
Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon,  2 Dec 91       Volume 91 : Issue 632

Today's Topics:
                 $$$ I Want To Buy Your ST Games $$$
                           Atari ST DEAD ?
                      Contact me: Michael Wagner
  DESKTOP.INF - How do I install two or more extensions for a file?
           Does the AdSpeed STe *REALLY* double the speed?
                        Good raytracer needed
                        Mega2 System For Sale!
                               New STs
                              Rufus 1.06
                               ST book
                ST games, where to buy them? (2 msgs)
                Wanted to buy 1st word plus. (2 msgs)
                               Whingers
                 Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product

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Date: 2 Dec 91 22:28:50 GMT
From: deneva!sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu!flute.cs.uiuc.edu!totty@uunet.uu.net (Brian Totty)
Subject: $$$ I Want To Buy Your ST Games $$$
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

        It's time to buy Christmas presents for my brother!

        Does anyone have any Atari ST games that run on 512K color,
        single-sided disk in good condition that they would be willing to
        sell?  I need to have instructions and preferably a box.

        Let me know what games you are willing to part with, and I'll find
        them a new home where they will be appreciated all over again!

   /                       Brian Totty             o o
  /__  __  o     Department of Computer Science     o  
 /  / /   /          1304 W. Springfield Ave       \_/  "We have corn in
/__/ /   /               Urbana, IL 61801                Massachusetts too!"
                        totty@cs.uiuc.edu

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Date: 2 Dec 91 15:00:40 GMT
From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!homer.cs.mcgill.ca!bpat@uunet.uu.net (Patrick BETREMIEUX)
Subject: Atari ST DEAD ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>
>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>
>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>       > Door Wedges
>       > Sleeping Policemen
>       > Toilet Paper Holders 
>       > A 512K Printer Buffer
>       > A Dust Absorber
>       > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>       > A Sign Of Poverty
>       > A Tax Dodger
>
>p.s.
>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ? 
>A > The midi ports !!!
>
>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all 
>jokes.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST DEAD ?
Summary: 
Expires: 
References: <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk>
Sender: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Keywords: 

In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>
>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>
>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>       > Door Wedges
>       > Sleeping Policemen
>       > Toilet Paper Holders 
>       > A 512K Printer Buffer
>       > A Dust Absorber
>       > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>       > A Sign Of Poverty
>       > A Tax Dodger
>
>p.s.
>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ? 
>A > The midi ports !!!
>
>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all 
>jokes.

 Well I'm sorry!!!!

 If you hate the atari ST so much, why the hell do you post things on OUR
 newsgroup!!! You should not even be bothering about it!!! I'll be quite
 frank with you : Get lost!!! Why don't you go bug someone else with your
 presence (Like an Amiga group since you LOVE them so much :-) 

 No, really! If you, or any other, don't like tha atari, it's your right,
 but keep it to yourself, or at least DON'T POST IT HERE.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST DEAD ?
Summary: 
Expires: 
References: <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk>
Sender: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Keywords: 

In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>
>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>
>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>       > Door Wedges
>       > Sleeping Policemen
>       > Toilet Paper Holders 
>       > A 512K Printer Buffer
>       > A Dust Absorber
>       > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>       > A Sign Of Poverty
>       > A Tax Dodger
>
>p.s.
>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ? 
>A > The midi ports !!!
>
>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all 
>jokes.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST DEAD ?
Summary: 
Expires: 
References: <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk>
Sender: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Keywords: 

In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>
>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>
>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>       > Door Wedges
>       > Sleeping Policemen
>       > Toilet Paper Holders 
>       > A 512K Printer Buffer
>       > A Dust Absorber
>       > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>       > A Sign Of Poverty
>       > A Tax Dodger
>
>p.s.
>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ? 
>A > The midi ports !!!
>
>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all 
>jokes.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST DEAD ?
Summary: 
Expires: 
References: <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk>
Sender: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Keywords: 

In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>
>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>
>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>       > Door Wedges
>       > Sleeping Policemen
>       > Toilet Paper Holders 
>       > A 512K Printer Buffer
>       > A Dust Absorber
>       > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>       > A Sign Of Poverty
>       > A Tax Dodger
>
>p.s.
>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ? 
>A > The midi ports !!!
>
>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all 
>jokes.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST DEAD ?
Summary: 
Expires: 
References: <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk>
Sender: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Keywords: 

In article <1991Nov28.111112.412@kingston.ac.uk> cs_a206@kingston.ac.uk (Richard Smart) writes:
>
>I am supprised that the Atari st has not died for the more
>favourable Amiga 500 series. The atari is such a bad machine
>that I am supprised people buy it !!!
>
>Atari St's are great for the following functions.
>       > Door Wedges
>       > Sleeping Policemen
>       > Toilet Paper Holders 
>       > A 512K Printer Buffer
>       > A Dust Absorber
>       > A Source Of Electronics for your HAIRDRYER ?
>       > A Sign Of Poverty
>       > A Tax Dodger
>
>p.s.
>Q > what is the differance between the ST and the SPECTRUM ? 
>A > The midi ports !!!
>
>Should ST's be put in the newsgroup rec.humor instead because they are all 
>jokes.

