
Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 10 Apr 91       Volume 91 : Issue 202
 
Today's Topics:
                               2 things
                   A dream come true (Well ALMOST!)
                            Aladin search
                               Alladian
                      APPLE Imagewriter on ST??
                        Atari 1040ST For Sale
                      Atari for Auction: Update
                digicomposer uploaded to atari.archive
                        Double Click's contest
                         Ghostscript ported?
              HacMan II v1.15 available at atari.archive
                                 lynx
                   MultiGEM (was Re: TT questions)
       Question about the game IMMORTAL (Spolier about level 2)
                         Re: GEM source code
                                rufus
                             STE Products
                                sundog
                        TT questions (2 msgs)
                        Unsubscription request
                Wanted:  Phone # for MWC Support line
                            X Y Z   3 . 3
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 06:55:13 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqc
 spe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: 2 things
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
koagouro@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Konstantinos Agouros) writes:
 
>Could somebody please tell me the ip# of atari.archive cause I can't get
>through by the name.
 
        it is:  141.211.164.8
 
>I read once that there should be such thing like a csh for the ST. Could
>anybody tell me, if that is true and if where to get it?
 
        I haven't looked at Okami shell yet, but Gulam is a lot likt csh.
        (no job control though :-)
 
Warwick
--
  _--_|\        warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /      *  <--  Computer Science Department,
 \_.--._/       University of Queensland,
       v        AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 01:46:50 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!mahendo!wlbr!lonex.radc.af.mil!longj@arizona.edu
 (Jeffrey K. Long)
Subject: A dream come true (Well ALMOST!)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have been LaTeX'ing on my ST for about 3 years now, and have always
dreamed of an ST program similar to Fig for Suns!  But such a beast I have
never seen, up till now!
 
I just downloaded from forwiss.uni-passau.de in the /pub/atari/tex directory
a great looking file called texdraw.lzh.  I unlharced it, and found that
the majority of the document and program is in German.
 
BUT DOES THIS PROGRAM LOOK GREAT!!  Do any of our bi-lingual net readers
know if there are any plans for an English version of this program??
I only know that if such a beast exists, or is in the planning stage, many
of us ST/LaTeX freaks would love it!!    Anyone willing to check on this??
How about just an english version of the .rsc file??
 
Heck, this thing is so impressive, I may learn to read German just to use
it!  I'm talking one very slickly done piece of graphics/TeX tool here!
 
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Capt Jeff Long                         Rome Air Development Center
longj@lonex.radc.af.mil                Network Design Laboratory
jlong@cassiopeia.radc.af.mil           (315)330-7751 or (DSN)587-7751
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 03:46:27 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.c
 c.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Aladin search
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[I'm posting this for someone without access to news.  Please reply to
him, not to me. Thanks!]
 
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Date:
From: DEDICATED-PRELOAD <CRSDCO@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Subject: Alladian
Would anyone know where I could
get a copy of the actual Alladain mac emulator program. Please post it at the
terminator atari archives. I am in desperate need for it to complete a
microtechniques project using hypercard.
--
Jeff Weiner     weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu       Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu
    Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like a White Castle
Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?"
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 18:06:29 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!kuhub.cc.u
 kans.edu!shawl@arizona.edu
Subject: APPLE Imagewriter on ST??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Has anyone ever tried to hook an Apple Imagewriter up to an ST?
Any thoughts on doing it would be appreciated.
 
(Why do it?  I am being given a MAC and the printer, and would like
to try to use it with my ST too.  It is much better than my old,
expensive NEC 8023.)
 
Thanks.
 
Steve Shawl
Shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 18:42:23 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!hsdndev!dartvax!eleazar.dartm
 outh.edu!lattanzi@arizona.edu (Stephen C. Lattanzi)
Subject: Atari 1040ST For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ATARI 1040ST For Sale
---------------------
1 MB RAM          720K Drive            Color Monitor
Software including:  Modula II compiler, Flight Simulator,
                     EZ Score II (music score-writing program
                                  using MIDI interface),
                     UniTerm (public domain terminal emulator),
                     and the software that comes with the machine
                     (1st Word, BASIC, Logo, NEOChrome)
---------------------
In excellent condition.  $300.
Send inquiries to:  Steve Lattanzi (lattanzi@eleazar.dartmouth.edu)
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 11:48:55 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.
 pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!platypus!jaguar.ucs.uofs.edu@arizona.edu
 (OGRINZ MICHAEL E)
Subject: Atari for Auction: Update
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Ok, here's the first update on the auction. I wasnt going to enter this
so soon, but maybe it'll stop the flood of $5 bids to my account :)
 
Our highest bid after 1 day: $200 for the complete system.
 
