Info-Atari16 Digest         Thu, 12 Sep 91       Volume 91 : Issue 479
 
Today's Topics:
                         ATARI 520ST (2 msgs)
                      Atari Computers for sale.
                Help: MiNT and remote logins. (2 msgs)
                 Looking for term program... (2 msgs)
                     New upload to atari.archive
              Rufus with Matrix M110 possible? (2 msgs)
                     ST Cartridge Port Questions
                        subscription (2 msgs)
                     subscription to Info-Atari16
               tools for manipulating postscript files
                             TT-RAM card
                             TT scsi dma
                   two bugs in PBMPLUS (ST-version)
           WANTED Z80 ASSEMBLER/DISSASSEMBLER FOR Atari st
 
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Date: 11 Sep 91 14:22:55 GMT
From: dg!chan@uunet.uu.net (Allen Chan)
Subject: ATARI 520ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Atari 520ST, Complete system for serious user.
 
Hardware: 1 meg memory, color monitor, dual sided
floppy drive, 30 meg harddrive, MIDI, etc.
 
Langauges: Pascal, Modula-2, LISP, 68K macro assembler.
 
Tools: Unix, multitasking package, communications package,
VT100 emulator.
 
Applications:  Word processor with real time spell checker,
1-2-3 like spreadsheet with write 90, database, CAD program.
 
Books & Manuals:  68K programmer's books, TOS BIOS book, system
manuals, applications manuals.
 
Fun Stuff:  Music program, copy protection breaker, two
draw programs, too many games to mention.
 
works perfectly.  Sell whole system or parts.
$950/bo for whole system or trade for motorcycle  Peabody MA,
leave msg or call after 6pm, Irene (508) 977-9964
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 06:23:04 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq
 .oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison)
Subject: ATARI 520ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1413@dg.dg.com> chan@dg.dg.com (Allen Chan) writes:
 
>Atari 520ST, Complete system for serious user.
 
>Tools: Unix, multitasking package, communications package,
>VT100 emulator.
 
Yeah, I have Unix in a Desk Accessory.  It even runs X-windows, giving a maximum
resolution of 1280x960 in Low res, and 2560x1920 in high res.  It uses special
encoding techniques to cram 200 Megabytes onto a 30 Meg harddrive, and a special
adaptor that allows the ST to be hooked up to a LAN via the printer port, which
Atari so cleverly made bidirectional.
 
In a million years.
Warwick
--
  _-_|\       warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /     *  <-- Computer Science Department,
 \_.-._/      University of Queensland,
      v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 00:13:51 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!pwp%iuvax.cs.indi
 ana.edu@arizona.edu (Paul Purdom)
Subject: Atari Computers for sale.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Let me encourage people posting information about computers for sale
to include a line about their geographic location.
 
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Date: 11 Sep 91 16:45:28 GMT
From: infonode!ingr!b11!jmack@uunet.uu.net (Cery McCormick)
Subject: Help: MiNT and remote logins.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        In response to a previous message of mine, several people
suggested that I try MiNT. After looking at it for a couple of days it
seems like I should stick with it. (Thanks for the responses.)
        What I ultimately would like to do, is be able to remote login
(via modem) to a shell running on the ST.  This would allow me to do
file transfers without messing with setting up my own BBS.  Is there a
quick and dirty way of doing this by redirecting I/O for the shell?
Also, what shells would allow me to do this? Is the MiNT 'kernel'
suitable for this?
        Many thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 08:04:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve
 @arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Help: MiNT and remote logins.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[In article <1991Sep11.164528.1618@b11.ingr.com>,
     jmack@b11.ingr.com (Cery McCormick) writes ... ]
 
 >      What I ultimately would like to do, is be able to remote login
 > (via modem) to a shell running on the ST.  This would allow me to do
 > file transfers without messing with setting up my own BBS.  Is there a
 > quick and dirty way of doing this by redirecting I/O for the shell?
 > Also, what shells would allow me to do this? Is the MiNT 'kernel'
 > suitable for this?
 
There are some problems with doing this the quick and dirty way. What
happens if your modem fails? What happens if some pimple-faced teen-age
zombie hacker gets into your system? These problems aren't hard to solve;
you could write a little login program and a safe shell-around-the-shell
in about 45 minutes. Just be sure to keep an eye on the modem's CD line and
-- if you really want to be safe -- the clock. The remote shell can then
pass commands to a conventional shell via the library system() call. That
way you get the shell's power with a BBS's safety.
 
----
 Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota (USA)
 steve@thelake.mn.org
 Member, Burned Out Newspapercreatures Guild
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 01:24:33 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@uunet.uu.net
 (Warwick Allison)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
techno@lime.in-berlin.de (Techno) writes:
>cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes:
 
>>Uniterm is definitely the best term program for the ST, bar none.
 
