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Info-Atari16 Digest         Fri, 21 Jun 91       Volume 91 : Issue 346
 
Today's Topics:
             Another Atari write-in campaign... (2 msgs)
                     Geneology program for the ST
                        Gnu Emacs under MiNT?
                              Hard Disks
        LC10-COLOUR printer circuit diagram wanted.  PLEASE!!
                         OS on ST(E)/TT range
                         Program of the week
        Rubrique "DU BEAU, DU BON..." ST MAGAZINE avril/mai 91
                         This week's program
                         UUPC Program wanted
                           Wanted TT owner?
                        What archiving format?
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 18:16:38 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.m
 ed.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU!lch3e@arizona.
 edu (Lauren C. Howard)
Subject: Another Atari write-in campaign...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
OK, folks, it's time for yet another write-in campaign.  Believe it or
not, they ARE effective (when a reasonable number of people write); and
this is one of the most important issues I've seen in the ST world.
 
 WORDPERFECT FOR ATARI
 Z*Net announced weeks ago that WordPerfect was going to end its Atari
 support after a cancellation of a major order by Atari Germany.  The
 story continues to develop.  The German order was for version 5.1 of
 WordPerfect, which is not yet completed and may now never be.
 
 WordPerfect programmers had prepared the code and had grafted major
 parts of the NeXT computer version of 5.1 into what was to be the Atari
 version.  Full FSM GDOS management and compatibility was also
 integrated, making the Atari WordPerfect 5.1 perhaps the most advanced
 version that would have been available on any platform.
 
 However, after
 Atari Germany canceled their advance order of 10-15,000 units under
 pressure of German developers, WP contacted Atari in Sunnyvale.  Reports
 vary somewhat, but the result of that talk seems to be that Atari Corp
 will not at this time back WordPerfect by assuring a minimum order.
 
 WP has left the matter open-ended, and does plan to
 continue the periodic bug-fixes and minor tweaks of the 4.1 version that
 is available for the Atari.  Some Atari officials are working to reverse
 the situation and persuade all parties to take whatever measures needed
 to assure production of WordPerfect 5.1 for the Atari.
 
 Ataris' developer man, Bill Rehbock, has asked Z*Net to clarify what he
 is looking for in support for a new revision of WordPerfect.  The
 company is hesitant to release version 5-point-something because of
 fears of insufficient sales.  Bill has been actively soliciting reports
 from users as to their actual reasons for buying/ not buying WordPerfect
 to date, including bug reports.
 
 So far, Bill tells Z*Net that his mail has
 been primarily negative, bashing him and Atari for flubbing the WP deal.
 
 What he NEEDS are letters to take with him to WordPerfect in July.
 Those letters should say what YOU think about WordPerfect, both in the
 current incarnation for the Atari and what would make you buy a new
 version.  Reasons you didn't buy the existing version are important too.
 Atari Corp, Bill Rehbock, 1196 Borregas Blvd, Sunnyvale, CA 94088.  And
 /or direct to WordPerfect, 1555 North Technology way, Orem, UT 84057.
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 22 Jun 91 00:00:29 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: Another Atari write-in campaign...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ABout WP for Atari ST.  How can they expect to sell it if they don't have it
:-)  Word Perfect Scandinavia didn't even know the dofference between Atari
and Commodore and they didn't have WP for any of them (they said to me)
 
 Lars-Erik  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /   ____ ______ ________________________
  Osterud  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /   /___    /            The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/   ____/   /   Klubben,  user association
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 18:33:55 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!wsu-cs!jake!pbh@arizona.edu
 (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Geneology program for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm having a family reunion next year!  We had a really great one last
year where we all said it'd be really nice to have a family tree as a
keepsake, but no-ones jumped on it yet.  I'd like to have a try at in,
only if I can find a geneology program for the ST.  PD or commercial.
Have found lots of PD stuff for the PC, but I don't think I really
want to depend on PC Ditto (soft version) for any serious work.
 
Anybody?
 
--
Patrick B. Haggood
Wayne STate University
Detroit, MI
Physics - Class of 1991 (-2?)
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 16:46:45 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!aunro!alberta!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!geog.
 ubc.ca!peter@arizona.edu (Peter Jackson)
Subject: Gnu Emacs under MiNT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I want to run gnu emacs on my 2.5M ST under MiNT with the possibility of
multiple shells etc. within emacs (ie. cmushell). Is this possible? Has
it already been done? If so, and someone could send details, I will be
pleased to summarize.
 
--
======================================================================
Peter L. Jackson               | peter@geog.ubc.ca
Atmospheric Science Programme  | pjackson@unixg.ubc.ca
Department of Geography        | usermeso@ubcmtsg.bitnet
University of British Columbia | ph:(604)822-2269 fax:(604)822-6150
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 16:39:45 GMT
From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay)
Subject: Hard Disks
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
A month ago I purchased a 1040STe and have upgraded it to 4 Megs. I now
want to buy a hard disk in the $500-$600 range preferably >= 50 Megs and
not slow with clock and ICD Adv+. Anybody got anything to say about these
choices:
 
D & P Computer's 85 MB 28 MS   $584
Joppa Computer Products 82 MB 19MS $609
Toad Computers 85MB 24MS $599
L & Y Electronics  Supra 110 MB $599
Rising Star Computers ICE Systems 85MB $579
 
If you know of anybody else in this price/performance range that I should
consider - explain ?
 
 
Bob Malay
 
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 91  15:00 GMT
From: MPPU2%CLUSTER.SUSSEX.AC.UK@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: LC10-COLOUR printer circuit diagram wanted.  PLEASE!!
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi folks,
          Does anyone out there have, or know wher to get, a circuit diagram
for the STAR LC10 colour printer ??
 
