Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon, 30 Dec 91       Volume 91 : Issue 678
 
Today's Topics:
               ADDING A SECOND HARD DISK TO A MEGA STe
                        Another Pexec-question
               Atari Lynx & Portfolio Computer FORSALE!
                         Atari Monitor Trade?
                         Atari TTM195 Monitor
                      Files sent to atari.archiv
            Flow Chart Compiler (FCC.ARC on Atari Archive)
                 HARLEKIN II-WHAT'S NEW OR IMPROVED?
                         Hermes UUCP package
                      History of Atari (2 msgs)
                           Need STE_FIX.PRG
                           Quick ST support
                 Serious hard drive troubles (2 msgs)
                            SM124 emualtor
                           Sozobon C Shell
                         Unix-Windows for ST
 
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 91 22:22:02 AST
From: Alyre CHIASSON <CHIASSA%UMoncton.CA@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca>
Subject: ADDING A SECOND HARD DISK TO A MEGA STe
To: N <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
I expect to be receiving shortly a new MEGA STe equipped
with a hard drive. I am wondering if I can transfer the
content of my MEGAFILE 30 just by plugging in into the
external hard drive port on the MEGA and setting up
the appropriate desktop.inf file to recognize the
partions.
.
 
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Date: 30 Dec 91 11:39:52 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!gmdzi!ira.uka.de!THD-News!news@uunet.uu.net (Dr. Eder,
 Manfred)
Subject: Another Pexec-question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi again,
first I like to thank everybody to re4ply to my previous problem.
I found it myself lately: the Pexec-mode 4 needs the Basepage-address
as THIRD parameter and not as second, and second and fourth must be zero.
My doc was wrong. Well, this was fixed easy. But now I have a much harder
problem...
I write a utility-routine to start other programs. This routine is part
of a CommandLineInterpreting-code and should be coded shareable, that
means, the service is called via TRAP (For VAX/VMS-knowers: I implement the
CLI$xxx-routines and some SYS$xxx). Thus, the code is running in supervisor-
mode and is using (at least until my traphandler starts) the system-supervisor-
stack. Then I switch to my onw stack.
Now, when starting the next image (program), which uses the SAME routine for
other purpose, i found that the Pexec-service will switch the supervisor-stack
back to any location in the system-memory (down in 0x1000 region or so).
So what happens: Since the new program follows the same calling-scheme it will
enter the quenstionable routine at a specific time with the SAME stackpointer
than the previous PARENT-image. See what will happen: When the child-process
is finished, the old stackinfo is overwritten by the child and the calling
routine (now back in the parent process) will return with RTE to the wrong
address, an address in the childs process-space,not longer valid.
My question:
How to avoid having the Pexec-routine change the Supervisorstack-ptr??
Or, how to change the supervisor-stack in the childprocess WITHOUT changing
the process-mode from USER to SUPERVISOR (Yes, no 0x20 TRAP1 function wanted!)?
Thanks again...
                Mathias Gaertner, using the account of my Boss, Dr. Eder.
 
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Date: 29 Dec 91 23:51:10 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!well!edge@arizona.edu (Christopher L.
 Seguine)
Subject: Atari Lynx & Portfolio Computer FORSALE!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
**** FOR SALE *******
 
ATARI LYNX VIDEO GAME SYSTEM
----------------------------
 
* ATARI LYNX
 
* California Games
* Blue Lightning
* Slime World
* ElectroCop
* Gates of Zendecon
* Paperboy
* Gauntlet
* RoadBlasters
 
* Sun/Glare Gaurd
* Cigarette Lighter Adapter
* Carrying Pouch
==============================
    $250 OR BEST OFFER
 
 
 
 
ATARI PORTFOLIO PALMTOP COMPUTER
--------------------------------
 
* ATARI PORTFOLIO
  16 Bit MS-DOS Compatable Palmtop Computer
  Built In Address Book, Diary, Calculator,
  Spread Sheet, and Text Editor
 
* Serial Port Adapter
 
* 128K RAM CARD
  Includes misc. software that I've collected
 
* File Manager Card
=============================================
    $375 OR BEST OFFER
 
Chris @ CyberCine (415) 771-9521
 
edge@well.sf.ca.us
 
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Date: 29 Dec 91 06:12:55 GMT
From: icd.ab.com!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ba014@uunet.uu.net
 (Matthew C. Brinkhoff)
Subject: Atari Monitor Trade?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Would anyone be interested in trading an ST Mono (SM124?) monitor for an
ST Color (SC1224?) monitor + some cash or a memory upgrade board for a
1040?  Email with offers.
 
