Info-Atari16 Digest         Thu, 13 Jun 91       Volume 91 : Issue 332
 
Today's Topics:
                          .gl viewer for ST
                          24bit -> spectrum
                   arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question
                        Atari shops in Europe
                            CD-ROM players
                         Emacs, where to get?
                             GhostScript
                How many MBytes would _you_ recommend?
                       IBM 3270 Term Emulator?
                             Man w/ pipe
                         Mega Mega? (2 msgs)
                   MIDI Input to MIDI Standard File
                             ML on Atari
                          More than 4 Meg ??
                              Neo Desk 3
                New upload to terminator - PLOT v1.50
                             NORAOCH.PRG
                               Notebook
                                 NVDI
                     Source for BASH 1.05 (MiNT)
                   The Mother of All Computer Sales
                            X for the ST?
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 23:00:45 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!ubvmsd.cc.buf
 falo.edu!v115lue3@arizona.edu (Philip M Smolin)
Subject: .gl viewer for ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This is a self-explanatory message.  Does anyone know of a .gl viewer for the
ST?  I took a look through atari.archive but did not see anything with a
gl acronym.  As always...any help is greatly appreciated.
 
Philip
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 19:42:30 GMT
From: dkoski@arizona.edu (David A. Koski)
Subject: 24bit -> spectrum
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Does anyone know where I could get source code for somthing
that will convert a 24 bit (or 8 bit, or even 9 bit) image
to spectrum format?
 
Thanks,
David Koski
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 13:12:06 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!estevax!reiner@uunet.uu.net (Reiner Plaum)
Subject: arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <727@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> ralph@prosun.first.gmd.de (Ralph Berg)
 writes:
>How can I tell arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp to store on
>extraction the files into another directory as where
>the archiver programms resides???
 
In order to extract into a particular directory you have to
specify that path as the argument to arc, and append the pattern
for the files to be extracted
e.g. : arc x any.arc c:\tmp\*.*
 
Don't no whether the same method works for unarc.
 
By the way, West Germany mentioned in your disclaimer does no longer exist.
 
Reiner.
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 11:27:31 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!uta!cshera@uunet.uu.net (Heikki Rasim{ki)
Subject: Atari shops in Europe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        Hello !
 
        I'm planning to do some Interrail in Europe this summer
        and I thought I could smugle something neat for my ST
        then I come back.
 
        Therefor I'm asking for addresses of Atari hardware-shops
        in Europe. Little info about what they sell would be nice, too.
        ( For example, there HD-diskette stations are available )
 
        Please e-mail, I will summarize results in newsgroups.
 
        Heikki Rasim{ki
        cshera@uta.fi
 
        P.S.
 
        (Thank you)s to all who answered my wonderings about atari graphics.
        Learned something again.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 04:11:06 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!g
 greenbe@arizona.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: CD-ROM players
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I know I asked this a while back.  I only got one response,
and I've misplaced it...so I thought I'd ask again, in a
slightly different way.
Is anybody using a CD-ROM player made for another computer,
e.g. Mac or msdos, on their ST via an emulator such as Spectre
or ATSpeed or Supercharger?  These players seem to be scsi
devices for the most part, so I was wondering if it would be
possible to hook one up via my scsi chain and run in via an
emulator?
Thanks very much for any responses along this line.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 14:19:30 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!rzsun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de!rospc1!hess@uunet.uu.net
 (Hauke Hess)
Subject: Emacs, where to get?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello,
 
as I`m preparing my ST to get full use of all the Gnu stuf (g++, gcc etc.)
I would like to use Emacs also (at least test it). So I looked through the
ftp sites and only found horrible archives of sizes at about 1,3MB. That`s
not fun, so my question: are there any other, complete Emacs archives (without
source of emacs), may be in germany or at least europe? Where?
 
Hauke Hess
 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 10:26:46 WET DST
From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" <csd015@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: GhostScript
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've heard that this Postscript interpreter is available for the ST, but
I can't find it - not even by using the archie mail server to search the
ftp sites for me. I come up -loads- of entries for it, but they're all
in Gnu directories, or the MS-DOS version.
 
So - the question is: does anyone have it for the ST? Or can I use the
Gnu version of I get all the gnu shell stuff? Which, by the way, I'm not
entirely keen on getting! I mean, if it comes down to it, I might just
get the MS-DOS version and emulate it through AT-Once, but I'd rather
have a native Atari version.
 
