Info-Atari16 Digest         Sun, 21 Apr 91       Volume 91 : Issue 223
 
Today's Topics:
                        Atari Portfolio users!
                          AUTOGEM-AUTOBOOTER
                             BBS Programs
                         Counted Cross-stitch
                            CSB questions
                     DM1: Extra room ?? (2 msgs)
                    Good database software wanted.
                       Jean-Michel Jarre Demos
               Looking for a good spreadsheet program!
                               Next TOS
                            PD C compiler?
                      ST term prg and Vax Xmodem
                System requirement for Whattahe demo?
                          tech-specialities
                        Televidio 925 emulator
                               Turbo C
                      VaX Xmodem and ST programs
                Wanted:  Phone # for MWC Support line
                      Zoo won't extract folders
 
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Date: 21 Apr 91 04:21:00 GMT
From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Atari Portfolio users!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I know this is an Atari ST Board but I don't think there is a board
specifically for the Portfolio on Usenet.
 
Well, anyways, if you are a Portfolio usr, please leave me e-mail, I'd like
to talk to you about some thing.
 
Thank you
 
 
--
 
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 07:30:00 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu
 !utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!masnet!rose!jim.devonshire@arizona.edu (JIM DEVONSHIRE)
Subject: AUTOGEM-AUTOBOOTER
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
  I've been trying to get Autogem to operate for me.
 
  I've run the BOOTMAKER.PRG and told it which program to load and
the screen text which appears tells me it was successful in creating
the bootable file. I then copied the AUTOBOOT.PRG into my Auto folder
and rebooted my ST (TOS Ver.1.2). The screen text which appears tells me
that AUTOGEM is auto starting my specified program and then I am promptly
returned to the GEM desktop? My program, which is in the root directory,
does not load.
 
  I have only one other program in my auto folder (LGSELECT) which loads
before Autogem.
 
  Anyone have any suggestions? (other than the obvious)
 
Regards: Jim Devonshire, Erin, Ontario, Canada
---
 
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 12:14:44 GMT
From: bobsbox!graphics!bobl@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm)
Subject: BBS Programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
greg@hoss.unl.edu (Lig Lury Jr.) writes:
 
> There are several choices though for the Apple // series.  Proline gets
> lots of raves it seems.  GBBS "Pro" is nice, and you're not restricted to
> using AppleSoft BASIC.  (It's nice to get away from line numbers once in
> awhile.)  Its language (ACOS) is similar to BASIC, but is more structured.
 
You don't have to use the line numbers in BASIC when you edit your
Proline source.  You can pickup MD-BASIC which gives you alot of the
power and comfort of a C compiler but it is actually a BASIC to
Applesoft translater.  MD-Basic allows you to write your programs in
a text editor and then compile them into plain-jane Applesoft.  You
can setup defines and includes in your source as well as call in libs
and such.  It's the ONLY way to program for Applesoft.  Also, you can
use a program like Program Writer which is basically a word-processor
for BASIC programs.  Either way, it's simple, easy and powerful.
 
MD-Basic also comes with a decompiler so you can take plain BASIC
programs and decompile them into MD-Basic source with labels and
word-variables etc, etc.
 
-- Bob
 
 The Graphics BBS  908/469-0049  "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!"
 ============================================================================
  InterNet: bobl@graphics.rent.com                | Raven Enterprises
      UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!graphics!bobl      | 25 Raven Avenue
    BitNet: bobl%graphics.rent.com@pucc           | Piscataway, NJ 08854
    Home #: 908/560-7353                          | 908/271-8878
 
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Date: 21 Apr 91 02:15:33 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp
 .vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!marcamd!mercury!kcbbs!kc@arizona.edu (Murray
 Moffatt)
Subject: Counted Cross-stitch
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm looking for a cross-stitch prog for the ST.  If anybody can help
please send email to:  MURRAY_MOFFATT@PR1MEA.Prime.COM
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 13:02:39 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ri
 cks@arizona.edu (Rick Silverstein)
Subject: CSB questions
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
3 CSB questions:
 
1.  Where is the Topaz key?
 
2.  How do you get to the large area on level 4 marked Dain?
 
3.  On the west side of level 3 are 3 doors one right after the other
    with no locks.  You come to these right after you open the door with
    the gold key.  How do you get through these?
 
Thanks!
Rick
 
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Date: 18 Apr 91 19:35:24 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagb
 ard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!johnu@arizona.edu (John E Upham)
Subject: DM1: Extra room ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Dear all (especially Stuart),
                            I've completed DM1 on the Atari and am
repeating it on the Amiga. This lets you hear monsters and track them
directionally whereas the Atari doesn't. Because of this I found a
room I didn't on the Atari exploration. I heard the sound of a flying
snake/wasp on level 5 but couldn't see it so I went to where it was
loudest and switched on X-ray vision and lo and behold a new room
not shown on my `mjs' map complete with snake and a chest. despite
seeing in I couldnt get in so how....??
 
