hours (i.e. after
5 pm EST but before 8 am EST), or else you will be shot.  (We mean it).
 
Any ideas, questions, comments, etc. to me,
weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu
 
 
--
Jeff Weiner  --- weiner@{engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 20:10:55 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.e
 du!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: FTP Beginner's Guide
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This is a basic guide to ftp.  It is intended only to get you on your
way to ftp happiness.  Please let me know if you have any comments,
questions, or suggestions.
 
weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu
 

                        Jeff Weiner's FTP Basics Vol.1 #1
 
 
Part 1: Logging in
To begin an ftp session, the first thing you need to do is log in to our
machine.  You can do this by issuing the 'ftp atari.archive.umich.edu'
command.  You should then see something like this:
 
Connected to atari.archive.umich.edu.
220 atari.archive.umich.edu FTP server (Version 4.169 Wed Jan 2 17:03:56 EST 199
1) ready.
Name (yourhost.domain.edu:yourusername):
 
At this prompt you'll want to type 'anonymous'.  On some hosts, the word
'guest' will work, but 'anonymous' is always a sure bet.
 
If you don't see this login prompt, but instead get something like
'Our host was unable to trace a name back to (some internet address).
 We only accept ftp from properly registered hosts', then you'll have to
ask your sys-admin to properly register your machine in its name servers.
There's nothing we can do on this end, so please don't bother asking.
Also, if your machine doesn't allow you to specify the atari.archive name,
try using out internet address : 141.211.164.8  Then, march down to
your sys-admins office and ask him to install name-service.  Your life will
become much easier.
 
Assuming you recieved the above prompt, you'll then be asked for a
password.  Use your mail address. For example, I would use
'weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu'
 
 
Part 2: Basic Commands
Once you're logged on, there's a few basic commands you'll want to know about.
 
ls  : lists the names of files of sub-directories in a directory.
ls -C  : Lists the files horizontally, instead of vertically.
ls -F : Lists filenames, but adds a / to the end of directory names.
dir : does the same thing as ls, but is needed on some other machines
ls -l : A verbose listing of files.  Includes permissions, filesize, etc.
cd  : changes directories (i.e. 'cd atari' would put you in the atari area)
cd .. : Goes 'back up' a directory, to the one you came from.
 
This from redmond@IUS4.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU:
For more than one argument to ls, use double quotes.  Eg.  ls "-FC *.lzh"
 
These are about all you need to get moving around the archive.
 
 
Part 3: Getting the Goddies
 
The main reason you want to ftp in the first place is to quickly transfer
files.  More often than not, you'll want to transfer the files from
the archive to your account.  You can do this using the following commands:
 
First, find the file you want to download.
Second, issue the command 'type binary'.  This tells our machine that
you'll be transferring a binary file.  This is really important.  You'll
waste a LOT of time if you download files that were not transferred in
binary mode.
Third, issue this command 'get <filename.ext>'.  This will instruct
the archive host to send <filename.ext> to your account.
 
The last thing you'll want to do is use the 'quit' command.  This
tells our machine you're no longer interested in ftping files, and would
like to go back to your command prompt.
 
Now, you'll need to download your files from your mainframe(sparc, whatever)
to your ST.  Usually you'll want to use either kermit or x- or y- or z-modem
protocals.  They're very reliable.  I'd be quite hesitant to try something
else.  Also, your machine and ST are usually unique to you.  This means
that I really can't help you with this part.  You could try asking, but
I'm going to promise anything.
 
Part 4: A Few Words on Net Ettiquette
 
Net Ettiquette is something that every net user should be aware of.
Relating to ftp, and our archive, it is essentially this:
 
1)  Try to keep ftp usage to an absolute minimum during business hours,
in our time zone.  That would be 9 am to 5 pm , EST.  This roughly means
upload or download one file or so and little else during these hours.  After
5pm, have a blast.  Go nuts.  We probably won't mind nearly as much.....
Otherwise, we will drive to your campus or place of work (even if you
live in Europe) and we'll kick youe butt.  Or, Jon will sing Prince
songs to you.  Whichever you'd like the least.
 
