Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon, 15 Apr 91       Volume 91 : Issue 210
 
Today's Topics:
                    Buy Atari stocks now (2 msgs)
                    DC_LEFTY (they made it wrong)
                        Desk accessories woes.
                     from Dave Small ... (2 msgs)
                     GCR/1.2 gig drives (2 msgs)
                     GEM --> GDOS font conversion
                 Help with MiNT/MGR - I'm confused!!
                    Mac Rom availability (2 msgs)
                Midiplay 0.2 uploaded to atari.archive
                     new uploads to atari.archive
                    New uploads to atari.archive.
                       PORTABLE ADDICTION # 00
                         Re: Flash & QuickST
                       Re: Z*Net International
                                rufus
                           SPectre dealers
                               TURBO C
                              using gcc
 
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Date: 11 Apr 91 19:07:44 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.
 csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!tvcent!comspec!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@
 arizona.edu (Shervin Shahrebani Of 250/744)
Subject: Buy Atari stocks now
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I was talking to a dealer yesterday and he told me (here in Toronto) that now is
the time to buy Atari stock.  It is at its lowest and should be going up in the
near future.  Anyone here own Atari stocks?  I am interested in buying a few
shares (I don't have much cash) and want to know the prices roughly?  Also,
considering I live in Toronto Canada, how would I go about doing this?
 
S.S.
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 21:53:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@a
 rizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Buy Atari stocks now
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <671437163.0@egsgate.FidoNet.Org>,
     Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@f744.n250.z1.FidoNet.Org writes ... ]
 
> I was talking to a dealer yesterday and he told me (here in Toronto) that now
 is
> the time to buy Atari stock.  It is at its lowest and should be going up in
 the
> near future.  Anyone here own Atari stocks?  I am interested in buying a few
> shares (I don't have much cash) and want to know the prices roughly?  Also,
> considering I live in Toronto Canada, how would I go about doing this?
 
Atari stock is traded on the American Stock Exchange (AMEX). Friday's
close was 2-7/8 (two and seven-eighths U.S. dollars per share). If you're
interested in investing, talk to a Canadian stockbroker. You should know
that there may be a minimum trade (perhaps in the hundreds of dollars)
and you should expect to pay commissions.
 
 ----
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org
 
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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 91 22:48 EST
From: <JCONTOMP%TUFTS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: DC_LEFTY (they made it wrong)
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 Of all the stupid, dextrographic things to do, DOUBLE_CLICK Software
released a program which reverses the left and right mouse buttons
so left-handed people can use a mouse left-handed.  But, the programmers,
who must be right-handed, neglected to reverse the ARROW POINTER!  It
still points up and to the left.  If you're left-handed, it has to point
up and to the right.  Why can't society society recognize the
special needs of levographic humans?
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 23:54:09 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu.
 edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!batserver.cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@arizona.edu
 (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Subject: Desk accessories woes.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 08:18:14 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!apple!well!dsmall@arizona.edu
 (David Small)
Subject: from Dave Small ...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 Many people I met at CEbit '91 requested me to post into here my
net address; please "follow back" the routing this message took to
get to you to find the way to my signon here at dsmall@well.sf.ca.us  ...
 
        Apparently I overwhelmed the email capacity of my signon on
the Well at 256K bytes while in Germany; many messages bounced, all of those
during March. I apologize; I was on vacation, and did not know the Well
imposed Email limits. (It's just as well; you pay for space above a certain
amount).
 
        While I'm making an attempt to support users here, it's difficult;
many messages "bounce" when I try to reply, and I haven't the foggiest notion
why. ("unknown system ID? hunh?") I put most of the effort into supporting
questions on comp.sys.atari.st simply because about 50% of my email replies
bounce back to me and never reach their destination, whereas atari.st makes
it there.
 
        During times of heavy software development or colicky children I'll
periodically "miss" here; it'll happen. I apologize in advance, but I'll try.
For instance, it's currently 2 AM here, and I'm due to visit my mother in law
tomorrow.. *gack*..
 
        In response to the 1.44 mbyte question, I have no idea how a 1.44 meg
drive could work; we have no, zero, zip software support in it in Spectre
3.0.
Perhaps Apple installs a device driver for Apple File Exchange? You got me.
The step rate can be altered if you go after Spectre with something like
MacsBug or TMon, which are becoming available in Spectre compatible
versions. In the meantime, until Atari or someone sets a high density
standard, we don't know what to do -- support 78 different boards and
controllers? Support thr few 1772's that work at high speed? I don't know.
We did reserve shift F1 and shift F2 for mounting high density, but that's
it; there is -no- code "hooked in" to those keys right now.
 