Other offers worth mentioning: $75 for the color digitizer.
 
Now, for those of you who missed out, now's your chance to send me a bid
on the following system. The highest bid as of April 22 takes the lot.
To recap, the package is:
 
Atari 520St w/1Meg & Mouse
Color Monitor
Mono Monitor
Indus DS/DD drive
5 1/4" 360K/720K drive
Color Digitizer (ComputerEyes)
SCSI controller card w/ cable & software
Lots of software (mostly games)
------------------------------------------
 
 
Mike
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 18:44:02 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!ugle.unit.no!sigyn.idt.unit.no!
 erlingh@arizona.edu (Erling Henanger)
Subject: digicomposer uploaded to atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've just uploaded digicomposer to atari.archive.
It was sent to me from daniel@hexagon.se, and since he
doesn't have ftp access I uploaded it.
This is a PD-tracker that should also work on the TT.
Enjoy.
 
--
       _______    _____          o           ____       Erling Henanger
      /___       /____/ /       /   /|  /   /           Norwegian Institute
     /          /\     /       /   / | /   |   ___      of Technology. (NTH)
    ------     /  \   /____   /   /  |/     \____| o    Atari Lives !
 
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 00:08 EST
From: <JCONTOMP%TUFTS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: Double Click's contest
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 Did anyone hear the results of Double Click's "name the program" contest.
If so, who won?
 
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1991 08:26:43 +0000
From: Dr Ivan D Reid <ivan@cvax.psi.ch>
Subject: Ghostscript ported?
To: Info-Atari16 <Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
        Could Hauke Hess please contact me directly about Ghostscript on the
ST?  I can't construct a meaningful address from his message header...
 
==================
 
        ivan@cvax.psi.ch                ivan@cageir5a.bitnet
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 20:39:12 GMT
From: haven!wam.umd.edu!dmb@purdue.edu (David M. Baggett)
Subject: HacMan II v1.15 available at atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Several people have been had trouble installing HacMan II of late.  I
believe all these problems are related to lack of sufficient disk space
when extracting the archives.  If anyone's been unable to get it working,
please let me know.  (If you've got 0-byte files, that's a sign that
you need a bigger RAMdisk or HD directory when extracting...)
 
For those of you with single-sided floppy systems, version 1.14 had a file
misnamed, thereby causing the game to abort instead of prompting for
disk 2.  That's been fixed in version 1.15, which can be FTPed from
atari.archive.umich.edu:atari/newitems/hacmn215.arc.
 
Since this is a particularly annoying problem for SS floppy users, I would
(once again) greatly appreciate it if people with access to GEnie,
Compuserve, etc., could update the copies posted on those on-line
services.
 
Sorry for any headaches the "bug" may have caused.
 
Thanks all,
 
Dave Baggett
dmb%wam.umd.edu@uunet.uu.net
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 20:03:47 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!me
 nudo.uh.edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: lynx
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@f744.n250.z1.FidoNet.Org (Shervin Shahrebani Of
 250/744) boldy writes in article <671019520.0@egsgate.FidoNet.Org>
>You are wrong.  Atari has been continuously advertising the LYNX.  They have
 about 18 games now with 16 more to come by summer and another batch by the end
 of the year.  I think that Atari will do really well with its LYNX.  Also, the
 Portfolio is selling really well, and now that it sells for $299 U.S. instead
 of $399...
>
>S.S.
 
This is very true.  There is a full page ad in this month's Rolling
Stone for the Lynx.  I am actually impressed by this!
 
 
--
Paul Sears      The Univ. of Houston |"The greater an individual's power
Student of the College of Technology | over others, the greater the evil that
RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu      ***        | might possibly originate with him."
RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu     * * *       | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD)
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 18:08:54 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.edu
 (Ed Krimen)
Subject: MultiGEM (was Re: TT questions)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Apr9.135117.24365@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
 csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes:
>>6. I spoke with the developer of Revolver and there is no plan for an
>>   upgrade to the TT (ST versions did not sell very well). Pity,
>>   the ST/TT without Revolver is a drag. Anyone else working on a TT
>>   task switcher (I could retire before UNIX is ready).
>
>Try MultiGEM from Maxon in Germany. It's a MultiFinder-clone for the
>ST which will soon be released for the TT, too.
 
What else can you tell us about MultiGEM?  Price?  Is it compatible with
TOS 1.4 and STe?  Any plans for a North American distribution?  Please
provide us with Maxon's address.
 