        If you do could you let me know.  Thanks
MAX
UNIVERSITY OF SUSSEX
ENGLAND
 
        UK.AC.SUSSEX.CLUSTER::MPPU2
 
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 91 17:03:05 +0100
From: Stephen Kendrick <stephenk@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>
Subject: OS on ST(E)/TT range
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        While I agree that TOS and GEM should be recompiled using at least a
half decent compiler, I do not agree with the idea of trashing the whole
thing in ROM in favour of an alternative, even if reloading it into RAM for
downward compatability were possible.
        OK, GEM does have its problems, but most are only limitations, not
the sort of thing that prevents a user/programmer from doing exactly what they
want. Take the DC team, for instance. The fact that they produce so many
excellent patches proves two things; firstly, that GEM is far from perfect,
but secondly that the whole operating system is so wonderfully open that such
enhancements are possible.
        GEM's problem stems from it's lack of updates (Atari's fault), the
quality of code produces by the compiler, and the running speed. It is
basically a good base for most applications.
        I am a great UNIX/X-Windows fan, and would very much like to get this
for my TT (to be delivered in 2 weeks), but I would never advocate the
replacement of a GUI that has served me so well since I bought the machine as
a complete novice, to now as an almost quailified System Programmer. I have the
pick of about 10 OSs to program under for my dissertation, and have chosen GEM
on the TT for it's open-ness.
        TOS and GEM in ROM are here to stay, at least as long as the ST(E)/TT
machines are popular, and I for one am still happy with the situation.
        What I would like is for Atari to allow certain parties to have copies
of the source for the purposes of enhancing and extending (as well as shrinking)
and accelerating it). For example, with the structure of GEM as it stands, it
should be possible to tell obedient GEM programs that they are running entirely
within one window, and to rewrite a small part of GEM (the rectangle list
producer and menu handler) to cope with this (like MiltiGEM?), but without the
source, I am unable to try this out.
        Such enhancements as this could only benefit two parties. Atari, and the
end user - Atari because their product would be improved, and the user because
then they could have a choice of ROMs (As long as the issue of compatibility
is faced).
        So, Atari, Lets have a system whereby *I* can get the source code for
the OS, and I only have to sign some document that binds me to any rules you
may feel necessary. Comments Alan Pratt???
 
                                                        Steve.
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 22 Jun 91 00:46:34 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!uace0@arizona.edu (ATARI
 Computer Enthusiasts)
Subject: Program of the week
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
DC Reserve was last week's Program of the week.  I was out of town, so I did
not post it...
 
DC Reserve will protect a certain amount of memory from being gobbled up by
memory hungry programs (so you can use that free memory inside the program
for other things - like DC Shower and DC Xtract Plus :-).
 
100% assembly.  ST, STe and TT compatible.
 
- mike vederman / double click software
 
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 91 22:22:58 ADT
From: Alyre CHIASSON <CHIASSA%UDEM@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca>
Subject: Rubrique "DU BEAU, DU BON..." ST MAGAZINE avril/mai 91
To: N <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
DANS LA REVUE ST MAGAZINE NUMERO 51 IL PARLE D'UN LOGICIEL
PAR LE NOM DE "FLESH" ET "FLESHTOP" DISPONIBLES AU SERVEUR
"SAPRISTI". Y-A-T-IL QUELQU'UN OU QUELQU,UNE EN FRANCE QUI
POURRAIT ME FOURNIR LE(S) NOM(S) DE(S) AUTEUR(S) ET LEUR
ADDRESSE.
MERCI
CHIASSAL@UDEM
 
 
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Date: 22 Jun 91 00:39:27 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!uace0@arizona.edu (ATARI
 Computer Enthusiasts)
Subject: This week's program
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Many people have inquired as to where they can get our program's of the week...
 
We have posted _all_ of them to comp.binaries, but alas, they have not gone
thru.  We have decided to post them here, since we can apparently pump out
the programs faster than the moderator can review them...
 
If this is a bad idea, flame me, and we'll stop, but we've received _many_
requests, and frankly, we don't know what the scoop is on comp.binaries...
 
This week's program will copy a file that has a bad sector(s) somewhere in the
file.  This archive includes docs and the program.
 
100% assembly. ST, STe and TT compatible.
 
- mike vederman / double click software
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 20:57:23 GMT
From: pmafire!mica.inel.gov!guinness!sapphire!pcsceln!johnn@uunet.uu.net
 (Jonathan Ness (SA)(m))
Subject: UUPC Program wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am looking for a good UUPC program for an Atari 520ST upgraded to 2.5 megs.
I don't have ftp access, but I do get the group comp.binaries.atari.st and
I have looked through that to no avail. Could someone direct me to a good
PD or commercial program to fill that need? Thanks in advance to all. Please
respond to johnn%pcsceln.uucp.@sapphire.idbsu.edu or this newsgroup. Later.
 
                     -Ness
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 16:19:00 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!hvaalde@uunet.uu.net (Aalderen van Harold)
Subject: Wanted TT owner?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Is there someone out there with a TT that likes to test a program for me?
Please respond with email
 
Harold van Aalderen (hvaalde@cs.vu.nl)
 
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Date: 21 Jun 91 15:27:22 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n00m4@uunet.uu.net (Dave Barratt)
Subject: What archiving format?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm a bit confused regarding the different formats available for
archiving files e.g. arc, lharc, zoo etc. Is any one of these
formats more efficient or reliable than the others, if so does
this not make the others somewhat redundant? Is there any
compatibility between the different formats?
 
In other words which format should I be using to archive my
files?
 
Cheers,
 
Dave
 
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Dave Barratt                     JANET: D.B.Barratt@uk.ac.newcastle
Computing Laboratory
University of Newcastle upon Tyne
UK
 
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