        In response to the 68030 question, the 68030 SST is coming along quite
nicely. We're doing final tuning of the "George Memory Unit" controller,
software compatibility testing, and entering Beta testing phase. We've toyed
with 50 Mhz, but the overall system gives better throughput at 33 Mhz due to
burst mode being available at that speed, so we'll probably "top end" right
now
at 33.
 The performance is still quite interesting; I'll post some Q-Index
benchmarks
(or dhrystones, whatever ...) as soon as we get the boards "cast in concrete"
to
what people will be getting. That should occur within this week; we wanted
to test at 50 Mhz due to many requests at CeBIT.
 
        As always, if UseNet mail doesn't get through (likely), our fax
is at (303) 791-0253, and has a patient, attentive manner.
 
        Sorry for the length of the message; lots to cover.
 
        Dave Small / Gadgets by Small / Hey, it's my birthday
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 23:41:19 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_
 Retelle@arizona.edu
Subject: from Dave Small ...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
>Dave Small / Gadgets by Small / Hey, it's my birthday
 
Hey Dave...!     Happy Birthday..!!
                                           :)
 
BobR
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 22:59:15 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!milton!ale
 xd@arizona.edu (Alex Danilchik)
Subject: GCR/1.2 gig drives
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have a chance to purchase a micropolis (i believe)
1.2 gig drive.  I would like to hook it up to my ST and
use it for MAC via my GCR.  I figure i can hang it off
my thru port on my Quantum/Supra host set up.
 
I was reading in the 3.0 update manual that Spectre's formatter
maxes out at 256 megs.  Does this mean i have to get the drive
preformatted for MAC?  also.. will i have any trouble hanging it
off my Quantum/Supra etc etc..
 
thanks
cheers!
gunnar
alexd@milton.u.washington.edu
 
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Date: 15 Apr 91 00:50:28 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd
 @arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: GCR/1.2 gig drives
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Apr14.225915.24345@milton.u.washington.edu>,
 alexd@milton.u.washington.edu (Alex Danilchik) writes:
>I have a chance to purchase a micropolis (i believe)
>1.2 gig drive.  I would like to hook it up to my ST and
>use it for MAC via my GCR.  I figure i can hang it off
>my thru port on my Quantum/Supra host set up.
>
>I was reading in the 3.0 update manual that Spectre's formatter
>maxes out at 256 megs.  Does this mean i have to get the drive
>preformatted for MAC?  also.. will i have any trouble hanging it
>off my Quantum/Supra etc etc..
>
 
Just FYI, in the March 1991 issue of ST Informer there is an article on
how to connect a 1.2gig drive to the ST.  I did not read it in detail, but
the guy did succeed.  You may wish to order this issue to check it out.
--
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
             Mickey R. Boyd          |  "Kirk to Enterprise.  All clear
          FSU Computer Science       |      down here.  Beam down
        Technical Support Group      |      yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
      email:  boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu  |
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 22:06:42 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!texsun!conv
 ex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William Rosencranz)
Subject: GEM --> GDOS font conversion
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <154@daily-planet.concordia.ca> agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca
 (Agostino Deligia) writes:
>       Does anyone on the net know of a utility which would allow me to
>convert a bunch of GEM (*.FED) fonts to GDOS format?  I use Uniterm V2.0e 011
 
yes. i wrote one recently. it is very simple. just swap bytes in all
word/long values. i thought i might have posted it with manpager, but
maybe not. if you can't write your own, mail me and i'll post it. now
that i think of it (since i don't have GDOS), i wrote it the other way
'round (GDOS .fnt -> GEM .fed). still, the transform is symmetrical in
that applying it twice gives the original file. GDOS uses (goofy) intel
byte order...
 
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
--
Bill Rosenkranz            |UUCP: 
Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra%c1yankee@convex.com
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 14:20:35 GMT
From: bagate!sugaree!bill@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Shrubber - one who
 creates/sculpts shrubbery)
Subject: Help with MiNT/MGR - I'm confused!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
hi,
 
I am in need of help with MiNT and MGR.  I know that they will work on
my system configuration meets the minimum requirements - I have a 520ST with
2.5 meg and a 30 meg hard drive. I down-loaded the two of them from GENIE,
(which, by the way took forever even at 2400 baud),  and am having trouble
getting MiNT/MGR to operate correctly.
 