 
 
--
         Ed Krimen  ...............................................
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
   |||   INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu  FREENET: al661
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261        FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 00:52:15 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!ogicse!unicorn!n8742883@ar
 izona.edu (Perry Pederson)
Subject: Question about the game IMMORTAL (Spolier about level 2)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've been playing the IMMORTAL on level 2, and have been stuck there
for some time.  I've got everything from the level-- killed the orc
king and he told me his message.  He is specific about "... three
jewels ..." but I have only two and the stone.  I would assume that
there is some way to turn the stone into a gem to get to the next
level, but I haven't been able to find out how to do it.  He did say
"... rock become floor ...", which could be a reference to the stone,
but I dunno.  How does one obtain that last gem?  and BTW, has anyone
been able to get back up to the first level?  The instructions say
"... move up to it [ladder] and you'll automatically climb ..." but I
haven't been able to do it.  (I wanted to do so to use the light &
amulet on the stone to see if it would turn into the last gem).  Also,
has anyone been able to escape out of a pit trap by "gently rocking
the joystick back and forth at an even pace?"  Those traps always get me!
 
        Thanx in advance,
 
Perry Pederson
n8742883@unicorn.wwu.edu
n8742883@henson.wwu.edu
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 21:58:06 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@a
 rizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Re: GEM source code
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <1991Apr9.123634.12778@cbnewse.att.com>,
     hofmann@cbnewse.att.com (james.r.hofmann) writes ... ]
 
> Awhile back a request was made for people on the net to release
> examples of working GEM code for use as a tutorial to those trying
> to learn how such code works. A good idea, but I have one question.
> Aren't the include files that come with a compiler proprietary?
> That being so, I can post the source (set to compile with Prospero C)
> but not the include files. That would not be all that helpful.
 
Unless the Prospero people have lost their good sense, their
h files should be interchangable with anybody else's .h files.
I haven't used Prospero, but I have looked at the manual, and
their GEM libraries seemed conventional.
 
Of course, you should post any .H files written for the application,
including .H files generated by a resource editor.
 
GEMFAST (for Sozobon, Alcyon and assembler) uses a single GEMFAST.H
file in lieu of the standard obdefs.h and gemdefs.h files. The
portable solution (on a system using GEMFAST) is to install
files bearing the standard names but consisting of the following
lines:
 
#ifndef GEMFAST_H
#include <GEMFAST.H>
#endif
 
If a lot of GEMFAST-dependent code starts showing up, it may be
worthwhile to write a GEMFAST.H file that #includes the standard
files and #defines fsel_exinput if your compiler lacks that
binding.
 
----
  Steve Yelvington / P. O. Box 38 / Marine on St. Croix, MN 55047 USA
  INTERNET: steve@thelake.mn.org    UUCP: plains!umn-cs!thelake!steve
  GEnie: S.YELVINGTO2               Delphi: YELVINGTON
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 03:11:14 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext!c
 huck@arizona.edu (charles bridgeland)
Subject: rufus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I ftp-ed rufes from atari.archive and downloaded it.  everything runs
nicely, no problems w/ GDOS.
        However I did notice that when I uploaded something with the
internal Xmodem or Ymodem, it does a disk access every kilobyte.
Needless to say, this is not good.  Is there a way around this, or are
you pretty much expected to use the external Zmodem that is provided?
This may be in the documentation, but I'm many years out of practice
with German.
 
 
(BTW, you can't see an entire 80X24 screen unless you change the font
that it comes up in to something smaller.  Then it all fits nicely.)
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
chuck bridgeland---anarchoRepublican
"one thing about a police state, you can always find the police" l. neil smith
chuck@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu     hire me so I can quit this pit.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 03:12:50 GMT
From: tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (jeffery d
 thompson)
Subject: STE Products
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello everyone. I was just wondering if someone in net land could send me
a list of any commercial products that use the STE's enhanced features,
other than Space Ace and Dragon's Lair 2. I am particularly interested in
digitizers and a game from England that uses all of the STE's features(it
had something to do with a dragon?). Anything else would be appreciated
as well. Thanks.
                                                Jeff
                                        thompson@cis.ohio-state.edu
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 05:02:26 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!porta
 l!cup.portal.com!R_Tim_Coslet@arizona.edu
Subject: sundog
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In Article: <7543@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM>
        boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM (Robert Luneski) writes...
>In article <4450001@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM> jg@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM (Joe Gilray) writes:
>>
>>What are the system requirements for Sundog?  RAM?  color?  Etc.
>>
>
>Sundog runs on any color ST.  It is one of the true lost classics.
>A really great game!
>
An interesting bit of trivia on Sundog is that it was originally written
for the Apple ][ (I saw it many years ago at the West Coast Computer Faire
in San Fran.). Sundog was written in UCSD Pascal.
 
