Info-Atari16 Digest         Sat, 28 Sep 91       Volume 91 : Issue 509
 
Today's Topics:
                               *.tar.Z
                  ARE THESE APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE?
                                 ARJ?
                     Atari 520st system for sale
                             Buying an ST
                           CPX Information
                               Fantasia
                 Going bonkers over Rainbow! (2 msgs)
       Looking for STMIDIEX.LZH or MIDIEXCL.LZH!!! (and others)
        Lost Boys Final Mega-Demo: Ohh Crickey, wot a Scorcher
                           MEMORY UPGRADES
                    More Lies From Atari? (2 msgs)
People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale) (2 msgs)
                  Question about SST board from GBS
               ST Magazines (was More Lies From Atari?)
             ST Magazines (was Re: More Lies From Atari?)
                         What to buy next...
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 07:47:30 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
 lumbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: *.tar.Z
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <3844@tamsun.TAMU.EDU>,
     n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes ... ]
 
 > In UNIX a tar.Z file is first uncompresses and then un-tared.
 > Some utilities do both of these for you.
 >
 > Since I can't seem to get the tar.Z file uncompressed and un-tared and
 > then into and ARC, LZH, or ZOO file that my ST will read, I need to
 > get the ST utilities to uncompress and un-tar these files.
 >
 > What do I need from the atari archive?
 >
 >   GNU-tar?  some type of uncompress program?  maybe a utility that does
 >     them both?
 
It works just like Unix. First you uncompress. Then you untar.
 
atari/archivers/ includes:
 
compress.arc    40      Unix style compress.
compress.ttp    37      Unarc'ed compress for use with sounds, magazines, etc.
compress.zoo    68      Newer release of compress. Actually, bammi's version.
sttar.arc       20      Tar for the ST, unix style.
sttarsrc.arc    19      ST Tar source.
 
By the way, I haven't gotten responses to my last couple of mailings to
bart; is there a problem?
 
 --
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota
 steve@thelake.mn.org (In winter we walk on water)
 
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Date: 25 Sep 91 18:14:29 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!uudell!fquest!FredGate@arizona.edu
 (Philip Durgin)
Subject: ARE THESE APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Parts for the Atari computer and Atari related equipment can be purchased
through BEST Electronics in California. 1-408-243-6950
 
 * Origin: Future Quest - USENET<=>Fidonet Gateway 512-451-0891 (1:19/23)
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 07:38:34 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
 lumbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <1991Sep25.163648.26716@convex.com>,
     rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes ... ]
 
 > also, using alcyon, i have NEVER been able to get a gem program to read
 > args. the few times i tried i got bus errors. maybe the gemstart i wuz
 > using was hosed or maybe (no it couldn't be!) i made some grievous error.
 
I'll bet the startup module you used doesn't support args, and you
were popping trash off the stack.
 
There's no real reason not to use the same startup module for both
GEM apps and straight .TOS/.TTP programs, unless you have some need
to save the few bytes required to parse the argument string into an
argv array.
 
Of course, the Alcyon GEM bindings might be missing some key
component (such as the crystal() function or the cntrl_cnts array for
the AES) that might be in the GEM startup file.  If that's the case,
you'd need to add the relevant modules to the library. Ah, well,
Alcyon C is pretty well buried at this point anyway.
 
I've always used a single startup module for all Sozobon-compiled GEM
applications (except Desk Accessories, of course).
 
 --
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota
 steve@thelake.mn.org (In winter we walk on water)
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 13:53:28 GMT
From:
 europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!gatech!utkcs2!duncan.cs.utk.edu!gathings@
 uunet.uu.net (Golando Gathings)
Subject: Atari 520st system for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I have the following system for sale :
 
Atari 520 ST with, external drive(ssdd), mono monitor,
  system disks, and various software ( tell me what you
are looking for ).
 
 
        external 1200 baud modem with cable and manual
 
        asking $300 , or best offer  (price includes shipping ).
 
 
All replies welcome.
 
Golando.
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 14:02:36 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!psue
 cl!mbh@arizona.edu
Subject: Buying an ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
If anyone is interested in purchasing a 520 ST computer, please contact
MIKE@ecl.psu.edu for more information
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 10:36:13 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep
 pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: CPX Information
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep25.111322.13672@vaxc.aud.auc.dk> soren@.vlsi.auc.dk (Soeren
 Michelsen) writes:
> This is my first attempt to post anything on the net. Please bear with
> me if you don't see this - and if you do bear with me anyway :-)
>
> Where do I find information on CPX module programming? Are there any
> public information available or do you have to pay $300 or so to get
> the docs from Atari Corp?
>
> If you know the answers to my problems please leave them here or
> even better mail me. Thanx!
 
