Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed,  4 Dec 91       Volume 91 : Issue 637
 
Today's Topics:
                      Atari's Cartridge port???
                       Atari Hardware for sale
                       Atari ST DEAD ? (2 msgs)
                       Atari ST games for sale
                       BEST phone number WANTED
                      Calling all Radio Stations
                        Dungeon Master - help
               Flow Chart Compiler, Anyone Interested??
                               gnuemacs
                        HELP: Mouse is flaky.
                     Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #549
                       Microsoft mice (mouse?)
                           overscan on GCR?
                         PC Ditto II For Sale
                Problems with (NOT FSM, but AMC-)GDos.
                               ST book
                             TeX shells?
                          TT prices (4 msgs)
                      Where can I get FSM-GDos?
 
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Date: 5 Dec 91 02:40:52 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!darwin.ntu.edu.au!topfm@ames.arpa
Subject: Atari's Cartridge port???
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Can any-one help me with this.
 
Looking at the cartridge port of the ST i can find 16 data connections
but only 15 addresses.
 
I want to be able to both read and write to the cartridge port. Also I can
find no reference to the speed of the cartridge port.
 
Rob.
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 16:25:58 GMT
From:
 agate!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!jupiter!morgan
 .ucs.mun.ca!garfield!carlos@ames.arpa (Carlos Borges)
Subject: Atari Hardware for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
FOR SALE
--- ----
1)      Atari 1040STE  computer system  $400.00
                2.5 Megs of Ram, 4096 colour palette, stereo sound
                internal 3.5" floppy drive, MIDI ports, mouse,
                TOS 1.6, etc.
2)      Atari SC1224 Colour Monitor  $250.00
3)      Atari SM124 Monochrome Monitor $150.00
 
1, 2, and 3 (as a package), $700.00 + S/H + COD (if applicable).
 
I will only sell the monitors seperately if I sell the computer first.
I'm open to lower offers, etc.
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  // C. Miguel Borges               A.K.A.                Carlos M. Borges //
 // an630@cleveland.freenet.edu                 carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca //
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Date: 4 Dec 91 20:31:38 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.u
 iowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!engr.uark.edu!uafhp.uark.edu!lwebb@arizona.edu (Lonnie
 Webb)
Subject: Atari ST DEAD ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
mpnolan@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
 
>In article <1991Dec3.071358.3354@milton.u.washington.edu>,
 tlk@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeremy C. Norberg) writes:
>> In article <1991Dec3.141309.163706@dstos3.dsto.oz.au> rws@dstos3.dsto.oz.au
 writes:
>>>
>>>..and you can plug a cheap 640*400 mono monitor into the standard box and use
>>>it for workable DTP.  (look, no flicker.)
>>>
>>>Russell.
>>
>> Aye, this is true, BUT if the ST had interlace mode, I have a feeling that
>> you would be one that would brag about your 'computer' being able to display
>> high res on a low res monitor!
>>
>> I suppose you do feel most at home on a monochrome ST.  Hey!  That's only TWO
>> colors LESS than your lame medium resolution is able to display!
>
>This is not atari.st.flame!!!!!!
>
>I cant understand why people write in to our newsgroup just to
>tell us that our computers are crap!!
>The guy doesn't even own a ST!!
>
>Does anybody find this stuff interesting?
>
>I like my ST, and made the chioce to buy one 2 years ago.
>I dont want some dolt to tell me that his computer has better graphics,
>better sound or more custom chips. This newsgroup is for atari owners
>where they  discuss and swap ideas and rumours, not where
>they have to put up with some kid tring to 'get one up' on us, so he
>can tell his mates, and have a laugh at the flame he causes!
>
>I'm sure atari users would take constructive critisim from people
>who know what they're talking about, or own an ST, not some
>guy from a different group of computer users who blurts on
>about how great his is, and how bad and old mine is.
>
>Thats all I have to say on this subject.
>I'm sure it will happen again.
>
>Children must have their fun.....
>
>                     .____________________________________.
 
Hear, hear!
 
I get a lot off 'that other computer' but it's always from people that have
NEVER achieved anything interesting as computerists or programmers.
 
I program both machines, and I'm a lot happier going home to my old ST(1985).
Do you know any models of 'the other computer' worth keeping that long?
I know I don't do it for PITY!
 
