Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed,  3 Jul 91       Volume 91 : Issue 372
 
Today's Topics:
                         68000 socket adapter
                  Amiga is better then [sic] what???
                  Any software that prints in color?
                            Atari Dealers
                  Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
                         Gnu-emacs under MiNT
                    MINIX on an Atari TT? (2 msgs)
                       MINIX on an Mac Portable
                         Unix Windows, Where?
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 20:40:33 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu
 (Howard Chu)
Subject: 68000 socket adapter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul2.144355.14427@uvm.edu> pegram@kira.UUCP (Robert B. Pegram)
 writes:
>Keep us posted Howard, I at least, am very interested (he said,
>thinking of putting his 1.62 STe in a tower case).  Oh yeah, don't you
>have a tower?  What did you get to keep the FCC off your back?
>thanks,
>
>Bob Pegram
 
Yep, I put a Mega ST into a tower case. All in all, a pretty dissatisfying
experience, not one I'd really recommend. The Mega's floppy drive cable was
too short, and the drivers are too weak to use with a longer cable. I.e.,
you have to also perform one of these drive upgrades that have been floating
around the net if you want to haev things mounted & working right. (I used it
as an excuse to install buffers & such for the high-density mode...)
 
The tower case itself is all aluminum and sheet-metal, I don't think RF noise
is a problem, it's kinda like a tank.
 
Also, it's difficult to find a case with enough space for a Mega motherboard.
(1 foot square.) Most of the available cases are intended for PCs, which are
smaller & rectangular. Maybe it'll work better for 1040-case style changes.
I had to go with a full-size tower case to have room for the motherboard
itself, as well as two hard drives & two floppy drives. (Most cases offer
plenty of drive bays, the problem is they get in the way, taking up space you
need for the motherboard itself.) I also had to bend the cartridge port 90
degrees so I could still access it with the board on its side. (Can't live
without my 4 meg cartridge-port RAMdisk! It refuses to work on my STe...)
 
I've now got a 68030 burning a hole in my desk (not really, but I am getting
impatient to try it out) waiting for my adapter to arrive. I suppose just for
kicks I could plug it into the Mega, but I don't feel like pulling out my
Turbo-16 just to watch TOS 1.4 choke on an '030...
 
The adapter should arrive early next week. So it goes...
--
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
        Disclaimer: How would I know, I just got here!
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 02:24:56 GMT
From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!FredMail@uunet.uu.net (Rod Fulk)
Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 B> > Of course the amiga does multitask but I have very little use for
 B> multitasking..
 B>
 B>   That's what many people say, until they try Amiga multitasking.
I have seen people use the multi tasking.. The main reason for multi tasking is
that on the amiga many programs just have general functions due to the fact
that many other programs can do these functions well. On the ST MOST of the
programs that are out now (Games don't count since most dont multi task even
on the amiga.. I am talking games like falcon etc.. Some you CAN multi task
but you really do not wanna do so unless your running a fast machine)
Anyhow, MOST of the ST programs out now have many ways of getting some of the
important features done in a "multi tasking" environment. On the amiga multi
tasking is very useful for the current software do to generalizatins.. On the
ST this is not the case necissarily.. Multi tasking is of SOME use but not
really that BIG a thing at the moment.. Desk accessories and TSR's running in
the back ground normally pick up the slack on the ST where you would do them
with multi tasking on an amiga. (However I can do SOME multi tasking on the ST
with the power of the amiga's multi tasking with third party software...
But why? It already can do all I need for it to do I do admit though that on
SOME vague occasions I would have appreciated multi tasking..)
Note, I have an 8meg IBM I run my 2 bbs lines off.. Desqview is a necessity in
this environment. Multi tasking is great for this purpose...
 B>
 B> > As to sound? Well The ST is the only one so far that has the capability
 B> of 3d
 B> > sound. The STe series computers have the capability of using 3 seperate
 B> > speakers with different sounds out of each.... 2 of those full 8 bit
 B> digital..
 B>
 B>   How many bits is the other channel?
The STe's stereo ports are each one voice of 8bit DMA sound...
The monitor port (Which can be tied into the two stereo channels or left
seperated from both. If combined then the stereo outputs also output to the
monitor...)
The third port has 3 voices of synthisizer quality (The normal ST's sound)
When not in Digital mode these 3 voices are DMA type sounds.. It taxes the
CPU when doing Digital sound. Digital sound is done much like the C-64.. All
three channels are combined and you only get a 4.5bit sample out of it..
Realize that if left seperated from the stereo ports you have three DIFFERENT
speakers with three different sounds comming out of them..
If you tie a tweety board onto the ST sound chip in the STe you could actually
seperate the 3 channels of ST non-digital sound into three seperate channels..
That would give you a total of 6 speakers all of which would have different
sounds comming from them...
2 Digital Channels (Stereo)
3 Seperate Sythisizer channels (NO digital stuff here.. Would sound like
noise!)
1 combined channel of the above three channels. (You really couldnt do any
digital stuff though cause the 3 seperated channels would sound very bad. B>
 B>   So you're saying the ST can use all 16 Megs for graphics?  I admit I
 B> wasn't
 B> aware of that.  I thought it used a screen buffer.
No screen buffer... An area is setaside for the screen but this is setup
depending on the size of the screen. The STe's have very good scrolling
capabilities. VERY fast.. The standard "limitation" is 4 meg...
I am not sure but over 4 meg you might run into problems.. The TT has 4 meg of
"Chip memory" available (if all is added) unlike the amigas 512-1meg (or 2meg
in the 3000) The rest would be "fast ram"
Waste memory? Anytime you have to load information into memory in two places
would be considered to me to be a waste of memory.. With complicated
animations on the amiga your limited to either 512k or forget about running on
half the machines out there.. Anythign above this would have to be fed down
from fast ram.. The st-ste-tt Is plug and go.. No need to feed anything down..
 
