Info-Atari16 Digest         Sat, 21 Sep 91       Volume 91 : Issue 494
 
Today's Topics:
                   .au <=> .snd conversions -- How?
              Any Panasonic 1123/1124 Owners Out There?
                                 ARJ?
                        Atari->put in AT case
               Atari SC212 modem: yea or nay? (2 msgs)
                              dump files
                      GEM/MC trouble... (2 msgs)
                     Heat & Serve MiNT? (2 msgs)
                Is there an Eiffel system for the ST?
      Looking for 1stWord+ to Mac (WORD,RTF,MACWRITE) converter
           Multi personal computer platform disk standards
                            Music - Atari
                  Question about SST board from GBS
                       Rumours from ST Format.
                   SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?
                           TOS 2.05 loader?
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 18:43:17 GMT
From:
 europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!udel!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!dmb@uunet.
 uu.net (David M. Baggett)
Subject: .au <=> .snd conversions -- How?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep19.134849.3777@Eyring.COM> bcc@Eyring.COM (Brian Cooper)
 writes:
>I now have a Sun-4 workstation to use, with a built in audio capability.  Does
>anyone know how my .snd files (remac/replay format) can be converted to play
>on the Sun-4 (.au format).
 
You don't want to convert sounds this way if at all possible.  Converting
from uLaw to .snd usually yields very bad samples.  It's much more
productive to go the other route:  sample on an Atari or Mac and then
convert to .au format.  In either case, you can find conversion
programs on atari.arhive:
 
        atari/sound/convert/st2sparc.doc        .snd -> .au (source)
        atari/sound/players/digistuf.arc        .au->.snd (and other stuff)
 
Dave Baggett
dmb@wam.umd.edu
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 16:57:15 GMT
From: @decwrl.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Any Panasonic 1123/1124 Owners Out There?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Keywords:printers
Summary:Will it do screen dumps?
 
I'm interested in getting a 24 pin dot matrix printer to use with my STs, and
am very interested in the Panasonic 1123.  There are no local Atari dealers
(what else is new) and the ones I called on the phone were unsure if the 1223
can do screen dumps, as it is Epson LQ compatible, rather than Epson LX (9 pin)
compatible.  I'm not worried about my programs that have printer drivers, as
they all have drivers for the LQ series, but I have some children's software
that does graphic screen dumps to let my kids print out their pictures, and I'm
not about to have TWO printers in the house.
 
So what I wanna know is...if anybody has an 1123, 1124 or 1124i, can you do
screen dumps to it?
 
                                        Brian Rost @rgb.dec.com
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 23:25:57 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-st
 ate.edu!linac!convex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: ARJ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
[ sorry if this appears twice. my phone line died while i was responding]
 
In article <3067@atari.UUCP> kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes:
>Pity, that.  I'd dearly love to have ARJ.
>And a word to whoever's doing the port:
>  PLEASE do an integrated GEM version!  The bewildering array of
>swiches on the DOS version of ARJ is enough to make me tear my
>hair out every time I try to use it!  Geez, it's powerful, but
>geez, it's also REALLY confusing!
 
And a word to whoever's doing the port:
  PLEASE do NOT do an integrated GEM version!!!! if you want GEM,
write a shell around it a la argshl (whatever). those of us using
cli's will just alias common commands to a single keystroke if we
want (eg alias a1 'arj -llkfwe./scmsijclwenrlweiajdmfdmfilwe' :-)
 
and please try and keep it faithful to the original, refrain from
making well meaning (but incompatible) improvements. we don't want
another lharc fiasco.
 
Personally, i love bewildering arrays of switches...:-)
 
-bill
rosenkra@convex.com
--
Bill Rosenkranz            |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com
 
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Date: 20 Sep 91 02:27:08 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!dinsmm@arizona.edu (Michael John
 Dinsmore)
Subject: Atari->put in AT case
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        I read an article earlier, caught the tail end of it, by a person
who said that s/he was putting the Atari ST into an AT case.  I am wondering
if anyone else has tried this and what the results were and what you need to
do for this to work.  I would also like to do this but am unsure where to
begin, so any help would be appreciated.  Please post messages or maybe even
e-mail them directly to me if no-one else wants to hear about it.  Thank you.
 