2)  If you have a question about some aspect of ftp service or some
other area of your computer, please ask around at your site first.  Don't
immediately fire off all of your questions to us.  I don't mind answering
questions about the archive, problems with logging in, or something
similar.  But I tend to get upset when people ask me questions like,
"Jeff, how come I can't get the fgrep command to work properly on
my sparc station...."
 
3) Please try to upload files that you know the archive doesn't have.  I
know it's not the greatest thing to do, but if you can find time to
download stuff, I think you can find time to return the favor and
upload things also.
 
 
If you have any reasonable questions, any comments or concerns, etc.
please mail them to me, weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu.
 
Thanks,
weiner
 
 
--
Jeff Weiner  --- weiner@{engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 16:41:02 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!s
 inner@arizona.edu (Ken Sinner)
Subject: g++ bus error
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
When running gcc-cc1p.ttp (version 1.35) from g++.ttp (v. 1.35)
with the following command line:
 
        g++ -v -S test-hel.cc -Id:\usr\lib
 
I get a bus error.
 
I have a 520 ST upgraded to 2.5 megs.
The file test-hel.cc came with the distribution that I got from atari.archive.
 
Is the problem not enough RAM (I have over 2 million bytes free)?
 
(I am compiling from gulam, by the way.)
 
Any help will be appreciated.
 
ken
 
sinner@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 
P.S.  Does anyone out there actually have g++ up and running?
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 20:30:33 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu
 !paul.rutgers.edu!njin!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@arizona.edu (Gerald
 Greenberg)
Subject: MSDOS 5 on ICD drive via ATSpeed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am running ATSpeed on my ST with an ICD hard drive.  ATSpeed
allows you to reassign hard disk partitions to facilitate
booting gem and msdos.  So, I boot my ST off c: and msdos off
d: (under msdos, the names appear reversed, i.e. c: from ST
shows up as d: under dos and d: from ST shows up as c: under
dos).  Everything was fine until I upgraded to MSDOS 5.  For
some reason, it will not recognize the d: drive (which is
really c: under GEM).  There seems to be some sort of
incompatability between what the icd boot requires and what
msdos 5 needs to read.  I have reformatted the drive in
question under msdos 5, but then the ST is not able to boot.
When I fix the drive so the ST can boot, msdos 5 will not
recognize the drive.  Does anybody have any idea why this is
so? and/or if there is a fix?  The older versions of dos cause
no problem...Which is good, I guess, because at least I have a
fall back position.
Thanks very much for any help you can offer.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 17:24:19 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!csn!boul
 der!horton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: SALE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I must sell my ATARI SC1224 immediately for $170.00.
This is a perfect condition RGB color monitor for the
ATARI ST, STE, and MEGA systems. The reason for selling
is due to the lack of room for it and the lack of usage by
me.  Please leave me E-mail if you are interested.
        chuj@horton.colorado.edu
 
 
                                                Jeff
 
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Date: 23 Jun 91 20:08:30 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!te
 rminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Uploading, or how to in three easy steps
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
                Uploading to Atari.archive.umich.edu
                                  and
             Posting to comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st
             By Jeff Weiner, Atari.archive Papal Figurehead
 
 
How to upload to atari.archive.umich.edu:
 
There are two main ways to upload to the archive: FTP or mail
 
1: FTP - This is the preferred method, as it doesn't clog my mailbox with
   megs and megs of stuff, not to mention it's a bit easier for you too.
   Logon to the archive as usual, then issue the following commands
 
   cd 
   type binary
   put filename.ext
   mail weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu .... "Hey Jeff, I just uploaded this..."
 
   This last step is very important.  As we're now integrating the
   index with text and the ls -lR listing, descriptions and an address to
   send questions to are key.
 