 * Origin: The R.I.P.  (616)235-2313   [HST] (1:228/24)
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 06:55:44 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!wciu!abode!scale@arizona.e
 du (Luis Outumuro)
Subject: Any software that prints in color?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <ug5msbhlya@ads.com> pdel@ADS.COM (Peter Delevoryas) writes:
>My local Atari dealer said he knows of no software with
>output to a color printer such as a citizen GSX140 which
>has a color ribbon.
>
>Is this true, or does anyone know something he doesn't?
>
>thanks for any help,
>
>Peter D.
>
>--
>
> login name:   L1-A
> In real life: Peter Delevoryas
> In any other life: a cheap imitation
 
        Hi Peter,
                I could be wrong, but I believe the Citizen GSX140 is IBM
Proprinter and Epson FX/JX 80 compatible; but you will need to check the
manual for the GSX140.  If the GSX140 is Epson JX80 compatible, you should be
able to use the JX80 drivers in programs like Degas Elite and Deluxe Paint.
Just trying to help, bye...............
 
                                        Luis
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 19:01:25 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!k_mullin@uunet.uu.net (Keith J. Mullins)
Subject: Atari Dealers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        Hello everyone,
 
        Being a new Atari owner, I do not know the locations of
 the Atari dealers in the USA.  Does anyone have a list of places
 where I can purchase Atari software, preferably in New England
 but anywhere in the US is fine.  I'm looking specifically for
 the new 3.02 Neodesk.
        Thanks,
 
k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu
 
--
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
 Keith J. Mullins         k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 06:34:10 GMT
From: tellab5!vpnet!orc@uunet.uu.net (david parsons)
Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
|Elvis?  I've tried Levee too, and would use it except for the 32K file
|limit.  (Is there a more recent version of levee without the 32K
|restriction?)
 
   Nope.  I'm working, at somewhat less than the speed of continental
drift, on it.  It's the sort of thing that requires a lot of mental
energy, and thus is too much for me at my advanced age...
 
david parsons    __
orc@pell.uucp(?)  \/
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 18:56:54 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!lll-
 winken!aunro!alberta!brazeau.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!geog.ubc.ca!peter@ari
 zona.edu (Peter Jackson)
Subject: Gnu-emacs under MiNT
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello,
A while ago I asked whether anyone has been able to compile gnu-emacs
using the MiNT libraries to allow multitasking / multiple shells etc.
while running under MiNT. Since then several others have expressed
strong interest, but there hasn't been any really concrete information
passed along to me. (No one who replied had actually done it)
About the most useful information came from a
post here some time ago (which I saved). I haven't been able to
contact the author of this post however -- maybe someone else could try.
Anyway here it is:
 