 
No longer $300us, as they now have a Hackers version for some $125 or
was it $150us..
 
It would be nice if Atari would post some real info on this..
 
 
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 20:09:22 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
 .ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!jokhc@arizona
 .edu (Joshua Kronengold)
Subject: Fantasia
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Anyone have any idea why the fantasia demo wouldn't recognise a June '91 STE
as an ste?  Does it not recognise 1.62? Read it in the way that makes it think
it is 1.98? need it to be at 50htz.  HELP!
-------
< Joshua Kronengold<JOKHC@CUNYVM.cuny.edu>                            >
< "Oh Lord, what fools these mortals be!"-Robin Goodfellow            >
< "Never underestimate man's potential for stupidity"                 >
<                                       -Woodrow Wilson Smith         >
 
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1991 19:35 +0200
From: DRAGAN PROTIC <EPROTICD%yubgef51.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Going bonkers over Rainbow!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        John McConnell writes:
 
>> I just upgraded my 520STfm to 2.5MBytes and TOS 1.4! Life is good. My hard
drive, now with a diskcache, never seemed so wonderful. I'm probably last
person on the planet to have made such an upgrade. <<
 
        Oh, no! I still use TOS 1.2 ;)) and I'm pretty happy with it. Well I
don't have "autostart application" but I use STARTGEM; I don't have "new" 1.4
TOS file-selector but I use alternate fsel; I don't have folder bug fixed, but
my ICD HD driver allocates enough folders for me, and I avoid clearing of the
memory before APP's starting by using PINHEAD; my Blitter TOS has some really
weird bugs in VDI (it's one of the first blitter TOS') but i use NVDI...
 
        So as you can see, there's no real need for TOS 1.4 ;)))
 
        or for TOS 2.05. I've seen TT TOS' 3.01 Desktop and it's quite an
inprovement over the old ones (<1.6), but i prefer GEMINI.
 
        The only flaw is that all these resident PRG's occupy a lot of RAM...
So, it's time I buy some SIMMs and upgrade to 4 Megs! ;))))
 
        Dalibor
 

      eproticd@yubgdef51.bitnet <> Dalibor Lanik, using friend's account

I've seen things u people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shore
of Orion. I watched C-beams... glitter in the dark, near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost, in time... like tears... in rain. Time to die.

 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 12:58:38 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.pri
 mate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: Going bonkers over Rainbow!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <22154.28e0c841@oregon.uoregon.edu> jmconnel@oregon.uoregon.edu
 writes:
>Thought I'd pass on some happy news.... I just upgraded my 520STfm to
>2.5MBytes and TOS 1.4!  Life is good.  My hard drive, now with a disk
>cache, never seemed so wonderful.  I'm probably last person on the planet
[...]
>
>                                       
>
>************************************************************************
>* John McConnell                       'No, no, no! ... That regular  *
>* JMCONNEL@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU            rock!  Me need Phillips!'     *
>*                                                     - Gary Larson    *
>************************************************************************
 
Yes, along with every TOS 1.4 upgrade, comes a hard drive upgrade...
 
At least thats what I thought when I originally booted my system, when
going from 1.0->1.4.
 
Most people I know, or knew, always thought upgrading TOS just gave
you a more fancy desktop...and fixed bugs, they never usually think
about the large performance increase you get with your HD.
 
I was in mty MWC stage back then, and WOW, what a difference in compile
times...
 
--Greg
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 10:09:54 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!piet@uunet.uu.net (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: Looking for STMIDIEX.LZH or MIDIEXCL.LZH!!! (and others)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Would somebody be so kind to upload these to atari.archive (or make them
available in some other way). I would also like to see the programs:
 
MMM20.LZH and 1ST_NOTE.ARC.
 
I can't afford to have Genie access from Europe!!
--
Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University,
Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands.
Telephone: +31 30 531806   Uucp:   uunet!mcsun!ruuinf!piet
Telefax:   +31 30 513791   Internet:  piet@cs.ruu.nl   (*`Pete')
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 08:54:51 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!spcc386!stefan@uunet.uu.net (Stefan Posthuma)
Subject: Lost Boys Final Mega-Demo: Ohh Crickey, wot a Scorcher
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
>But I still can't find the Hidden screen!
 
