Info-Atari16 Digest         Tue,  2 Jul 91       Volume 91 : Issue 367
 
Today's Topics:
             Amiga is better then [sic] what??? (2 msgs)
                  Any software that prints in color?
                    Be careful about INP?(#device)
                   Canon Bubble Jet printer/driver
                      Cold Hard Cache -- help..
                                DOUBLE
                  Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
                            GENLOCK source
                  Help needed with floppy upgrade...
                   More Unix Windows stuff (2 msgs)
                   Music Hard- & Software for Sale
                                 NeXT
                               panther
                       TT monitors; spec. Seiko
                    Unwanted Amiga Input (2 msgs)
                What's the best database for the ST ?
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 08:50:44 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!baron!ryptyde!da
 nt@arizona.edu (Daniel Tracy)
Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Responding to the following:
 
> As to sound? Well The ST is the only one so far that has the capability of 3d
> sound. The STe series computers have the capability of using 3 seperate
> speakers with different sounds out of each.... 2 of those full 8 bit digital..
The Macintosh will do 4. Each of those 8-bit, 44KHz sampled.
 
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Date: 2 Jul 91 02:56:43 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cun
 ixf.cc.columbia.edu!cunixb.cc.columbia.edu!es1@arizona.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <136@ryptyde.UUCP> dant@ryptyde.UUCP (Daniel Tracy) writes:
>Responding to the following:
>
>> As to sound? Well The ST is the only one so far that has the capability of 3d
>> sound. The STe series computers have the capability of using 3 seperate
>> speakers with different sounds out of each.... 2 of those full 8 bit
 digital..
>The Macintosh will do 4. Each of those 8-bit, 44KHz sampled.
 
        The Mac only has 22KHz, 8-bit channels. I'm sure you can
buy better systems, but 22 is the limit.
        -- Ethan
 
 
FF buckets of bits on the bus,  FF buckets of bits.
Take one down,                  Short it to ground,
FE buckets of bits on the bus.
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 22:52:48 GMT
From: ads.com!pdel@ames.arpa (Peter Delevoryas)
Subject: Any software that prints in color?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
My local Atari dealer said he knows of no software with
output to a color printer such as a citizen GSX140 which
has a color ribbon.
 
Is this true, or does anyone know something he doesn't?
 
thanks for any help,
 
Peter D.
 
--
 
 login name:   L1-A
 In real life: Peter Delevoryas
 In any other life: a cheap imitation
 
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Date: Tue,  2 JUL 91 10:11 N
From: "OUT, OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-O..."
 <OLIVOTTO%ITNVAX.CINECA.IT@ICINECA.CINECA.IT>
Subject: Be careful about INP?(#device)
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
>
>>Does anyone know if GFA Basic will allow [timeouts]? Apparently not;
>>so far my programs hang on the INP if there is no more input.
>>
>Check if there's anything waiting for you with INP?(#channel).
>It'll return a TRUE if there is, a FALSE if there ain't.
>
I agree, you should use INP?(#nchannel). But there are cases when this might
not work. In example, suppose you are trying to read from the MIDI IN port a
stream of bytes. At a certain point the buffer becomes full and the transmit-
ter stops sending data. I don't know why, but this usually causes an "idle"
state to the conputer, and sometimes you have to reset it and start again.
The main point is that you usually want to test the presence of data, but you
really do not know when a device stop sending them, and so all could get stuck
in the middle of it.
 
                                Best Wishes,
                                Marco Olivotto
 
olivotto@itncisca.bitnet
olivotto@itnvax.cineca.it
 
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Date: 2 Jul 91 01:02:31 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ukma!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!buny
 ip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@arizona.edu (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Subject: Canon Bubble Jet printer/driver
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jun28.172752.12134@wpi.WPI.EDU> douglas@wpi.WPI.EDU (Douglas C
 White) writes:
>       A friend of mine wants to sell me his Canon
>model BJ-10E Bubble jet printer......
>could not find the right printer driver to use it
>               Doug White
I recently bought one. If you can find an IBM Proprinter driver, that's
fine. Also, any Canon BubbleJet driver - need not be BJ10-e. At worst, you
can use any EpsonFX driver too. It's a great little printer.
 
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Date: 2 Jul 91 03:14:14 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!netcomsv!yonder@arizona.edu
 (Christopher Russell)
Subject: Cold Hard Cache -- help..
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have heard that Cold Hard Cache is supposed to be one of the better
Cache programs.  Isn't it true that it is the basis for Diamond Cache?
Anyays, the docs in the version (3.5) that I have say it may not work
with partitions larger than 16M -- it says that it is untested.  It
looks like maybe the author put that note in there for an earlier version
and then left it in the docs for 'history' purposes, but I am not sure.
Is anybody using CHC on >16M partitions.  Can somebody suggest another
cache program?
 
