Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 15 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue 274
 
Today's Topics:
                        1040 ST fails ram test
                     BART and how to get binaries
                                BBS's
              ct GIF to IFF converter on th ST (2 msgs)
                     Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #273
                    info on availability of Spectr
             Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts?
                   mac emulator kit for atari st's
                             NeoDesk 3.02
                        Online Reader programs
                              Publishers
                          SCSI floppy specs
                       sunclock.arc - problems
                    System 7 and Spectre (4 msgs)
                   Trackballs for sale!!! (2 msgs)
 
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Date: 15 May 91 03:37:24 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!emory!utkcs2!gathings@arizona.
 edu (Golando Gathings)
Subject: 1040 ST fails ram test
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I have just aquired a 1040 st and for some reason, it fails
the ram test for the next 512k bank.
 
        I have 3 questions :
 
        - What could cause this ( besides the fact that I might not  have
          an extra 512k in the machine )
 
        - Is there an earlier version of the 520 st that looks like
          the 1040 st ( the logo on my 1040 looks 'strange' )
 
        - Is there a fool-proof ram test prg. that I can use to make
          sure I am not seeing things( I am using a pd version
          right now )
 
Any replies or hints are welcome .
 
Golando
 
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Date: 15 May 91 05:14:43 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!atha!aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu
 (Michel Forget)
Subject: BART and how to get binaries
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner) writes:
> You really don't think so?  I've clearly listed the beginning
> of each directory with the name and a colon (i.e.'games:'),
> and I've clearly marked the end of each directory with something like
> '/end of games directory/'.  Are others having this trouble with the
> Index?  Perhaps we should just nuke the whole thing and go back to an ls -lR?
> I'd be interested in any feedback anyone has on this.
 
I like the new system of Indexing, but I have problems getting files from
Bart sometimes.  It would be nice if their were some examples in the
"help" file that detailed how to get files through the e-mail system.
I've been using commands of the format "sendb dir/filename.ext
aa,ab,ac,ad,ae" and then hoping I would get the file.  One file that I
have been consistantly unable to get is Overscan 3.  I just never get a
response.  The new system of indexing is quite clear, though.
 
<<  ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca  >>
<<  or in the language that PEOPLE use  >>
<<  Michel Forget...:)                  >>
 
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Date: 15 May 91 08:16:32 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!resbbs!Patrick_Devine@arizona.edu
 (Patrick Devine)
Subject: BBS's
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Is there such a thing as an AtariUUCP BBS program?  I've only seen FidoNet
capable BBS programs, and FidoNet does not come close to the amount of
support of Usenet.
 
Also, can someone please explain what OS/9 is?  Pardon my ignorance, but I've
heard a bit about it, but what does it differ from GEM?
 
 
-- Via DLG Pro v.95 Beta
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
[ patrick_devine@resbbs.uucp   ]  My oppinion is probably more or less not
[ vancouver_bc                 ]  your oppinion.  Atleast, maybe.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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Date: 15 May 91 02:20:16 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-sta
 te.edu!@arizona.edu (Justin DuBois)
Subject: ct GIF to IFF converter on th ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
HELP!! I am looking for a GIF to IFF converter that will run on the ST.
 
If you know where to get one, let me know.
 
Also, If you know where to find a Giff viewer that will take from the
4906 color palet of ST STe, or ST with shifter, and convert it into a
Spc or SPu or NEO or anything that uses the 4096 color palet, Id
be interested in that too.
 
thanks.
 
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Date: 15 May 91 04:32:08 GMT
From: ucdavis!csusac!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: ct GIF to IFF converter on th ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May15.022016.2792@ecst.csuchico.edu> neonman@ecst.csuchico.edu
 (Justin DuBois) writes:
>HELP!! I am looking for a GIF to IFF converter that will run on the ST.
>
>If you know where to get one, let me know.
>
 
Check out atari.archive in the printing/pbm/ directory.  There's a whole
slew of graphic conversion utilities for the ST.  I don't know if there's
a GIF->IFF converter though.  The files there are huge as well: some are
greater than 300K.
 
>Also, If you know where to find a Giff viewer that will take from the
>4906 color palet of ST STe, or ST with shifter, and convert it into a
>Spc or SPu or NEO or anything that uses the 4096 color palet, Id
>be interested in that too.
 