I hate to spoil your fun, but the hidden screen is actually not accessible
from the main menu. It is there, but you need to do some serious hacking to
get to it.
 
By the way, Tim (Manikin) is now working on a game that features the fractal
routs from the main menu, and when it works out, it is going to be good fun.
 
---
 
Stefan Posthuma (Digital Insanity, Lost Boys)
 
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Date: 25 Sep 91 18:33:22 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!uudell!fquest!FredGate@arizona.edu
 (Philip Durgin)
Subject: MEMORY UPGRADES
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The upgrade itself hard wires to the back side of the ST mother board, with
shielded pads to keep lines going from the MMU and other chips from cross
talking to each other. The upgrade requires you to have some soldering skills,
but it will not crap out on you like the Aerco or E. Arthur Brown plug in
types.
 
 * Origin: Future Quest - USENET<=>Fidonet Gateway 512-451-0891 (1:19/23)
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 16:40:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas Darling)
Subject: More Lies From Atari?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
techno@lime.in-berlin.de (Techno) writes:
 
> Well, the ST-BOOK is available here in Germany. I've seen one here
> at my dealer two days ago.
>
> Features:
> 1 MByte RAM, 40 MB HD, cost 4000.- DM
> I/O: MIDI, DMA, parallel, serial, system bus, external mouse
> built-in modem optional, external 1.44 MByte (!) 3.5" disk drive optional
> 10h battery life on optional accu pack, rechargeable inside 2h during mains
> operation.
>
> Personal optinion: I like the thing, esp. the screen and the VectorPad.
 
What I want to know is this: Does it have a cartridge ("dongle") port?  I need
that port for my SMPTE/MIDI expander box (Unitor, from C-Lab).
 
If this is, in fact, one of the I/O's mentioned above, please inform me, for I
know not the technical terms.
 
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 13:48:27 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
 lumbia.edu!cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cunixa.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu
 (Christopher M Mauritz)
Subject: More Lies From Atari?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <VA3UR5N@lime.in-berlin.de> techno@lime.in-berlin.de (Techno) writes:
>[...]
>
>Well, the ST-BOOK is available here in Germany. I've seen one here
>at my dealer two days ago.
>
>Features:
>1 MByte RAM, 40 MB HD, cost 4000.- DM
 
$2300????  A bit steep, no?
 
>I/O: MIDI, DMA, parallel, serial, system bus, external mouse
>built-in modem optional, external 1.44 MByte (!) 3.5" disk drive optional
                ~~~~~~~~                                          ~~~~~~~~
>10h battery life on optional accu pack, rechargeable inside 2h during mains
                     ~~~~~~~~
>operation.
 
So what is it like without all the OPTIONAL equipment and how much does
this OPTIONAL stuff add to the price.
 
Are they charging this much for a 68000 based machine or does this
critter use something with a little more horsepower?
 
>Personal optinion: I like the thing, esp. the screen and the VectorPad.
 
Personal opinion:  I like the SPARC laptops that are coming out now.  I can't
                   afford one, but I like them. :-)
 
Cheers,
 
Chris
--------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing:  The only hobby perfectly tailored for
              |              anal retentive alcoholics.  :-)
--------------|              (ripped off from someone on the net...)
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 12:52:09 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.pri
 mate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In my case, I originally was waiting for a MEGA ST4, when my 1040ST's
power supply did the deep six after I installed 4 megs in it.
 
However, being a devloper, gail Johnson told me she had MEGA STE's
to sell...AND HOLY COW, it was cheaper than a MEGA 4!
 
So I got the MEGA STE 4.  I was VERY much surprised at the changes
made at the desktop...the desktop was actually USEFUL, not just
a place to launch programs from...but a place to ORGANIZE your files.
 
--Greg
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 13:03:58 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc
 .edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <0giu91w164w@cellar.UUCP> darling@cellar.UUCP (Thomas Darling)
 writes:
>dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Butler) writes:
>
>> I'm (trying) to jump ship (sorry). I LOVE my Mega, I really do, but "power
>> without the price" is dead. Also I run a DTP company, and need compatibility
>> with "everyone else", which means Mac (but I do like the ST better, but gotta
>> make money!).
 