Lonnie Webb
 
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Date: 5 Dec 91 15:56:25 GMT
From:
 munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!fang!dstos3.dsto.oz
 .au!rws@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Atari ST DEAD ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Dec3.071358.3354@milton.u.washington.edu>,
 tlk@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeremy C. Norberg) writes:
>>
>>..and you can plug a cheap 640*400 mono monitor into the standard box and use
>>it for workable DTP.  (look, no flicker.)
>>
>>Russell.
>
> Aye, this is true, BUT if the ST had interlace mode, I have a feeling that
> you would be one that would brag about your 'computer' being able to display
> high res on a low res monitor!
>
> I suppose you do feel most at home on a monochrome ST.  Hey!  That's only TWO
> colors LESS than your lame medium resolution is able to display!
 
Tee hee.  I don't even have an ST I'm just stating some facts.  Interlace mode
is no substitute for a good mono 640*400 when doing DTP or WP.  Yes, I know you
can get flicker fixers and all that stuff for Amigas but I did say "the
standard box" didn't I?  I like amigas as well, and no I don't own one, but
come on both machines have strengths.
 
Russell.
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 16:18:17 GMT
From:
 agate!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!jupiter!morgan
 .ucs.mun.ca!garfield!carlos@ames.arpa (Carlos Borges)
Subject: Atari ST games for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Atari ST(or STe) games for sale:
 
Warship         SSI     $10.00
Fire Brigade    SSI     $15.00
Red Lightening  SSI     $15.00
Omega           Origin  $20.00
Sim City        Maxis   $20.00
Populous        Bullfrog$20.00
Falcon Mission disks # 1 & # 2, $10 each, or $15.00 both.
 
These all work on my machine, a 1040STe.  No garauntee they will work
on yours, however.
 
I'm in Canada, so I will pay shipping to anyone in Canada myself.
I am willing to send to anywhere else for a couple of dollars more.
 
 
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  // C. Miguel Borges               A.K.A.                Carlos M. Borges //
 // an630@cleveland.freenet.edu                 carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca //
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Date: 4 Dec 91 22:22:22 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!vice!keithr@uunet.uu.net (U.D.M.)
Subject: BEST phone number WANTED
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am trying to get Best Electronics phone number.
 
Does someone have it who wouldn't mind e-mailing or posting it
to/for me?
 
Thanks!
 
Keith
keithr@icogem3.ICO.TEK.COM
 
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Date: 5 Dec 91 02:43:33 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!darwin.ntu.edu.au!topfm@ames.arpa
Subject: Calling all Radio Stations
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I couldnt think which area to post this into so i chose this one.
 
Are there any Radio Stations using this network..
 
Rob
 
Topfm@darwin.ntu.edu.AU
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 14:44:16 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!mks.com!ant@arizona.edu (Anthony
 Howe)
Subject: Dungeon Master - help
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm stuck.
 
Frustrated.
 
Can somebody help me?
 
Level 6 - the level with the "Riddle Room".  I'm caught in a corridor
where a trigger closes the door behind me and none of the three keys I
have will open the other door at the end of the hall.  There is a side
corridor that has a grate and transport field that alternates off and on.
I manage to open the grate with a ZO spell but can't get by the field.
 
Is there a switch to turn this field off?   Or maybe a spell to allow me
to run faster, or some magic item I'm suppose to have?
 
If some kind soul could send me a clue to this section I would be very
happy this Xmas.  I would try and download help files from BART but
BART never seems to return my mail and we don't have FTP access from our
site.
 
- ant
--
ant@mks.com                                                   Anthony C Howe
Mortice Kern Systems Inc. 35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2J 6W9
"Fate favors fools, small children, and ships named Enterprise" - Riker
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 21:00:42 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!usc!trwind!venice!sleepy!mfallero@arizona.edu
Subject: Flow Chart Compiler, Anyone Interested??
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I am thinking of posting a flow chart compiler that I've been working on.  If
there is enough interest, I'll post it to atari.archive.umich.edu.  Let me tell
you a little about it:
 
The compiler accepts a flow chart langauge ASCII file as input.  I designed
the flow chart language and it's called the Flowchart Design Language (FDL).
The language is similar to pseudo-code and very natural.  It is
compiled and the flow chart blocks are displayed in a scrollable GEM
window.  The compiler was built to aid in the design of modular
programs and will display a module complexity metric as it
compiles modules.  The complexity max is 15 (a very complex module in
my opinion).  The output can be printed to a GEMINI 10X printer or
compatible.  Sorry, I only have a GEMINI 10X and couldn't test the
program on another printer.  If enough interest is shown, I can change
the program to read various printer drivers.  There are
display/print output options; output only one module in a
program, or a range of pages within a module, or all pages.  An editor can
be Pexec'd from the program for the creation of flow chart
source files.  I've tested the Mark Williams MicroEmacs and
also Daniel Lawrence's EMACS 3.10 and they work fine.  There
are also on-line help screens.
 
