Info-Atari16 Digest         Sun, 14 Jul 91       Volume 91 : Issue 390
 
Today's Topics:
                  An idea for DC Software? (2 msgs)
             APPLE + IBM Agreement - the world is doomed
                        calamus vs pagestream
                           DTP for music ?
                        For Sale: Spectre 128
                               GNU C++
                              Lattice C
                          MEGA STE problems
                  Need 68000 socket adapter (2 msgs)
                    PageStream VS Calmus (2 msgs)
                          PORTABLE ADDICTION
                      Portfolio in Terminator 2?
                              RS232 port
                       skates.lzh at terminator
                  Supercharger IBM emulator for sale
                         What's a STE anyway?
                     Who sells Turbo-C in the US
                     Zoo 2.1 - first impressions
                             ZOO problems
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 14:24:20 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: An idea for DC Software?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <6142@cernvax.cern.ch> hohr@cernvax.cern.ch (roger hoh) writes:
>
>  Hi Atarians,
>
>  I need a printer spooler I could size by using the same system
> as for FOLDERxxx.PRG, called say SPOOLRxxx.PRG, where 'xxx' is the
> size of the spooler in Kb.
>
>  Of course, if I'm the only one with such a need, just forget me:-).
>
> Roger           hohr@cernvax.cern.ch
 
Well here is another one, I use Flash all the time and often save
the Capture Buffer, Well I have lost a Few Captures because  you save
a File, there no check that the File Name you are using is allready there,
ie, no check for duplicate file names, so a TSR to work with Flash, when
saving marked blocks would be very useful, ie check for duplicate file name..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard        *    Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd          *  *   At least I don't Flicker, not     ***
***  Kapiti New Zealand..    *     like a dying light globe. !       ***
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 18:46:29 GMT
From: uvaarpa!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU!lch3e@mcnc.org (Lauren C. Howard)
Subject: An idea for DC Software?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  I encourage folks who can't afford other computers to buy the ST.  Most
of them end up with one floppy drive, no HDD.
   We'd like to be able to boot a disk, copying everything on it to a RAM
disk it creates, all done automatically on bootup.  Then we could run that
program from RAM.  RAMSTART for the Mac does this.  It takes just as long
to load it to the RAM disk and then run it, as it does to run it from the
floppy; but then in using the program you have the extra speed.
  Having a user-selectable drive name, or else defaulting to drive A:,
would make it useable with fussy programs like Timeworks DTP.
 
Please don't comment with "why dont you buy a hard drive/pagestream/etc."
There are a lot of people in the world who can't afford a small fortune
for a computer, much less adding harddrives.  The ST is ideal for them;
excellent service from 1 disk drive, even with a TV set.
 
Thanx for your time and consideration.
 
Lauren Howard, Chief Potentate
  ACCCHU!
Atari Computer Club CHarlottesville Users !
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 22:28:49 GMT
From: microsoft!darekm@uunet.uu.net (Darek MIHOCKA)
Subject: APPLE + IBM Agreement - the world is doomed
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul9.112242.31968@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
 writes:
>Just to get some discussion going:  What do you all think will be the
>effect on Atari of the recent agreement between Apple and IBM?  It seems to me
>that it could be deadly.
>
>Steve Shawl
 
Atari? Who cares about Atari! THE WHOLE WORLD IS DOOMED! Run for cover. It's
like a blind man and a deaf man getting together to make a movie. Next
thing you know, all sorts of arch rivals will hop into bed together to pave
way for a new world order: Coke and Pepsi, Bart Simpson and Cosby, GEnie
and Compuserve, Jews and Christians, and oh gosh, Turbo ST and Quick ST. Heeelp!
 
- Darek
 
 
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Darek Mihocka. Quick ST 3 for the ST/TT. All views expressed are my own.
  Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA  98007
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Date: 14 Jul 91 10:51:28 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!milton!raven.alaska.edu!acad
 3.alaska.edu!fnjlh1@arizona.edu (HARRIS JAY L)
Subject: calamus vs pagestream
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
    I've read the current thread with interest, but few seem to have mentioned
what I find to be very annoying about Pagestream 1.8, and that is inexplicable
(by me) lockups, forcing a certain intimacy with the power switch. This happens
often enough that I fear it constantly and am loathe to spring for PS 2.*.
I've also found it very troublesome to import text from WordWriter.. the
kerning seems odd, and can't be changed.
    Does anyone else experience this, or do I have some systemic problem???
As it stands now, I know nothing about Calamus, but I sure want to learn.
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 15:16:22 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.c
 is.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling)
Subject: DTP for music ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
pjj@cs.man.ac.uk (Pete Jinks) writes:
 
> Does anyone know of any packages (preferably PD/shareware/cheap, but anything
> is better than nothing) that can be used to create a music score (maybe with
> words) and print it?
> Ease of use (initial input, modification) and the ability to cope with
> long and/or complicated scores (e.g. multiple parts) would be important.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
 
Hi, Pete.
 