We are on level 5 which has the `treasure store' place with four doors
in it. OK ?
 
Right, coming from the long corridor with four alternate water fountains
take the corridro leading to the treasure store and go up there, turn
right and then left, past another fountain, take one step further, look
left switch on x-ray vision and there we are.
 
No doubt I am the last person in the world to have found this room but
how do i get in ? and matched the level 4 map and I cant see a way down
from above and from below from level 6 come to that so help please.
 
PS practising on level 4 and casting potions even though i dont
need to had given me experts all round more or less and i havent even
started level 9. This is to get mega characters for DM2: Chaos Strikes
Back.
 
Best wishes,
 
          john
 
 
              John Upham, (Chemical Physics Ph.D)
              University of Sussex, Brighton, UK.
              Email: kapn1%cluster.susx.ac.uk@uk.ac (BITnet)
                     kapn1@uk.ac.susx.cluster       (Janet)
                     johnu%syma.susx.ac.uk@uk.ac    (BITnet)
                     johnu@uk.ac.susx.syma          (Janet)
              Tel:   +44 273 680500 (eve)
              Tel:   +44 273 678332 (day)
 
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Date: 21 Apr 91 00:52:22 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_R
 etelle@arizona.edu
Subject: DM1: Extra room ??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
John Upham asked about a hidden room on Level 5 in Dungeon Master..
 
Try "knocking" on the walls to see if you can really believe your eyes..
 
BobR
 
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Date: 18 Apr 91 20:46:11 GMT
From: hpda!hpcuhb!hpindda!goo@hplabs.hp.com (Michael Goo)
Subject: Good database software wanted.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
>/ hpindda:comp.sys.atari.st / shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu / 11:07 am  Apr 15, 1991
 /
>> |> Some time ago, somebody said a database program sold by Regent Software or
>> |> something was very similar to SQL and was relatively cheap, could anyone
>> |> let me know the name and address of the software company?
>
>Apparently, (and unfortunately), I think Regent Software went out of ST
>business.  BUT, apparently, a dedicated user of their materials, has
>taken it over.
 
Does anybody know who this dedicated user is.  Regent Base can still be found
(my local dealer has a copy), but is it still being actively distributed?
 
I upgraded to version 1.1 a long time ago.  At that time Regent Software was
starting to hype up Regent Base II.  RBII was supposed to add a lot of features
like full SQL compatibility.  I didn't order it at the time, because I didn't
have a need.  If it is still available, I might consider picking it up.
 
>The other problem was speed.
 
I seem to recall that one of the services offered by Regent Software was
the compilation of RB applications into .prg form.  This would probably help
with the speed problem.  Then again, I could be mistaken about the whole thing.
(Maybe it was a run-only module)  Anyway, maybe the new support guy has the
compiler (if it exists) and can distribute it.
 
On a related note, has anyone tried out Timework's new Data Manager
Professional?  Any thoughts you'd care to share?
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 12:21:24 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ukma!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbar
 d!sunic!mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!ma9mgg@arizona.edu (M G Gidley)
Subject: Jean-Michel Jarre Demos
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Does anyone reading this know the address of anyone who has written any
Jean-Michel Jarre demos ? If so, could you please e-mail me with their
addresses (and name ?)
 
We publish a Jean-Michel Jarre magazine and are trying to contact such
people with a view to getting together some sort of 'demo disc'.
 
We publish the glossy magazine every 3 months and it contains ALL the
latest news, exclusive interviews, reviews and official photos (c/o Polygram)
and the latest issue has just been published (plug, plug!)
E-mail me with your postal address for more details.
 
ma9mgg@uk.ac.bath.gdt
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 17:46:16 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!sun-barr!olivea!mintaka!bloom-beacon!er
 u!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!keele!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!elmar@arizona.edu (Mohammad
 A. Rahin)
Subject: Looking for a good spreadsheet program!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Keywords:
 
In article <1991Apr19.011406.7050@dragon.wpd.sgi.com> close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com
 (Diane Barlow Close) writes:
>I need a good, but preferably not complicated, spreadsheet program.  I
>currently use A-calc Prime and I'm finding it's no longer flexible enough
>to handle bookkeeping entries for my business and tax forms.  I'd like a
>more powerful program, yet I'm trying to stay with something ``mousey'' and
>easy to use.  Would LDW Power fit this description or is there something
>better for me out there?
>
 
What about OPUS? Version 2.2 (or is it 2.1 ?) is availabale at
atari.archive.umich.edu in diretory atari/appications. It is very much usable
(full GEM WIMP support) with excellent charting facility. If you register with
the author (D.Harrison) he will send you V2.3 which supports full Lotus 123
file compability & it is by comparison extremely cheap.
 