However, the docs for this are taking a lot of my time and
I'd rather not spend the effort if no one is interested.
Also, I'd like this to be a shareware program because I
think it is useful and would appreciate some reward for all
of the time I've expended in it's creation.
 
Let me know...
 
Mark Falleroni
1029E. 4750S.
Ogden, Utah 84403
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 19:51:13 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.e
 du!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewse!hofmann@arizona.edu
 (james.r.hofmann)
Subject: gnuemacs
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Is anyone using JRD's port of gnuemacs, version 18.55, with a large screen
terminal? I have a moniterm, and this version uses just the upper left
quarter of the screen. This version does not use a termcap, so the number
of lines and columns must be hardwired somewhere, but where?
 
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Jim Hofmann
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, IL
 
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Date: 5 Dec 91 04:47:57 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.claremont.edu!jarthur.claremont.edu!cliu@ariz
 ona.edu (Corey Liu)
Subject: HELP: Mouse is flaky.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
My original ST mouse (1988) is acting flaky.  The
pointer will only move down when I direct it upwards
or downward.  Right/left motion is fine.
 
I've noticed a gradual decay of its behavior over the
past week where it would move the pointer only down
sometimes, but now it seems stuck in the downwards
mode.
 
Is anybody familiar with this problem?  Is it just the
untimely death of my ST mouse?  Is it a virus?
 
If it's the mouse, can it be fixed easily?  If not,
any suggestions/prices on a new one?  I hear that
Golden Image makes a nice one.  How about the new
STe/TT mice?  Cost is a major consideration,
performance is secondary.
 
If it's a virus, are there any tried and true methods
to nuke it?
 
Thanks for any help that can be offered!
 
Corey
 
----------------------------------------------------------
"This must be the place I waited years to leave." - P.S.B.
Corey Liu               (__)    cliu@jarthur.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College     |oo|             cliu@jarthur.uucp
Claremont, CA            \/--Moo!      cliu@jarthur.bitnet
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 18:15 GMT +0100
From: RITZERT@mzdmza.zdv.uni-mainz.de
Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #549
To: Info-Atari16%naucse.cse.nau.EDU@vm.gmd.de
 
unsubscribe
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 21:18:32 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!newoa.enet.dec.com!bailey@decwrl.dec.com
 (newoa::bailey)
Subject: Microsoft mice (mouse?)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Anyone know if you can use a standard Microsoft serial mouse
in an Atari and/or an Amiga
 
Ta
 
Peter Bailey
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 19:44:52 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio
 -state.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!firenze!wmagro@arizona.edu
 (William Magro)
Subject: overscan on GCR?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Does anyone know if overscan (in any of its incarnations) will work with
Spectre GCR?  This is for a 1040STf, by the way.
 
--Bill
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 20:48:07 GMT
From: olivea!isc-br!techpub3!lawrence@ames.arpa (Lawrence Kelley)
Subject: PC Ditto II For Sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
For Sale:
 
        PC Ditto II  -  $75.00(U.S.)
 
                This is a printed circuit board that attaches via a
                cable and clip to the 68000 chip of the ST and lets you
                run MS-DOS software.  Includes the PCB, cabling, clip,
                and all software.  I'll throw in PC Ditto I software
                and manual since PC Ditto II came without a manual.
 
                This board is no longer manufactured and as far as I
                know, the manufacturer, Avant Garde, is out of business.
                However, I used it for about 10 months and had very little
                trouble.  I am selling it because I have a 80286 PC and no
                longer use the ditto.  (The ST goes up for sale next.)
 
 
        Terms:  As is.  Cash or money order - buyer pays shipping.
 
I can be reached at (509) 927-5600 (7:00-4:00 PDT M-F) or send e-mail to
lawrence@techpub3.isc-br.com
--
****************************************************************************
 
