Info-Atari16 Digest         Thu, 11 Jul 91       Volume 91 : Issue 384
 
Today's Topics:
                  Amiga is better then [sic] what???
                       Atari ST Multitasking??
             Author(s) of Alchimie Jr. - A Midi Sequencer
                        Colour monitor died...
                        Double Click programs
                          GEM and C help...
                        Help in selling an ST
                               Mgif 3.5
                      Need 68000 socket adapter
                 New stuff at atari.archive.umich.edu
                         PageStream VS Calmus
                 Really dumb question about the 68000
                              skates.lzh
                       skates.lzh at terminator
                  software QDOS emulators on the ST?
                  STE paddle ports - electrical spec
                      What's the best database f
                     Who sells Turbo-C in the US
                     Zoo 2.1 - first impressions
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 16:43:21 GMT
From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <679032652.0@therip.FidoNet> Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org (Rod
 Fulk) writes:
>However if you ever want to use a computer as a multi user system well then
>niether the ST or the Amiga will work well as is..
 
Unless you run OS-9 on either of them...
 
 
--
 ##############################################################################
 # Bill Sheppard  --  bills@microware.com  --  {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill  #
 # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 #
 ##### Opinions expressed are my own, though you'd be wise to adopt them! #####
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 00:05:01 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
 -state.edu!linac!att!att!fang!tarpit!bilver!alex@arizona.edu (Alex Matulich)
Subject: Atari ST Multitasking??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org (Rod Fulk) writes:
>Most programs on the ST are powerful enough that they do not need to use
>multi tasking to get other features...
 
That's a matter of opinion.  What you end up with is a bunch of programs
doing similar things (like file dialog boxes) in different ways, resulting
in a non-uniform user interface from one application to the next.
 
>Sure the St has very well running TSR's which is the main type of programmost
>amiga people do multi task with day to day...
 
Amigas do not use TSRs.  A TSR is either running, or waiting.  TSRs don't
run concurrently with anything else.
 
>I can download in the back ground or upload.. I can run a bbs in the
>background too.. (Citadel via one of many multi tasking kernals)
>The beef is the ST doesnt really NEED multi tasking...
 
Background file transfers do not need multitasking.  You can't, however,
play a game while calculating a raytraced picture, edit a source file
while compiling another entire application, or play music while compiling
a program AND editing another AND downloading something else in the
background.  You need multitasking for that.  Once you have it, you don't
want to do without.
 
>The current features really make multi tasking pretty worthless for most
>functions.
 
Try it out first.
 
>However if you ever want to use a computer as a multi user system well then
>niether the ST or the Amiga will work well as is..
 
Unless you're running unix on the Amiga.
 
--
 _ |__  Alex Matulich
 /(+__>  Unicorn Research Corp, 4621 N Landmark Dr, Orlando, FL 32817
//| \     UUCP:  alex@bilver.uucp   <or>  ...uunet!tarpit!bilver!alex
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Date: 10 Jul 91 18:44:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!news.cs.in
 diana.edu!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Author(s) of Alchimie Jr. - A Midi Sequencer
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <1991Jul10.025516.1693@ccu.umanitoba.ca>,
     umhagma1@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dr. Phrancinstyne) writes ... ]
 
 > a few questions.  It doesn't seem that they have an internet address that I
 > could get a hold of them at, so if anyone knows who these people are and how
 > I could get a hold of them it would be extremely appreciated.
 >
 > I noticed that they have 4 places that you can get a hold of them at:
 >  by mail, (to Switzerland, and I am in Canada);
 >  or through one of the following (all of which I don't have access to, I
 don't
 >     think):
 >      COMPUSERVE      ID 100016,156
 >      BIX             ID DCANEVESI
 >      DELPHY          ID DCANEVESI
 
That CompuServe address looks fishy (most of them start with a 7, not a 1)
but you should be able to send email to any CompuServe subscriber by following
these rules:
 
     * Change the comma in the user ID to a period.
     * Add @compuserve.com
 
This method should work from any Internet site and any UUCP site running
a reasonably non-brain-damaged mailer.
 