Er, I just realized how much of dupe apple is pulling on people who buy
its hardware, after talking with my ECE Prof, he really put me straight
about just HOW BAD you get ripped off when you buy ANY Apple computer
hardware...
 
Wow, Sculley should be arrested, or maybe we should have mass education
programs that just say: "Apple Hardware...JUST SAY NO."
 
Folks, its the ripoff of the century, especially when Apple manufactures
IIFx motherboards for about $500 bucks a piece.
 
Ouch, goes the checkbook...
 
--Greg
 
PS: Check out Spectre GCR by Mr. Small...Suppport your local ATARI GOD,
    BY GADGETS BY SMALL, and reap BIG REWARDS.
 
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Date: 25 Sep 91 16:18:34 GMT
From: lll-winken!aunro!alberta!ncc!isagate!isasun-1!darius@uunet.uu.net (Darius
 S. Naqvi)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep23.171634.17869@crash.cts.com> trag@pnet01.cts.com (Jim
 Trageser) writes:
>>This begs the question, has anyone run it side by side with a TT?  I would
>>be curious to see how it compares to Atari's 68030 box.  If the speed is
>>comparable then users could save big $$$ by purchasing Dave Small's upgrade.
>
>It was faster than the TT on some applications, but not on others. Of course,
>the SST is (supposedly) 100 percent compatable with ST software, which the TT
>is not. As the GBS rep said, too, the TT and the SST are two different
>machines with different strengths which can't be measured by speed alone.
>
>But for pure number crunching, the SST looks pretty quick.
>
>UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd ucsd nosc}!crash!pnet01!trag
>ARPA: crash!pnet01!trag@nosc.mil
>INET: trag@pnet01.cts.com
 
What I'd be interested in seeing is MINIX running on an SST or TT.
Assuming someone has hacked MINIX to work on a 68030, and maybe even
tried implementing virtual memory, SST + MINIX would be a nice,
powerful, fast, cheap platform.
--
Darius S. Naqvi                    mail:darius@edm.isac.ca
ISA Corp.                         phone:(403) 420-8081
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 07:50:00 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
 lumbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: ST Magazines (was More Lies From Atari?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <1991Sep26.050648.25250seitz@netcom.COM>,
     seitz@netcom.COM (Matthew Seitz) writes ... ]
 
 > In article <A2995525430@thelake.mn.org> steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve
 Yelvington) writes:
 >>
 >>There's nothing wrong with the DTP software used to produce these
 >>magazines. The limiting factors are:
 >>
 >>   -- The output devices. Typesetting a magazine on a 300dpi laser
 >>      printer isn't going to yield professional-quality output
 >>      regardless of the software used to place the text on the page.
 >>      Some ST magazines (and ``fanzines'' is probably a good description)
 >>      can't afford any better, sad to say.
 >
 > Can't even afford to take the Postscript files down to the local printshop
 > for 600 dpi or 1200 dpi output before photocopying?  I can't believe the
 > Atari magazines are hurting that badly.
 
That was the case with Current Notes last time I saw an issue. It may
be different now. AtariUser is composed on a decent imagesetter.
 
 --
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota
 steve@thelake.mn.org (In winter we walk on water)
 
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Date: 26 Sep 91 13:06:07 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc
 .edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: ST Magazines (was Re: More Lies From Atari?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep26.044716.23689seitz@netcom.COM> seitz@netcom.COM (Matthew
 Seitz) writes:
>In article <1991Sep22.182344.11151@doug.cae.wisc.edu> carter@cae.wisc.edu
 (Gregory Carter) writes:
>>
>>Current Notes is a fine Mag.  But its quite hard to get where I am.
>>(Material or article content included is great, layout is crappy.)
>
>Easy enough problem to solve.  Subscribe! $27/year (10 issues)
>CN Subscriptions
>122 N. Johnson Rd.
>Sterling, VA 22170
>--
>                                       Matthew Seitz
>                                       seitz@netcom.com
 
Thanks Matt, I just might do that.
 
--Greg
 
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Date: 25 Sep 91 04:54:29 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!uudell!fquest!FredGate@arizona.edu
 (-Unknown-)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
References: <1991Sep23.175807.9179@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
 * Origin: Future Quest - USENET<=>Fidonet Gateway 512-451-0891 (1:19/23)
 
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