>Well, it seems you haven't seen Rufus as yet.
 
Well, it seems you haven't seen Uniterm as yet.
 
Seriously... I tried Rufus, but it bombed out a couple of times, plus I don't
have a blitter, so the display is rather slow (if you still want 80x24).  Does
Rufus support a macro control language anything like that of Uniterm?  When
I login to uni, it is a one button affair (excluding password input).  And it
is a fairly complex login.
 
 
Warwick
--
  _-_|\       warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
 /     *  <-- Computer Science Department,
 \_.-._/      University of Queensland,
      v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 01:32:18 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!spdev!texsun!digi!r
 goseweh@arizona.edu (Roy Gosewehr)
Subject: Looking for term program...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep9.014910.9602@oz.plymouth.edu> oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew
 C. Stoffel) writes:
>
>I bought a copy of it BEFORE I found out about Uniterm. It's an ACC &
>also can act as a sort of mini-BBS. I wasn't too impressed with the
>kermit end & never tried the other. It's kermit wasn't very reliable
>when talking to a Vax. And since Flash could only be a vt52.... I MUCH
>prefer Uniterm.
 
Flash can emulate a VT100 (could for quite some time).  I don't know
about the Antic ACC version of Kermit, but the PD version works GREAT
when talking to a VAX.  (I use it all the time.)
 
Roy C. Gosewehr
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 00:14:32 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!umich!gumby!wmu-coyote!dodgson@
 arizona.edu (Harry Dodgson)
Subject: New upload to atari.archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This is the doc file to a program I just ftp'ed to atari.archive.  I
hope you find it as useful as I do.
 
 
-------------------------------------------
Deluxe Rename program
 
        written by Harry Dodgson with the
        assistance of Mark O'Bryan for some
        of the GEMDOS calls.
        Copyright 1991, Harry Dodgson.
 
        see bottom for distribution notice
-------------------------------------------
 
        I wrote this program to rename groups of files
and to move them from place to place on my hard drive.
I wrote it in True Basic so it is a pretty large binary
program.  There is no sigificant error handling in my
code, but it is robust anyway.  Everything runs from
menu bars and dialogs.  The status window is not
graceful or polished, just usable.
 
        To use it, select the options from the menu bar
to get the file selector box for both the source and
destination directories/names.  I have set it up to
work with both the TOS 1.4 file selector or the LGS
prompt syntax.  There is also a menu option to arrange
the input file characters into a different order than
they started in.
 
        As an example, you can rename a group of files
named:      D:\INCOMING\DIG01TXT.ATA - DIG35TXT.ATA
into        D:\SAVE\DIGEST01.UM - DIGEST35.UM
very easily.
 
        When you choose "Set Old" from the menu bar, you
will get the file selector and can choose the path
specifier and file types, both ? and * being allowed.
The status window will list the files selected.  You can
optionally choose "Set Shuffle" to rearrange the order
of characters.  Then you choose "Set New" to choose the
destination for the files. When you select "Rename" from
the menu bar you are shown the list of files in the
status window and are allowed to cancel the current
operation.  If you choose to continue, then the stus
window will show each file as it is being renamed.
 
        If you don't type in anything for the filenames
in the source file selector, it will assume you want the
entire directory contents.  If you don't select a
shuffle pattern it will leave the characters in the same
order they started in.  If you leave the destination
filename blank, it will assume that you don't want to
force any characters into the destination filename.
 
        To perform the example, you would select the
directory D:\INCOMING and use DIG??TXT.ATA as the source
specifier.  Then set shuffle as 12300045.000 .  Lastly
set the destination specifier for D:\SAVE and DIGEST*.UM
.  Notice that I use 0s as place holders for don't care
entries in the shuffle specifier.  The program will
properly expand and compress the filenames so that there
are not any invalid characters embedded in the filename.
It also doesn't really matter what order you set things
in.  You can choose destination, shuffle, source if you
wish.
 
--------------------------------------------------------
        This is a shareware program.  If you like it,
send me what you think it is worth (say $5.00).  If you
don't like it, send email to dodgson@coyote.cs.wmich.edu
with constructive criticism so I can improve it.
 
