Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 10 Jul 91       Volume 91 : Issue 383
 
Today's Topics:
                    amiga 68010,and 68000 16 mhz?
                  Another vote for a 1 meg Mgif!!!!
                        APPLE + IBM Agreement
                      Atari makes positive move
                Broken arc update routine in Dcopy3.6
                    Double Click programs (3 msgs)
                        FOR SALE: ATARI 1040ST
                  Help with relocating program info.
                Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #382 (2 msgs)
         Info about PD ST Midi Sequencers and DX librarians ?
                       Lattice C Assembly Lang.
                          MEGA STE problems
                               Mgif 3.5
                       skates.lzh at terminator
                    The Apple and IBM deal (long)
                     trakst2.prg - colour only??
                         Trakste v1.1 vs v1.0
                        XCONTROL & Mouse Accel
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 21:39:02 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!hanauma.jpl.n
 asa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu (Howard Chu)
Subject: amiga 68010,and 68000 16 mhz?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul10.085140.29609@att!mwood!attcc!area88>
 erick@att!mwood!attcc!area88 (Erick Tadefa) writes:
>On the Amiga you can do 16Mhz because there  conveniently is
> a 28Mhz clock you can pull and divide down to 14.32Mhz.  Don't know if there
 is a tappable  16Mhz clock on the ST somewhere however.
 
Which really means you're just doing 14.32MHz, not 16. The ST has 32, 16, and
8 MHz clocks available for use.
--
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
        Disclaimer: How would I know, I just got here!
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 16:47:11 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
 state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett)
Subject: Another vote for a 1 meg Mgif!!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
    Its been said before, but I would like to reiterate the point that there
are a ton of us 1 meg'ers out here without the ability to recompile such a
program as Mgif that would love to see a version running on our machines.
I hope someone (would it be too much trouble for the author) will recompile
another version for 1 meg'ers as outlined in the documentation and post this
binary also to the atari ftp site and usenet.  It would be greatly appreciated!
 
       I know quite a few others who feel the same....
 
           We eagerly await it's coming....
 
                             Thanks & Appreciation,
 
                                           J.J.
*************************************************************************
*     J.J.      *  Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU  *     Penn State     *
*               *                                  *     Center for     *
*  John Lehett  *  Bitnet:   JJL101@PSUVM          * Academic Computing *
*************************************************************************
*    Atari ST's!, Puzzles, Cryptos, Games, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi     *
*************************************************************************
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 20:22:41 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!ccncsu!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: APPLE + IBM Agreement
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 Just saw the compter chronicles about CD-ROM today and in their computer news
they mentioned the Apple-IBM talk. According to them the talk has slowed down
due to each side not quit trust the orther side. And what Apple is trying to
get the RISC chip tech. from IBM and IBM is interested in Apple's GUI and
software ablility. So it's more likely be the hihg end machine rather the home
computer, plus they have a lot to overcome on each other before hte whole thing
become relatity.
 It does not looks a deadth wish for ATARI, plus ATARI should not seat still any
way. Competition brings stimulation to progress. Look what workstation market
has been in the past year, NeXT, HP700 series has push the workstation to great-
er strength for less cost.
 Just my personal view.
 Tang
 sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 09:11:50 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth)
Subject: Atari makes positive move
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
No I'm not kidding! This months ST 'Luser' had a small article about how Atari
attended the Corporate Electronic Publishing Systems Show in Chicago.
 
Linotype were so impressed with the Atari TT when connected to their hardware
that they intend to have the TT on their stand at such events in the future.
 
The article mused that Atari US Marketing Chief Alwin Stumpf (formerly Atari
Germany) was probably responsible for this move. Way to go Alwin!
 
So Atari can do things right when they want to.
BTW: Atari US, can we borrow Alwin in the UK for a while?
 
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! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own !
!                                                                            !
! Neil Forsyth                      JANET:  neil@uk.ac.hw.cs                 !
! Dept. of Computer Science         ARPA:   neil@cs.hw.ac.uk                 !
! Heriot-Watt University            UUCP:   ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil          !
! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK           "That was never 5 minutes!"              !
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Date: 10 Jul 91 19:22:09 GMT
From:
 lll-winken!aunro!alberta!herald.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bright@uunet.uu.net
 (Bob Bright)
Subject: Broken arc update routine in Dcopy3.6
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The arc update routine (-u switch) in Dcopy3.6 is buggy -- it
consistently corrupts archives.  Is there a newer version of Dcopy
that fixes this problem (or even an older version that works)?  Or
does anyone have another *fast* arc updater?  Thanx,
BBB
--
Bob Bright <bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Man  R3T 2N2  (204) 474-9105
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 17:00:36 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek)
Subject: Double Click programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
How about a program that installs the 8x8 font as being the standard
GEM font for titles and verbatim (non-icon) directory listings for
monochrome monitors.  I really do not appreciate the 8x16 fonts.
 