>Also, does anyone produce a program similar to the PC's Turbo Tax for the
>ST?  Or any income tax software for the ST?  Even pre-made spreadsheets
>would be nice.  Suggestions anyone?
 
Can't help you on this.
 
>--
>Diane Barlow Close
>       close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com
>       I'm at lunch today.  :-)        Free Canada -- Trade Mulroney
 
-Rahin
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 15:03:13 GMT
From: atha!lsuc!jimomura@decwrl.dec.com (Jim Omura|Barrister Jimomura
 Solicitor|Toronto)
Subject: Next TOS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
     If Atari is listening, I'd like to suggest that for the next
version of TOS that they get rid of the "8.3" file name format
restriction and move to "free form 12 character" names.  This should
maintain sufficient compatibility with MS-DOS disks because people
who want to maintain this compatibility will simply use file names
with this restriction, but it should allow those of us who are
more Unix (and OS-9) oriented to bridge over on the application
level more easily.  Even Unix and OS-9 software that looks for
final extension generally look for the last dot character, so that's
not a serious problem, and those which work on prefixes will finally
become practical.
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 13:15:39 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fa
 uern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!lsmichae@arizona.edu (Lars Michael)
Subject: PD C compiler?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
samsung!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa400@PWS.BULL.COM (Marc A. Lombardo) writes:
 
 
>Is there a public domain/shareware C editor/complier available for the ST? If
>possible, I would like to get it via FTP through the atari.archive.  Also, is
>there a pd assembler for the ST? (I would like to have a dissassebler too..)
>
> [ ... Stuff deleted]
 
At atari.archive you can get Sozobon C or even better I
think GNU C. Both are PD or Shareware, but some PD-game
sources are yes fine to compile with GNU C. Both have
assembler, both have a 'make', both are shell versions,
both have a -O (optimize) option. But GNU C has an ANSI C
option.
 
As an editor you may use the vi or the GNU emacs.
 
Hope this helps
 
 
                                                                Lars
 
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
|     lsmichae@faui43.uni-erlangen.de    |    | | |                         |
|             Lars Michael               |    | | |   "Down with ATARI,     |
|  Graduate Student of Computer Science  |   /  |  \  Long live the ST !"   |
|    at University of Erlangen/Germany   |  /   |   \                       |
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------|
|  "May the Schwartz be with you!"                                          |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 
 
---
 
                                                                Lars
 
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
|     lsmichae@faui43.uni-erlangen.de    |    | | |                         |
|             Lars Michael               |    | | |   "Down with ATARI,     |
|  Graduate Student of Computer Science  |   /  |  \  Long live the ST !"   |
|    at University of Erlangen/Germany   |  /   |   \                       |
+----------------------------------------+----------------------------------|
|  "May the Schwartz be with you!"                                          |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 13:53:58 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!je
 tson.uh.edu!st113@arizona.edu
Subject: ST term prg and Vax Xmodem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Greets to all on this newsgroup.
 
I have been reading this for about a day to find
the answer to my question, but it just isn't here.
So, here it is...
 
Is there a good terminal program that supports
Xmodem and Kermit and has good VT100, VT320, or
VT420 terminal emulation?  If you are aware of
such an animal please send me E-mail as I do not
read this news much at all.
 
Also Many of you have previously posted about
Xmodem for the Vax.  If you are interested in
getting this utility send me E-mail and I will
see about getting it to you.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
*************************************************
*      After two days of rain comes Monday      *
*                                               *
*    Dennis Gray, Jr.   st113@jetson.uh.edu     *
*                       st11w@menudo.uh.edu     *
*                       dennis@nuchat.sccsi.com *
*************************************************
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 21:48:51 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgat
 e.utah.edu!csn!ccncsu!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: System requirement for Whattahe demo?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 Hello There:
 Can some one tell me what is needed to run Whattahe demo? I tried both high
 and medium resolution with my 4096STE and get 4 bombs in both case. Does that
 mean it only run on ST?
 Also the TCB demo file require some odd format to reload, where is that prog.?
 Thanks
 Tang
 sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 22:49:40 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso
 .uiuc.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!raycole@arizona.edu (Ray L
 Cole)
Subject: tech-specialities
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am in the market for a hard drive and just got a catalog from tech-
specialities in Houston Tx and was wondering if anyone has had any experience
with them.  I'm not really interested in buying a complete system from them,
but am interested in buying a host adaptor and they are the only ones i've
seen recently that are advertising them.  Also, I know this has been asked
before, but does anyone have any recommendations on which host adaptor to get?
I'm looking at the ICD, but mainly becuase i had good luck with them when i had
my 8-bit.  All responses are welcome
 
Ray Cole                    raycole@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Computer Consultant
Kansas State University
Manhattan KS
 
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Date: 21 Apr 91 05:26:22 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!emory!ogicse!milton!meyer@arizona
 .edu (Bent Meyer)
Subject: Televidio 925 emulator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have a 520ST with a 1 mg upgrade + an 30 meg hard drive.  I want to find a
televideo emulator.  I want to write code on a Xenix system.  I don't want to
tamper with the termcap since the company we bought the system from will not
support the software if we mess around with it.  Does an emulator exist for
the ST?
 
