Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 22 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue 288
 
Today's Topics:
                                4 sale
                 ATARI Computer and Monitor for Sale
                           BB's On Internet
                                 BBS
                            CAD 3D Problem
                        Cant access ftp sites
               Cant access ftp sites - typing errors !!
               favorite-dealer list, no flames please.
                       favorite dealers wanted
                             karate game
                 Looking for screen capture (2 msgs)
                         Mac fonts to gem...
                              Publishers
                           Publishers (II)
                    ST user/discussion group in UK
                          TT memory question
                        Uniterm Woes (2 msgs)
                       Upload to Atari Archive
                         WANTED: Atari 1040ST
 
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Date: 22 May 91 06:27:30 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc
 .edu!pikes!mercury.cair.du.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!ykidron@arizo
 na.edu (Yaron kidron)
Subject: 4 sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
A complete Atari ST system for sale:
 
An upgraded 520 ST ( 1 meg ), Tos 1.0 in Rom ( 20/11/85 )
1 Double Sided, 1 Single Sided drives,
PS3000 color monitor ( same as sc1224, with built in drive ),
SM124 mono monitor,
MegaFile 30 ( 6 months old ) Hard disk,
A new mouse ( 280 dpi ),
Tons of software, either pd or original commercials.
 
$1500 or best offer.
 
Note: The owner lives in Israel, shipping not included. All hardware and
      software are in EXCELLENT condition, HD brand new.
 
If interested please email to:
 
   s2886663@t2.technion.ac.il
   ( Yaron Kidron ).
 
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Date: 21 May 91 22:35:15 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!lll-winken!taco!eos.ncsu.edu!smisra@arizona.edu (SAURABH MISRA)
Subject: ATARI Computer and Monitor for Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am upgrading to a PC, so I no longer need the following stuff
 
ATARI 520ST original computer, with no internal drive
TOS in ROMS.  Also available is TOS on diskette.  Includes
external single sided drive.  Works perfectly.  Includes
basic software to get you started, like word processor, terminal
program and stuff.
 
Price:  Please Make Offer
 
 
ATARI SC1224 Color Monitor.  Has perfect picture and in very good
condition.  No sound.
 
Price:  Please Make Offer
 
 
Also available is a power supply for an ATARI external disk drive
 
All items WILL be sold.
 
Thanks
 
Saurabh
 
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Date: Wed, 22 May 91   1:02 GMT
From: "Searching......Seek and Destroy!"
 <LB7%VAXB.YORK.AC.UK@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject: BB's On Internet
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        Does anyone know of any bulliten boards on INTERNET that allow a guest
or anonymous login. I'd be most grateful indeed if anyone could tell me of some.
 
Thanks in advance,
                  Lee. (LB7@UK.AC.YORK.VAXA).
 
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Date: 21 May 91 21:22:52 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: BBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
To: bigd@dorsai.com (David Shapiro)
 
BBS Name:       ABK-BBS (Atari)
Owner's Name:   Lars-Erik 0sterud (sponsored by Atari Norway)
Sysop's Name:   Lars-Erik 0sterud (the '0' should be ASCII $B2)
Phone Number:   +47 2 13 26 59
Modem Type:     Nokia 4896M Trellis
Modem Speed:    1200, 2400 and 9600 V.32, MNP5
Location:       Oslo, Norway
System Config:  Atari 1040 STM, SF314, 20 MB SH205 HD
BBS Software:   MiniBBS (Public Domain self-made)
Emulation:      VT100, VT52 or TTY (no emulation)
Special func:   New mail can be ARCed and downloaded
                Xmodem, Ymodem and Zmodem transfers
                On-Line view/type from ARC/LHARC
Focus:          Atari ST, Programming, MIDI, DTP
                Home for Norway's Atari developers
                Home for ST-Klubben (disk-magazin)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Lars-Erik  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /   ____ ______ ________________________
  Osterud  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /   /___    /            The norwegian ST
__________/ ______________________/   ____/   /   Klubben,  user association
 
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Date: 21 May 91 16:01:43 GMT
From: tellab5!chinet!saj@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Jacobs)
Subject: CAD 3D Problem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May20.175831.29112@pinet.aip.org> rdf@pinet.aip.org (Robert
 Feinman) writes:
>I am having a problem with CAD 3d version 2. I recently purchased a second
>hard drive. In order to get GEM to see it I must run something call INSTAL
>from Berkeley Microsystems in my Auto folder. I am booting using Atari
>AHDI 3.01.
 