Is this possible?  Hope so!
 
--
Ralph P. Sobek                    Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
ralph@laas.fr                              Addresses are ordered by importance.
ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph
If all else fails, try:                               sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU
Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66  FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55  FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77
===============================================================================
Got a Mega 4 ST.  Wishing it was a Mega STe!  :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ;
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 20:36:10 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Su
 n.COM!newstop!eastapps!juggler!gaudreau@arizona.edu (Joe Gaudreau (Dances with
 PostScript))
Subject: Double Click programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes:
=How about a program that installs the 8x8 font as being the standard
=GEM font for titles and verbatim (non-icon) directory listings for
=monochrome monitors.  I really do not appreciate the 8x16 fonts.
=
=Is this possible?  Hope so!
 
Probably.  How about a mondo-program combining all of the little tiny
ones (w/user defaults).  That would be cute, eh?
 
Are there any PD programs to install low/medium rez fonts and a supply
for them?  The Turbo-C editor has it's own fonts and is a pleasure to
use on a color system.  I'd like to do this with uEmacs and other
programs...
 
Thanx.
 
Joe
-=-
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 20:52:42 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu
 (Claus Brod)
Subject: Double Click programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes:
 
>How about a program that installs the 8x8 font as being the standard
>GEM font for titles and verbatim (non-icon) directory listings for
>monochrome monitors.  I really do not appreciate the 8x16 fonts.
 
>Is this possible?  Hope so!
 
Yes, of course. By using GEMINI 8-)
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,                  Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany                 (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 10 Jul 91 12:22:11 GMT
From: rit!cci632!th@cs.rochester.edu (Tim Hinton)
Subject: FOR SALE: ATARI 1040ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
CORRECTION: This is For Sale.......thanks Dan....Tim
==============================================================
Hardware:
Atari 1040ST Computer (Midi Port)
Atari 1224 Color Monitor
Haba 1200 Baud Modem
 
Software:
Timeworks; Desktop Publisher & Word Writer, GridIron Football, Make-It-Move
Animation, Flash Telecommunications software, plus public domain software
 
Includes cables, manuals, and books............$450.00
 
Tim Hinton...(716)654-6894....Rochester, NY....
 
==============================================================
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 14:38:17 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!unmvax!nmt.edu!
 george@arizona.edu
Subject: Help with relocating program info.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I need information regarding the layout of a executable program file,
i.e. header information, relocating information and how stored.  Any
help is, well, helpful.
 
George
 
george@nmt.edu
 
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 11:55:07 CDT
From: Mike Dorman <MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #382
To: Atari List <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
Has no one else noticed that in addition to the Portfolio, the computers that
the engineer is sitting at (just before Linda Hamilton blows the ever-living
Hell out of 'em) at home are all Ataris, as well?  I though everyone would
notice that, but after several comments on the Portfolio, no one else has
mentioned this...
 
Mike.
 
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: Mike Dorman : Internet:  mdorman1@ua1vm.ua.edu :
:             : BIX:       mike.dorman           :
:             : GEnie:     M.DORMAN2             :
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 11:49:19 CDT
From: Mike Dorman <MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #382
To: Atari List <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
On Wed, 10 Jul 1991 08:00:17 MST Info-Atari16 said:
>I noticed that they have 4 places that you can get a hold of them at:
> by mail, (to Switzerland, and I am in Canada);
> or through one of the following (all of which I don't have access to, I don't
>    think):
>       COMPUSERVE      ID 100016,156
>       BIX             ID DCANEVESI
>       DELPHY          ID DCANEVESI
>(ALCHIMIE Jr, copyright (c) 1989,1990 Prosoft Informatique.)
>Any help would put me in thorough blissfulness.  Please help me soon.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Brett Hagman (umhagma1@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
Ah, but you *do* have access--just send your message to 1000016.156@compuserve.
com, and the message should get to them just fine, and they should be able to
mail you, although that may be a premium service, I don't know for sure.
 
Mike.
 