--
o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o
| Orwell was an optimist! | ba014@cleveland.freenet.edu | E Pluribus Unix |
o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o
 
 
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Date: 30 Dec 91 11:14:17 GMT
From:
 mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!nuug!fenris!sofus.dhhalden.no!jonal@uune
 t.uu.net (JON ARVID LOVSTAD)
Subject: Atari TTM195 Monitor
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Reading the Seybold report in the latest (#53) issue of Z-Net, I saw a price
for a monitor I've never heard of. The Atari TTM195 was quoted at US$1400,-,
some 400 bucks more than the standard TTM194 1280x960 mono monitor.
 
Does anyone have more info on this on? Is it a 21"/24" thing or is it a
greyscale monitor for use with a new video card. I know of a German monitor
which can give 1280x960 in 256 greyscales when used with one of the Matrix
cards.
 
Any info appreciated...
 
---------------8<----(a cut above the rest)----------------------------------
 
Jon Lovstad                |   Sorry, but this part of my .sig file has been
jonal@sofus.dhhalden.no    |   retconned by DeFalco...
                           |
SnailMail: Storgata 18     |   If Batman can have 2 Crays, then why can't
           N-1750 HALDEN   |   I get a humble TT030?
           NORWAY          |
_____________________________________________________________________________
 
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Date: 25 Dec 91 22:29:00 GMT
From:
 mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!un.maus.de!Martin_Koehl
 ing@uunet.uu.net (Martin Koehling)
Subject: Files sent to atari.archiv
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
in message <nd7t7lxm3sq@tokna.gold.sub.org> root@tokna.gold.sub.org (thomas
Knauer) writes:
 
>KAOS, the alternative OS is a commercial product. But this applies only
>for the "genuine" OS itself (i.e. ROM-files etc.).
>
>Some utilities like KAOSDESK may be copied and distributed.
>
>Greeting,
>
>Thomas
 
I don't think so.
Several months ago, I found an old version of KAOSDESK on a local BBS.
I asked on the MAUSNET if this was a legal copy (it didn't contain any
inidication of being PD or Shareware) and got the answer that it _wasn't_!
 
KAOSDESK is a sold as a commercial product for 19.80 (plus S&H).
I really don't think there is a PD version.
 
  Martin Koehling
  (Martin_Koehling@un.maus.de)
  (we like our footers short:-))
 
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Date: 29 Dec 91 15:47:22 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!mips!wrdis01!nstn
 .ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!cordes@arizona.edu
Subject: Flow Chart Compiler (FCC.ARC on Atari Archive)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
To whoever posted the flowchart compiler FCC.ARC to atari.archive:
 
Seems that you forgot to include the .RSC file!  From the docs this looks
like quite a nice program.  I'd like to try it before starting my next
programming project.  Would you repost the complete file?  Here is what
you posted:
 
Name               Length    Storage    SF   Size now  Date       Time
=================  ========  ========  ====  ========  =========  ======
EXAMPLES.FCC           7010  Crunched   55%      3173  14 Dec 91   1:26p
FCC.PRG               63949  Crunched   46%     34885  14 Dec 91   2:06p
MANUAL.ASC            38176  Crunched   64%     13782  14 Dec 91   1:42p
              ====  ========            ====  ========
Total           3    109135             53%     51842
 
-------------
Bruce MacKay
bmackay@biome.bio.ns.ca
 
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 91 22:17:03 AST
From: Alyre CHIASSON <CHIASSA%UMoncton.CA@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca>
Subject: HARLEKIN II-WHAT'S NEW OR IMPROVED?
To: N <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
I am thinking of upgrading from HARLEKIN I to II but have
yet to see a review or comments on the latest version. I
doubt that I am alone, could someone in the known
give us an idea of the new features of version II or
improvements.
.
 