Is there something unusual about the hard drive?  The usual situation is that
one simply runs AHDI and any number of ACSI-SCSI drives are recognized.  I've
run 2 hard drives off a BMS-200 that way (along with a cartridge tape).  It
is just imaginable that you're installing 2 conflicting hard disk drivers.
Have you called BMS with this problem?  They tend to be very helpful.
                                   Steve     saj@chinet.chi.il.us
 
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Date: 21 May 91 12:28:08 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!ul.ie!9020675@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Cant access ftp sites
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
  I want to get some of the software (PD) that is floating around the net.
I can get to the archive sites so if anyone has the software could they mail
me with a list of what they have......
 
   I own an atari 520 stfm.
 
       Any info would be appreciated...
 
Alan Weadick
 
*******************************************************************************
*   Alan Weadick                  *                                           *
*     University Of Limerick      *    To err is human, to really screw       *
*       Ireland.                  *                                           *
*                                 *    things up you need a computer.         *
*   E. Mail.  9020675@ul.ie       *                                           *
*******************************************************************************
 
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Date: 21 May 91 12:29:42 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!ul.ie!9020675@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Cant access ftp sites - typing errors !!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <17457.28391258@ul.ie>, 9020675@ul.ie writes:
> Hi,
>   I want to get some of the software (PD) that is floating around the net.
> I can get to the archive sites so if anyone has the software could they mail
      ~~
    Oops - typing error, I meant to say I cant access ftp sites...
> me with a list of what they have......
>
>    I own an atari 520 stfm.
>
>        Any info would be appreciated...
>
> Alan Weadick
>
>
 *******************************************************************************
> *   Alan Weadick                  *
 *
> *     University Of Limerick      *    To err is human, to really screw
 *
> *       Ireland.                  *
 *
> *                                 *    things up you need a computer.
 *
> *   E. Mail.  9020675@ul.ie       *
 *
>
 *******************************************************************************
>
 
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Date: 22 May 91 04:36:36 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!netnews.up
 enn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!zeibari@arizona.edu
Subject: favorite-dealer list, no flames please.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi again,
        FLAME-PROOF PAJAMAS ON!
        Before anybody gets ticked off and is ready to flame me
        about my idea of creating a favorite-dealers list,
        I just want to say that the reason I want to compile
        such a list is to help people, like myself, get the
        best possible price for a product. That's all, no
        gimicks, no strings, just a list to help users without
        local dealers such as myself get ST soft/hardware.
 
        Thanks for your patience.
 
yours truly at 8Mhz, Greg.
****************************************************************
578Greg Zeibari
email: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu
school: Temple University
work:   University of Pennsylvania
disclaimer: If it's going to happen, it will happen on my shift.
****************************************************************
 
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Date: 22 May 91 03:48:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!ds
 inc!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!zeibari@arizona.edu
Subject: favorite dealers wanted
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello again Netland,
 
        I would like to compile a list of Mail-Order houses and dealers
        that support the ST with software and/or hardware.
        Please email me your favorite suppliers name, phone #, and
        what they sell (i.e. software/hardware). Dealers and Mail-Order
        places reading this should mail me also. I don't want to list
        products, just company names so that we can all reference some
        sort of list. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR INFORMATION IS ACCURATE!!!
        I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO VERIFY WHAT YOU MAIL ME. All I am going
        to do is compile the list. In about 2 weeks when I think I've
        got enough companies listed, I will post it to this group.
 
        This means you! Get your favorite dealers name and number out
        and mail it to me.
 
        Thanks for your time and I hope this will be useful for others
        too!!!
 
****************************************************************
Greg Zeibari
email: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu
school: Temple University
work:   University of Pennsylvania
disclaimer: If it's going to happen, it will happen on my shift.
****************************************************************
 
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Date: 22 May 91 03:34:43 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed
 u!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!zeibari@arizona.edu
Subject: karate game
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi Netland,
        I am interested in purchasing a karate game
        for the ST.  Please email me your choices
        and why you like the game.
 
Thanks in advance for your opinions!
 
Greg.
email: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu
"If it's going to happen, it will happen on my shift!"
 
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Date: 21 May 91 22:04:41 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!
 sics.se!fuug!funic!nntp.hut.fi!saha.hut.fi!s37837k@arizona.edu (Jari Lehto)
Subject: Looking for screen capture
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I need badly a screen capture/snapshot, which is able to capture the
dropdowns and "About.." items too.
This kind of screen capture is propably activated by a key-combination.
 
It would be nice if there is a chanse to choose the format of the file
it creates and the size of the image captured too...
 
Where? What is it's name? PD/SW preferred...
 