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: Mike Dorman : Internet:  mdorman1@ua1vm.ua.edu :
:             : BIX:       mike.dorman           :
:             : GEnie:     M.DORMAN2             :
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Date: 10 Jul 91 20:12:08 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!wsl!wsl.ie@uunet.uu.net (Colm Smyth on wsl)
Subject: Info about PD ST Midi Sequencers and DX librarians ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've an Atari ST, a Yamaha DX11, and a MIDI cable and I'd like to get them
together in a meaningful way! If you know where I can get hold of
 
        (a) a PD/ShareWare/cheap seqencer program
        (b) a ditto DX voice librarian
 
please reply by e-mail.
 
I'm especially interested in programs that work on a monochrome monitor as
my colour monitor is recently deceased.
 
If I receive any requests to summarise, I'll do so using the same medium
(posting or e-mail).
 
Thanks!
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 14:37:45 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n1y98@uunet.uu.net (David 'Thrash' Black)
Subject: Lattice C Assembly Lang.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have been using Lattice C for a couple of years now. Originally in it's
metacomco incarnation and then in it's HISOFT version. I have written
several largish programs under the HISOFT version two of which included
68000 assembly language routines.
 
        I can't say that I ever had any problems intergrating the assembly
language with the C. HISOFTS CSET directive is simply a vehicle by which
the program, data and uninitialised data sections of a C program can be
accessed from assembly language.
 
The only problems which I did find with the CSET directive is that it can be
too strict. The assembler will not allow mixed instruction and data values
with in the main code section. This problem caused particular problems when
I was attempting to compile the ST MINIX sources which use this schema to
em-bed the jump vectors within the boot sector code. However reverting back to
Devpac and assembling to a GST format object module solved that problem.
 
        On the whole I have found Lattice C to be one of the best developement
environments which I have seen on the ST. The linker is as fast as I have ever
seen, it's just a shame that the compiler is slightly on the slow side!.
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 21:02:46 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
 isc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: MEGA STE problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Well, what I meant was Allen, even if I did want to fix it, I would have
to PAY for it, the WIMPY 90 day warranty ran out long ago.
 
You must be joking if you think I am going to pay for something I should
have recieved in working order in the first place.
 
Perhaps given the complexity of manufacturing, and Atari's supplier track
record.  Maybe we should have a 1 year warranty eh?
 
--Greg Carter
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 20:40:41 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!rosenkra@arizo
 na.edu (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: Mgif 3.5
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
since more than one of you out there need smaller version to fit
on 1 MB system, i will create a version to fit and ftp it to a.a
this weekend. it will still be big, so no big DAs, TSRs, etc. i'll
try and keep it under 850k or so. but remember it won't do large
images. u get what u pay for...
 
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
 
--
Bill Rosenkranz            |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!c1yankee!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra%c1yankee@convex.com
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 12:03:04 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid)
Subject: skates.lzh at terminator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <5522@ryn.mro4.dec.com> miskinis@aidev.enet.dec.com (John Miskinis)
 writes:
>
stuff deleted
 
>Has anyone out there been successful in getting SKATES.LZH to work
>for them?  I'm *REAL* excited over the existence of a skateboarding
>game for the ST, and the comments say BIG, and FUN...
>
I have extracted and played Skates. It is not really a skateboard game in
my opinion. It is more of a fast run down this diagonal street in which
you avoid things like trees. Graphics and sound are not bad, though I've
seen much better. The action is alright for awhile, but I grew tired of it.
 
 
Stephan
 
 
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  pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu      Stephan R. Cleaves      Salamanders Are Cool...
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Date: 10 Jul 91 23:27:03 GMT
From: world!azog@uunet.uu.net (azog-thoth)
Subject: The Apple and IBM deal (long)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This is just my humble opinion about the IBM and Apple deal...
 
Atarians (Atarites?) and Amigiods have no need to fear about
the IBM and Apple deal. The way I understand it is that they
are trying to develop a RISC architecture standard, for a
few reasons. There seems to be a coupla camps for RISC technology:
DEC signed with Microsoft, SCO, and a few others, to develop a
standard interface (or OS) for RISC machines, this is an attempt
to stop the Sun Sparc from becoming the standard. The IBM and
Apple deal is another attempt, but IBM will supply the processor
in the form of the R/6000 chipset, and Apple will supply the GUI
for the machine.
 
