Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon, 23 Sep 91       Volume 91 : Issue 501
 
Today's Topics:
                            ARJ? (2 msgs)
                         Atari 1040ST wanted
                    Atari Computer System For Sale
                        Atari ST Games 4 Sale
                               For Sale
        Lost Boys Final Mega-Demo: Ohh Crickey, wot a Scorcher
                      MASTER TRACKS PRO FOR SALE
                       MEGA STE ROMs on MEGA ST
             Midi music learning system by Andrew Gordon
                       Neodesk background help
    People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale)
                      Printing with Spectre GCR
  Problems upgrading to 4M (was Re: SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?)
                    program compatability w/STe's
                            SMALL Editor ?
              Using gcc/g++ to cross compile for the ST
                     What to buy next... (3 msgs)
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 18:11:41 GMT
From: bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@uunet.uu.net (Harry Karayiannis)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  I agree with Bill and Steve...GEM-based interfaces are fancier and "easier"
to use....BUT the command-line is MUCH MUCH MORE powerful (especially when
you do programming, as Bill mentioned)...it really saves time.
 
  IMHO the command line is meant for advanced users, while the GEM interface
makes life easier for newcomers. Of course, the best of all is a combination
of these two (as Steve mantioned), and this is the reason Gemini is a
permanent auto-start program in my booting partition - yes, I've paid my
registration fee 8*) -
 
 
e.g.    IMHO it's easier (and faster) to type:
                ls *.o *.bak
          or    cp *.c *.h d:\
        than invoking the corresponding commands using the mouse
        in a graphic-shell like Gemini or Neodesk.
 
        On the other hand, it is convenient to have visual contact with
        almost all the operations and/or commands that are available to
        you at all times...and that's the strongest point of a GUI.
          BUT once you are familiar with the commands, CLI is defenitly
        more (much more) efficient (MHO)
 
 
 
 Just my 2 cents...
 
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Author of ATZENTA2           Harry Karayiannis          ________E-Mail_________
                     15 N.Beacon, #316   Boston Univ.  |INTERnet:
**  || ATARI   **    Allston, MA 02134   Computer Sc.  |    harryk@bucsf.bu.edu
** /||\ MegaST **    U.S.A.                            |BITnet:
=======================================================|  cscrzcc@buacca.bu.edu
--
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Author of ATZENTA2           Harry Karayiannis          ________E-Mail_________
                     15 N.Beacon, #316   Boston Univ.  |INTERnet:
**  || ATARI   **    Allston, MA 02134   Computer Sc.  |    harryk@bucsf.bu.edu
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 13:06:15 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The reason we want ARC, ZMODEM, LHARC etc as TOS programs is that you can't
use a GEM program inside lets say a BBS or an automatic comm-program
 
 Lars-Erik  /  Registered Developer  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /  ____ ______
  0sterud  /  w/ Atari Scandinavia  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /  /___    /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/  ____/   /
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 23:22:30 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!news-server.ecf!generic.physics.utoronto.ca!ist
 s!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!yorku.ca!rreiner@arizona.edu (Richard Reiner)
Subject: Atari 1040ST wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
For a friend who wants to get into MIDI cheaply:
 
Wanted: 1 stock Atari 1040ST with monochrome monitor and mouse.
Nothing else required: no extra hardware or software.  Preferably from
somebody on the east coast; but for the right price she'll buy from
anywhere.  If you've got one, quote us a price, please.  Please
specify who pays shipping.
 
Reply to mrgnstrn@nexus.yorku.ca.
 