CIS subscribers can send mail to Internet and other domain-addressed sites
by addressing it to:
 
    >INTERNET: user@site.domain
 
 where, of course, user@site.domain == your address.
 
BIX and DELPHI are not at this time reachable from the real world.
Neither is GEnie (but they're working on it).
 
 ----
 Steve Yelvington <steve@thelake.mn.org>
 Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 01:50:53 GMT
From: world!azog@decwrl.dec.com (azog-thoth)
Subject: Colour monitor died...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Does anyone know where, in the continential USA :-) I can send
my Atari Colour monitor for repair? Its an SC1224 (I think).
Shortly after it died, I opened it up, and found a blown fuse,
and when I replaced it, it blew the fuse again... Or perhaps
this is a common problem? Or perhaps someone can give a hint
where to look for a short?
 
I ordered a new SM124 monochrome monitor, new for $155. But
I do wish I had colour, but the new colours (and used) are a
tad on the expensive side.
 
In the meanwhile, I have to use a VT320 for my telecom needs :-(
 
 
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Billy D'Augustine         | Close your eyes, what do you see? Dreams in   |
| azog@world.std.com        | rhyme with reality.  -  Fates Warning         |
+---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 01:33:02 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jonh!jhender
 s@arizona.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Double Click programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1991Jul10.205242.22251@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, Claus Brod writes:
 
        ...folowup to request for 8x8 font installer.
>
>Yes, of course. By using GEMINI 8-)
>
 
        I'd like to see a DC program that allows the same keyboard window
handling that Gemini uses work with applications. Control D to close
control W to rotate through, etc. If you can do DC Topper, then this
should be possible.
        Does DC Topper work with Gemini yet?
 
--
          John Henders                          jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
          MIND over MIDI Productions    or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
          Vancouver,B.C
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 00:05:35 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
 -state.edu!linac!att!pacbell.com!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!wernst@arizona.edu
 (WarDoggie    woof woof..)
Subject: GEM and C help...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm a C newbie and am having a little trouble working with GEM.  Is
there a standard way of dealing with GEM objects?  Beyond
"objc_change," I mean -- I'll need to edit flags and such.  I've
fiddled with a few ways, none of which seem very elegant.  Could
someone post some code that will show how to load up a random number
of trees and edit any particular attribute of any of those trees?
 
Thanks...
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 04:54:11 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
 -state.edu!linac!att!pacbell.com!ucsd!sdcc6!euclid!maclab@arizona.edu
 (Macintosh Lab)
Subject: Help in selling an ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi! I'm a starving college student, and I've come to the
point where I need to sell my old Atari ST to get some money.
Two problems: first, I've been "away" from the Atari community
for a while, and I'm not sure what my equipment is worth (or
even worth selling). Second, I've never bought or sold used
computer equipment before, so I don't really know what kinds
of hassles to watch out for.
 
So my questions are:
 
  1. What's this pile of equipment worth?
     (and I'd really prefer to sell it all at once).
 
  2. What do I have to worry about when selling it
     (payment method, warranty, and all the other legal junk)
 
If you can help me with either of these questions, please email
your responses to me at sakelley@ucsd.edu. I will post a summary
to the net if there is enough interest.
 
And, incidentally, if you're interested in buying this stuff,
please let me know!
 
Here's the list of equipment:
 
  Hardware
------------
 
Atari 1040ST, Serial# A179I1025857
No internal modifications, has standard 1mb RAM
External security cable attached
Includes power cable and Mouse
 
Atari SM124 Monochrome Monitor, Serial# N172103532S
Has external security cable attached
Includes power cable
 
Stari SF314 External Floppy Disk Drive, Serial# A17B015294
External security cable attached
THIS DRIVE NEEDS SERVICE-- IT HAS FORMATTING PROBLEMS
 
E. Arthur Brown Co. 1040 Composite Cable
Allows ST to generate monochrome composite video and audio
 
Practical Solutions VideoKey
Allows ST to generate color composite video and audio.
Includes RF Modulator. Can be used to record to a VCR.
(Requires appropriate cables. Manual is missing.)
 