As an addition, I finish my exams pretty soon so I'll have some time. I
no-one knows about an ST version, I could always try and port it to the
ST (I notice one of the copies archie lists is in a sources directory).
However, that'll be tough for me as I'm certainly neither a Postscript,
Ghostscript, Gnu, Atari or even C programming guru! :-)  I'll have a go
though, as I can program in C, and I assume the source will be C.
 
 
Cheers,
        Ian
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 08:05:39 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!robin@uunet.uu.net (R C Smith)
Subject: How many MBytes would _you_ recommend?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jun11.190859.16688@uni-paderborn.de> marc@uni-paderborn.de (Marc
 Gumbold) writes:
>I don't have the money to replace my
>ST with a state-of-the-art ?86 AT with some Unix.
 
I wouldn't call ?86 state-of-the-art, its just very common but I admit
Unix would be nice..
 
On the subject of memory buy as much as you can afford
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 20:45:55 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: IBM 3270 Term Emulator?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello All,
 
I am looking for an IBM 3270 Emulator for my ST.  I'd like to connect to the
IBM 'frame here at Kodak.  If anybody has such a beast, please UUENCODE it
and mail to the address below.  I do not have access to any newsfeeds, so
please reply directly via E-mail.  (Also note that the mailer has stripped my
return address!  Manual addressing required... Sorry.)  Thanks in advance for
your help!
 
Jim Bernatowicz
 
--
       A problem to which there is no solution: nobody@Kodak.COM
 
          Please reply to:  BERNATOWICZ@vx6455.dnet.kodak.com
 
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Date: 10 Jun 91 01:48:31 GMT
From: rit!cci632!ritcsh!ultb!adw3345@cs.rochester.edu (A.D. Williams)
Subject: Man w/ pipe
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jun6.131017.12110@ira.uka.de> S_DINGLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S|
 Florian Dingler) writes:
>Hi folks!
>
>I wonder if anyone knows who the man smoking a pipe is. You know, the one you
>find in the ATARI-ST charset with the codes 28-31 or so. Is he just a little
>joke or a special person or what ?
>Please write followups, no mail.
 
 
 The character smoking a pipe is generally assumed to be Bob, holder of
Slack. Read alt.slack for further information.
 
                                                             Derrick
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 12:01:05 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de
 !fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod)
Subject: Mega Mega?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes:
 
>What with GNU Emacs, big RAMdisks, Scheme, Smalltalk, MultiGEM, etc. etc. it
>seems like a reasonable thing to want to expand a Mega beyond 4 MB.  Anyone
>done it?  Any possibility of a commercial expansion?
 
There is a commercial solution distributed by Richter Computer in
Germany. With their expansion cards, you can pump up memory volume to
12 MB.
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,                  Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany                 (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 13 Jun 91 13:38:28 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!maytag!watmath
 !mks.com!ant@arizona.edu (Anthony Howe)
Subject: Mega Mega?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Gadgets by Small has a 68030/8Mb expansion board which will combine your
on-board memory with the above to give a Mega 4 a whole 12Mb of RAM!!!!!
I saw Mr.Small at CeBIT this year and he showed me this marvelous expansion
board for Megas.  There are a lot more details about this board and I
recommend contacting him for more information.
 
--
ant@mks.com                                                   Anthony C Howe
Mortice Kern Systems Inc. 35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2J 6W9
"Fate favors fools, small children, and ships named Enterprise" - Riker
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 15:17:16 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!unido!estevax!reiner@uunet.uu.net (Reiner Plaum)
Subject: MIDI Input to MIDI Standard File
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I need a utility which read and buffers MIDI input and allows
saving in MIDI standard file format.
Does anyone know of such a program ?
Where can I get such a program ?
Or, if i have to write such a program by myself finally, where can
I find the MIDI standard file definition (book or mailserver).
 
Any help is appreciated,
Reiner.
 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 16:22:51 +0100
From: Stephen Kendrick <stephenk@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>
Subject: ML on Atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        Funny that this mail message should appear on the very day that I
successfully complete a port of this EXCELLENT language to Lattice C v5. It is
now working, but doesn't include the standard functions listed in the back of
Ake Wikstrom's book "Functional programming using Standard ML". I am working on
this, and will keep the group informed. I am unsure as to whether I am allowed
to distribute the program, as the source is the property of Edinburgh University
in the UK. I will ask them, and reply to anybody who mails me directly with the
answers I receive.
 