 
              _
   /\/\       |\           "You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge."
  /    \ike   |/insmore                                         - Neil Peart
     dinsmm@rpi.edu
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 17:01:18 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.
 umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!news.stolaf.edu!news!carlsonb@arizona.edu (Bradley Carlson)
Subject: Atari SC212 modem: yea or nay?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm looking at a mail-order ad for a 1200bps Atari modem, #SC212 (the
picture shows a #SX212, though) for $25.  Does anybody know if this
modem has a standard DB25 port (e.g., RS232 serial)?  Any comments as
to its quality are appreciated.
-carlsonb@acc.stolaf.edu
--
 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you are." -from 'Repo Man'
PAPER-NET:c/o St.Olaf ACC, 1500 St.Olaf, Northfield MN 55057-1001, USA
APPLIANCE-NET: USA 507.663.3096  *REAL*-NET: carlsonb@acc.stolaf.edu
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 19:17:10 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.o
 hio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rlcollins@arizona.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Subject: Atari SC212 modem: yea or nay?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <CARLSONB.91Sep19110118@grendel2.acc.stolaf.edu>,
 carlsonb@grendel2.acc.stolaf.edu (Bradley Carlson) writes:
> I'm looking at a mail-order ad for a 1200bps Atari modem, #SC212 (the
> picture shows a #SX212, though) for $25.  Does anybody know if this
> modem has a standard DB25 port (e.g., RS232 serial)?  Any comments as
> to its quality are appreciated.
 
I've had one for almost 3 years now, and except for the internal speaker
never working. (And me not getting around to get it worked on). It has
never given me any trouble. I've used it with my old 800XL, my ST, and
am currently using it with an Apple IIgs at work. (It has both a DB25
port and a SIO port for use with the old 8-bits.)
 
Too bad its not 2400 baud though...
 
p.s. It also looks a lot like the box to control the SLM805 laser
printer, and the XEP80 80 column adapter for the old 8-bits. Atari must
really like reusing the same cases for different projects. The card
reader for the portfolio for use with PC's looks just like my XM301
modem from my XL!)
 
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Ryan 'Gozar' Collins      Question for MAC Users:      rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET
   ||||   Power Without    What IS the format of a     rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET
  / || \  The Price!!       MAC HFS floppy disk?       R.COLLINS1 on GEnie
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Date: 19 Sep 91 18:07:09 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!fis
 cher-michael@arizona.edu (Michael Fischer)
Subject: dump files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <LAHTINEN.91Sep19094758@gideon.gideon.fmi.fi>
 lahtinen@gideon.gideon.fmi.fi (Kimmo Lahtinen) writes:
>
>I am looking for a programs that lets you see (in hex and ascii) a file
>and perhaps also edit it.
 
Try "xxed11.arc" on atari.archive.umich.edu.
--
==================================================
| Michael Fischer <fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu>  |
==================================================
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 17:49:31 GMT
From: aahs.no!data3d@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Karl Anders 0ygard)
Subject: GEM/MC trouble...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've been trying to write an small accessory which involves some form
handling. I'll have to admit this is my first approach to GEM with
machinecode, so anything could be wrong.
 
Anyway, the action goes something like this:
 
Growbox
Form is drawn
The user interacts
Form is closed
Shrinkbox
 
And this is where the fun starts. Now the windows behind the box is supposed
to be redrawn. They aren't. Instead they are redrawn when I put the _next_
form on the screen. Wiping out my new form.
 
The fact that removing the grow/shrinkbox effect makes the problem even
larger doesn't help very much.
 
Has anyone experienced something like it?
 
Karl Anders Oygard - Karl A Oygard <data3d@aahs.no>
 
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Date: 20 Sep 91 02:19:32 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!rose.waterloo.edu!cjherborth
 @arizona.edu (Chris Herborth)
Subject: GEM/MC trouble...
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <"856*.S=data3d.O=aahs.PRMD=uninett.ADMD=..C=no."@MHS> data3d@aahs.no
 (Karl Anders 0ygard) writes:
}Anyway, the action goes something like this:
}
}Growbox
}Form is drawn
}The user interacts
}Form is closed
}Shrinkbox
}
}And this is where the fun starts. Now the windows behind the box is supposed
}to be redrawn. They aren't. Instead they are redrawn when I put the _next_
}form on the screen. Wiping out my new form.
}
Before you draw the Growbox, you should have a:
 
form_dial( FMD_START, 0,0,0,0, dial_x, dial_y, dial_w, dial_h );
 
to lock that portion of the screen.  Do a form_dial( FMD_FINISH, etc... )
when you're done.  That'll convince GEM to redraw.
 
If this still doesn't work, do an :
 
evnt_mesag() so GEM has time to let the WM_REDRAW message get to all of the
open windows.  Then open your next form.
 