          .........thanks.........
 
 
--
Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy)  Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 21:39:46 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: DOUBLE
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Please forget about the 4 bigscreen emulatores posted yesterday
There is nothing wrong with them, but since they are so equal I
decided to build everything into one small and neat program !!!
 
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS PROGRAM ONLY WORK WITH STE or NEWER !!!!!
 
Double Screen-Heigh emualtors for STE, MEGA STE (and TT ??)
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
To install DOUBLE.PRG just put it in your auto-folder as early as possible
(and be sure it's before Quick-ST etc).  When the computer boots DOUBLE.PRG
will NOT install itself unless you are holding down one of the SHIFT keys.
If installed in mono it will emulate a 640 x 800 screen (double height) and
if installed in color (desktop.inf must be medium res) a 640 x 400 screen.
Text based program (TOS etc) will still use only the upper half of the
screen (the normal area) as this worked best with the programs I tested.
Most GEM based programs will use the whole screen (I made it for use with
Calamus DTP and Timeworks DTP, but many many more programs can use it...)
 
RIGHT-SHIFT while booting --> Up/Down scrolling emulator
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
When you move the mouse close to the top or bottom of the visible screen
area the screen will scroll down or up to display more of the screen.
Think of the monitor screen as a window showing a part of the whole area.
 
LEFT-SHIFT while booting --> Interlaced screen display
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
This will double the number of lines WITHOUT having to scroll the screen
by condensing the screen display.  This mode will flicker some (users of
color monitors or TV should use 60 Hz) but you might get a better result
by adjusting brightness and contrast (yes, it looks like an Amiga :-)
 
Please Support ShareWare and Public Domain developement
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Send 100 NKr (equals $15, DM25, 10 pounds, 30 guilders) by cheque or to
norwegian postgiro account 0537 6846174 (see your local post office for
a transfer card, "Service des cheques postaux, Avis de versement VP1").
Payable to:  Lars-Erik 0sterud, 0kriveien 39, N-1349 Rykkinn, Norway.
 
If you have any problem, ideas, bug-reports, wishes etc contact me !!
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Lars-Erik 0sterud       E-mail:         larserio@ifi.uio.no  (usenet)
Okriveien 39            Call me at:     +47 2 13 15 71  (voice phone)
N-1349 Rykkinn          or ABK-BBS:     +47 2 13 26 59  (300-9600 bps)
Norway             ____ ______  _____________________________________
                  /___    /             The norwegian ST   Contact us
                 ____/   /    Klubben,  user association   at ABK-BBS
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 23:02:19 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@uunet.uu.net
 (Warwick Allison)
Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1991Jul1.153900.9920@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes:
 
>I've been using Elvis (a vi clone) for quite some time now, but just
>recently discovered that the version I have (from atari.archive)
>sometimes inserts newlines at seemingly random points in large files.
>Since most of the work I do is on source code with < 32K source
>modules, I never noticed the problem until now.
 
I've noticed this too on large files.  I'd be VERY interested in a fix.
Also, to make Elvis work under MiNT, I had to ensure files existed before
I editted them (via a script) also, the ":n" didn't work.  I used MiNT's
excellent debugging trace option (AltF1 ?), and discovered that it is Elvis'
fault - it does illegal things when openning files.
 
Warwick.
--
  _-_|\       warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /     *  <-- Computer Science Department,
 \_.-._/      University of Queensland,
      v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 23:37:02 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu
Subject: GENLOCK source
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Would someone please post info on where I can get GENLOCK devices for
the ST/TT. I want to get into DT video and do not know where to look for
information. Are there publications that I can get?
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 20:22:45 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!ukma!aunro!alberta!herald.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!umhagma1@a
 rizona.edu (Dr. Phrancinstyne)
Subject: Help needed with floppy upgrade...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  Hello all.  I need some help with my upgrade to a 720K drive.  I currently
have a 520 STfm which I have upgraded to 1 Meg, but it still has the old 360K
(Single Sided) drive, which is quite flakey.  I have been told that I can use
just about any 3.5" drive in place of the old one merely by swapping the
cables.  Is this true?  I have already tried this and it does not work for
me.  Am I missing something?  I would greatly appreciate any help in this area
since I have not seen anything recently pertaining to a floppy upgrade in
comp.sys.atari.st.  Please send email to UMHAGMA1@CCU.UMANITOBA.CA.
 
Thanks much.
Brett.
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 23:35:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax
 1!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett)
Subject: More Unix Windows stuff
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
    I just recently got uw up and running fine, however, I was wondering
is there any way at all to get this prog to do other than adm3 emulation.
It looks very useful, but I would REALLy need to use it in vt100 or
similiar mode.  Anyone have ANY ideas about this at all?
 