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Date: 2 Dec 91 21:52:43 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!an172@arizona.edu (Marc A. Lombardo)
Subject: Contact me: Michael Wagner
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

Michael Wagner,
 
please get in touch with me via email asap!

-- 
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Date: 2 Dec 91 19:26:44 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!datum.nyo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!engage.pko.dec.com!ynotme.enet.dec.com!wallace@decwrl.dec.com (Ray Wallace)
Subject: DESKTOP.INF - How do I install two or more extensions for a file?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

In article <y0g8BB2w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes...
>How do I edit the DESKTOP.INF file so that it recognizes two (or three) 
>filename extensions for a particular application?  For example, I would 

Use appropriate menu to install the application for the first extension, then
save the desktop. Now edit desktop.inf, duplicate (or triplicate :-) the line
which contains the name of the application in question, then change the
extension at the end of the line. NOTE: Change JUST the extension! Don't
remove the space at the end of the line, etc... If you are using a
wordprocessor make sure you save the file in "ASCII" format.

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Date: 2 Dec 91 20:03:28 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: Does the AdSpeed STe *REALLY* double the speed?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

In article <7HZ9BB3w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes:
>Hello,
>
>As I've said several times, I plan to upgrade to an STe with 4 Megs of 
>RAM soon, and I would also like to have a 16 MHZ machine.  The question 
>is, will the AdSpeed STe really double the speed of the machine or will 
>it only double the speed of the processor?  Older accellerator boards for 
>the ST claimed to give 16 MHZ performance, but only actually improved the 
>speed by 25-30%.  What kind of performance can I expect from an AdSpeed 
>STe?

I have an AdSpeed STe, it does seem to improve some things by 100%. Since
it is relying on a cache of around 32K, there are still lots of cases
where you'll see much slower performance. I was intrigued by an ad I saw
recently from a company selling an ST accelerator with 128K of cache, 64K
for tag space and 64K for data. This sucker sounds like it could be very
cool, 100% speedup nearly all the time.

Just wish there was a 68010 that ran at 16MHz, most I've seen is 12.5.
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

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Date: 2 Dec 91 15:47:27 GMT
From: ogicse!unmvax!nmt.edu!eahsnsr@uunet.uu.net (Eric A. Hobbs)
Subject: Good raytracer needed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

In article <131@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> rlw@ukc.ac.uk (R.L.Wall) writes:
>I have already the GFA Raytrace program, but this is no longer adequate for
>my needs, I was wondering if anyone knows of a raytracer (preferably not
>too expensive) that meets the following requirements.
>
>-Must work in 1 Mb
>-Must have a *good* world editor (the GFA one is very limited)
>-512 colour support (a la GFA) is a definite bonus
>-Must handle refraction
>-Must be able to handle prisms etc (not just spheres like pearl)
>-Machine code routines (or heavily optimised C) so that execution is as fast
> as possible
>
>Please let me know if there is such a program available for the ST.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Dick
>
>PS - If there is any german PD available, I do have a friend that can translate
>the docs
>--
>Crack, junkies, guns, sluts and cocaine; Men killing men, feeling no pain;
>We've all gone insane; The world is a gutter! - Donnie Vie (Enuff Znuff)


The best, most complete raytracer that I have seen is the QRT
raytracer.  It has a fairly understandable input language, and it
makes some fairly impressive images.  It does glass surfaces and
thus handles refraction.  QRT is PD or shareware (not sure which).
It comes with a program that converts the 24-bit RAW image file into
a Spectrum picture.

I got it from a local BBS.  I no longer use it, though.  I generate
images using DKBTracer on a Sparc (Fast!).  Unfortunately, the BBS
I got it from is no longer around, and I do not have a complete archive
of the program.  Maybe someone else has info on it.

Sorry.

Eric A. HOBBS?
eahsnsr@JUPITER.nmt.edu

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Date: 2 Dec 91 23:58:00 GMT
From: UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU!vanleejf@ucbvax.berkeley.edu ("James F. Van Leeuwen")
Subject: Mega2 System For Sale!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

I'm looking to sell the following items (as a whole group):

        Atari MEGA2 ST (with TOS 1.4 and a BEST power supply)
        Atari SC1224
        ICD FAST 42MB Quantam Hard Drive
        Practical Solutions Cordless Mouse
        Golden Image Mouse
        Lots of software & manuals
        3 Standard Atari Joysticks

All of the above is in excellent condition and includes boxes (except for 
monitor), manuals, etc.  I'm asking $950 for it (or make me an offer) plus 
shipping & handling.  