Hope that helps...
 
---------------=============================================---------------
Chris Herborth                                 cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu
3B Hons English RPW                           cjherborth@lotus.waterloo.edu
 Disclaimer: This is your brain: "*"  This is your brain on USENET: "."...
 
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Date: 20 Sep 91 02:22:48 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.e
 du!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!rose.waterloo.edu!cjherborth@arizona.edu (Chris
 Herborth)
Subject: Heat & Serve MiNT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep19.180525.7964@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
 schultzd@silver.egr.msu.edu (The Samurai) writes:
}I'm thinking of getting an STe soon (ie. as soon as a poor college
}student can scrape up $300).  Does MINT definitely work on a STe?
}
I think MiNT will work on anything that isn't a TT...  Unless you can get
the version of MiNT that Alan Pratt at atari is using, or you wait for the
next version (Eric told me that it might be done in about a month)...
 
---------------=============================================---------------
Chris Herborth                                 cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu
3B Hons English RPW                           cjherborth@lotus.waterloo.edu
 Disclaimer: This is your brain: "*"  This is your brain on USENET: "."...
 
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Date: 20 Sep 91 03:27:05 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!news-server.ecf!ge
 neric.physics.utoronto.ca!julian!julian.uwo.ca!ersmith@arizona.edu (Eric Smith)
Subject: Heat & Serve MiNT?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep20.022248.4126@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
 cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu (Chris Herborth) writes:
>In article <1991Sep19.180525.7964@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
 schultzd@silver.egr.msu.edu (The Samurai) writes:
>}I'm thinking of getting an STe soon (ie. as soon as a poor college
>}student can scrape up $300).  Does MINT definitely work on a STe?
>}
>I think MiNT will work on anything that isn't a TT...
 
And also on the TT.
 
MiNT works on the ST, STe, TT, and Mega STe. Some minor contortions
are necessary for the latter two (i.e. MiNT has to be started from the
desktop instead of from an AUTO folder); these contortions will be
done away with in the next version (0.9) of MiNT.
--
Eric R. Smith   ersmith@julian.uwo.ca   eric.smith@uwo.ca
 
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Date: 20 Sep 91 17:12:36 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!namu01.gwdg.de!p
 ressler@arizona.edu (Lutz Pressler)
Subject: Is there an Eiffel system for the ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
 
does anyone know if there is an Eiffel developement system under TOS?
It should run with 2.5 MB of RAM and preferably be Freeware/Shareware.
Is there anything like that, or Eiffel for TOS at all, available?
 
Please post or reply vai e-mail; I'll post a summary (if there is anything
to summarize...)
 
Lutz.
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 11:44:44 GMT
From: mcsun!cernvax!chx400!bernina!zeller@uunet.uu.net (Lukas Zeller)
Subject: Looking for 1stWord+ to Mac (WORD,RTF,MACWRITE) converter
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm looking for a program, either running on a Mac or Atari ST, that
converts 1st Word plus documents into a text format for the Mac, i.e.
MS-WORD, MAC-WRITE, WriteNow, DCA/RFT or RTF.
Thanks for any pointers!
 
 
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      Lukas Zeller          |\         E-Mail:         /|  * Never trust a *
 ETH Zurich, Switzerland    | \_______________________/ |  *   computer    *
  (SFIT, Swiss Federal      |  /  zeller@ethz.UUCP   \  |  *  bigger than  *
 Institute of Technology)   | / ..chx400!ethz!zeller  \ |  * you  can lift *
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Date: 19 Sep 91 22:21:05 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia
 .edu!connection!jerry@arizona.edu (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Multi personal computer platform disk standards
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
ripley@cs.tu-berlin.de (Hans-Ch. Eckert) writes:
>
>  The DOS (and OS/2) ports of GNU "tar" can read Sun (and other UNIX)
>  floppies just fine.
>That's the point behind tar -- having an all-compatible format.
>
 
Obviously, but I wasn't talking about the file format.  What this example was
meant to show was that the two systems use the same low-level sector format
and recording method.  I know for a fact that the Mac uses a different one.
 
>
>                               RIPLEY
>
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Date: 19 Sep 91 14:47:25 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gv
 lf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Thomas Darling)
Subject: Music - Atari
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
bmaraldo@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:
 
>       I run CLAB Creator/Notator on my Atari.  If it wasn't for Creator/
> Notator (and of course Calamus) I would not own an Atari.
 