                                                                Steve.
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 13:32:45 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!rwthinf!messua!michaels@uunet.uu.net (Michael Schwingen)
Subject: More than 4 Meg ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
I don't know what the STE hardware is like, but it IS possible to connect more
than 4MB to an orinary ST. There is a company (I think 'Richter Daten-
technik' or something like that) somewhere in Germany/Switzerland (??) who
sells an expansion which can handle 12 or 14 MB - but it's quite expensive.
A friend of mine has just developed such a thing. It works fine at up to
14 MB - but it's only a prototype now. It is a bit more complicated then
connecting 1-4MB to the existing MMU - you have to build part of a new MMU
to handle the memory above 4MB and do some other nasty things in order to
get the video system use the additional memory - but it can be done.
  I think it should be possible on a STE, too.
 
Michael Schwingen, Germany
------- please keep email from outside germany SHORT ---------
email: michaels%cip-s01.informatik.rwth-aachen.de@unido.bitnet
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 06:58:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!mauxci!problem!intacc!zerobeat@arizona.e
 du (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Neo Desk 3
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <43160@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas
 Daugustine) writes:
>
>I just ordered Neo Desk 3 today (cant recall the publisher) and am
>just looking to see if anyone has any opinions on it. It looks pretty
>good in the ad (which is why I ordered it:-), but I was looking for
>someone who has used it, and has any general observations on it.
>
>Ill be running this on a 520ST, and two DS 3.5" floppys, and a colour
>monitor (no hard drive, or RAM expansion. _yet_)
 
I use NEODESK 3.0 on my Mega STe with 4 Megabytes and the desktop eats away a
 few hundred K.  You should check this out first cuz maybe some programs won't
 work with only a couple of hundred K remaining (I can think of a few programs
 that won't even work with a 520).
 
 
 
 
>PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out
>when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like
>to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking
>maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I
>see in the pinout.
 
I dunno .......but......
Is there any way of using LO or MED res programs on a HI res monitor??
 
 
    ferenc
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 11:33:22 GMT
From: cs.dal.ca!ac.dal.ca!cordes@uunet.uu.net
Subject: New upload to terminator - PLOT v1.50
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
New upload to Atari Archive: PLOT150.LZH
 
 This is an upgrade to PLOT125.LZH, which has been in the applications
 directory on the terminator archive. The program is a 2D Function/Data
 plotter for high/medium resolution ST's. Some of its features are:
 * Plots functions typed at the keyboard. Large range of function
    primitives to choose from.
 * Data (x-y coordinate pairs) can be entered in a simple editor or read
    from a file. Some data transformation and fitting capability is
    included.
 * Multiple curves can be overlaid on the same plot. Text can also be added.
 * Good quality output is possible via GDOS (GDOS drivers/fonts are not
    included).
 * Various numerical utilities (new in this version) are built in, including
    numerical integration, finding zeros of functions and complex roots of
    polynomials.
 
                     *Freeware*
 
John Cordes
Dept. of Physics
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada  B3H 3J5
E-mail: cordes@ac.dal.ca
 
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 9:25:00 WET DST
From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" <csd015@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: NORAOCH.PRG
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Recently, someone posted this is a uuencoded file, but when I try and
decode it, I get the message 'short file'. Can someone either repost it
or mail it to me, please?
 
 
Cheers,
        Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1)
 
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Date: 12 Jun 91 18:59:13 GMT
From: o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Notebook
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        Does anyone know if GBS has mentioned anything about making a Notebook
PDS specific GCR, or at least an adaptor for the origninal one. This
wouild be the only stopping point in me selling my Stacy for the
Notebook (If/When it comes out). Dave, are you listening? See, I told
you that I liked it!
 
 
                                -mark-
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 11:58:03 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ir
 a.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus
 Brod)
Subject: NVDI
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes:
 
>You should be aware of the fact that NVDI currently ONLY seems to work
>well in monochrome resolutions and actually slows down GEM operations
>in the other TT screen resolutions. It's also somewhat slower than
>either Turbo ST or Quick ST 2 when running on an ST, and also slower than
>Quick ST 3 when running on the TT in a monochrome screen resolution.
>Currently there is only one product available (and I'm sure you can guess
>what it is) that not only runs on the TT (sorry Turbo ST!) but actually
>significantly speeds up ALL TT screen resolutions (sorry NVDI!).  :-)
 
Don't forget that NVDI includes GDOS which is a big pro for this program
for me.
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,                  Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany                 (Piet Hein)
csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de
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Date: 13 Jun 91 10:57:56 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!dpg@uunet.uu.net (Dave Gymer)
Subject: Source for BASH 1.05 (MiNT)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've had several requests to put the source for the version of BASH I
used onto a.a, so I've just sent it off.
 