I thought it was a fantastic game on the Apple ][... grabbed it instantly
when I found that there was an ST version. Don't think I'll ever FINISH it
though, but its interesting to explore all those worlds!
 
                                        R. Tim Coslet
 
Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com             BIX:    r.tim_coslet
California could REALLY use 40 days and 40 nights of rain right now!
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 18:00:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.edu
 (Ed Krimen)
Subject: TT questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <23274@know.pws.bull.com> CSULLOGG@CRL.AECL.CA writes:
>As a TT user, life is pretty lonely right now. I keep posting questions
>on the net about TT compatible software but I do not get any responses.
>
>If anyone has an answer to any of the following, please post a reply:
>
>1. Is there a terminal emulation package (VT100/240,etc) that works on
>   the TT in TT screen modes (Flash and Uniterm have to be in ST
>   screen mode).
>
 
Atari's TT030 brochure has a desktop screen shot with a multicolored STeno
 window opened.  I wouldn't be surprised if STalker, which has VT100, works on
 the TT.Eric Rosenquist, would you like to comment if it works on the TT in TT
 screen
modes?
 
>2. Do any of the PC emulators work on the TT (ATOnce, ATSpeed, Delta-
>   Modul, SuperCharger). I want minimum AT emulation but would prefer
>   386 performance.
>
 
I heard Atari is writing their own MS-DOS emulator for the TT, although
they probably won't admit to it.  Other than that, I don't know if the others
work.
 
>3. When will Pagestream be fixed to work on a TT (Calamus works in
>   ST screen modes and sort of works in TT screen mode).
>
 
Pagestream 2.0 supposedly works on the TT in TT screen modes.  It will be out
in a few weeks.
 
>4. Has Signum been updated for the TT? (Tex works well but I hate
>   the command interface).
>
 
Dunno 'bout that one.
 
>5. NeoDesk 3 requires a warm reboot to change rez on the TT, thus
>   making it unusable because I have to change rez often. Will this
>   be worked around in the future.
>
 
I'm kinda not surprised about this.  To change from mono to color on the ST,
the ST *usually* requires a warm boot.
 
However, I was playing with EMULA, which is a pretty good monochrome emulator,
and when I changed from color (running EMULA) to mono, the computer didn't
reboot!!!  I was really surprised, and pleased.  Now, if there's a program
out there that does this for color mode, without EMULA, I'd really like to
hear about it!  Anyone know of one?!
 
>6. I spoke with the developer of Revolver and there is no plan for an
>   upgrade to the TT (ST versions did not sell very well). Pity,
>   the ST/TT without Revolver is a drag. Anyone else working on a TT
>   task switcher (I could retire before UNIX is ready).
>
 
Many people thought that Intersect was out of business and not coming back.
Apparently, Revolver doesn't work with TOS 1.4 and up.  Just curious, how did
you get a hold of them?
 
 
 
--
         Ed Krimen  ...............................................
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
   |||   INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu  FREENET: al661
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261        FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 20:56:03 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rod
 an.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@arizona.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: TT questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Apr9.135117.24365@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
 csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes:
>
>Try MultiGEM from Maxon in Germany. It's a MultiFinder-clone for the
>ST which will soon be released for the TT, too.
 
 Does anybody know where to get this in the US?
 -Gerry
 ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
 
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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 17:38 CDT
From: "Dave Diehl, Adjunct Systems/Network Guru" <RADAGAST@carleton.edu>
Subject: Unsubscription request
To: info-atari16%naucse.cse.nau.edu@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
 
Could you please remove the alias info-atari16-readers@carleton.edu
from the info-atari16 mailing list?  Thank.
 
                                -Dave Diehl
                                 Postmaster
                                 Carleton College
 
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Date: 9 Apr 91 23:55:39 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas
 .edu@arizona.edu (Sean Sterling Foiles)
Subject: Wanted:  Phone # for MWC Support line
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Does anyone know the customer support line for Mark William's C?
 
Thanks,
 
 sean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu.UUCP (Sean Sterling Foiles)
 
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Date: 10 Apr 91 04:36:36 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-w
 inken!aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu (Michel Forget)
Subject: X Y Z   3 . 3
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
While reading the FoReM Network (Programming Crossnet), I noticed a
message from a user that dealt with the release of XYZ 3.3.  The user did
not say where the program could be found, so I decided to ask for it
here.  I would appreciate it if anyone who has this program could mail it
to me, or give me information about this release of the program.  At t
time, it is not even clear if XYZ 3.3 is an official release.  I hope it
is, as this is a wonderful Zmodem/Ymodem Batch transfer utility.  Thank
you (I hope).
 
 
Michel Forget             ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Serving Northern Alberta since 1982
 
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