Okay, here's the root of the problem... I can get both MiNT and MGR to
start, but each time I try to open a window in MGR I get this "Cannot
get pty"  -  quite frankly I have no idea what this means and have no
way of finding out.  The documentation that came with the two sucks and does
not offer any real information.   Heres my second problem; I cannot figure
out way the commands that tell MGR/MiNT where to find its own programs to
work, Ex: "make mgr INSROOT=<directory info> TARGET=<directory info> install"
 
What I am looking for are clear, simple instructions for setting up and
using MiNT and MGR on an Atari, because I couldn't get what I needed from
the existing docs (thought they were cryptic).
 
If anyone out there is willing to help, you have my thanks in advance.
 
P.S.  PLEASE NO FLAMING - I'm only looking for alittle help.
 
 
Bill
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 18:40:30 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!noc.MR.NET!g
 acvx2.gac.edu!cobber!cobber.cord.edu!weber@arizona.edu (Michael Weber)
Subject: Mac Rom availability
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am looking for a source for the Mac 128k system roms.  If anyone has
information about where I could buy them, I would appreciate the information.
 
Mike Weber at    Weber@cobber.cord.edu
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 23:28:41 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.e
 du (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Mac Rom availability
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Apr14.184030.3697@cobber.cord.edu> weber@cobber.cord.edu
 (Michael Weber) writes:
>I am looking for a source for the Mac 128k system roms.  If anyone has
>information about where I could buy them, I would appreciate the information.
>
 
I read something in one of the Amiga newsgroups that the ROMs are available
from Apple's Pacific distributor in Hong Kong for $25 (no typo).  Also,
Toad Computers has them, but they are a bit expensive.  I don't have their
number available, nor do I have any other info about Apple's distributor,
unfortunately.
 
(Apparently, Toad bought some Macs and took the ROMs out. :~)
 
 
--
         Ed Krimen  ...............................................
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
   |||   INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu  FREENET: al661
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261        FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
 
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 00:44:07 PDT
From: sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com
Subject: Midiplay 0.2 uploaded to atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've uploaded Midiplay 0.2 to atari/new on atari.archive.  It is a Midi
File Format player (*.mid files) which will play formats 0 & 1.  It
doesn't have any frills, but it seems to work.  It is written in Sozobon
C and comes complete with source.  I am wanting people to use/test the
program and the send suggestions back to me so I can make improvements.
The program is FREEWARE and I don't mind if you use the code in your own
proggies (effectively PD).
 
Sample midi files can be found on ucsd.edu.  At the moment I'm a little
short of test MFF files myself (having only the ones on ucsd) so can
anybody rectify this situation?
 
                                Thanks,
                                                -Steve Goldthorpe

XEROX CIN:  SGoldthorpe:wgc-e:rx | Rank Xerox Ltd,
ARPA:  goldthor@arisia.xerox.com | Workstation Software Group,
  sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com | European Software Development Centre,
XEROX INTELNET:       8*668-2350 | Welwyn Hall, Bessemer Rd,
PHONE:            +44 707 382350 | Welwyn Garden City, HERTS.
MESG TOOL:   15556.25220325363.0 | AL7 1LQ   ENGLAND

 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 23:18:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
 state.edu!csn!boulder!tramp.Colorado.EDU!millert@arizona.edu (MILLER TODD C)
Subject: new uploads to atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Just uploaded the following files to atari.archive.umich.edu
 
showmem4.lzh : shows all available memory, not just largest chunk
tlc_fixr.lzh : replace one text string in a program with another
tlc_book.lzh : address book
tlc_form.lzh : disk formatter - .prg or .acc
dmj_gif.lzh  : convert .gif files to spectrum format - slow but scales well
dterm_1i.lzh : Dterm version 1.0i - latest version (w/ docs + update.txt)
 
 - todd
--
Todd C. Miller                    | "But all the politiCIAns now
millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU        |  They have no excuse
al804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu       |  They just hide behind their power
University of Colorado @ Boulder  |  And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 21:15:54 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.e
 du (Ed Krimen)
Subject: New uploads to atari.archive.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The following files were sent to atari.archive.
 