I use C-Lab's NOTATOR, which is outstanding.  The new version, 3.1, finally
incorporates all the font and layout capabilities you'd ever need.
 
However, it's neither shareware nor cheap (about $500), probably because it
also includes the world's greatest sequencing software.
 
 
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
 
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 91 12:25:26 WET DST
From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" <csd015@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: For Sale: Spectre 128
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Well, I've had a Mega STE on order for quite some time now, and finally
saw the machine on Friday. I cancelled the order the same day, and am
now buying a Macintosh LC.
 
Reasons? Well, despite the 16Mhz 68000, according to the benchtest
program Quick Index, the BIOS actually came out as being slower than on
my nearly five year old STFM. The hard drive handling is appalling -
name another machine where you have to press a key before it recognises
the hard drive (yes - I -know- you can wait for around ninety seconds,
but that is simply unacceptable). I can't. Also, the hard drive fan is
fairly noisy, it certainly irritated me after using it for a while. All
this plus the current rumours of yet another DMA cock-up has convinced
me that, taking a long term view, I'd be wasting my money if I sank it
into Atari anymore. I've been a faithful fan of the ST for some time
now, and would -still- choose one over a Mac Classic, but I have to
think of the future of such a large investment, and long term I don't
see one.
 
The net result of this is that I have the Spectre 128 Mac emulator for
sale, preferably to a UK buyer - but as they buyer will pay postage I'm
prepared to send it anywhere. No ROMs, I'm afraid, but there's a list of
sources if you need them. I'm asking sixty-five pounds, which is what it
cost me, so I'm not trying to rip anyone off.
 
Meanwhile, I bid you all a fond farewell. I've enjoyed my ST years, and
it's taken me further than I expected to go, but current circumstances
dictate that it's time to go.
 
 
Cheers,
      Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1)
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 17:55:17 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!wuarchive!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!sinner@ar
 izona.edu (Ken E Sinner)
Subject: GNU C++
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
If you are using GNU C++ on your Atari ST, I would appreciate
hearing how you have your system configured.
 
Thanks much.
 
ken
 
sinner@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 16:50:18 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!AlexK@uunet.uu.net (Alex Kiernan)
Subject: Lattice C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
n article <1991Jul11.233335.8445@lsuc.on.ca> jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
 writes:
%     I have just received word that there is a 2nd edition manual that
%is coming with newer versions of Lattice C version 5 that has better
%documentation on assembly language.  My manual is the 1st edition, dated
%March 1990.  People buying the very latest packages should be getting
%the new manual
 
As of the next release much of the updated assembler documentation will be
 included on disk/as an addendum manual (I say it like because we haven't made
 the decision yet). The next version will be a major upgrade on the current
 version, although so long as you are registered you will be notified of the new
 release when its available.
 
%     Anyway, I'm already stuck trying to port my program from Sozobon C
%to Lattice C.  The compiler seems fussier than I like.  Still, assuming
%I haven't hit a compiler glitch, I suppose it will result in better
%code in the long run
 
BTW I notice you have a BIX account; hisoft are on BIX and we can give much
 better support there. If you don't manage to sort out your problem drop us a
 line on BIX and I'll try and help out.
 
Alex Kiernan, HiSoft.
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 14:44:02 GMT
From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!FredMail@uunet.uu.net (Rod Fulk)
Subject: MEGA STE problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Oh yea?
Didn't you know AtariExtended their warrenties to a full year?
Get it fixed.. You have no excuses.. ;-)
 
 * Origin: The R.I.P.  (616)235-2313   [HST] (1:228/24)
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 01:56:18 GMT
From: cadence!cadence.com!bammi@uunet.uu.net (Jwahar R. Bammi)
Subject: Need 68000 socket adapter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul11.054253.20568@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov
 (Howard Chu) writes:
 
> If anyone else is interested, I was just told of another source, a company
> called FAST Technology, based in Massachuetts. (Sorry I don't have their
> address/ph# handy right now.) At any rate, they are said to sell an adapter
> for a mere $45. A pittance compared to the $240 charged above.
 
        FASt tech is in  my neighbourhood:
                          FaST Technologies
                           14 Lovejoy Road
                          Andover, MA  01810
                            (508) 475-3810
 
I am currently using their T20 a 20Mhz 68K accelerator. I also go over to
play with their 68030 accelerator, which is coming along nicely.
 