*************************************************************************
*     J.J.      *  Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU  *     Penn State     *
*               *                                  *     Center for     *
*  John Lehett  *  Bitnet:   JJL101@PSUVM          * Academic Computing *
*************************************************************************
*    Atari ST's!, Puzzles, Cryptos, Games, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi     *
*************************************************************************
 
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Date: 2 Jul 91 02:38:21 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uq
 cspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: More Unix Windows stuff
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <91182.193556JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett) writes:
 
>    I just recently got uw up and running fine, however, I was wondering
>is there any way at all to get this prog to do other than adm3 emulation.
>It looks very useful, but I would REALLy need to use it in vt100 or
>similiar mode.  Anyone have ANY ideas about this at all?
 
UW emulates an adm31 terminal.  Terminal features such as variable-size, etc.
are probably the main considerations.  (vt-100 is fixed to 80x24 ??)
 
Warwick.
--
  _-_|\       warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /     *  <-- Computer Science Department,
 \_.-._/      University of Queensland,
      v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 2 Jul 91 00:40:55 GMT
From: athena.arc.nasa.gov!glennd@icarus.riacs.edu (Glenn Deardorff - GDP)
Subject: Music Hard- & Software for Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm summer cleaning, & I'd like to sell the following:
 
* Tascam M-06 mixer:
 
         6-input mixer (with both line and mic inputs)
         voltage meter (1 for each of 2 output channels)
         2-band EQ
         2 headphone jacks; 1 headphone volume knob
         1 effects send / stereo return
         per input channel control of:
             trim, EQ, pan, effects send, volume
 
         $125
 
* Digitech DSP-128 effects unit:
 
         upgraded to DSP-128 plus, to allow 4 simultaneous effects
         many kinds of reverb, delay, EQ. etc.
         20 - 12KHz bandwidth
 
         $150
 
* Casio CZ101 synthesizer:
 
         4-voice, phase distortion synth
         8-segment envelopes for pitch, amplitude, and "filter"
         4-part multitimbral mode (where each part is monophonic)
         literally thousands of sounds in Atari ST format
 
         $100
 
* Interval Music's K1II ed/lib
 
         great Kawai K1II ed/lib for Atari ST (any version TOS)
         includes automatic patch creation and mutation
         includes over 12 banks of sounds for K1
                  (I don't recall the exact number)
 
         $50
 
* Hybrid Arts' CZ-Android
 
         CZ ed/lib for Atari ST (TOS 1.0)
         includes automatic patch creation and mutation
 
         $30
 
 
All of these puppies have sat in one place in my home studio and are
3 years old or less.
 
 
Glenn Deardorff
 
E-mail: glennd@athena.arc.nasa.gov
 
Home #: (408) 425-0699
 
Work #: (415) 604-3169
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 22:27:10 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.e
 du!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: NeXT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
If you people really want to argue and lose about a great machine,
lets argue about the relative cost/performance merits of Atari TT's
and the NeXT Station currently reviewed in BYTE Mag.
 
Looks Like NeXT has got the phrase "Power without the price." Down to a
surface mount science.
 
I own an Atari, Christ I right a lot of software for the machine, PD
and personally I think the machine is something from 1985.
 
Atari is caught in the same old stone age architecture as InTEL's 486
chip.
 
Even if you where to argue that the current architecture targets a
specific HOME market, it STILL costs too much!
 
Atari missed the boat, they should have made an entirely NEW modular
machine.  Soon as I get the money, my MEGA STE is going to sit and
either run MAC software or my BBS software.
 
I am going to buy a real machine, and its going to be a 040 UNIX
platform.
 
--Gregory
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer Aided Engineering Center    |  Student consulting
" You can ask, but hey, I just work here, I don't know all that much! "
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(Better sig a commin soon...)
 
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Date: 30 Jun 91 17:58:07 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!jjung@arizona.edu
 (Robert Jung)
Subject: panther
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jun30.121617.867@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com
 (Chuck Schul) writes:
>what happened to the atari panther ?
 
  Depending on which rumor mill you subscribe to, it's either been cancelled,
or renamed the "Jaguar", a 32-bit 68030 system ("Atari introduces the world's
first 32-bit game system!") that's backwards compatable (so the currently-
developed Panther software will run) but offers more features.
 
  Notice that both rumors are not mutually exclusive...
 