>From: erlingh@idt.unit.no (Erling Henanger)
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
>Subject: Re: MiNT/MGR questions
>Message-ID: <1991May5.191701.26757@ugle.unit.no>
>Date: 5 May 91 19:17:01 GMT
>References: <1991May2.094630.15445@cs.nott.ac.uk>
<LA_CARLE.91May3175805@sol.brispoly.ac.uk>
>Sender: news@ugle.unit.no
>Reply-To: erlingh@idt.unit.no
>Organization: IDT -- Norwegian Institute of Technology
>Lines: 16
>
>Hi. I've just been fiddling with gnuemacs and mint08 myself.
>What I basically did, was :
>       1 grab the source from atari.archive
>       2 remove most of the #ifdef atarist
>               (to get multiprocessing and so forth.)
>       3 compile
>It seems to work allright, I can run compile.el, and it starts a
compilation in the background,
>just nicely. I can fork shell commands, I can suspend emacs, it's all
there except one thing :
>I haven't been able to "dumpfix" xemacs, (Make a final dumped emacs) so
I have to use
>temacs -l loadup.el, whitch is no big deal if you have a TT, but on an
ST....
>
>--
>       _______    _____         o           ____       Erling Henanger
>      /___       /____/ /       /   /|  /   /           Norwegian
Institute
>     /          /\     /       /   / | /   |   ___      of Technology.
(NTH)
>    ------     /  \   /____   /   /  |/     \____| o    Atari Lives !
 
I guess before I try it, I'd like to know which #ifdef's need to be
removed. However, I will try this out (eventually). In the meantime,
if somone else has more information, or has tried it themselves, could
they either post here or email me the information and I will summarize,
as there seems to be quite alot of interest.
 
--
======================================================================
Peter L. Jackson               | peter@geog.ubc.ca
Atmospheric Science Programme  | pjackson@unixg.ubc.ca
Department of Geography        | usermeso@ubcmtsg.bitnet
University of British Columbia | ph:(604)822-2269 fax:(604)822-6150
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 20:44:49 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu
 (Howard Chu)
Subject: MINIX on an Atari TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <A0b7wig2@mwowm.mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk writes:
>Has anyone tried running ST MINIX on a TT?  Does it work?  Anyone know of
>any plans for a TT MINIX?
 
A few people had modified theirs to run with 68020s, so I'd imagine half the
work has already been done. Apparently the processor-specific changes are
minimal. The next problem is how to utilize the new TT peripherals and such.
--
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
        Disclaimer: How would I know, I just got here!
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 20:21:10 GMT
From: uhccux!uhunix2.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!amiga@ames.arpa (ftp Amiga Manager)
Subject: MINIX on an Atari TT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul03.064618.11717@actrix.gen.nz> Alex.Valdez@actrix.gen.nz
 (Alex Valdez) writes:
>In article <A0b7wig2@mwowm.mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk writes:
>> Has anyone tried running ST MINIX on a TT?  Does it work?  Anyone know of
>> any plans for a TT MINIX?
>>
>>
>> mathew
>> --
>> << baby  mother  hospital  scissors  creature  judgement  butcher  engineer
 >>
>
>Last I heard, MINIX doesn't work on 68030s, (TT or Amiga 3000).
>--
>================================Alex Valdez=============================
>"Alas sais na naman, oras ng pagdidili-dili...
> Isaisip ang mabuti, ang masama'y iwaksi..."
 
The following was recently posted to the comp.sys.amiga.emulations newsgroup
(don't worry, no flame war stuff!  :-) and may be help:
 
--------------------------------->8 cut here 8<-----------------------------
 
From uhccux!munnari.oz.au!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!sreiz Wed Jul  3
 10:15:04 HST 1991
 
 
Minix is a version of un*x that has been ported to several common
computers; the (IBM-compatible) PC, the Atari ST, the Apple Mac,
and the Commodore Amiga. It is not an emulation but a complete
OS, an alternative to the AmigaOS. It is a commercial product,
published by Prentice Hall, the US price is (I think) $169.
It runs on all amiga models including the a3000, and supports all
Commodore hard disk controllers. The demo version of Amiga Minix
can be found on ftp.cs.vu.nl [130.37.24.6], in /pub/sreiz/minix.
 
Regards,
 
        Steven Reiz
 
The standard minix info sheet follows below.
 
1. WHAT IS MINIX 1.5
     MINIX 1.5 is a new version of an operating system that is very similar to
UNIX.  MINIX has been written from scratch, and therefore does not contain any
AT&T code--not in the kernel, the compiler, the utilities, or the libraries.
For this reason it can be made available with the complete source code
(on diskette).  It runs on the IBM PC, XT, AT, PS/2, 386, and most clones.
Versions are also available for the Atari ST, Macintosh, and Amiga.
 