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Date: 28 Dec 91 20:39:34 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!atha!aunro!alberta!adrian@arizona.edu
 (Adrian Ashley)
Subject: Hermes UUCP package
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Several people have mentioned that they'd like to see a UUCP port that
works under MiNT.  I'm porting Ian Lance Taylor's `Taylor UUCP' to
MiNT.  I'm in the final debugging stage; it works mostly, but there are
some reliability problems which I think are related to modem I/O.
I will put it on atari.archive when I figure it's stable enough.
 
I've also got ports of Smail and Elm underway; Elm almost works, and
Smail I haven't got as far as testing yet.  (-:  If anyone wants to
beta-test some of this stuff, I'd love to hear from you.  Mail me at
adrian@secret.uucp (try `adrian%secret@cs.ualberta.ca' if your site has
old maps and can't find secret by itself.)
 
A Segue: does anyone have a solid, compact implementation of the Bourne
shell working on the ST, preferably under MiNT?  I don't mean Bash, which
is a pig.  I have a port of `ash' (Kenneth Almquist's Bourne-shell clone)
underway, but I haven't had time to debug it -- anyone want to take over?
--
Vote Surrealist!  "I have only  | Adrian Ashley in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
one thing to say: pumpkinfish." | adrian@secret.uucp   adrian@cs.ualberta.ca
 
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Date: 28 Dec 91 00:49:16 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kk
 sys!tdkt!FredGate@arizona.edu (Chuck Grimsby)
Subject: History of Atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In a message of <Dec 27 04:16>, Jim Trageser (1:282/31) writes:
 >From: trag@pnet01.cts.com (Jim Trageser)
 >Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
 >I'm writing a story on the history of Atari for San Diego's ComputorEdge
 >magazine, and need some background information on some of the hardware
 >(OK, most of the hardware. . . .)
 
 >Was the 2600 game machine the first Atari home machine?
 
Didn't Atari make a thing-a-ma-jig that you hooked to both your stereo and
your TV that made colored patterns on the screen depending upon the sound
inputed?  I know that they _did_ make such a device, as we were shown one at a
user group meeting back in the 400/800 days, and I know it pre-dates those
devices, but I'm not sure when, what it was called, or just about anything
beyond what I told you above!  (Give me a break, it's been a few years since
that meeting...)
 
 
 * Origin: FlightLine PointNet  (1:282/47.1)
 
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Date: 29 Dec 91 18:33:18 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!pinelr@arizona.edu (Robert Jeffrey
 Pinelli)
Subject: History of Atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <693923672.0@tdkt.kksys> Chuck.Grimsby@tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Grimsby)
 writes:
>
>
>Didn't Atari make a thing-a-ma-jig that you hooked to both your stereo and
>your TV that made colored patterns on the screen depending upon the sound
>inputed?  I know that they _did_ make such a device, as we were shown one at a
>user group meeting back in the 400/800 days, and I know it pre-dates those
>devices, but I'm not sure when, what it was called, or just about anything
>beyond what I told you above!  (Give me a break, it's been a few years since
>that meeting...)
>
>
> * Origin: FlightLine PointNet  (1:282/47.1)
 
   I know of some people who modify their TV's to do such a thing and I've
heard it called "Waste-a-vision."  What Atari called it I've no clue.
 
--Rob
 
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Date: 29 Dec 91 04:08:10 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!news@arizona.edu (Robert
 A Jung)
Subject: Need STE_FIX.PRG
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  Help! I'm trying to find a copy of STE_FIX.PRG, and I can't locate it
anywhere.
 
  For those who don't know, STE_FIX.PRG patches a bug in TOS 1.6 (not 1.62).
This is the bug where the STe, when attached to a color monitor, will not boot
in medium resolution. STE_FIX.PRG solves the problem and makes the STe properly
read the DESKTOP.INF file so the computer boots as it should.
 
  If you have a copy of this program, or know where I can find it, please
send e-mail. I've checked most of the major anonymous FTP sites (including
the Atari archive at terminator), but have not been able to locate it. If
you could send a uuencoded version of the program, I would truly aprpeciate
it. Thanks in advance.
 
                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)
 
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    # ## #              Send replies to rjung@usc.edu
    # ## #
   ## ## ##             I wrote this. If you've got a comment, give
####  ##  ####          it to me and let's cut out the middleman.
 