Thanks.
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 19:24:36 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!samsung!olivea!isc-br!michaela@ari
 zona.edu (Michael Albo)
Subject: Atari Computer System For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Atari ST computer system FOR SALE
 
 
 
Atari 520ST,
         Upgraded to 4 Megabytes of Memory using
         a JRI SIMM board. (This also allows STe
         compatiblity for 4096 colors with the
         addition of another video shifter IC.)
         TOS 1.4 installed and battery backed up
         Real Time Clock. (Original TOS 1.0 also
         available.
         2 Floppy Drives -  1 DSDD, 1 SSDD             $250 w/ 2.5 Meg
                                                    or $300 w/ 4 Meg
 
 
Atari ST Monochrome Monitor                            $70
 
 
Supra 30 Meg Hard Drive
         This has a 3.5" SCSI drive in it.             $350
 
Atari SLM804 Laser Printer
         This only has about 2100 pages printed
         on it and has just had a new cartridge
         put in it.                                    $650
 
Spectre GCR (MAC Cartridge)                            $150
 
 
Software:
          1st Word Plus 3.14
          Easy Draw
          Dac Easy Accounting
          Printmaster
          2 Printmaster Libraries
          Degas
          Regent Spell
          Mark Williams 'C' Complier V3.06
          Mark Williams 'C' source debugger
          ST Copy
          a few games
          a "ton" of shareware                         $80 (only with
                                                            system)
                                                     -----------
                                                       $1600
 
 
Will sell entire system for $1500
I will take offers on the individual pieces but I must sell the
Laser printer before I will consider the other pieces and I am reluctant
to sell the computer without the monitor. If I piece this system out I will
sell the software to whomever I sell the computer to.
 
This system works well and is excellent condition.
 
Terms are C.O.D. and the buyer must pay shipping.
 
send email or contact me directly.
 
My email address is:
 michaela@isc-br.isc-br.com
 
My home phone is
     (509) 928-8009
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 23:35:45 GMT
From: news.mentorg.com!mntgfx!dcooley@uunet.uu.net (Doug Cooley)
Subject: Atari ST Games 4 Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Once again, I need to purge my Atari ST game collection.  All
prices are firm, unless you have a documented source that is
cheaper; I think these prices are low enough as it is.  If you
have questions on a game, give me a call.
 
All games require, as far as I know, a color monitor.  Some are
installable to hard disk, and some may require a joystick (I
recommend the Epyx joystick for the Amiga - very responsive).
 
I will try to take the first response on all of these, whether
it is phone or e-mail.  I have not had bad experiences with
personal checks, so those are fine, but please don't be the
first to make me mad.
 
Prices are based partly on entertainment value, partly on
original price.
 
All games are originals, and include complete documentation.
Some with boxes, no warranty cards.  As always, games are
first come, first serve.  Unless noted, all games require a
color monitor.  All prices include shipping (which I find to
run about $1.50 + $.25/game).
 