     This version (1.5) is a major improvement over all previous releases, with
many new features, fewer bugs (hopefully), much better performance, and
proper documentation. The old versions have been in widespread use all over
the world for 3 years.  There are probably tens of thousands of users.
 
 
2. MINIX 1.5 FEATURES (IBM, Macintosh, Atari, and Amiga versions)
  - System call compatible with V7 of the UNIX operating system
  - Full multiprogramming (multiple programs can run at once)
  - Kernighan and Ritchie compatible C compiler
  - Shell that is functionally identical to the Bourne shell
  - Five editors (emacs subset, vi clone, ex, ed, and simple screen editor)
  - Over 175 utilities (cat, cp, ed, grep, kermit, ls, make, sort, etc.)
  - Over 200 library procedures (atoi, fork, malloc, read, stdio, etc.)
  - Spelling checker with 40,000 word English dictionary
  - Full source code (in C) supplied on diskettes (OS, utilities, libraries)
  - Easy-to-read manual telling all about MINIX and how to install and use it
 
 
3. ADDITIONAL FEATURES
     In addition to the above features, there are other features present in
some (but not all) versions of MINIX 1.5.  Some of these are listed below.
 
3.1 ADDITIONAL MINIX 1.5 FEATURES (IBM VERSION):
  - Runs in protected mode on 286 and 386
  - Support for extended memory up to 16M on 286 and 386
  - Up to 3 simultaneous users on one machine
  - RS-232 serial line support with terminal emulation, kermit, zmodem, etc.
  - Distributed computing on Ethernet (remote login, etc.)
 
3.2 ADDITIONAL MINIX 1.5 FEATURES (MACINTOSH VERSION):
  - Up to 3 simultaneous users on one machine
  - RS-232 serial line support with terminal emulation, kermit, zmodem, etc.
  - Runs under Multifinder
  - Includes support for multiple user windows
 
3.3 ADDITIONAL MINIX 1.5 FEATURES (ATARI ST VERSION)
  - Up to 2 simultaneous users on one machine
  - RS-232 serial line support with terminal emulation, kermit, zmodem, etc.
  - Support for various real time clocks (Mega, BMS, ICD, Supra, Weide)
 
 
4. HARDWARE REQUIRED
  - IBM:        PC, XT, AT, PS/2, or 386 that is 100% hardware compatible with
                the IBM line.  A hard disk not technically required, but is
                strongly recommended to take full advantage of the system.  At
                least 512K of RAM is required, as well as a CGA, EGA,
                monochrome, or Hercules video card, or another card that
                emulates one of these.  Both 5.25" and 3.5" diskettes are
                supported, as are printers using the parallel port and modems
                and terminals using the serial port.
 
  - Macintosh:  Apple Macintosh Plus, SE, SE/30, II, IIcx, or IIx with at
                least 1M of RAM.  An additional 1M of RAM and a hard disk
                is strongly recommended.  MINIX has been tested primarily
                with version 6.0 and latter of the Apple system software.
                Problems may conceivably arise with earlier versions. Any
                hard disk or display that is supported by the normal Macintosh
                OS is also supported by MINIX.
 
  - Atari:      Atari ST or Mega ST with at least 1M of RAM.  Although the
                system will boot with only 512K, you will be very restricted
                in what you can do.  A 720K diskette drive is required to
                install the software.  The older 360K diskette drives are
                supported, but are not capable of reading the (720K)
                distribution disks. A hard disk is supported, but is optional.
                Some of the Supra hard disks are not Atari compatible, which
                can cause problems.  A fix is available from the MINIX Centre.
 
  - Amiga:      Commodore Amiga 500, 100, 2000 or 3000 with at least 1M of RAM.
                One 720K diskette drive is sufficient. Hard disks connected to
                a Commodore Hard disk controller (A2090 SCSI, A2091, A590,
                A3000 hd controller) are supported. All processors (68000,
                68010, 68020, 68030) are supported. A MMU is not required.
 