Another part in the IBM Apple deal is to try to put Microsoft
out of buisness (or to stop them from developing a RISC
standard). They way most people see it, Microsoft wrote MS-DOS
for the IBM PC and compatables, and thats been around for 10 years,
and they wrote Windows (never mind that there isnt a bit of original
programming in Windows), so if they do anything on RISC, they have
to get it.
 
Myself, personally, I would love to see Microsoft slammed out of
existance. Theyve been around too long, and are developing a
marketing scheme to exclude everyone else, in other words
a monopoly. Look around, youll see it today, in the form of
MS-DOS. Its become such a standard that I would guess 80%
of new computer users/buyers will by a PC clone, because thats
all they know is available. Never mind the Mac, Atari and Amiga
platforms, which each in itself are better than the standard PC
clone, its visability.
 
I will shout with gladness when Microsoft ceases to exist. The
coming months and years will be 1981 all over again. Remember
then, when there was a mass exodus from CP/M based platforms
to IBM PC? The same will happen with RISC based machines, and
Microsoft wants to do the same thing: have MS-DOS (or whatever)
the only visiable contender for RISC stations.
 
So, anyways, using Atari will put us in the same catagory as CP/M
people today: just a bit behind the times. Youll note, and I have
no shame in saying this: I still own and use daily CP/M based
machines. Today, with MS-DOS being so standard, one gets a slight
dirty feel when he mentions that he uses Mac/Atari/Amiga, etc.
I heard someone state the other day 'Why would someone buy such
a deadend system like an Amiga or a NeXT?', becuase this person
is question has been de-personalitized by Microsoft, there is nothing
else outside of his existance.
 
Microsoft also wants to develop a Windows for the Mac (rumor).
Do Mac people read this group? Who wants to see Microsoft Windows
run in the place of the much more powerful and elegent Finder?
Your average user doesnt care about power, or elegance, or stuff
like that. Theyll see that Windows is now available on Macs, and
since he uses Windows on a PC, it must be good. Otherwise, why
would PC clone sales be greater than the rest, and why such a
predominance in PC clone related stuff (software is easy, try to
get software for an Atari, it can be done, but not so easy).
Because of their ignorance. Shatter their illusion about PC clones,
shove RISC in their face, and lets see them quake in their shoes.
 
Death to Microsoft! 10 years as a computing platform is way too
long. As a hardware platform, a 10 year old architecture isnt
bad (80x86). Why, DEC has a platform going over 20 years old
(the PDP-11 is still selling strong, and the latest contenders
are still being produced, and
-
 
However it may scare you that the big old bad Big Blue monster
is going to set yet another standard, its probably better that
way, then to let Microsoft guide the way. People will by the
IBM machines for the same reason as the buy other IBM machines:
its IBM, IBM been around for years, and they are the leader, and
so they must be good. We know thats not always true, but the same
case with visablilty...
 
Death to Microsoft, and to the Intel 80x86!!
 
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Billy D'Augustine         | Close your eyes, what do you see? Dreams in   |
| azog@world.std.com        | rhyme with reality.  -  Fates Warning         |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 15:28:50 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!grahamt@uunet.uu.net (Graham Thomas)
Subject: trakst2.prg - colour only??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I just downloaded trakst2 (the soundtracker player for STs as opposed to
STEs) from the binaries group.  It reboots my machine (1040STF with TOS
1.4) when I try to run it.  I have a mono monitor.  Could it be that
this program works only with colour monitors?  It doesn't say so in the
headers or the introduction.
 
Graham
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 13:07:06 GMT
From: tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk!robotron@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
 (Stephen K Mulrine)
Subject: Trakste v1.1 vs v1.0
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I can only see cosmetic differences between these two versions of trak_ste,
and the same probably applies to trak_st.  There was a new "step" feature
but heaven only knows what it does.  So what's the difference?
 
I thought that at least the sample length bug would have been fixed, but no
dice.  (The maximum length of a sample with trakste is 8000 while other
trackers permit FFFF).
--
UUCP: ..!uunet!nsf.ac.uk!tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk!robotron
BITNET: robotron%tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk@UKACRL
INTERNET: robotron%tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 14:17:41 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: XCONTROL & Mouse Accel
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
I just got XCONTROL from a.a and tried out all the setups on my 1040STe.
When I click on the Accelerator setup button, the disks whirrs, reads in the
CPX file, and then I get a dialog box the tells me that I need to run the
mouse accelerator program first. Where is this program? Is it PD?
 
Bob Malay
 
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