I'm looking for one as well.
 
 
--
   |||   Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu]
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261
         TWO WEEKS UNTIL GRADUATION!!
 
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1991 00:39 CST
From: HARRROB@karl.iit.edu
Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #273
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
UNSUBSCURIBE
 
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Date: 9 May 91 15:48:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!tmpmbx!lime!n
 icedel!artcom0!hb.maus.de!k2.maus.de!Christoph_Bregulla@arizona.edu (Christoph
 Bregulla)
Subject: info on availability of Spectr
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
C@>In the UK the price seems to be about 290 pounds (approx $550) and thats
C@> *without* the Mac ROMs.
 
That's very much... Here in Germany it costs _with_ the ROMs nearly DM1000.-,
that's about $600. In the US it's cheaper...
 
 
Ciao
 Christoph
 
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Date: 15 May 91 07:17:21 GMT
From: ucla-se!crowe!plinio@locus.ucla.edu (Plinio Barbeito)
Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May14.192458.19903@dvorak.amd.com> bpohl@dvorak.amd.com (Bion
 Pohl) writes:
>
>       Is there a parts joining script for rejoining the parts of a uuencoded
>binary or source file before uudecoding?  I've just been doing it by hand and
 
I've been using the awk script that follows on our Unix systems
successfully for quite a while.  If you run it on a file that has all
the parts of a distribution in it in numerical order, it'll strip the
extraneous stuff out of it and output a file suitable for uudecoding.
 
 
To use it, you can paste it into a file called 'stripuue.awk', copy it
into your News directory, and add this line to your .cshrc:
 
alias strip 'awk -f 
 
(To be able to use the shell alias immediately, type "source .cshrc" at
the csh prompt.)
 
Thereafter, when you save a set of binaries/sources with the 's'
command, you can use the same filename for each to effectively
concatenate all the parts into one file (but make sure they are cat'ed
in the correct order...sometimes part03 comes before part02, etc.)
 
Then you can just type something like:
 
strip filename > stripped.filename
 
and you should be able to uudecode the "stripped.filename" at that
point without problems.
 
 
'stripuue.awk' follows:
 
-------Delete everything above this line, inclusive----------------
BEGIN { mode=0  }
$1!="table" && mode==0 { }
$1=="table" && mode==0 { mode=1; print $0 }
mode==1 && $1!="table" && $1!="include" { print $0 }
$1=="include" && mode==1 { mode=2; }
$1=="include" && mode==0 { mode=2; }
$1=="begin" && mode==2 { mode=1 }
-------Delete everything below this line, inclusive----------------
 
plin
--
To mak wridin mo eficiend, i sujes de folouin janjs: drop deleder 'c', as
'k' uil do jus fin.  gt rid of endn 'e', sins ids nevr pronncd aniuai.  als,
't' is nevr nedd; us 'd'.  repeddv knsnnds shd b nls bpp ngbbl rr...01011101
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 15 May 91 03:53:42 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!emor
 y!utkcs2!gathings@arizona.edu (Golando Gathings)
Subject: mac emulator kit for atari st's
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 I am considering purchasing a mac -emulator kit for my 520 or 1040 st.
I have the following questions:
 
        -  what is the minimun system configuration one must have ?
        -  what are the limitations of such a system?
        - what mac software  will I be able to run ?
        - will I need the original mac roms in order to
          run the mac emulator?
        - do anyone have an emulator to sell ?
        - what price is too much ?
        - is PC ditto (ibm emulator )  a more economical
          option to access a larger software base?
        - will I be able to read mac disks ?
 
Thanks
 
Golando
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 15 May 91 11:49:06 WET DST
From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" <csd015@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: NeoDesk 3.02
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Whilst my original posting seems to have provoked quite a bit of
discussion, no-one has yet answered the question I asked - namely can I
use this patch on UK master disks instead of US ones? If no-one knows,
then perhaps someone has an email address for Dan Wilga so I can get in
touch and ask him.
 