 
  Software
------------
 
Atari ST USA Language disk (1 disk)
  (i.e. the disk that comes with the ST)
 
Mark Williams C (4 disks)
  Ser#CAG-1488-2.1.7 or Ser# CAG-2888-2.1.7 (4 disks)
Mark Williams C 3.0 Update (3 disks)
  Ser# RAG-3288-3.0.6
 
OSS Personal Pascal V2.0 (3 disks)
  Ser# AD0S01 10895
 
Mind Mine MT-Forth 83 (1 disk)
  Ser# 862028
 
PC-Ditto (1 disk)
  Ser# 024881 (fairly old version)
 
Leisure Suit Larry, Ver 1.04 (2 disks)
   Ser# CG71770B
 
Leisure Suit Larry II, Ver 1.001.006 (3 disks)
  Ser# 1.000.159
 
 
  Misc. software (PD, Shareware, Antic, START, etc.)
  (for some of this the manuals are on disk)
------------------------------------------------------
Crystal
A-RAM
Xlisp 1.7
MicroEmacs collection
Flash 1.5 (terminal program)
A-Seka (68000 assembler)
Icon Version 7 (a programming language)
START disk, Fall 1987
 
 
  Books & Printed Materials
-----------------------------
 
Atari ST Internals, by Abacus Software
 
Printed Documentation for some PD & Shareware
 
18 Atari-related magazines (somewhat old)
 
Old Sales Brochures and Catalogs
 
NOTE: All hardware and software has the original documentation,
except where noted above.
 
 
 
Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me!
 
-----------------------------------------------
  Scott Kelley, sakelley@ucsd.edu
  6699 Beadnell Way #138, San Diego, CA 92117
-----------------------------------------------
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 03:15:33 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bryan_Jones_Woodwo
 rth@arizona.edu
Subject: Mgif 3.5
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Thanks I'll be looking forward to it.  What do you think the largest image
it will do is?  100K?
 
Bryan_Jones_Woodworth@cup.portal.com
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 05:42:53 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu
 (Howard Chu)
Subject: Need 68000 socket adapter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul3.201423.20302@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> I wrote:
>Thanks for all the replies. Every reply recommended I contact a company
>called:
>       Emulation Technology, Inc.
>       2344 Walsh Avenue, Bldg.F
>       Santa Clara, CA 95051
>       FAX: 408-982-0664
>       TEL: 408-982-0660
>
>They wanted $240 for this adapter. I ordered one anyway, despite the amazing
>cost. I'm still going to keep looking for other sources, but this is it so far.
 
If anyone else is interested, I was just told of another source, a company
called FAST Technology, based in Massachuetts. (Sorry I don't have their
address/ph# handy right now.) At any rate, they are said to sell an adapter
for a mere $45. A pittance compared to the $240 charged above.
 
FYI, the $240 adapter consists of a PLCC "plug," which is basically a squarish
block about 3/4" high, with gold contacts for the PLCC socket. This is on the
underside of a piece of PC board. This board is attached to a second board by
two rows of about 3/8" high pins/standoffs. On the second board is a standard
DIP socket (64 pins) as well as 2 rows of additional leads pointing in parallel
with the PC board surface (for attaching test equipment). It's somewhat
impractical for my needs, since I wanted something very compact for inserting
a replacement CPU...
--
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
        Disclaimer: How would I know, I just got here!
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 00:42:21 GMT
From:
 lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!sharkey!umich
 !terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@uunet.uu.net (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: New stuff at atari.archive.umich.edu
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Ok folks, there's alot of new stuff on it's way in.  Big thanks to e
everyone who's uploaded something or sent in some index updates.
I'll buy you a beer, now that I can :).
 