Same here.  When it came time to move on from my QX1 hardware sequencer, I
spent months shopping for sequencing software.  Creator won it, no contest, so
I had to get it.  And I was QUITE relieved to find that the computer it runs
on was the cheapest variety I had seen.  (Bought a Mega 2 ST)
 
> As far as I am concerned, and I have experience with many sequencers on
> many systems, Creator/Notator is the best all round sequencer/notator
> package there is and it's only for the Atari (same for Calamus in the DTP
> world).
 
I agree.  That's why I put up with C-Lab's release schedule bullshit.  They
never know when the next version's coming out, but that's typical of the Atari
world.  So I've got no real gripes.
 
~
darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing
uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT
v
 
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Date: 20 Sep 91 18:49:15 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacif
 ic.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rlcollins@arizona.edu (Ryan 'Gozar'
 Collins)
Subject: Question about SST board from GBS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <3314@cod.NOSC.MIL>, healy@cod.NOSC.MIL (Mike Healy) writes:
> Does anyone know if the SST will fit into a 1040stf?  A friend of mine has
> a 25 MHz 68030 just looking for a good home.  It wouldn't be 40 MHz,  but
> I imagine a little bit faster than my 8 MHz 68000.
 
I heard it will if you move the ST to a larger case. The SST board is
too big to fit in the original case.
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ryan 'Gozar' Collins      Question for MAC Users:      rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET
   ||||   Power Without    What IS the format of a     rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET
  / || \  The Price!!       MAC HFS floppy disk?       R.COLLINS1 on GEnie
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Date: 19 Sep 91 15:05:27 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1rse@uunet.uu.net (Dave Johnson)
Subject: Rumours from ST Format.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
     Having just read the 6 interesting pages in ST Format (some had to I
suppose), The rumour mill had the following:
 
        TT To Get Multitasking OS by Next Year.
 
     The story also went on to say that HD floppies would be included as
standard and that the multitasking OS would be avaible as an upgrade for older
TT owners.
 
Has any one else heard this from a different source.
 
Dave J.
 
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Date: 20 Sep 91 00:20:33 GMT
From: waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@decwrl.dec.com (Roger
 Sheppard)
Subject: SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Sep17.163007.26794@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
 cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu (Chris Herborth) writes:
> In article <1991Sep16.005329.3341@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
 ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
> }I've got access to 1 meg worth of memory pulled from a MacSE
> }(I believe it is in the form of 256K simms).  I was wondering
> }if it is possible to use this memory in a 520ST? If so, what
> }would I do to install it, and how much total memory would it
> }give me?
> }--Gerry
> }ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
>
> If your 520 has only 512k, you'd be able to install two of them as bank 1,
> and have 1M of RAM.  The other two 256k SIMMs would be able to sit around
> gathering dust (or you could sell them to another 520 user)...
>
> It's much better to get 1M SIMMs.  You can then easily (well, if, unlike
> myself, you know how to wire them in properly) pump your ST up to 4M, unless
> you're unlucky enough to have an old (1985) 1040 STf, like I do.  For some
> reason, my MMU won't take more than 512k in bank 0, so 2.5M is as high
> as I can go.  This same thing is true of my friend's ST (1985, 1040STf),
> so I suspect it's true of all 1985 1040's...  As far as I know, old 520s
> are fine though.
>
> Does anyone know how I could get around this?  Install a newer MMU?  Have
> you done it?  :-)  I'd really like to go to 4M one of these days...
 
I don't think the older ST that are causing the Problem, the problem
MMU's where fitted to the later machines and have this Part No. C0 100109-001
 
So it could be a good idea to check over the wiring etc, and did you
fit the anty ring resistor ?, in the extra address line.
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 19 Sep 91 17:48:53 GMT
From: aahs.no!data3d@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Karl Anders 0ygard)
Subject: TOS 2.05 loader?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Since I posted my last message about the tos 2.05 loader/booter, I've been
getting lots of response, some positive, some negative. Some even claimed
that the program was illegal, which it most certainly isn't.
 
The program was written in an attempt to load the tos 2.05 from a disk in
a fashion similar to the many tos loaders that appear with every new tos
release. This _has_ happened a few times, so it cannot have gone completely
unnoticed by.
 
The program can be very useful when trying out new patches, enhancements
etc. The ability to load and run TOS 2.05 is merely a bieffect, and I won't
be held responsible for any abuse of this program.
 
Does anyone care to comment whether I should upload the program to atari-
archive, or let it lie in rest on my harddisk?
 
Karl Anders Oygard - Karl A Oygard <data3d@aahs.no>
 
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