        Harry Dodgson
        2355 s. 9th St
        Kalamazoo MI
            49009-9405
--------------------------------------------------------
--
Harry Dodgson Jr.           | Internet  dodgson@coyote.cs.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University |                   -( 141.218.40.40 )-
Computer Science Department | Voice     (616) 387-5803
Kalamazoo, MI  49008        | Office    4038 Friedmann Hall
 
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Date: 11 Sep 91 20:34:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!nadia!fearn@arizona.edu (Cabell Fearn)
Subject: Rufus with Matrix M110 possible?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Is it possible to use the Rufus terminal program with the Matrix M110
screen. All I get is a Address error when I run rufus.prg? My software
for the Matrix screen is version 2.0 and I am using the normal GDOS on
my TOS 1.2 Mega ST.
 
Thanks
 
Cabell
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 08:19:48 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nic.funet.fi!lahtinen@uunet.uu.net (Kimmo
 Lahtinen)
Subject: Rufus with Matrix M110 possible?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am using Rufus with Matrix C32 and it works nice (I have version 1.06
of Rufus but also 1.02 worked). Rufus is quite clean program.
 
By the way I have in contact with the author and hes just preparing
version 1.1 of Rufus. I will have really working VT100 emulation.
And other nice things, so it is about a time to register.
 
His email address is
Michael_Bernards@mausbox.MAUS.DE
--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 
Kimmo Lahtinen                      E-Mail : lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi or
Finnish Meteorological Institute             kimmo@field.fi
                                    Phone  : +358 0 758 1322
Possessed by a Spirit               G3 Fax : +358 0 758 1396
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 13:26:00 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!trantor.harris-atd.com!trantor!apolivka@arizona.edu (polivka al 60047)
Subject: ST Cartridge Port Questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Can anyone answer some or all of the following questions with respect
to the Atari ST Cartridge Port:
 
 1. How fast can the ROM data be accessed via the Cart. Port?
    (i.e. how many addresses per second [maximum] can it sequence through)?
 
 2. How much current can the computer supply via the two +5 VDC pins?
    (pins 1 and 2)?
    (how much current per pin, or are they tied together?)
 
 3. What type of load are the address pins capable of driving?
    (e.g. TTL, CMOS, etc)?
 
 4. What is the function of the "Upper Data Strobe" and "Lower Data
    Strobe" pins?
    How do they relate (if at all) to the "ROM Select 3" and "ROM
    Select 4" pins?
    (i.e. are they for selecting ROMs 1 and 2 in a bank of up to 4 ROMs?)
 
If you can supply the answers to _any_ of the above questions, please
do so, either via posting or via e-mail (preferably e-mail).
 
Thanks,
Al
--
 
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Al Polivka                       Internet: apolivka@x102a.ess.harris.com
Harris Corporation                   UUCP: uunet!x102a!apolivka
Electronic Systems Sector           phone: 407-729-2983
Melbourne, FL 32902
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 91 08:43:52 EDT
From: Martin Hajek <HAJEK%CSPGAS11@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: subscription
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 91 08:43:52 EDT
From: Martin Hajek <HAJEK%CSPGAS11@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: subscription
To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 91 12:50:01 MET DST
From: v892127@si.hhs.nl (Lai)
Subject: subscription to Info-Atari16
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello,
 
Is it possible to subscribe me to a kind of mailing-list for all the mails
on this mailgroup ?
 
Greetings,
 
C.W. Lai
 
E-mail : v892127@si.hhs.nl
 
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Date: 12 Sep 91 11:53:19 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!gmdzi!gmd.de@uunet.uu.net (Jelske Kloppenburg)
Subject: tools for manipulating postscript files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep10.170334@geog.ubc.ca> peter@geog.ubc.ca (Peter
Jackson) writes:
> Hello, does anyone know of any tools available which can be used to
> manipulate postscript figures? What I need to be able to do is
> read postscript plots and drawings created by a number of other
> packages, and to move and delete objects, combine images, scale
> and resize images, and anotate images with text (including greek
> symbols) and drawing.
> The program would have to be able to do this without losing
> resolution and would need to output another (encapsulated) postscript
> file which could subsequently be printed.
>
> Something which can run on an Atari ST would be great, but if
> anyone knows of anything which can do this on other platforms
> (PC, Sun sparcstation, SGI, Mac) it would be useful to me as well.
>
> I have tried packages on the sparcstation (Island Draw, Xfig and
others),
> but they all had difficulty correctly reading complex postscript
> plots.
>
> If I am emailed responses, I would be pleased to post a summary.
> Thanks.
> --
>
======================================================================
> Peter L. Jackson               | peter@geog.ubc.ca
> Atmospheric Science/Geography  | usermeso@ubcmtsg.bitnet
> University of British Columbia | ph:(604)822-2269 fax:(604)822-6150
 
--
 
Most of all that is possible with a NeXT Station and (perhaps) Adobe
Illustrator.
 