The opinions expressed herein are purely fictional.  Any resemblence to real
opinions, mine or anyone else's is strictly coincendental.
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 19:37:07 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!gatech!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1!news.uni-ulm.de!news@ar
 izona.edu (Joerg Ballschmiter)
Subject: Problems with (NOT FSM, but AMC-)GDos.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi!
I am using AMC-GDos, and it works fine, but I have one problem:
the printout with a NEC P6 has horizontal white stripes,
obviously because the printer feeds the paper a few milimeters
too much. How can I solve this problem?
Thanks in advance,
Joe.
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 04:38:49 GMT
From: kodak!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chinet!saj@cs.rochester.edu (Stephen
 Jacobs)
Subject: ST book
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I played with the Book a bit in Chicago.  I'll agree with everyone else that
the display is remarkably good.  People whio had used them for awhile seemed
to be able to use the pointing device easily, but it sure felt strange tp me.
Pricing was publicly discussed, with something in the general ballpark of
$2000 being representative (a 'Portfolio Book' was also talked about, but
I only have that third-hand.  About 50% more expensive.  MS-DOS).  There
was definite talk about having the Book in retail channels by January, but
since they clearly didn't have warehouses full of them NOW, I think an extra
month would be a good guess.
                                Steve   saj@chinet.chi.il.us
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 19:22:07 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1
 !news.uni-ulm.de!news@arizona.edu (Joerg Ballschmiter)
Subject: TeX shells?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <722@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de writes:
 
> In article <sternin.690505940@physics.ubc.ca> sternin@physics.ubc.ca (Edward
 Sternin (Bloom 91/09/04)) writes:
> >Hi.  Does anyone know about a decent shell to run TeX/LaTeX/Showdvi/??
>
Yes, in Germany there is a Public Domain TeX Shell, which comes with the
PD TeX System (10 Discs). It does its business well, but its in german.
But modyfying the Menues should be no problem with a RCS.
I could send you the Shell by mail.
-Joe.
 
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Date: 3 Dec 91 22:28:51 GMT
From: noao!ncar!unmvax!uokmax!d.cs.okstate.edu!cummins@arizona.edu (John
 Cummins)
Subject: TT prices
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
s_grunwa@irau29.ira.uka.de (Knut Grunwald) writes:
>
>May be the USA Users should make a collected order here in Germany.
>This was (and is) the way to get equipment not sold here.
>
 
If tos 2.06 (3.06???) were sold in English...  I'd snap it up!
I'd even offer to Import a few dozen copies, if anyone wanted 'em besides
me.....
 
jc
John cummins   cummins@d.cs.okstate.edu
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 05:19:23 GMT
From: kodak!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chinet!saj@cs.rochester.edu (Stephen
 Jacobs)
Subject: TT prices
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Contrary to what Richard Covert said in the article this is a reply to, as of
the show in Chicago 10 days ago Atari US said TOS 2.06 was on schedule for
US release in early January, that both the Atari label CD ROM drive and
provisions for connecting most other SCSI CD ROMs to the ST were nearing
release, and that US developers who had shown special need were already able
to buy ASV set-ups.  FSM GDOS, which he had previously accused of being
mythical, could be seen running in several places.  He should know better.
 
                                  Steve        saj@chinet.chi.il.us
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 19:59:23 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Iain Laskey)
Subject: TT prices
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I have heard that the CDROM was available in Germany. What software is there
for it? WHilst in the UK we do a lot better than the US, we too get missed
out on a lot of Atari Hardware.
 
###############################
# Iain R Laskey               #
# ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk #
###############################
 
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Date: 5 Dec 91 00:22:08 GMT
From:
 agate!spool.mu.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jonh.wimsey.bc.ca!jh
 enders@ames.arpa (John Henders)
Subject: TT prices
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <1991Dec4.051923.22955@chinet.chi.il.us>, Stephen Jacobs writes:
>Contrary to what Richard Covert said in the article this is a reply to, as of
>the show in Chicago 10 days ago Atari US said TOS 2.06 was on schedule for
>US release in early January, that both the Atari label CD ROM drive and
>provisions for connecting most other SCSI CD ROMs to the ST were nearing
>release, and that US developers who had shown special need were already able
>to buy ASV set-ups.  FSM GDOS, which he had previously accused of being
>mythical, could be seen running in several places.  He should know better.
 
        Latest update on CD ROM drives. On GEnie, Bob Brodie said Atari has
dropped plans on producing their own drive. They can't compete with third
party drives. However, the good news is that they will release MetaDos, the
CD ROM driver, as freeware. I've heard ICD is also working on a driver for
their host adapters, so soon we'll be able to use them.
 
--
          John Henders                          jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
          MIND over MIDI Productions    or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
          Vancouver,B.C
 
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Date: 4 Dec 91 19:31:07 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.su
 ra.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1!news.uni-ulm.de!news@arizona.edu (Joerg
 Ballschmiter)
Subject: Where can I get FSM-GDos?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi!
Can anyone tell me where to get FSM-GDos in Germany, and if its really
released yet?
 
 
 
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