 
5. PARTIAL LIST OF UTILITIES INCLUDED IN MINIX 1.5
  animals ar ascii at atrun backup badblocks banner basename bawk btoa cal cat
  cdiff cgrep chgrp chip chmem chmod chown clr cmp comm compress cp cpdir
  crc cron ctags cut date dd de df dhrystone diff diskcheck dosdir dosread
  doswrite du echo ed elle ex expand expr factor fgrep file find fold fortune
  fsck gather getlf getty grep gres head ic id ifdef indent inodes kill last
  leave ln login look lpr ls m4 machine mail make man mined mkdir mkfs mknod
  modem more mount mref mv nm nroff od passwd paste patch pr prep pretty
  printenv printroot ps pwd readall readfs recover ref rev rm rmdir roff rz
  sed shar size sleep sort spell split strings strip stty su sum sync sz tail
  tar tee term termcap test time touch tr traverse treecmp true tset tsort ttt
  umount unexpand uniq unshar update users uud uue vi vol wc whatsnew whereis
  which who whoami width write
 
 
6. PARTIAL LIST OF LIBRARY FUNCTIONS INCLUDED IN MINIX 1.5
  abort abs access alarm atoi atol bcmp bcopy chmod chown chroot
  ctermid ctime ctype curses cuserid doprintf dup dup2 fgetc fgets fopen
  fork fpathconf fprintf fputc fputs fread freopen fseek fstat ftell
  fwrite getcwd getdents getegid getenv geteuid getgid getutil gtty index
  ioctl isatty kill link lock lrand lsearch lseek malloc memccpy
  memchr memcmp memcpy memmove memset message mkdir mkfifo mknod mktemp
  nlist open opendir pathconf pause peekpoke perror rand read readdir
  regexp regsub rename setbuf setgid setjmp setuid signal sleep sprintf
  stat strerror strlen strncat strncmp strncpy strpbrk strrchr strspn
  system telldir termcap time times tmpnam ttyname umask umount
 
 
7. CONTENTS OF MINIX 1.5 REFERENCE MANUAL
  Chap.  1 INTRODUCTION
  Chap.  2 INSTALLING MINIX ON THE IBM PC, XT, AT, 386, AND PS/2
  Chap.  3 INSTALLING MINIX ON THE ATARI S
  Chap.  4 INSTALLING MINIX ON THE COMMODORE AMIGA
  Chap.  5 INSTALLING MINIX ON THE APPLE MACINTOSH
  Chap.  6 USING MINIX
  Chap.  7 RECOMPILING MINIX
  Chap.  8 MANUAL PAGES
  Chap.  9 EXTENDED MAN PAGES
  Chap. 10 SYSTEM CALLS
  Chap. 11 NETWORKING
  App.   A MINIX SOURCE CODE LISTING
  App.   B CROSS REFERENCE MAP
 
 
8. MINIX BOOK
     The author of MINIX, Andrew S. Tanenbaum, has written a book describing
how operating systems in general and MINIX in particular work internally.
The book describes an earlier version (and includes a source listing), but
it is still useful for understanding how MINIX works inside, even if some
details are now different.  The bibliographic information is:
 
     Title:      Operating Systems: Design and Implementation
     Author:     Andrew S. Tanenbaum
     Publisher:  Prentice-Hall
     ISBN:       0-13-637406-9
 
Paperback versions are also available in English (outside North America only),
French, Spanish, Italian, and Japanese.  The books can be ordered from any
bookstore.
 
 
9. HOW TO ORDER MINIX 1.5
     MINIX 1.5 is being sold by Prentice-Hall.  The product numbers and prices
are as follows:
 
  - MINIX 1.5 for the IBM: 5 1/4"   (0-13-585076-2)  $169
  - MINIX 1.5 for the IBM: 3 1/2"   (0-13-585068-1)  $169
  - MINIX 1.5 for the Amiga         (0-13-585043-6)  $169
  - MINIX 1.5 for the Atari         (0-13-585035-5)  $169
  - MINIX 1.5 for the Macintosh     (0-13-585050-9)  $169 (available Oct. 1)
 
Sales tax and shipping are extra; Prices are slightly higher outside the U.S.
 
All versions include the executable binaries, a detailed manual, the complete
source code (on diskettes), and an attractively typeset, cross-referenced
listing of the operating system code.
 
     P-H is making a big effort to get software stores to keep MINIX in stock.
The easiest way to order it is to go to a software store and ask them for
it.  If they don't stock it, they can always order it.  Alternatively, you
can order directly by email, FAX, phone, or mail from Prentice-Hall as follows.
 