I don't read this newsgroup, so please, no posts to comp.sys.
atari.st for me.  If you must get ahold of me, call me in
the evening at home and leave a message.
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
Breach 2 - Wargame with some role-playing aspects.  Very colorful,
        build-your-own scenario builder, a classic in my mind.
        Can install to HD.
        $16
Empire - Classic wargame, play against the computer or against
        someone else.  Units include ships, air, tanks, infantry.
        Has a "build-your-own world" editor.  HD installable.
        $16
Wargame Construction Set - Didn't get to play with this much, but
        it looks interesting.  Can create a wide variety of
        situations, with air units, different ground units.
        Very colorful.  Installable to HD.
        $8
StarFleet I - The old Star Trek game revamped for a graphic
        interface.  Suprisingly fun for an old game.  There are
        some new twists, and the mouse interface is good.  HD.
        $12
Paladin - Medival version of Breach 2, earlier generation of the
        same system.  While not as slick, it is still a lot of
        fun.  HD installable, and has a build your own editor.
        $12
Midwinter - You are one of 31 people on an ice-bound island
        which has erupted into war.  Control hang-gliders,
        various snowcats, or ski your way over the landscape.
        A seriously good way to eat up your time.  Boxed.
        $16
Sim City - Another classic.  You are a city planner, and need to
        spend your money wisely.  Zone areas, build mass transit
        and roads, deal with prehistoric creatures trashing your
        city.  Lots 'o' fun.  HD installable, includes extra cities
        disk.  Boxed.
        $16
Risk - The classic board game, licensed by Parker Bros.  All sorts
       of options, can play with up to six computer/human players.
       My 18 year old nephew played this constantly when he stayed
       with us last summer.
       $12
Hardball -
Mean 18 -
Test Drive - These were all part of a single package, and so share
        a single rulebook.  Test Drive has a bad startup disk, so
        I'm not selling it.  I will throw it in with the other two,
        and Accolade will replace it for you (I don't want to spend
        the time).  Hardball is baseball, Mean 18 is golf.  OK games,
        a little dated.  $8 if you want one, the pair for $16 and
        you get Test Drive too.
        $8/$16
Shark Attack - Gregg Norman's golf simulator.  There's a lot to
        this, much more indepth than Mean 18, and better graphics.
        Boxed.
        $12
RoadWars - Arcade game.  *Not* a Car Wars clone!  Drive along and
        blow stuff up.  Boxed
        $8
Knight Orc - Text adventure.  Boxed.
        $8
Zak McKraken - Lucasfilms Cinemaware.  Kind of a text adventure,
        but not really.  Pretty funny in places.  HD install,
        lots of entertaining extra stuff.
        $8
Dr. T's MT-32 editor/lib - Professional quality editor librarian,
        I don't have an MT-32 anymore, so out it goes.  Has a
        backup disk.  This was originally more than $100 retail.
        $16
 
I am available at work from 8AM to 5PM PST.  E-mail sometimes
makes it to my site, sometimes not.
 
    Doug Cooley
    Work #:  (503)685-7759
    Home #:  (503)692-0680
    e-mail:  dcooley@mentorg.com
 
 
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Doug Cooley                | My company doesn't hold me responsible for
Mentor Graphics Corp.      | their opinions, and I don't hold them
dcooley@apd.mentorg.com    | responsible for mine.  So there.
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 23:35:42 GMT
From: boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@uunet.uu.net (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ATARI 520 STfm with 1 Meg RAM, DS/DD drive, Battery backed clock,
        external mount cooling fan.  Excellent condition.
        Comes with 400 DD disks with at least $500.00 software
        invested.  Let say $.40 a disk.  Also a 2400 Baud Avatex
        modem.  With BEST mouse and pad, RF, also includes
        one extra spare internal drive.  Includes BOOKS, mags,
        manuals, original boxes.
        ALL for $425.00.   (originally paid: too much!)
 
ICD FAST with Adaptec 4070A and a NEC 68 Meg HD incase in a
        Digital 40 Watt P/S, two cables to hook to ST or STE etc...
        ICD host manuals and all, Seats perfect under the monitors.
        Need $400.00.
 
I am willing to sell both for $725.00
Or I am willing to sell the HD in parts as long as everything goes,
Example the HD kit (everything except the 68 Meg HD)...$160.00.
 
All Hardware are in excellent condition, only the 520 is older than
a year old, everything else is about 7 months old.
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Email me: chuj@horton.colorado.edu
          chuj@spot.colorado.edu
 
                                                Thanks,
                                                Jeff
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Date: 23 Sep 91 19:36:34 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.
 ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.
 Edu!al885@arizona.edu (Gerard Pinzone)
Subject: Lost Boys Final Mega-Demo: Ohh Crickey, wot a Scorcher
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Has anyone figured out how to get to the "Hidden screen" in the Lost Boys
finale?
 
I think it has something to do with knowing the name of
the university that Mankin goes to.
 
BTW, the demo is on atari.archive.umich.edu
--
Just on the border of your waking mind, there lies another time, where darkness
and light are one. And as you tread the halls of sanity, you feel so glad to be
unable to go beyond. I have a message from another time.....   - ELO: "Prologue
from the "Time" album -- Daicon IV Opening Animation    gpinzone@george.poly.ed
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 20:51:11 GMT
From: bu.edu!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!douglas@uunet.uu.net (Douglas C White)
Subject: MASTER TRACKS PRO FOR SALE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Greetings World..
 