 
* Jari Lehto     *     90-387939      * Jari.Lehto@hut.fi     * Music, love & *
* Tenavatie 19 A *     90-382887      * jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi * friendship!   *
* 00760 HELSINKI *    94040/02887     * jartsu@otax.hut.fi    * Garlic, beer &*
* Finland        * fax +358 0 8735916 * s37837k@saha.hut.fi   * sausage!      *
 
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Date: 22 May 91 06:37:46 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucselx!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ari
 zona.edu (Ed Krimen)
Subject: Looking for screen capture
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991May21.220441.5269@nntp.hut.fi> s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto)
 writes:
>
>I need badly a screen capture/snapshot, which is able to capture the
>dropdowns and "About.." items too.
>This kind of screen capture is propably activated by a key-combination.
>
>It would be nice if there is a chanse to choose the format of the file
>it creates and the size of the image captured too...
>
>Where? What is it's name? PD/SW preferred...
 
Check out SNAP30.ARC.  I think it's at atari.archive.
 
--
   |||   Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu]
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261
         ONE WEEK UNTIL GRADUATION!!
 
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Date: 21 May 91 12:36:37 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!glasgow!wilsona@uunet.uu.net (Alan Wilson)
Subject: Mac fonts to gem...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Mac fonts are in a totally different format from gem fonts. On the macintosh,
they are installed in the system file using a program called 'Font D/A Mover'.
(Font D/A Mover files have a little suitcase icon). All macintosh programs
can use these font 'resources' in the system file, and the fonts are loaded
into memory automatically when requested. All macintosh files consist of two
parts, the 'data fork' and the 'resource fork'. The data fork contains all of
the data associated with the file, and the resource fork all of its resources.
In the case of a program, all of the programs code is in the resource fork, and
 its initialised data in the data fork. The resource fork also contains the
dialog box templates, window definitions etc. In the case of a document, it is
most likely that the resource fork will be empty, and the data (e.g. text) will
 be in the data fork. Mac fonts can be converted to gem format using the program
'mac2gem' which is supplied with 'Fontkit Plus' from the ST club. (20 quid and
well worth it...) Mac fonts are available from quite a few archive servers and
also from PD disc suppliers. Using the above program is simplicity itself,
 however if you wish screen and printer fonts, then you will have to edit them
 yourself from the screen versions (on the mac, there is no difference between
 screen
and printer fonts, unless a laser printer is being used which will contain
higher res versions of the screen fonts) - this is the main purpose of
Fontkit.
 
N.B. The ST Clubs address is:
 
  49 Stoney Street
  Nottingham
  U.K.
 
(20 quid is 20 pounds sterling - I didn't notice that you from the US.)
 
###############################################################################
#  /\        / Alan   # USEnet :  wilsona!glasgow!mcsun!...                   #
# /__\  /\  /  Wilson # ARPAnet:  wilsona@cs.glasgow.ac.uk                    #
#/    \/  \/   1991.  # USA    :  wilsona%cs.glasgow.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk #
###############################################################################
 
 
--
 
 
###############################################################################
#  /\        / Alan   # USEnet :  wilsona!glasgow!mcsun!...                   #
 
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Date: 22 May 91 01:58:33 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-se
 rver.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura)
Subject: Publishers
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <5172@syma.sussex.ac.uk> grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham S Thomas)
 writes:
>From article <1991May16.140706.26180@menudo.uh.edu>, by uace0@menudo.uh.edu
 (Michael B. Vederman):
>>
>> If anyone wants to keep tabs or follow the creative forces that were once
>> Antic software, then buy AutoDesk software.  Many of the Atari greats from
>> Antic work there (Tom Hudson, Jim Kent, Gary Yost, etc...)
>>
>> - mike
>
>Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know anything about AutoDesk software.
>Assuming AutoDesk is a company, what do they produce?  (If it's a
>product, what is it?)
>
     Autodesk is, as far as I know, the biggest seller of CAD products
in the computer industry.  At least they have the largest number
of unit sales.  They dominate the MS-DOS world.  Their products
include AutoCAD, and now the Generic CAD line as well.  Of course,
if you *really* want to be on the cutting edge and the "top stuff"
in the industry, it's not really AutoCAD at all.  The top stuff
is all running on Silicon Graphics Iris Workstations.  That's what
the car manufacturers use (companies like GM, Volvo, I think Mercedes-Benz,
Honda too), Braun, and of course the major part of the 3D animation
production as well.  But that's digressing. . . .
 
 
 
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
 
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Date: 22 May 91 02:14:21 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-serv
 er.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura)
Subject: Publishers (II)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
     Ok.  So now we know that STart may be gone from the North America
scene, and what's left is pretty much just a couple of "fanzine"
things.  We'll hope that this improves. . . .
 