If you have any questions, let me know.

Thanks!
Jim
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 turning..."   -- Billy  /___/__/   / Internet: vanleejf@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
                   Joel     /______/ Alt. Internet: aq846@cleveland.freenet.edu

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Date: 2 Dec 91 18:05:16 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!glover@arizona.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: New STs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

What is the complete roster of ST products now?
I have an article here (cut from an issue of WSJ but unfortunately
missing a complete date).

The article states that several models have been added and
older models discontinued. 

On a related note, is there any information about a successor to
the TT based on a new archetecture?

Thanks

-- 
History Is Dead... and Im Not Feeling So Well Myself
E.R. Glover 
Glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

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Date: 2 Dec 91 19:41:01 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!dinsmm@arizona.edu (Michael John Dinsmore)
Subject: Rufus 1.06
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

Will the new version of Rufus 1.10 that is going to be
shipped in a few weeks have something other than VT-52
terminal emulation?  I liked the demo version of it, 
except that it didn't have at least VT-100 terminal 
emulation.

Mike Dinsmore
dinsmm@rpi.edu

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Date: 3 Dec 91 00:26:00 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v115lue3@arizona.edu (apprentice of the obvious)
Subject: ST book
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

I'm going to be in the market for a laptop/notebook computer somewhere over the
next couple of months.  Seeing as I have an ST now that I'm completely happy
with, it makes sense to pick up the ST book and use them in conjunction.  Can
anyone tell me what their status is right now?  More importantly, does anyone
have one yet, and if so, what do they think?  I'd also appreciate hearing
from anyone who may have used one at a trade show.  My two biggest questions
right now are; what is the cost, and how is the quality of the display.

If anyone has any info, they might as well post it, I'm sure there are other
people who are curious as well.  Thanks in advance..

.Philip Smolin
v115lue3@ubvmsd

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Date: 2 Dec 91 19:53:50 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!dinsmm@arizona.edu (Michael John Dinsmore)
Subject: ST games, where to buy them?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

Hi there.

I'd like to buy some Atari ST games.  I recently got
a catalog from BRE software, but they didn't have the 
games I wanted.
I'd like to buy Sim City and Double Dragon.
I'd also like to buy Pagestream, but am not sure about
the hardware requirements for the latest release (2.1?).

Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
E-mail to: (or post info here)

Mike Dinsmore
dinsmm@rpi.edu

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Date: 2 Dec 91 20:58:36 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.dell.com!natinst!glens@arizona.edu (Glen Sescila)
Subject: ST games, where to buy them?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

My favorite source of ST software is:

        AtariVille
        1015 W Hildebrand
        San Antonio, TX 78201

phone:  (512) 736-1405

They have a HUDGE stock including 8-bit stuff too (I've been there).  And
thier prices fit right in with the power without the price slogan!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Now You're Playing With Power Without The Price!"  Glen Sescila

My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer and probably are
exact opposites.                glens@natinst.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: 2 Dec 91 22:39:58 GMT
From: ubc-cs!buchanan@beaver.cs.washington.edu (John (juancho) buchanan)
Subject: Wanted to buy 1st word plus.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

A legitimate copy of 1st word plus of recent vintage or word perfect.  

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Date: 2 Dec 91 22:42:24 GMT
From: ubc-cs!buchanan@beaver.cs.washington.edu (John (juancho) buchanan)
Subject: Wanted to buy 1st word plus.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

A legitimate copy of 1st word plus of recent vintage or word perfect.  I
will pay for shipping etc.  I need a quick word processor for other 
users of my machine who are not interested in TeX type output.

E-mail to me at buchanan@cs.ubc.ca or juancho@dgp.toronto.edu

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Date: 2 Dec 91 22:54:22 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: Whingers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

I propose that all whinging about Atari products should have the
subject line prefix "WHINGE:".  Or maybe we need a
comp.sys.atari.st.whinge group.


Totally sick of it,
Not responding to this, or any other whinging as of NOW.
Warwick.
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 \_.-._/      University of Queensland,     |          Join in the fun
      v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.          |       and copy me into yours!

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Date: 3 Dec 91 01:27:55 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu

In article <9962@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
>I contend that Atari's ASV (Atari Sys V UNIX) is a product
>with no future.

Rich Covert is a flamer with no future.
>
>1) The Tt030's native (Atari original equipment) color resolution
>   is too coarse to support X Windows. Proof of this fact is that
>   Atari requires the user of their monochrome monitor, and does
>   not support ASV under color. A monochrome only X windows 
>   workstation is not a viable commerical product.
>
>2) The TT030 is underpowered, but overpriced. The Tt030 may  run a
>   a CPU rate of 33MHz but it memory access is restricted to a slow
>   16MHz. And UNIX is VERY VERY memory intensive. Hence, the TT030
>   should be better classed as a 16MHz 68030 machine. Which is too
>   slow for X Windows, esecpically w/o a video graphics accelerator
>   card to offload the video from the 68030 CPU. 