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Date: 20 Apr 91 07:14:05 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!cs.um
 n.edu!msi.umn.edu!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!horga!agsc!veeble!fiction!Danie
 l_Roedding@arizona.edu
Subject: Turbo C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Mick_Schmidt@hb.maus.de (Mick Schmidt) writes:
 
> The rumors which are going around here in Germany say, that Borland is going
 to
> stop the distribution of Turbo C/ST and give the rights back to the Developer
> Team. It seems that they plan to make up their own company and carry on
 working
> on that C-Compiler which won't be named Turbo C anymore (guess why ;-)).
> So far it seems quite sure, because even people from the Borland Turbo C Team
> said something like that.
 
> Who's going to do the distribution and if there will be an English Version
> then, who knows???
 
Many parts of the Turbo C system were written by a company named
"SoftDesign" in Munich. Their address can be found in some external
programs and the assembler.
 
BTW: Does anyone have experimented with the redirection vectors in the
MAS.TTP program? At the beginning of the program you find a "patch area"
where the integrated TC version writes down some vectors to input/output
functions for window i/o and access to loaded files etc. The result is that
the same MAS.TTP program is able to output both on a standard TOS screen
or in a window of the TC desktop.
 
Daniel
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 04:05:25 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!je
 tson.uh.edu!st113@arizona.edu
Subject: VaX Xmodem and ST programs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Apr17.173251.10130@ecst.csuchico.edu>, ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu
 (Ed Krimen) writes:
> Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@f744.n250.z1.FidoNet.Org (Shervin Shahrebani
>  Of 250/744) writes:
>
> - I just purchased an Atari Mega STE 1 without a hard disk for $925
> - Canadian from a dealer here in Toronto.
>
> Congratulations.  I assuming that the machine has the host adapter
> already installed.  Is this correct?
>
> - HRAMDISK and some demos are the only programs that have not run on
> - it so far.  TCB Cuddly Demo was one of them (very much a surprise
> - to me).
>
> The TCB Cuddly Demo doesn't work on the STe either, unfortunately.
>
>
> --
>          Ed Krimen  ...............................................
>    |||   Video Production Major, California State University, Chico
>    |||   INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu  FREENET: al661
>   / | \  SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261        FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
 
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Date: 21 Apr 91 07:07:54 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu@arizona.edu (Sean
 Sterling Foiles)
Subject: Wanted:  Phone # for MWC Support line
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1400001@hpgnd.grenoble.hp.com> laurent@hpgnd.grenoble.hp.com
 (Laurent JULLIARD) writes:
>My understanding is that the Mark Williams Company is now closed !
>
>So I can hardly imagine you find any support line.
>
>Best regards,
>Laurent JULLIARD
>(laurent@hpgnzeus.grenoble.hp.com)
 
You are, unfortunately, quite correct.  I did speak to a representative
that basically knew 2 things.
 
        1. He was on a phone.
 
        and,
 
        2. It was a nice phone.
 
Other than that, v 3.0.5 was the last and final product released for
MWC.
 
Mark Williams Company, however, is not dead - only the support for
the Atari.
 
||  Sean  Sterling  Foiles                                    ||
||  sean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                                   ||
||  Comp Sci Grad of Univ of Texas                            ||
 
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Date: 19 Apr 91 08:36:10 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!rmacgreg@ar
 izona.edu (Sorcerer)
Subject: Zoo won't extract folders
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <91107.154606JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett)
 writes:
>
>    The only thing I can get zoo to do is -extract.  I cannot get it to use
>any of the expert commands... it just gives me that bad command screen.
>    Is there something that I am missing?  I try e, -e, along with the
>/ to get it to extract to folders, but still the only command that ever
>works is -extract, nothing else seems to.
>
>       Any ideas out there?
>
 
Try doubling up the '/' symbol so you would do:
   zoo e// <zoofile> file <file file...>
 
 
       The Sorcerer is 'Only visiting this planet' but can be found at:
 
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                    rmacgreg@uk.ac.strathclyde.computer-science
  INTERNET: via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    BITNET: via ukacrl    UUCP: via ukc.uucp
 
          or second star to the right and straight on 'till morning.
 
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