                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    # ## #              Send replies to jjung@nunki.usc.edu
    # ## #
   ## ## ##             I wrote this. If you've got a comment, give
####  ##  ####          it to me and let's cut out the middleman.
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 06:03:46 GMT
From:
 europa.asd.contel.com!wlbr!lonex.radc.af.mil!blackbird.afit.af.mil!dsacg3.dsac.
 dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire.wright.edu!cse0507@uunet.uu.net
Subject: TT monitors; spec. Seiko
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello,
        I'll be getting a TT in a few weeks (:-), and I still have time to
think about the monitor.  A friend showed me his Seiko 1445 for the Mac, and
that is one *top-notch* display (albeit 640x480).  I've been looking at
specs for the Seiko 1450 (the *BM version), and it's 1024x768 non-i'lace.
About the same price, too.  I am seriously considering 24 bit cards, and
my basic frame of reference is graphics work (render, model, etc...).
Please deluge me with opinions on monitors.  Info on 24-bit cards that are
shipping in the North American (pref. US) market *right now* would be
helpful.  General TT messages are ok to send to me.
                            Bob The (nosig) Schulze
             try --> cse0507@desire.wright.edu <-- but I doubt it.
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 16:24:52 GMT
From: uupsi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!mack.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!borgen@nyu.arpa
 (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Unwanted Amiga Input
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul1.141138.7331@athena.mit.edu> ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher
 K. Brown) writes:
>       Yeah.  Right.  Nice Amiga People.  Why would anyone with an Amiga
>EVER read this newsgroup.  It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.  I don't even
>know what the comp.sys.amiga.* newsgroups look like.  They could come up
 
1. Who says it has to make sense?
2. Do you have an end-all be-all solution to what makes sense?
3. It makes rather much sense(IMNSHO). I think it is known as broadening your
knowledge. It is also fun watching the 'competitors'; you should know your
enemy before engaging battle(though I am getting a bit tired of all the
flame-wars. Come over to c.s.amiga.advocacy if you fancy some fresh
flaming).
 
4. It would however be out of line to discuss Ataris and Atari-stuff when
you don't own an Atari yourself. That's why I've been reading this
newsgroup for 2 years without you noticing. I'd even read the PC, MAC, and
nExt groups if I had more time.
--
|////  borgen@stud.cs.uit.no   (Borge Nost)             B2000 rev 4.1    \\\\|
|///   ...and then there was AMIGA...                                     \\\|
|//___ studying at the worlds northernmost university (Tromsoe, Norway)____\\|
|/                      If you can't do it, fake it.                        \|
 
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Date: 1 Jul 91 19:29:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling)
Subject: Unwanted Amiga Input
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
 
> Well the problem comes about that someone was posting an informative
> message that Atari users took as a personal attack (insecurity?) and
> they responded with tons of lies/misconceptions/propoganda/falsities
> about the Amiga.
> [...] we get Amigan's trying to correct the mis-information and it's
> construed as a Computer war.  When in reality, it's just some nice
> Amiga people trying to prevent the spread of false information.
 
To all who missed out, this started when a snivelling little shithead
fuck named Thomas Hill posted a rambling Amiga boast with the intent
of starting a flame war.  The fact that he posted a message about it
on an Amiga newsgroup shortly thereafter inviting people to "join in
the fun" proves this.
 
This Erik person apparently decided to "join in".  There are others.
 
Attempts to justify the original post are laughable.  Hill claimed
first that 10 people (and one day later, interestingly enough, 20
people) responded to his post seeking asylum in Amigaland.  Yes,
that's right, he claims that there are 20 people who have usenet
access, and considered buying Amigas, but to whom it never occurred
to go to one of the dozen Amiga newsgroups and ask questions.
 
Frankly, it was fun flaming you weenies for a while.  But now you've
become rather tiresome.  From now on this discussion will take place
in YOUR newsgroup, not ours.
 
Which is too bad, because most Amiga users I've met have been good
folks.  Well, you started it.  You can have it back.
 
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
 
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Date: 2 Jul 91 02:50:16 GMT
From: math.fu-berlin.de!tmpmbx!lime.in-berlin.de!techno@uunet.uu.net (Techno)
Subject: What's the best database for the ST ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Database ? Well, the hottest stuff here in Germany is Phoenix by
Application Systems Heidelberg (the Signum guys). Great GEM interface
and phenomenal performance - I cann tell because they were so sure of
themselves that they stuck a demo version on front of the TOS magazine.
Check it out.
 
By the way, I believe it was written by the Adimens programming team.
 
                                         Techno
 
--
| techno@zelator.in-berlin.de ||| Please do not e-mail from outside Germany ! |
| techno@lime.in-berlin.de   / | \ Hardcore ST user !  ====================== |
| Nothing that's real is ever for free, you just have to pay for it sometime. |
|                                        (Al Stewart)                         |
 
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