Here's something that Michal wanted me to post for him regarding his
recent upload:
 
A new version (1.4) of szadb debugger is available from atari.archive.
Executables, sources and documentation.  For those who are unfamiliar
with it - this is a low level ST debugger patterned after Un*x adb.
szadb keeps debugger and program screens separate thus allowing for a
sane debugging of GEM programs.  It also understands symbol tables
from many compilers.  Even if your particular one is not on the list -
you may easily add it yourself.
 
The new version adds a support for "long" 22-character symbols
optionally produced by recent versions of gcc loader.  It also can be
run not only on ST but also in all resolutions on TT automagically
adjusting itself to the current display parameters.
 
  Happy and productive debugging,
  Michal
=========================================================================
         Michal Jaegermann, ntomczak@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca
=========================================================================
 
 
Well, that's about it for now.  Have fun and stay away from dancing lamas.
 
weiner
--
Jeff Weiner  --- weiner@{engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu
 
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Date: 9 Jul 91 20:55:49 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uupsi!mpoint!ritz@arizona.edu (Chris
 Mauritz)
Subject: PageStream VS Calmus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul8.210511.4494@doug.cae.wisc.edu> carter@engr.wisc.edu
 (Gregory Carter) writes:
>Calamus?
>
>PageStream?
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
 
:-)
 
>
>Your joking right?
 
Well, I have seen both of these programs.  Calamus is by FAR a superior
product, no ifs ands or buts.
 
The only reason, however, I could see for buying an ST for DTP is a
severely tight budget.  A Mac Classic or Mac LC with Pagemaker costs
a little more, but provides superior results.  For anyone who has
serious DTP work to do, I don't think I could recommend the Atari.
For casual DTP use, an ST with Calamus is a nice cheaper alternative,
though not significantly cheaper (I think the price of the software
will make the biggest difference).
 
Cheers,
 
Chris (mellowing with age) Mauritz
 
p.s.  Does Calamus work on the TT?
--
------------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Chris Mauritz                       |People are strange
ritz@msb.com                        |when you're a stranger.
Copyright (C) 1991                  |The Doors-
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 00:06:54 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
 -state.edu!linac!att!att!fang!tarpit!bilver!alex@arizona.edu (Alex Matulich)
Subject: Really dumb question about the 68000
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul9.153501.22688@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
 schultzd@sierra.egr.msu.edu (Count Zero Interrupt) writes:
>The TOS used in machines other than the STEs and TTs is chip specific.
>That is, it will not work on anything other than a 68000.
 
Not only that, the original poster was wondering if he could plop in a
68030 in place of the 68000.  They aren't even pin compatible, let alone
bus compatible.
 
--
 _ |__  Alex Matulich
 /(+__>  Unicorn Research Corp, 4621 N Landmark Dr, Orlando, FL 32817
//| \     UUCP:  alex@bilver.uucp   <or>  ...uunet!tarpit!bilver!alex
///__)     bitnet:  IN%"bilver!alex@uunet.uu.net"
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 04:57:30 GMT
From:
 pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!aidev.enet.dec.com!miskinis@decw
 rl.dec.com (John Miskinis)
Subject: skates.lzh
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
 
        YES, I tried it in color (med and low) as well as mono...  I'm
using kermit as a transfer protocol, and I'm not sure if it's retrying
correctly when I get transmission errors...
 
        I've tried the XMODEM.EXE program (for the VAX), but have only
had limited success with it.  It seems to work for some files, and
not others.  I've disabled flow control on the terminal server...
 