19840  fcalc25.lzh - Financial calculator with GEM interface.
 3072    muzak.lzh - Plays a tune in the background.
 7009    panic.lzh - Shoot-em up.  No docs.  Works in all resolutions.
60416 sb_other.lzh - Some utilities for use with SuperBoot 7.0.
 
 
BTW, that STARWARS animation at atari.archive is excellent.  And if you're
looking for a terminal program that doesn't need any special emulation,
DTerm is great.  It's built-in Zmodem is also excellent.  Thanks to whomever
uploaded these files.
 
 
--
         Ed Krimen  ...............................................
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
   |||   INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu  FREENET: al661
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261        FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 21:23:52 GMT
From: stub@sun.com (Stuart Baker)
Subject: PORTABLE ADDICTION # 00
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Sorry to have to post this but multiple mail messages to
Peter have bounced.
 
Peter,
        I would like to purchase Rygar and Xenophobe if they
are still available.
        stu  (stub@eng.sun.com (415) 336-2342)
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 22:36:49 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!wide
 ner!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!silver.egr.msu.edu!schultzd@arizona.edu (The
 Michael Schenker Group)
Subject: Re: Flash & QuickST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have the same problem with QuickST 2.2 and MicroEmacs (3.9 I believe, maybe
 3.10)
 
It appears to be QuickST problem as I've seen it happen on some STuff as
well (of course, maybe the other STuff was just written wrong).
 
Even with the cursor problems, I'm still a big QuickST fan!
--
  |||   David W. Schultz                           |||
  |||   uunet[!rutgers!mailrus]!frith!schultzd     |||
 / | \  Work Phone: (517)-353-8891                / | \
/  |  \ "Just gimme a STacy laptop!"             /  |  \
 
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Date: 14 Apr 91 01:05:07 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!min
 dlink!a341@arizona.edu (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: Z*Net International
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I agree.  ZNET is available in a number of different places.  Let us
not waste bandwidth posting it here.
bill
 
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Date: 15 Apr 91 00:03:38 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.m
 u.edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick
 Allison)
Subject: rufus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
wolfram@cip-s08.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Wolfram Roesler) writes:
 
>>[with the] internal Xmodem or Ymodem, it does a disk access every kilobyte.
>>Needless to say, this is not good.  Is there a way around this, or are
>>you pretty much expected to use the external Zmodem that is provided?
 
>Using ZModem is highly recommended. My version of rz only accesses the disk
>at the end of the file, meaning that it receives the file into memory and
>then saves it after EOT.
>I have never tried the internal X/YModem. The external ZModem is much better,
>also because it starts automatically.
 
Trouble is, I can't get Zmodem to work in multi-tasking mode when using
RUFUS as a desk accessory.  X/Y is slightly slower, but when you can do
other work while the download is taking place, who cares!
 
Rufus is really great!
Warwick.
--
  _--_|\        warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /      *  <--  Computer Science Department,
 \_.--._/       University of Queensland,
       v        AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 15 Apr 91 03:54:36 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!netcom!yonder
 @arizona.edu (Christopher Russell)
Subject: SPectre dealers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have finally got some mac roms, but I cant find any dealers carrying
Spectres..  Does anybody happen to know of any dealers that have them?
NOTE:  just cuz it is in there add don't mean they have 'em...
 
--
Christopher Russell (yonderboy) yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com
 
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Date: 15 Apr 91 08:26:40 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.m
 u.edu!munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!t821431@arizona.edu (Richard
 Clarkson)
Subject: TURBO C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
xx
 
Does anybody know if Borland Turbo C is available in English for the
Atari-st?    What is the latest revision?
             Where is it available from?
             Does Borland have a mailing address?
 
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Date: 11 Apr 91 01:07:14 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!min
 dlink!a341@arizona.edu (Bill Moore)
Subject: using gcc
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I am new to the net and notice a fair amount of discussion about gcc.
I am a recreational c programmer, and use mostly mark williams c.  Things I
like about it are the integrated cli, a fairly fast emacs editor, and
relatively small code.  It isn't ansi, its not public domain, and there isn't
likely to ever be an mwc c++.  It also has a pretty good source level debugger.
It assembly language format is weird tho.
        I would be interested in hearing from users of gcc about what they like
and what they don't.         If people think this is appropriate for the whole
net, fine; if not e-mail me and I will post a summary.
        Thanks!!
Bill
 
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