This is the UNIX version, and thus needs to be patched with my diffs
(included) before compilation. Also included is the GNU readline library,
which is needed for line editing and history.
 
Have fun!
--
/* 'Grave' Dave Gymer --------- Internet: dpg@Cs.Nott.AC.UK *\
+* 42 St Marys Park, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0EF, England *+
+* Olivier's Law:    "Experience is something you don't get *+
\*-------------------------- until just after you need it." */
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 21:15:27 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!cert!net
 news.upenn.edu!eniac.seas.upenn.edu!hindi@arizona.edu (Faeiz Hindi )
Subject: The Mother of All Computer Sales
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have the following for sale:
 
 
        For Sale:                    |  asking          |       I paid
-------------------------------------|------------------|--------------
  1040 STfm + SC1224 Color monitor   |                  |
    1 1/2 years old  PERFECT Cond    |  $500            |       $1050
    includes mouse, 1 meg ram,       |                  |
    internal DS 3.5" diskdrive       |                  |
-------------------------------------|------------------|---------------
  520 ST + SF354 external diskdrive  |                  |
    includes 512K ram--diskdrive     | -> $50 <-        |       too much
    works fine, computer runs well   |                  |
    most of time, a little flaky.    |                  |
-------------------------------------|------------------|---------------
  Supra 2400 baud modem              |                  |
   external, works like a charm      |  $60             |       $175
   add $5 for RS-232 cable           |                  |
-------------------------------------|------------------|---------------
  Star Micronics NX-1000 printer     |                  |
   dot-matrix, VERY reliable,        |  $75             |       $299
   fast, handsome output.            |                  |
   add $5 for parallel cable         |                  |
-------------------------------------|------------------|---------------
 
All of the above have been treated with the utmost of care, never opened the
units, never tinkered with.  All equipment includes all necessary
power packs and cables except where noted.
 
I would like to sell the 1040 and color monitor
together, but would consider offers for individual parts.
 
 
If you think any of the prices are unfair, let me know--maybe we can strike
a bargain.
 
 
    --->        Please respond to hindi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu      <---
 
 
        Thanks for your time.  (nice chart above, eh?)
 
                        --Faeiz Hindi
 
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Date: 13 Jun 91 14:45:21 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!opal!ki@uunet.uu.net (Karsten Isakovic)
Subject: X for the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jun10.190828.23016@clinet.fi> likos@clinet.fi (Johannis Likos)
 writes:
>The other solution is offered by the company BioData GmbH,
>the manufacturer of BioNet (I think the most reliable
>network system in ST/TT environment).
>To this X-Window-Server I cannot give any statement, because
>I never got the chance to test it.
>From hardware side I can recommend BioNet, because it is one
>of the few products, which allows network connectivity to
>other ST/TT, PC, Mac and Unix (incl. FTP, Telnet, etc.).
>BioNet is an external network interface with Ethernet (thick/thin)
>and DMA (in/out) used by many german professionals companies.
>
>likos@clinet.fi
 
Hello Johannis,
 
i attended the CeBIT 91 as manufacturer of OverScan and we were at the same
booth as Biodata. Since i work a lot with X-windows in the university, i
and the one from biodata installed the x-driver. First we installed it on
a normal MEGA ST. The x-driver was an DA that run in the background. If
you select the DA, you see a second screen with the X-interface. Since the
ST could not initially start/run any clients, you had to start an xterm
client via a normal terminal-program on the ST-screen. After a switch to
the X-screen the xterm appeared and one could start other clients like
the motif window maniger on the host maschine. To get back to the ST-screen
one had to type a shift/alt/control key combination. The X-Load and other
things continued to work on the X-screen, update was done in the AES-
multitasking, i think.
The performance of the MEGA was not very good, little slower than a sun 3/50.
On the next days we installed X-windows on the Atari TT and the performance
was better. The programmer was also at the CeBIT 91 and he said that this
was a non optimised version and the real version will be a lot faster.
The TT-Bigscreen is already supported, but our overscan-modification was
not yet supported. I talked to the programmer and so i think the overscan
modification will be supported in future...
 
Greetings, Karsten
 
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