        I would like to sell the latest version of
Passport Designs Master Tracks Pro Software V-3.6.
Included is a documents and original packaging.  I'm
the original registered owner..
                Asking Price:   $175.00
        Thanks,
                Doug White
--
Douglas White                         douglas@wpi.wpi.edu
Dept. of Chem. Eng.
WPI
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 16:33:45 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.co
 lumbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informat
 ik.uni-erlangen.de!lsmichae@ (Lars Michael)
Subject: MEGA STE ROMs on MEGA ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi folks,
 
I've seen a couple of questions about fitting Mega STE ROMs into a Mega ST.
Here's a description how to add extra ROM space to a Mega, at the same adress
where it's in the STE. It can be used for ROM-Disks or even be booted from.
The TOS2.05 will NOT run with this little hack, because the Mega doesn't have
the STE's hardware. Maybe somebody can patch the 2.05, then I don't see why
it couldn't run on Megas with this hack.
 
Although Mega and Mega STE have 256K ROM space, the Mega uses only the first
 192K,
leaving 64K unused. That's because the top 64K are used for all the I/O
chips. So the OS-ROM was moved from $FC0000 to $E00000 leaving enough
space for expansion. To fit a 256K ROM into a Mega, adress lines A20-A23
must be decoded to generate a chip-select. To make the CPU recognize the
new ROM, a DTACK signal has to be generated, too. The diode (1N4148)
makes the DTACK open collector. The /CS signal goes to the ROM /CS input,
if you use an EPROM, tie /OE and /CS together. On Reset, the Mega will still
boot from the old TOS, however. If it is to boot from the new ROMs at adress
$E00000, remove the old OS-ROMs, and connect their /CS signal (or use GLUE's
select for the lowest ROM) to the boot input, otherwise tie that input high.
 
The chips are a 74LS00 and 74LS30. They fit on a small circuit board,
and you can get the supply voltage from any TTL chip in the Mega.
All lines (except VCC , /CS and "boot_input") can be soldered to the CPU
directly, or via the connector.
 
If EPROMS are used instead of the OS-ROM, they don`t fit into the 28 pin
sockets. The pinout is slightly different, too. You might want to use a
32 pin socket (for the EPROM) and plug it into a 28 pin socket and cut the
appropriate pins on the top socket instead of the EPROM (makes programming them
a hassle ;-) then do the rewiring (ROM has an address line on the pin where the
EPROM has a select line). If anyone is interested in this, I can post how
to do this.
 
                   -----    "boot input"
 VCC --------------|    \   connect to VCC (no boot)
 VCC --------------|     |  /CS from old ROMs (boot, remove old ROMs!)
        ---        |     |   |
 VCC ---|  \       |     |   v
        |   O------|     |   |
 /AS ---|  /       |     |   |   ---         ---
        ---        |     |   +---|  \    +---|  \
        ---        |     |       |   O---*   |   O--- /CS (new)
 VCC ---|  \       |     O---*---|  /    +---|  /
        |   O------|     |   |   ---         ---
 A20 ---|  /       |     |   |
        ---        |     |   |   | /|
 A21 --------------|     |   +---|< |--- /DTACK to CPU
 A22 --------------|     |       | \|
 A23 --------------|     |
                   |     |
 R/W --------------|    /
                   -----
 
---
 
                                                                Larry
 
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
|     lsmichae@faui43.uni-erlangen.de    |    | | |                         |
|         Lars "Mr. GIF" Michael         |    | | |   "Down with ATARI,     |
|  Graduate Student of Computer Science  |   /  |  \  Long live the ST !"   |
|    at University of Erlangen/Germany   |  /   |   \                       |
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------|
|  Bones: "Damn it, Kirk, I'm a doctor, not a very good actor."             |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 17:48:59 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!m.c
 s.uiuc.edu!vela!wsu-cs!jake!pbh@arizona.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Midi music learning system by Andrew Gordon
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This week's Znet mentioned that a developer named Andrew Gordon has
a midi music teaching system  (books, software and tapes) for the ST.
The article neglected to mention how to get in touch with him.  Does
anyone know the address, phone number, Genie or Internet address of this
fellow?  I'm really interested in his product.
 