Before everyone tells me that moto does'nt make a 20Mhz 68k, what FaST
Tech is doing is running specially selected  16Mhz chips at 20Mhz.
 
Give jim a call. he also has other neat toys in the works ...
 
cheers,
 
--
--
bang:   uunet!cadence!bammi                     jwahar r. bammi
domain: bammi@cadence.com
GEnie:  J.Bammi
CIS:    71515,155
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 18:05:15 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
 isc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter)
Subject: Need 68000 socket adapter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have been making comments about FaST Tech's 68K 20Mhz board, and
mainly they have been very critical.
 
I still maintain the position that running a board or encouraging
this kind of practice of under design.
 
Especially since the ST is NOT at any point a stable hardware design.
Even during periods of manufacturing the boards electrical chracteristics
change often enough to make such a upgrade dubious.
 
I could be wrong...but I am such a know it all, that seldom occurs. :)
 
--Greg
 
 
 
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 22:42:32 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!hsdndev!think.com!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jonh!jh
 enders@arizona.edu (John Henders)
Subject: PageStream VS Calmus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <A1315378925@thelake.mn.org>, Steve Yelvington writes:
 
>If you're addressing me, you're talking to the wrong person. I didn't
>say anything about you; that was someone else. I figure your postings
>speak for themselves.
>
>The folks who know me are probably doubled up laughing.
>
>I know which side of the type goes up. I'm an editor at the Star Tribune
>in Minneapolis, the largest newspaper between Chicago and Los Angeles.
        <stuff deleted>
 
        Steve, please. How many times do we have to tell you. Facts have no
place in this newsgroup. Please take it to .tech.
 
--
          John Henders                      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
          Vancouver,B.C                     or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 17:31:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
 @arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: PageStream VS Calmus
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes ... ]
 
 >      Steve, please. How many times do we have to tell you. Facts have no
 > place in this newsgroup. Please take it to .tech.
 
<<Plonk>>  (or, in Quebec, <<Plonque>>)
 
Silly me. :-)
 
By the way, has anybody actually seen the hotshot new prepress software
from France that was displayed at the CEPS show a few months ago? If I'd
known what was going to be there, I'd have driven down for the weekend.
 
Isn't somebody from Goldleaf on this network?
 
 ----
 Steve Yelvington <steve@thelake.mn.org>
 Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 10:38:13 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!nikhefh!a15@uunet.uu.net (Peter Heymens Visser)
Subject: PORTABLE ADDICTION
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
PORTABLE ADDICTION !!!
 
Issue 03 of Portable Addiction is out !
It will be spread by mailing list only. If you want to be added to the
mailing list please e-mail to :
a15@nikhefh.nikhef.nl   or to :
gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU
If you want 1 copy only please e-mail to the nikhef address.
Here follows a contentce of Issue 03.
 
Lynx: Reviews:  Zarlor Mercenary
                Electro-Cop
                Warbirds (Comlynx)
      Previews: Ninja Gaiden
      + Screen Scene Europe + Lynx Technics + Software Hit List
 
Game Gear: Review: Castle of Illusion
 
Portfolio: *HUGE* software list
           And reviews from Mr. Portfolio
 
 
a15@nikhefh.nikhef.nl
Tjerk Heijmens Visser
c/o Peter Heijmens Visser
National Institute for Nuclear Physics
and High Energy Physics ( NIKHEF-H )
Computer Department
Postbox 41882
1009 DB Amsterdam - Netherlands.
 
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 03:24:32 GMT
From: crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Portfolio in Terminator 2?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hey:
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 7-Jul-91 Portfolio in
> Terminator 2? Corey Liu@jarthur.clarem (876)
 
> Did not look like Atari had a hand in the appearance though.  I could not
> find any listing in the credits and it seemed the filmakers tried to
> avoid
> showing the product label (i.e. the Fuji).
 
 
        I doubt Atari had a hand in it, but they DID show the Atari logo and
fuji for a brief shot at the beginning.
 
 
                        -MARK-
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 17:41:56 GMT
From: van-bc!dscheidt@uunet.uu.net (Daniel Scheidt)
Subject: RS232 port
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm having trouble reading from and writing to the RS232 port on
my 1040st (1985 roms).  Internals tells me that there is some problem
with TOS and the Clear To Send interrupt line on the MFP.  Can anyone
give me a hand with the work-around for this problem?
 
Please reply to the address below.  Thanks.
 
- Daniel Scheidt
  djs@scheidt.wimsey.bc.ca
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 14:10:38 GMT
From: njin!uupsi!stiatl!iam@princeton.edu (Ian Mercado)
Subject: skates.lzh at terminator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
miskinis@aidev.enet.dec.com (John Miskinis) writes:
 
 
>ANYWAY, I placed the files in A:/skates/jmw as documented, but keep
>getting a mysterious "error #052, press any key"...
 