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Date: 30 Dec 91 12:57:19 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!keele!csx18@uunet.uu.net (C.M. Yearsley)
Subject: Quick ST support
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Just to add my .02... I tried to buy QST twice, and failed! I tried to
register when it was shareware but they lost my mail in a reorganisation,
or something. Later I tried to buy it, and ended up with
1) No Quick-ST
2) Them having my credit card number.
 
I was recommmended to an English dealer (who only had an old version
with no plan to upgrade) or to 'phone America (which would cost almost
as much as buying the program!).
 
For me, which is best of QST or Turbo isn't the question. I'd buy QST
if I could, but after two tries I'm fed up and nervous of risking it
again..... If one of the big shareware/cheapware distributors carried
it I'd buy it like a shot...'Goodmans PD' are agents for a great deal
of shareware, for example, and sell stuff costing more than QST.
 
Mechanisms to buy software reliably exist. Until QST is available
through one, I'm not trusting my money to someone a long way away
with a bad record.
--
-----   -----   -----   -----   -----   -----   -----   -----   -----   -----
Chris Yearsley                                JANET:  csx18@uk.ac.keele.seq1
                                              USENET: csx18@seq1.keele.ac.uk
 
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Date: 29 Dec 91 08:58:21 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!oucsboss!oucsace!bwhite@arizona.edu
 (William E. White)
Subject: Serious hard drive troubles
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have an ICD host adaptor, an Adaptec 4070 RLL controller, and an ST-277R
hard drive.  Throughout the life of it I've noticed a "Sense $11" code
being returned quite often in certain places, but never had any actual
bad sectors show up (except one or two every now and then).  Then not too
long ago, I started getting bad sectors which would go away if I turned
the drive off and turned it back on again.  I had the good sense to back
up most of my data at this point.
 
Then about a month ago the hard drive suddenly gained about 100 bad sectors,
mostly centered in a few clusters.  It totally wiped out a lot of files
(almost all of which I'd backed up except for the newest ones ... no big
loss except for a class project).  I then reformatted it, repartitioned
it, and all the bad sectors went away.  Incidentally the sense code was
still the same, ie $11.  I restored all my files.
 
Then two days later I suddenly had another 100 or so bad sectors, this
time just about everywhere (but still centered in clusters).  Along with
a sense $11 I started getting occasional sense $14 codes.  Again I
reformatted, but I'm afraid to go back and reinstall everything (except
for what I need) because I'm sure this will happen again.  Even after
reformatting the second time, Cleanup (the ICD program) notices sense $11
codes in the areas that later develop bad sectors, but currently there
are no bad sectors (you can also tell because Cleanup will slow down and
sit at the suspicious sectors, but it always returns a verdict of OK.
This happened last time, two days later they went bad).
 
In the mean time I need a hard drive that works.  I'm probably going to
order a new drive and controller.  I also can't use my floppy unless the
hard drive is on (the floppy is out of alignment, but it is magically *in*
alignment whenever the hard drive is on.  It doesn't have to have booted
from the hard drive, I can just turn on the hard drive after the computer
and the floppy will still work OK.  But as soon as the hard drive is off,
the floppy can't read a single disk.  Go figure).
 
So.  Anyone have *any* idea what's going wrong here?  The only appliances
near the computer are my printer, which has the power supply in a module
on the floor, and the modem, which sits on top and also has the power supply
module on the floor.  The cable seems to be good.  Running the format program
with 16 verify passes of each sector turned up no problems (and took all
night).  I'd really prefer not to have to get rid of this drive, 65 megs is
a lot to throw away.
 
Please email all responses, thoughts, suggestions, flames, etc.  Thank you
for your time.
 
 
|  Bill White   +1-614-594-3434 |  bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (normal)  |
|  Standard login hours:        |  bwhite@view.cs.ohiou.edu (alternate)  |
|   1-3,5-7PM EST M-F (oucsace) |  more info via `finger bwhite@view...' |
--
|  Bill White   +1-614-594-3434 |  bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (normal)  |
|  Standard login hours:        |  bwhite@view.cs.ohiou.edu (alternate)  |
|   1-3,5-7PM EST M-F (oucsace) |  more info via `finger bwhite@view...' |
 