 
Cheers,
        Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1)
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 14 May 91 22:26:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tred
 ysvr!cellar!revpk@arizona.edu (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Subject: Online Reader programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I finally got Usenet access here, and I've found that it takes a LOT
of time to work with-- as well as the fact that I'd rather not read every
message that comes along, so I wind up skipping messages.
        There are terminal programs for IBMs and Macs that allow one to a)
leave the program running, b) it will dial out automatically, and capture the
necessary files, and c) present them to you later on. These programs also do
something else which marks them above the standard capture buffer: they
provide for tracking replies to messages.
 
        In a sense, they present the info to he user as though they're still
on line, get the responses, and the next day they redial out and upload the
replies.
 
        Are there any such programs for the ST? Or, conversely, are there any
script files that will allow Flash to do this?
 
Brian Siano-- no signoff text yet, but I'm working on it.
 
------------------------------
 
Date: 13 May 91 22:44:53 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu
 !utzoo!censor!isgtec!ken@arizona.edu (Ken Newman)
Subject: Publishers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May10.185652.19983@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim
Omura) writes:
|>
|>      I've just finished a program and magazine article and I sent it
|> off to STart Magazine.  So right now, I'm planning my next bit of
|> work...
|> All I've seen lately in North America for paying work is STart Magazine.
|>
 
Good luck in getting your stuff published in Start. If it does by some
miracle, you will not get paid for it. As far as I have been able to tell,
they have not been paying authors for a long time (including me). Start is
going down real fast. They are not getting any advertising money - advertisers
are staying away in droves. I actually heard recently they've been running
some ads *for free* just to try and keep things alive. Bob Brodie is doing
his new column for free. A great pity, Start's kinda all there is left
in terms of mainstream Atari magazines in North America.
- kn
 
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Date: 15 May 91 03:27:36 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!uhccux!uhunix1.u
 hcc.Hawaii.Edu@arizona.edu (Jack W. Wine)
Subject: SCSI floppy specs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Here's some specs from Teac and Brier Technology brochures:
 
Teac 3.5" embedded SCSI floppy drive
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o Built-in SCSI interface reduce host computer loads
 
o Built-in 30KB data buffer makes transfer rates up to 556KB/s possible
 
o FD-235HS offers 2MB capacity and the FD-235JS, 4MB capacity
 
o Single +5V DC power operation
 
  SCSI controller specs
  -----------------------
     data buffer: 30KB
     terminator: mounted (removable)
     SCSI ID: SCSI ID = 0 (when shipped)
     Parity stop: On/Off possible (Off when shipped)
 
  Drive specs
  -----------------------
     data transfer: 250Kb/s, 500Kb/s, 1Mb/s
     rotation: 300rpm or 300/360rpm (FD-235JS)
     average access time:  94ms
     track-to-track seek:   3ms
     settling time      :  15ms
     motor start time   : 480ms or less
     error rate         : 10e-9 soft read, 10e-12 hard read, 10e-6 seek error
 
  General
  -----------------------
     MTBF: 10,000 hours or more
     MTTR: 30 min or less
     Power requirements: +5V DC +- 10% (+12V DC supply unnecessary)
     Power consumption: .45W typical standby, 1.6/1.85W read/write (FD-235JS)
     Dimensions (WxHxD): 105x42x162mm (4.125x1.625x6.375in)
 
===============================================================================
 
Brier Technology Flextra 3.5" 25MB embedded-SCSI floppy drive
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o Twin Tier Tracking technology records precisely-positioned magnetic signal
  on a barium ferrite disk to indicate where data is recorded.  This is crit-
  ical to STOR/MOR's high storage capacity
 
o Embedded servo/voice coil actuator
 
o Fast. Data access is on a par with fixed disks:
  average access time: 35ms
  track-to-track     : 15ms
  rpm                : 720
  data rate          : 1.25MB/s
 
o Large data capacity: formats to 21.4MB
 
o Error rate: 1 in 10e9 correctable, 1 in 10e12 uncorrectable
 
o Dimensions (WxHxD): 4.000x1.625x5.750in
 
The drive is sold to OEMs in large quantity only.  Q/Cor of Norcross, GA is
packaging the 25MB Flextra 3020 in internal ($849), external ($995), and PS/2
($1195) subsystems with everything necessary to plug and play with IBM PC com-
puters.  Additional disks are $30 each.
 