Ed Krimen, ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu, adds this:
 
For those that may not know, may I add that, for aesthetic effects,
if you enter "hash," before you "put filename.ext" or "get
filename.ext," the ftp program will display a # for every 1024 bytes
sent or received.  Actually, when you 'put' a file, it will display
bunch of # at once.  Moreover, if you enter "bell," it will sound your
system bell when a function has completed.  Finally, you can send and
receive a list of files using the "mput" and "mget" commands,
respectively, with a list of the files after the command.
 
 
2: MAIL - This is a bit slower for you and for me, but is still very effective.
   Simply uuencode the file, (please split it into parts 
   and mail the result to weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu.  Please name
   the parts in the subject line.  This is really helpfull as the parts
   usually don't arrive in the proper sequence. Also, please include a
   message labeled file transmission, containing a short description of
   the file, etc.  Shar files are also acceptable, but I prefer the uuencoded.
 
 
And for those of you who would like to see your binaries and sources appear
in comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st, the following is taken from Steve
Grimm's Introduction to Binaries and Sources:
 
Subject: Submitting binaries for publication
 
Items intended for posting or queries and problem notes should be sent to
atari-binaries@twitterpatter.eng.sun.com. If you are on a UUCP-only site, you
can send them to {backbone}!sun!twitterpatter.eng!atari-binaries.
 
If you want verification of arrival, so say in a cover note, or at the
beginning of your submission, if it is small.  I try to verify that a
program works, and if I can't get it to work, I may hold up posting it
for a couple of days.  Please note that, except in rare cases, software
without documentation will not be published. The backlog from receipt
to posting varies from one to four weeks depending mostly on the set
of submissions currently in my queue.
 
If you are submitting both sources and binaries, PLEASE send the two
separately.  If I have to separate your sources from your binaries by
hand, your submission will most likely sit on the back burner for a
while.
 
Also, as of volume 8, I will only accept binaries packed with an archiver
for which source code is widely available.  For the time being, this pretty
much means arc, zoo, and lharc.  If you want to use a nifty new archiver,
make the source code available to the public (posting to comp.sources.atari.st
is fine.)  I reserve the right to repack binaries with another archiver if
the other archiver saves a significant amount of space, or has other
advantages.
 
If you're submitting a demo of a commercial program, or a shareware program,
please keep the amount of advertising to an absolute minimum.  The net
gods become angry when people try to use the net as a free advertising
medium, and I'd like to keep comp.binaries.atari.st out of trouble.  If
you want to solicit orders, do it in a README file or an About... dialog
box, not in a message that comes up every time the user does something.
In other words, treat the net like a PBS station (apologies to those
outside the US.)  I will not accept programs which I feel are excessively
commercial.  I'm aware that commercial demos and shareware are often very
useful (to the users on the net,) which is why I allow them at all.
 
 
 
Subject: Submitting source for publication
 
Items intended for posting or queries and problem notes should be sent to
atari-sources@twitterpatter.eng.sun.com. If you are on a UUCP-only site, you
can send them to sun!twitterpatter.eng!atari-sources.
 
If you want verification of arrival, so say in a cover note, or at the
beginning of your submission, if it is small.  I try to verify that a
program works, and if I can't get it to work, I may hold up posting it
for a couple of days.  Please note that, except in rare cases, source
without documentation will not be published. The backlog from receipt
to posting varies from one to four weeks depending mostly on the set
of submissions currently in my queue.
 
I prefer that you submit sources and binaries separately, as it's a
pain to separate them, and such submissions are invariably placed on
the back burner.  Sources should be submitted in the same format as
binaries -- uuencoded arc, zoo, or lzh files.  Please use Pierre Dumas'
"uue" program if possible, as it can correct some common transmission
errors.  Split long submissions up into reasonable (less than 50K)
chunks.  "uue" will do this for you, if you use "uue -700 file" to
encode.
 
Please inform me of any special system requirements, and what development
environment was used, so that I can properly test your submission and
label it when I post it.
 
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weiner
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Jeff Weiner  --- weiner@{engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu
 
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