  Jelske Kloppenburg +49 2241 14-2433 <Kloppenburg@gmd.de>
  German National Research Center for Computer Science (GMD)
 
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Date: 11 Sep 91 11:51:16 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!ugle
 .unit.no!lise.unit.no!stigvi@arizona.edu (Stig Vidar Hovland)
Subject: TT-RAM card
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Are there anyone out there which have any technical information
aboat the TT-ram card sold by GE-Soft in germany.
 
Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no
 
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Date: 11 Sep 91 20:34:24 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!prle!prles2!cst6!meulenbr@uunet.uu.net (Frans
 Meulenbroeks)
Subject: TT scsi dma
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
 
according to the TT docs the xbios calls dmaread and dmawrite do not
use dma to transfer scsi data, but handshakes them across the bus.
Does someone know why this is?
Somehow now dmaread seems a silly name to me....
--
Frans Meulenbroeks        (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl)
        Philips Research Laboratories
 
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Date: 11 Sep 91 22:08:54 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!p
 acific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!m2c!risky.ecs.umass.edu!dime!michael
 @arizona.edu (Michael Kieras)
Subject: two bugs in PBMPLUS (ST-version)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep06.210253.11861@convex.com> rosenkra@convex.com (William
 Rosenkranz) writes:
>In article <1991Sep5.141215.23888@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
 lsmichae@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Lars Michael) writes:
 
>you might try adding a "-o output_file" rather than using stdout.
>make sure you open this "wb" in the ppmtogif code.
>most shells cannot/do not make stdout binary mode.
>
>>      - patch all ppmto***.ttp. Seek for the above error message.
>
>if you manage this, consider an upload to atari.archive.
>
>-bill
>rosenkra@convex.com
 
Recently I used the original sources to the pbmplus package and rebuilt
them with gcc 1.40 on the ST.  There is a flag in pbmplus.h (if memory
serves) that specifies whether the different pbm programs create binary
files, as the ones currently on the umich archive do, or whether they
create files with textual representation of the data.  Since I had the
same problem with the versions on atari umich that you had, I built the
programs with the flag set to create numeric text data.
 
These programs worked, but using textual data files has a couple of
(minorly) undesirable effects.  First, depending on the resolution of
the images you're working with, the data files can become monstrously
huge.  For example, a 640 x 400 color ppm image took up about 2.3M on
my hard drive.  Also, the larger file size, in combination with the fact
that the programs have to translate between binary and alphanumeric
representations also make processing slower.
 
There are a couple of reasons that I have not posted the versions I built.
First, and foremost, I am not sure which programs actually work.  Pbmplus
is a large package that supports many image formats, most of which I
really couldn't care less about, and I don't have the time or inclination
to test and maintain them.  At least one program that I built does not
work correctly (either qrttoppm or ppmquant; maybe ppmtogif, but I doubt
it as I giftoppm'ed an image, and then converted it back and that worked).
 
The other reason is that the pbmplus sources I have don't include any of
the spectrum file processors (ppmtospc, ppmtospu, spctoppm, sputoppm),
and I want to include at least the spu converters, so I'm going to have
to use the ppm library functions to write them myself.  Again, limited
time comes into play here.
 
The only reason I really want the package for is its qrt converter, and
until I can get qrt itself correctly ported, I won't be working much on
pbmplus.  (As an aside, qrt is really beginning to bug me; I've gotten
it to correctly build on every other platform I've tried EXCEPT the ST.
I finally found a version that someone ported on the Codehead BBS, but
it was apparently written in Laser C, and it blows my Micro RTX kernel
into tiny smithereenies.  ARGH!  As far as I'm concerned, if I can't
background something that takes that long to run, it's useless.
However, if others are interested, I will post the Laser C port to
umich.).
 
If you've made it through this much of my loquacity, let me just say that
aside from the makefiles, everything else in the pbmplus package pretty
much built as-is with gcc, so if someone with a greater interest in the
variety of formats wants to support it, it PROBABLY only requires minor
fixes here and there; the trick is finding the trouble spots (if indeed
the programs actually do not work).
 
Comments and questions are welcomed.
 
 
Michael Kieras
michael@cs.umass.edu
 
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Date: 10 Sep 91 14:30:38 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!goanna!min
 yos.xx.rmit.oz.au!t821431@arizona.edu (Richard Clarkson)
Subject: WANTED Z80 ASSEMBLER/DISSASSEMBLER FOR Atari st
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am chasing a Z80 assembler dissassemble for the Z80 that will run on
the atari environment!
 
Has anyone else found this program that does this and does it exist?
 
I have a projuect comming up which involes alot of Z80 coding /decoding
and all i have is the atari 1040 st?
 
 
Any help of suggestionns greatly appreciated
 
Richard Clarkson    t821431@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
 
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