In North America and the Far East
  To order by email:    books@prenhall.com
  To order by FAX:      (201) 767-5625
  To order by phone:    (800) 624-0023  or  (201) 767-5969
  To order by mail:     Microservice Customer Service
                        Simon & Schuster
                        200 Old Tappan Road
                        Old Tappan, NJ 07675
 
 
In UK/Europe
  To order by email:    books@prenhall.com
  To order by FAX:      +1 (201) 767-5625 (US number)
  To order by phone:    +44 (442) 231-555 (UK number)
  To order by mail:     Order Dept.
                        Prentice-Hall International
                        66 Wood Lane End
                        Hemel Hempstead
                        Herts. HP2 4RG ENGLAND
 
 
For email and FAX orders, please include the product name and number, your
name and address, and your MasterCard or VISA card number and expiration date.
If you wish delivery by Federal Express (costs extra), please indicate so.
 
MINIX can also be ordered from the following addresses:
 
In England:     The MINIX Center
                Forncett End
                Norwich
                Norfolk NR16 1HT England
                0953-89345
 
In Germany:     Steve Steinkrauss
                Feldtorweg 24
                D3406 Bovenden 1
                Germany
 
In Scandinavia: Frank O'Donell
                P.O. Box 88
                1371 Asker
                Norway
 
In Spain and    Deborah Worth
   Portugal:    Appartado Numero 50672
                Madrid
                Spain
 
In Italy:       Jim Blaho
                Piazza Santo Spirito 17
                50125 Florence
                Italy
 
In Greece:      Vassilis Zahos
                Kritonos 5-7
                GR 11634 Athens
                Greece
 
In Turkey:      Atilla Gullu
                Milli Mudafaa Cad 14/7
                Kizilay Ankara
                Turkey
 
 
     If you have previously purchased MINIX from Prentice-Hall, you can get
a discount of $60, but only if you order by mail and include the label from
the original PH boot disk (or the entire disk) with your letter.  Not valid for
email, phone or FAX orders since you must enclose the original boot disk label
(not a photocopy).  Mail orders can be by credit card or check for $169.  You
will be billed for tax and shipping.
 
 
10. LEGAL STATUS OF MINIX
     Although MINIX is supplied with the complete source code, it is
copyrighted software.  It is not public domain.  It is also not like GNU.
However, the copyright owner, Prentice-Hall has granted permission to bona
fide universities to copy the software for use in courses and in university
research projects.  It is also permitted for MINIX owners to change the
software to suit their needs and to distribute diff listings containing
their changes freely.  The shrink-wrap license that comes with MINIX states
that you may legally make two backup copies of the software.  Prentice-Hall
is being much less strict than other software vendors.  Please do not abuse
this.  Companies that wish to embed MINIX in commercial systems or sell
MINIX-based products should call (212) 753-7753 to discuss licensing terms.
 
 
11. NEWS ABOUT MINIX
     Since its introduction in January 1987, there has been a large an
active USENET newsgroup about MINIX, comp.os.minix.  It currently has
about 25,000 members.  Over 12,000 messages have been posted to this
group so far.  These messages have contained questions, bug reports,
bug fixes, new software, and diff listings to allow current users to
update to new releases for free.  It is the intention to continue this
policy into the indefinite future.  MINIX users on Bitnet can be put on
a mailing list by sending mail to: info-minix-request@udel.edu.  Various
archives store newsgroup traffic for newcomers to the newsgroup.
 
 
12. FUTURE PLANS
     The major current project is bringing MINIX into conformance with
the IEEE POSIX P1003.1 and P1003.2 standards.  This will (hopefully)
occur with V2.0, perhaps in 1992.  V2.0 will also be provided with an
ANSI C compiler.  Various people are currently working on 32-bit versions
of MINIX for the 386, and numerous other projects.  To keep up, subscribe
to the comp.os.minix newsgroup.
 
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 19:02:37 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!ucsd!ucrmath!hubbell!rhyde@arizona.edu
 (randy hyde)
Subject: MINIX on an Mac Portable
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
A fellow BIX'er has been having troubles getting MacMinix to run on a
Macintosh portable.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  He can't get it to
boot at all.
 
*** Randy Hyde rhyde@ucrmath.ucr.edu
 
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Date: 3 Jul 91 15:35:28 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!apctrc!drd
 !d.cs.okstate.edu!cummins@arizona.edu (John Cummins)
Subject: Unix Windows, Where?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I located uw in a uw directory within one of the volumeXX directories
of atari/binaries/
 
Question:
Not having anything other than lowly user access to a unix box, and not
knowing any particulars about "Ultrix" (our unix box OS) I was wondering about
the Unix side of this uw thing.  What is needed for it to work?  Just
a c compiler?  Some header files perhaps?
 
Thanks!
jc
cummins@d.cs.ostate.edu
 
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