 
--
Genie    - P.HAGGOOD2                      Internet -pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu
PRODIGY  - Not anymore, Jackson.           Bitnet   - phaggoo@waynest1
Phone    - (313) 577-0669
Voice    - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!"
 
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Date: 24 Sep 91 00:08:09 GMT
From: ads.com!pdel@decwrl.dec.com (Peter Delevoryas)
Subject: Neodesk background help
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm having a problem displaying background pics of Degas Elite
files  in Neodesk.
As an example, I put one of the pics on atari.archive of the atari
computers in the root directory. Neodesk loaded the pic, but instead
of the color mapping it should have had, I got a kind of psychedelic
color rendition of the thing, like when you try to view a pic that
uses 16 colors and you try to display it with 4.
 
I tried changing the color settings in the control panel to the ones
that the pic had, but that didn't work.
 
Is this because you have a larger palette in Degas than you have in the
control panel?
 
Peter D.
 
 
 
--
 
 login name:   L1-A
 In real life: Peter Delevoryas
 In any other life: a cheap imitation
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 19:24:06 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas Darling)
Subject: People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
 
> I've been seeing several posts like this each day for people selling
> their STs.  I would be curious to know if the majority of these people
> are upgrading or jumping ship altogether.
 
I sold mine and bought a TT.  No regrets.
 
 
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 15:52:58 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!jenkinsj%apple.com@arizona.edu (John
 H. Jenkins)
Subject: Printing with Spectre GCR
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have an ST with Spectre GCR hooked up to a Panasonic 1091 printer.  What
is the best and/or cheapest way to get the Spectre to print?
 
Standard apologies for asking a possible frequently-asked-question.
 
John H. Jenkins
jenkinsj@apple.com
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 16:14:18 GMT
From: healy@cod.nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Problems upgrading to 4M (was Re: SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have an old 1040STf (1986) that I upgraded to 4 megs using the
JRI SIMM board.  The only "problem" I had is that you have to remove
the top of the video shifter can and now you can see some noise on
the monitor when the data bus is chugging.  When I get motivated to
open it up again (or is that if?) I'm going to put some shielding
over the top of the video shifter can to fix this,  but it's not
enough of a problem to motivate me.
 
Of course,  this was done by putting the SIMMS on a separate board.
 
Mike Healy
 
healy@cod.nosc.mil
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 18:41:52 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: program compatability w/STe's
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Most of my PD-program works on my MEGA STE
Even Cubase (MIDI-program) works (but you must be in 8 MHz no cache at start
 due to the key in the cartridge port).   If you patch out the code that
checks the key (I've tried this too) it works in 16 MHz with cache (if only
Steinberg could fix the code so the key worked on 16 MHz cards too or find
another copy-protection...)
 
 Lars-Erik  /  Registered Developer  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /  ____ ______
  0sterud  /  w/ Atari Scandinavia  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /  /___    /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/  ____/   /
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 13:20:53 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!root44!praxis!praxis!mikec@uunet.uu.net (Michael Chace)
Subject: SMALL Editor ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi Folks,
 
Does anyone know of a reasonably small editor ? Perhaps something
coded in assembler and not more than 20k in size. I'm not too fussed
about features just as long as it is small!
 