_John_  (So much software to try, so little time)
 
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Date: 10 Jul 91 23:32:19 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@uunet.uu.net
 (Warwick Allison)
Subject: skates.lzh at terminator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <5522@ryn.mro4.dec.com> miskinis@aidev.enet.dec.com (John Miskinis) writes:
 
>ANYWAY, I placed the files in A:/skates/jmw as documented, but keep
>getting a mysterious "error #052, press any key"...
 
Sounds like a braindeadness error (from, say, STOS?) are you using colour?
 
Warwick.
(Then again, STrabble crashes in low rez - oops)
--
  _-_|\       warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /     *  <-- Computer Science Department,
 \_.-._/      University of Queensland,
      v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 08:09:03 GMT
From: tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk!ford@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: software QDOS emulators on the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
From what I've heard, the only ST QL emulator so far (unless Tony Tebby's
managed to get his QDOS compatable OS on the market) is the hardware/software
emulator from some german company, and I don't even know if that exists any
more. (The last QL World I got was March last year).
 
I hope that helps. Sorry I couldn't help you further (us QL owners have to
stick together).
 
Stephen Usher
 
Addresses:-
 
Janet:-         ucacmsu@uk.ac.ucl       or      ford@uk.ac.ed.cs.tardis
Internet:-      ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk       or      ford@tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk
 
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 09:49:14 BST
From: Dave Wade <DAVEW%D.SSS.CO.UK@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: STE paddle ports - electrical spec
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Has any one got any information about the electrical charactaristics
of the analoge inputs of the STE. Any information at all would be
appreciated.
 
 
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Date: 8 Jul 91 09:25:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.o
 rg!artcom0!hb.maus.de!bn.maus.de!Klaus_Guhr@arizona.edu (Klaus Guhr)
Subject: What's the best database f
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Tt>By the way, I believe it was written by the Adimens programming team.
 
Yes, it's true. The authors are Dieter and Juergen Geiss.
 
 
cu Klaus
 
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Date: 8 Jul 91 08:15:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!m.maus.de!Martin_Gaeckler@ariz
 ona.edu (Martin Gaeckler)
Subject: Who sells Turbo-C in the US
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello Jim,
 
Turbo C for the Atari ST/TT is no longer supported by Borland. Borland gave
up the Atari ST product.
There will be a new version called >Pure C<. The Distributor is Application
Systems in Heidelberg, Germany.
 
Martin Gaeckler
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 07:22:48 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!laura!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Zoo 2.1 - first impressions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I just installed the new zoo version 2.1 on my Sun SPARCstation. To get a
first (non-representative) impression of its compression rate and speed I
packed everything in the zoo installation directory (including objects and
binaries) into a zoo archive using the new zoo and specifying the new
option 'h' to get higher compression. Then I did the same with zoo 2.01,
arc 5.21 and with that LHarc that identifies itself with "LHarc for UNIX
V1.02   Copyright(C) 1989  Y.Tagawa, special Amiga option by S. Becker".
 
Here are the results:
 
        Archiver:   Comp. rate:   Comp. time:
        -------------------------------------
        zoo 2.1     61%           28.6s
        zoo 2.01    49%           13.0s
        arc 5.21    48%           17.1s
        lharc       41.5%         35.4s
 
I think with zoo 2.1 we have a very decent archiving system that not only
gives a great flexibility and a lot of possibility no other archiver
offers, but now also has the advantage of a very good compression rate. It
rules out LHarc in that respect - at least regarding my non-representative
data. Therefore here goes a big "thank you" to Rahul Dhesi!
 
However, there are two subjects that could be improved:
 
Although the old zoo 2.01 is available for the Atari ST, I couldn't find ST
specific support in the Makefile.
 
The ST version lets you do something like 'zoo a// archive.zoo *'. The '//'
in conjunction with the 'a' adds not only simple files but also directory
trees to the archive. I would like to see that as a general feature in
zoo.
 
 
--
  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
  Univ. Dortmund, IRB             klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
  Postfach 500500         |)|/    Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
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