Tried to e-mail, but the reply failed.  Anyway...
 
You should put them in a folder called A:\skates.jmw NOT A:\skates\jmw
 
I've already erased this one (anything that won't run off the hard drive
had better be really good), but different strokes for different folks.
 
Good luck.
 
--
--------   ----   ----   --    |   Ian Mercado: iam@stiatl.salestech.com      |
   --     -    -  -----  --    |                emory!stiatl!iam              |
   --    -------- --  -----    |                                              |
-------- --    -- --   ----    |   "Can't keep my mind from the circling sky" |
 
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Date: 14 Jul 91 06:25:01 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!ogicse!orstcs!@arizona.edu
Subject: Supercharger IBM emulator for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I bought this Supercharger back in May, and I have enjoyed using it.
However, this coming school year I will be living with a friend of mine
who owns an IBM PS-2, so an IBM emulator is less of a necessity for me now.
 
The Supercharger is literally in like-new condition.  With the purchase you
will receive DOS 4.01, version 1.3 of the Supercharger utilities, all the
original documentation, the original box, and even the original packing foam.
 
All this for the modest price of $300, and I'll even pay shipping.
If $300 doesn't sound good, holler.  I may me willing to make a deal or work
some kind of trade.
 
John Thaanum            thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu
 
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Date: 4 Jul 91 20:39:44 GMT
From: cucstud!tfd!afp!gna!linn!Jan.Willekens@uunet.uu.net (Jan Willekens)
Subject: What's a STE anyway?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In a message of <26 Jun 91  20:53:55>, freds@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (2:320/100.1)
writes:
 
 f> From: freds@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Fred Saavedra)
 f> Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
 f>
 f> Well so far a few folks have helped me understand just what the
 f> STe is.
 f>
 f> 3. STe has a new blitter chip new sound chip
 
No, it is the same as the Mega ST's blitter chip. The STE only has extra chips
for scrolling horizontally and vertically.
 
Greetings...                                                - Jan -
 
---
STabloid's Chief Editor... Prerelease out soon!
    Jan.Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet.org
 or tfd.com!afp!gna!linn!p12.f202.n281.z2.fido!Jan.Willekens
 
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Date: 11 Jul 91 12:50:23 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!goanna!min
 yos.xx.rmit.oz.au!s882854@arizona.edu (Tehn Chin)
Subject: Who sells Turbo-C in the US
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Martin_Gaeckler@m.maus.de (Martin Gaeckler) writes:
 
 
 
 
>Hello Jim,
 
>Turbo C for the Atari ST/TT is no longer supported by Borland. Borland gave
>up the Atari ST product.
>There will be a new version called >Pure C<. The Distributor is Application
>Systems in Heidelberg, Germany.
 
>Martin Gaeckler
 
Did Borland give a reason for stopping to support the Atari ST product?
 
Tehn Yit Chin
s882854@minyos.xx.rmit..oz.au
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 17:03:33 GMT
From: noao!ncar!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!bjsjr@arizona.edu (Bill
 Shroka)
Subject: Zoo 2.1 - first impressions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1507@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> koreth@twitterpater.eng.sun.com (Steven
 Grimm) writes:
>
>Zoo 2.1 is pretty impressive, all right.  As soon as someone submits a working
>ST version to both the sources and binaries groups, I'll start accepting
>submissions in zoo 2.1 format.  It'll be nice to get away from the lharc
>controversy once and for all.  (I have no special attachment to the program,
>as some have claimed; it just gave the best compression at the time.)
>
 
I should have a version out to you within a week.  I presently have a
"vanilla" version out to some beta-testers now and there doesn't seem to
be any major problems.
 
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Shroka
bjsjr@NCoast.ORG
ncoast!bjsjr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu
 
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Date: 13 Jul 91 17:46:49 GMT
From:
 uwm.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.ca!silvert@rutgers.rutg
 ers.edu (Bill Silvert)
Subject: ZOO problems
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I recently ran into a problem trying to archive a set of files, one of
which was over 260KB.  ZOO gave me a read error on the file.  So I
ported the rest of my archive over to a Unix system along with the
problem file, extracted all the files from the archive and re-archived
them all.  The problem file archived without any difficulty.
 
Comparing the two archives I noted that both the ST and the Unix ZOO
archives show the same file lengths before and after archiving, but the
ST archive is roughly twice the size of the Unix archive.  There must be
a lot of dead space in it.  Anyone able to shed light on this?
 
The ZOO used on the ST is version 2.01STe, ported to the ST 89/3/30.
--
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
New InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (as of 10 July 1991)
 
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