===============================================================================
 
Addresses:
 
Teac Corp                               Teac Deutschland GmbH
Data Storage Division                   Arzbergstr. 10 D-8036
Musashino Center Bldg.                  Herrsching, F.R. Germany
1-19-18 Naka-cho, Musashino             Ph: 08152-37080, Fax: 08152-370826
Tokyo 180, Japan
Ph: 0422-52-5041, Fax: 0422-55-2554
 
Teac America
7733 Telegraph Rd
Montebello, CA 90640
Ph: (213) 726-0303, Fax: (213) 727-7652
 
Q/Cor                                   Brier Technology
One Meca Way                            Sales & Marketing Group
Norcross, GA 30093                      25 Meca Drive
800-548-3420                            Norcross, GA 30093
                                        Ph: (404) 564-5550, Fax: (404) 381-2808
 
===============================================================================
 
Up-to-date specs on the Insite Floptical haven't been received, but a sales rep
stated that one U.S. company, Iomega Corp (manufacturer of Bernoulli drives),
has licensed their technology.  The Insite drives will be manufactured in Japan
by an un-named company.  The question of licensing the floptical drive and em-
bedded servo disk technology to Japanese companies was only answered by the
statement that Insite is preparing to make an announcement sometime in May.
 
Insite Peripherals
4433 Fortran Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
(408) 946-8080
 
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Date: Wed, 15 May 1991 09:41 N
From: "Frits Dumortier/R.U.G." <FD%AUTOCTRL.RUG.AC.BE@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: sunclock.arc - problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Dear colleagues,
 
sunclock.arc in /atari/utilities at atari.archive.umich.edu
lacks the resource file; can this please be corrected?
 
advTHANKSance,
 
Frits Dumortier
FD@BGERUG51
FD@autoctrl.rug.ac.be
 
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Date: 14 May 91 23:27:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@arizon
 a.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: System 7 and Spectre
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <9105141732.AA19207@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 writes:
>At the Windsor Atari show, Dave Small said that he had tested System 7 on
>Spectre.  It works, but he called the System 7 software "a dog."  He said
>it was terribly slow and crashed often.  I doubt that Spectre is to blame
>for the slowness and crashing.  It may be that he was just using an
>unrefined pre-release version--or maybe Apple really messed up on System 7.
>I suppose one should check it out before getting it for their Spectre (or
>Mac, for that matter).
>   __    David Johnson    Michigan State University
>  /  \ ___     ___
> /   //__/|  //__         aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu
>/___//  / |_//__          djohnson@ibm.cl.msu.edu
After my original post, I saw System 7 in a store and it
wasn't terribly slow...and I didn't see it crash.  It would be
interesting to know if Dave checked it out on a "regular"
Spectre or on a machine with his 68030 board in it...after
all, I saw it on a IIci.
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
 
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Date: 14 May 91 23:27:22 GMT
From: daffy!cat23.cs.wisc.edu!carter@rsch.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: System 7 and Spectre
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Unfortuneatly, System 7.0 doesn't work with the latest version of Dave Small's
software version 3.0.
 
Although the boot up error is quite trivial, and you don't get a crash
page just a missing resource box from the installation.
 
--Gregory
 
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Date: 15 May 91 04:57:40 GMT
From: milton!iho@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Il Oh)
Subject: System 7 and Spectre
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
 
[re: Dave Small's comment that System 7 was a "dog"]
 
>After my original post, I saw System 7 in a store and it
>wasn't terribly slow...and I didn't see it crash.  It would be
>interesting to know if Dave checked it out on a "regular"
>Spectre or on a machine with his 68030 board in it...after
>all, I saw it on a IIci.
 
If I remember correctly, Dave has a IIfx.  I don't think he'd base
his evaluation solely on his GCR on an ST (with or without a '30 board).
--
 "I'm sorry.                            |    Il Hwan Oh
  If you were right,                    |    University of Washington, Tacoma
  I would agree with you."              |    iho@cac.washington.edu
   -- Dr. Malcolm Sayer, _Awakenings_   |
 
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Date: 15 May 91 06:28:55 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!baffoni@ar
 izona.edu (Juxtaposer)
Subject: System 7 and Spectre
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <9105141732.AA19207@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 writes:
>
>At the Windsor Atari show, Dave Small said that he had tested System 7 on
>Spectre.  It works, but he called the System 7 software "a dog."  He said
>it was terribly slow and crashed often.  I doubt that Spectre is to blame
>for the slowness and crashing.  It may be that he was just using an
>unrefined pre-release version--or maybe Apple really messed up on System 7.
>I suppose one should check it out before getting it for their Spectre (or
>Mac, for that matter).
 