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Date: 29 Dec 91 20:46:27 GMT
From: psinntp!ultb!ultb!clf3678@uunet.uu.net (C.L. Freemesser)
Subject: Serious hard drive troubles
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <4589@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU>, bwhite@oucsace.cs.OHIOU.EDU (William E.
 White) writes:
> I have an ICD host adaptor, an Adaptec 4070 RLL controller, and an ST-277R
> hard drive.  Throughout the life of it I've noticed a "Sense $11" code
> being returned quite often in certain places, but never had any actual
> bad sectors show up (except one or two every now and then).  Then not too
> long ago, I started getting bad sectors which would go away if I turned
> the drive off and turned it back on again.  I had the good sense to back
> up most of my data at this point.
>
> Then about a month ago the hard drive suddenly gained about 100 bad sectors,
> mostly centered in a few clusters.  It totally wiped out a lot of files
> (almost all of which I'd backed up except for the newest ones ... no big
> loss except for a class project).  I then reformatted it, repartitioned
> it, and all the bad sectors went away.  Incidentally the sense code was
> still the same, ie $11.  I restored all my files.
>
 
The problem lies in the Seagate mechanism itself.  Many 1/2 height
Seagates make after 1986 (and especially new ones) suffer from poor
platter coating.  This is due to poor factory conditions (their
clean rooms are, well, not).  It sounds like the coating on your
platters is giving way.  You will have to replace the drive mechanism.
I suggest you get either a Quantum or Maxtor drive.  You can get a 130MB
Maxtor SCSI embedded drive (3.5 inch, low profile) for under $370 (I
did).
 
 
___________________________________________________________________________
__\ Chris Freemesser, RIT Comp.Eng.Tech.            Dimension's End BBS /__
___\ BITNET: clf3678@ritvax                              (716)436-3078 /___
____\ Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu              1200/2400 baud, 130MB /____
_____\ GEnie: C.FREEMESSER                        STark BBS software /_____
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Date: 28 Dec 91 11:38:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!m
 ath.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ms.maus.de!Patrick
 _Dubbrow@arizona.edu (Patrick Dubbrow)
Subject: SM124 emualtor
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
larserio@ifi.uio.no, 25.12.91 16:20:
 
l>My friend has a TT with a bigscreen monitor (monochrome) and has some
l>problems running software made for ST-MEDIUM and ST-HIGH only.  I have
l>heard something about a SM124 emulator for the TT, does anyone know more?
 
                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's from Overscan, Saentisstr. 166, D W-1000 Berlin 48, Germany and works
fine.
 
Greetings,
 patrick
 
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 91 13:06:54 mez
From: Michael Hohmuth <hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de>
Subject: Sozobon C Shell
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This is what I mailed to this group a week ago:
 
> Schartz@wet.rug.ac.be writes:
>
> > Hi, several days ago, I decoded the SOZOBON C compiler. It was
> > very disappointing to discover that the whole package is composed
> > of several TTP files. I think it's very hard to use TTP files (and I
> > don't seem to be the only one, according to reactions of others).
> > So I would like to know if there exists some sort of Manager / Shell
> > / Editor that can be used to coordinate and simplify the work with
> > Sozobon.
>
> There is some PD GEM shell for Sozobon C called CDESK. It's able to
> manage your source/object files and offers a nice desktop (I think;
> I don't use it).
>
> The only thing you need in addition is an editor.
 
Meanwhile I had a look at C-DESK (Version 1.31 of July 1990). Here is
some more information:
 
The, for almost all of you, most important and worst information first:
Unfortunately, the only thing that is English in C-DESK is its name. All
other text is in German.
 
C-DESK works with three windows where you can select c files, assembler
sources and libraries that are liked to be processed. Compiler, optimizer,
assembler and linker are called directly by C-DESK (i.e. the compiler
driver cc is not used). They can be started (seperately or automatically
one after another) by a mouseclick at the icons they are represented by.
 
The authors recommend usage of a slightly modified version of the
compiler that writes its error messages into a file instead of dropping
them to the console. (This is not a must, but makes life easier.)
(You should be able to patch your V2.0 sources on your own.)
 
Bye,
Michael
 
Internet: hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de
 
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Date: 26 Dec 91 16:57:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.
 uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ac.maus.de!Werner_Schneider@arizona.edu
 (Werner Schneider)
Subject: Unix-Windows for ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
hi there out,
 
an X-Window  Server for atari ST's is availabel from X/software michael gehret
in D-8944 Groenenbach Germany
 
werner
 
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