Thanks,
 
Mike
****
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 19:15:44 GMT
From: cme!lurch.cme.nist.gov@uunet.uu.net (Forrest Chang)
Subject: Using gcc/g++ to cross compile for the ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        Am I write in assuming that if I get the source of the gnu-ST
(sounds kinda nifty, I wonder if RMS would go for it) compilers, build
them on my sparc, that I can cross compile code for the ST by
specifying "-target ST" or whatever target it would be.
 
        Has anyone else done this?  Can I patch our existing compiler,
or do I have to rebuild the whole compiler (I haven't really looked
that deep into it yet).
 
        Also, where can I find unix sources for zoo, or does gnu-ST
exist in tar format somewhere
 
        Thanx
 
        Fo
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 18:46:31 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!udel!darw
 in.sura.net!europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sigma!boyd@arizona.e
 du (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep23.054704.18494@colorado.edu>, chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU
 JEFFREY) writes:
>In article <gcrKRJy00VI=ADJlVK@andrew.cmu.edu> mg20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael
 Paul Greelish) writes:
>>80386 IBM clone w. SVGA & hard drive
>>Pro: Popular. Tons of software. Reasonably priced. Easily expanded.
>>Con: Windows sucks. MS-DOS is from hell. Compatibility problems with all
>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Agreed, but on fast machines and with a great SVGA card it becomes much better,
>Windows 3.1 is rumored 32BIT only.
>
 
IMHO Windows could run in NEGATIVE time and still suck.  About 90% of my
gripes with this system have nothing to do with performance.  I guess we
have Apple to thank for this, since Microsoft was surely FORCED to use some
of the more lame-brained design concepts in the package (to make it "lawsuit
proof").
 
--
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
             Mickey R. Boyd          |  "Kirk to Enterprise.  All clear
          FSU Computer Science       |      down here.  Beam down
        Technical Support Group      |      yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ."
       email:  boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu    |
    ---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 17:58:07 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cunix
 f.cc.columbia.edu!cunixb.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu (Christopher M
 Mauritz)
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <JDDq94w164w@cellar.UUCP> darling@cellar.UUCP (Thomas Darling)
 writes:
>mg20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Paul Greelish) writes:
>
>> Anyway, I won't bore you with details, but let me say that I am
>> currently fed up with the state of the Atari market. IMHO. for anything
>> except hard-core hackers and die-hard loyalists, the ST market has
>> become untenable. Atari simply isn't a player in the big leagues anymore.
>
>Sigh.  Ever heard of MIDI, Mike?
 
2 or 3 years ago (Hell, maybe even one!), I would have agreed with this.
Atari was (and is to a lesser extent now) THE machine to own for MIDI
use.  The built in ports (but not MIDI thru) and a wealth of relatively
inexpensive software made it very attractive for this and many professionals
use Ataris exclusively.
 
Well, that has changed.  There are now many more MIDI adaptors and a lot
of software available for the Mac and PC clones.  Recently, I had the chance
to talk to the local MIDI guru at Mannys in Manhattan (buying new guitar)
and he told me that while he still sells an occasional ST for MIDI most people
are buying Macs now.  This is coming from one of the biggest music stores
in Manhattan and they USED TO sell lots of STs.  If Atari is starting to
bog down in that market too, then what else is there?
 
Regards,
 
Chris
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Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing:  The only hobby perfectly tailored for
              |              anal retentive alcoholics.  :-)
--------------|              (ripped off from someone on the net...)
 
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Date: 23 Sep 91 17:07:15 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!spool.mu.ed
 u!cs.umn.edu!simvax.labmed.umn.edu!davidli@arizona.edu
Subject: What to buy next...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <9479@cactus.org>, covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes:
 
> So, for me ther Mac is the way to go.
 
Great to hear it Richard!  Thank God, you're finally moving away from the Atari
ST platform.  Perhaps that means that we won't have to read any more of your
manic/depressive editorials in ST Report?
 
You DO intend to quit publishing the damn thing, don't you?
 
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David Paschall-Zimbel           davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
 
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