        It must have been a beta-version.  Nobody (except the guys who made it)
had the "golden copy" of system7 any earlier than a week or so before the
official release.  If it was the sys7b4 release, it runs like a dog on even
Mac computers :).  However, this makes me wonder:  will the SST and the TT be
able to take advantage of the Virtual Memory handling of sys7?  I ask this
because (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that Spectre (all
versions) emulate the Mac Plus, so if the sys7 uses system calls to determine
the hardware it is being run on, then maybe it will think it is using a 68k
rather than an '030 and therefore be unable to use the PMMU of the '030.
 
        BTW, Dave (or anyone else in the know), have you fixed the TT cart.
port problem?  I _think_ that was the problem that people were having
running Spectre 3.0 on TTs ... (again, correct me if I'm wrong....).
 
>
>--
>   __    David Johnson    Michigan State University
>  /  \ ___     ___
> /   //__/|  //__         aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu
>/___//  / |_//__          djohnson@ibm.cl.msu.edu
 
 
 -Mike
 
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Date: 15 May 91 00:34:08 GMT
From: ucdavis!csusac!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Trackballs for sale!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May14.205608.7264@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
 al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) writes:
>
>I am selling genuine Atari trackballs that have been modified for use with
>the Atari ST or Amiga computers. They work exactly as a mouse and are
>available for a limited time. These are NOT the bulky 2600 models. These
>are smaller and have superior buttons to the 2600 version.
>
>For a standard trackball (left mouse button only): $25
>
>For a trackball plus (left and right mouse buttons and a 9 foot cord): $35
>
>Both trackballs are totally compatable with the Atari ST or Amiga mouse.
>Please specify if you want it for the ST or Amiga if you plan to order.
>
>Please include $5 for postage and handling for each order.
>
>If you are definately going to order, please let me know ahead of time
>so I can process your order more quickly.
 
Is this a commercial advertisement?  I've seen this quite a few times in
the last several months.
 
In the first paragraph, he says "available for a limited time."  How
limited?
 
In the last paragraph, he says he wants to know ahead of time so he "can
process your order more quickly."
 
I bring this up because of the recent discussion about the mini-e-mail-order
service Mark Choi (it was you, wasn't it?!) was going to set up.
 
 
I'll take my net.police badge off now.
 
 
--
   |||   Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu]
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261
         TWO WEEKS UNTIL GRADUATION!!
 
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Date: 15 May 91 04:52:07 GMT
From: noao!ncar!midway!quads.uchicago.edu!disc@arizona.edu (gerald harvey
 dischler)
Subject: Trackballs for sale!!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May14.205608.7264@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
 al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) writes:
>
>I am selling genuine Atari trackballs that have been modified for use with
>the Atari ST or Amiga computers. They work exactly as a mouse and are
>available for a limited time. These are NOT the bulky 2600 models. These
>are smaller and have superior buttons to the 2600 version.
>
>For a standard trackball (left mouse button only): $25
>
>For a trackball plus (left and right mouse buttons and a 9 foot cord): $35
>
>Both trackballs are totally compatable with the Atari ST or Amiga mouse.
>Please specify if you want it for the ST or Amiga if you plan to order.
>
>Please include $5 for postage and handling for each order.
>
 
Someone shoot me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that a new (with
 warranty), out of the box, Wico trackball with two buttons, nicely prepared for
 the Amiga, ran about $40 at Creative Computing in Santa Monica, CA.
 Considering this, why would anyone pay the same price for a hack???
 
Further, aren't the instructions for making these devices available on
 ab20.larc.nasa.gov's anonymous FTP-server?
 
Just here to give you ALL the information in order for all you buyers out there
 to make a more objective decision.
 
Jerry Dischler
disc@quads.uchicago.edu
 
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