NCD does a brisk business selling monochrome X terminals built around
mere 12 MHz 68020s, with "small" 1024x768 displays. Points 1 and 2 are
flat wrong. In most places I've worked, monochrome displays have
outnumbered color displays by at least 5 to 1. Very few applications
in the real world *demand* color, and monochrome displays tend to be
sharper and easier on the eyes.
>
>3) The TT030 is overpriced. A Base TT0304/40 is about 2 grand. Add
>   1 grand for the monochrome monitor, another grand for more memory (
>   can't even use cheap memory 'cause you gotta buy an expensive memory
>   board from Atari to add more memory), and another 2 grand for the
>   ASV and you are up to 6 grand. And that is for an Atari computer
>   whose resale value is pratically NIL. Ever try to sell a used 
>   Mega ST recently? A glut of those babies on the market now.

Resale value? ???? Sheesh, anything you can buy is already obsolete,
by definition. Have you looked at the PC clone market? Talk about nil
resale values - but do you honestly expect otherwise?
>
>4) No Big Name Vendors will support the TT/ASV. Proof of this is the
>   fact that Atari can't provide a commerically supported C/C++
>   compiler for the ASV. Instead Atari is merely packaging the public
>   domain FSF GNU compilers. While these are fine tools, they should
>   be classed as "experimental" and aren't commerically supported.
>   Do you really think that you can call someone at Atari to get help 
>   when you find a project killing bug in the GNU compilers? I think not.

There are several companies selling commercial support for GNU tools.
If you'd ever examined a GNU package you would know this already. As
for the "experimental" status of GCC - perhaps the support for SPARC,
i860, and other "new" chips is still experimental, but the Motorola 68k
support is very very stable, as is the Vax support (not that that's
particularly relevant here...). If you knew anything at all about gcc,
you might recall that 68k and vax were the original targets supported
by gcc, and as such are the most mature. If you sift through the gnu.gcc.bug
newsgroup I doubt you'll be able to find a 68k bug report (and not for
lack of use, either - consider the fact that the gcc/68k compile speed
is a standard factor in the SPECmark benchmark, used by nearly all workstation
vendors these days. Or that the NeXT machines all ship with kernels
compiled by gcc...).

Packaging these compilers is a smart move - good quality software for free,
and unlimited future updates for free. What more can you ask for?
>
>5) No third party support for peripherals. In this day and age of
>   650 meabyte magneto-optical read/write disk drives, and 1.3
>   gigabyte Digital Audio Tape drives, where are these for the
>   TT/ASV? They don't exist for the ASV and given Atari's proven
>   track history of non-support here in the USA, you won't see them
>   sold here either. Maybe in Germany but not in the USA. 

Unix is unix, SCSI is SCSI, VME is VME. SCSI & VMEbus device drivers for
Unix are everywhere.
>
>6) ASV won't support TT programs. It is a known fact that the ASV
>   package can't run TOS/GEM programs. So, that means exiting UNIX,
>   which is no simply task in of iis self, and rebooting into TOS.
>   All other systems (SCO UNIX and MAC A/UX) allow their native OS
>   programs to run from within their UNIX. But once again Atari
>   Corp is too little and too late.

This isn't a factor when you're talking about breaking into the workstation
market. HP/Apollo/Sun users aren't gonna have (m)any TOS programs lying
around to worry about anyway. PC and Mac users moving up from DOS or the
Mac OS are too entrenched in their own private hells to consider as a
market alternative (although migrating to a TT would allow preserving much
of their peripheral investment...).
>
>so, if you care to argue the viability of the Atari ASV package
>please respond to my six points above. But remember the market place
>is the final judge and if ASV doesn't sell it won't last!! No one
>is going to buy ASV just to play games (and we all know that the
>TT030 is just a fancy games machine !!).

Nah, the Amiga is a fancy games machine. Not sure what the TT030 is...
>
>sincerely yours for the flaming
>
>-- 
>Richard E. Covert                 covert@cactus.org
>CACTUS                  ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert 

Hm. Yours for the flaming, eh? And president of an Atari user group, no less.
Lessee, at a guess I'd say you intentionally post this ludicrous stuff just so
you'll have interesting gossip to bring back to your user group meetings...
Pretty good scam; while other people have to go rummaging around begging for
scraps of Atari innuendo you get it all gratuitously crammed into your
mailbox. Not bad at all... I shoulda thought of that when I was with WAUG...
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

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