     Can someone in Great Britain please clarify what's going on
across the great puddle?  I guess the first question I have is
what is exactly the situation with "ST World"?  Are they really
trying for a come-back?  I thought the whole thing was sold to
"ST User"?  If so, will they be accepting submissions for publication?
Is there a mailing address?
 
     I always thought of "ST Format" as a games magazine, but I
bought the May '91 issue and it has coverage of desktop publishing
and the monthly disk has a bunch of programming utilities (admittedly
nothing new).  That looks promising.
 
     What's "ST User" been like lately?  I haven't even seen it
around for about a half a year now, so I'm wary about sending anything
to them.
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
 
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Date: Wed, 22 May 91   9:21 GMT
From: MPPU2%CLUSTER.SUSSEX.AC.UK@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: ST user/discussion group in UK
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  There is now a new ST discussion group in the U.K. .
  If anybody, from any country, is interested then don't
hesitate in contacting:
 
Lee Bohan               LB7@UK.AC.YORK.VAXA
 
 He will give you more information.
 
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Date: 21 May 91 18:35:34 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucselx!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.ed
 u (Ed Krimen)
Subject: TT memory question
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Basically, how is the RAM in the TT configured?
 
From reading reports in STart (R.I.P.:~) and Atari Explorer, I get the
impression that both ST- and TT-RAM are banks of DIPs (correct term?),
with the TT-RAM requiring a daughterboard.  Moreover, Atari does not
sell this daughterboard separately.  So the only way to get TT-RAM is
if the machine is shipped with at least 2megs of TT-RAM from the factory,
and then, I suppose, more TT-RAM can be plugged in later.
 
About a month ago on Freenet, someone said that a dealer told him that
the TTs were being shipped with SIMMs for both ST- and TT-RAM and that
no daughterboard was necessary.
 
Which is the correct story here?  As much as I'd like to believe the
latter, the former sounds more plausible, at least because it was
reported in a magazine ("but don't believe everything you read" :~).
 
Can someone who has actually opened their production model TT or someone
from Atari who is clear of the situation, please comment?  Thanks.
 
 
--
   |||   Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu]
   |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
  / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261
         ONE WEEK UNTIL GRADUATION!!
 
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Date: 22 May 91 02:55:01 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!rouge!anon@arizona.edu
 (Anonymous NNTP Posting)
Subject: Uniterm Woes
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
getting the program to run.  I'm trying to run in Medium Rez but all I keep
getting is TOS ERROR #35.  I've tried running without any DA's or AUTO files
but I still get the error.  I can't find out what the this error means throug
any available literature (YET!). Any EMAIL that could help would be
 appreciated.h
 
Jim Lynch -- jlynch@usl.edu --- University of Southwestern Louisiana
 
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Date: 22 May 91 04:36:59 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@arizona.edu
 (Harry Karayiannis)
Subject: Uniterm Woes
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <31505@rouge.usl.edu> anon@rouge.usl.edu (Anonymous NNTP Posting)
 writes:
>getting the program to run.  I'm trying to run in Medium Rez but all I keep
>getting is TOS ERROR #35.  I've tried running without any DA's or AUTO files
>but I still get the error.  I can't find out what the this error means throug
>any available literature (YET!). Any EMAIL that could help would be
 appreciated.h
>
>Jim Lynch -- jlynch@usl.edu --- University of Southwestern Louisiana
 
 
        I think TOS error #35 means that the file is corrupted. You should
obtain a new copy of the program. At least, that's what I do when I get this
error.
 
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Date: 22 May 91 02:42:57 GMT
From: tar (Tim Roeder)
Subject: Upload to Atari Archive
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Greetings!
 
I have just uploaded the latest version of my GEM-based text file
viewing utility program to the atari/new directory at Atari Archive.
 
I hope some of you find this useful.
 
Regards,
 
--
Timothy A. Roeder                            Fidonet:  Timothy Roeder 1:300/24
3551 S. San Joaquin Rd.                      Internet: tar@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Tucson, AZ  85746                                      troeder@mis.arizona.edu
(602) 578-9115                                         root%esummer@datalog.COM
 
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Date: 22 May 91 02:30:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana
 .edu!ogicse!plains!pilch%plains.NoDak.edu@arizona.edu (Jay Pilch)
Subject: WANTED: Atari 1040ST
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I would like to buy a Atari 1040ST...  If you have one for sale, please let me
know.  Also would like to know if a Commodore 1084S would hook up to a Stari
1040ST (thats Atari not Stari)...  Thanks in advance...
 
Jay Pilch
pilch@plains.nodak.edu
($300 sound good?)
 
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