Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed, 23 Oct 91       Volume 91 : Issue 549
 
Today's Topics:
                    apprentice ST skills (2 msgs)
                              Atari Abaq
                           auto folder woes
           Copy programs from drive to ramdisk at boottime
                                Games!
                 How much for the STE in the window?
                       Looking For Degas Elite
                               MultiGem
                 Need help unsplitting files (2 msgs)
                       Railroad Tycoon (2 msgs)
                Reproducing sound samples on an ST-FM.
                    SPECTRE AND POSTSCRIPT OUTPUT
           TT questions - QuickST - Cons_Fix - Prism-Paint.
                                Vortex
                         What is the 520STe?
               what types of joysticks work with 520ST?
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 14:13:07 GMT
From: porthos!nvuxl!rrk@bellcore.bellcore.com (kutz)
Subject: apprentice ST skills
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi,
 
I've been an Atari user since 1982, this is my first post, and I have
some questions about the use of the ST/STE.  Up to now I've not tried
any programming, and had no interest in, nor need for, GDOS.  Recently
I upgraded to the STE (from 1040ST, which I still have as well),
and bought several packages along with it: (GFA Basic 3.5e,
Cyber Studio & fonts and architecture, Degas Elite, and others).
I also learned how to access an FTP site (Michigan), though how to use
this stuff isn't readily apparent to me yet.  I've suceeded in downloading
some arc and lzh programs, and can get most of the utilities I've
downloaded to run.  Intelligent use of these things is another matter.
 
First question:  I downloaded opus the spreadsheet, which needs GDOS and
fonts.  So I bought G+plus (an old version I believe - 1989 vintage).  But
I still need fonts.  Where does one get fonts?  People sell fonts for Calamus
and Pagestream, but what about for general use like opus?
 
Next question:
in a very short program I wrote in GFA Basic I want to make the cursor
(provided by an "input as" type command) a block and green.  I tried an
XBIOS(something) (specific to cursor configuration) with no result - positive
or negative - no affect at all. Can I really specify cursor shape and color,
or do I need to draw a green box and place it wherever the cursor is?
 
Next question:
Is First Word Plus the only word processor with graphics import and
multiple windows - and works OK with a color monitor?
I'm not a publisher - I need just a word processor (I have First Word
and Thunder currently.) My printer is a 9-pin Panasonic 1980i - strictly
school report and letter type usage.
 
I've had an ST since 1987, but only used it for First Word, Swiftcalc,
Gridiron, Dungeon Master - in otherwords applications without complicated
configuration needs.  With my latest purchases I'm suddenly over my head.
I'm really going to be swimming when I try to do a cyber animation (incidently,
my $15 check to Antic for Cybermate documentation was returned with a note
saying they don't do that anymore.  Are those people still in business?)
I appreciate any help.  Other things I've seen mentioned here like mint,
gulam, g++ (different I assume from the GDOS replacement), tex, et al. are
a complete mystery to me - but I'll keep lurking in the newsgroup and
pick up what I can. Thanks again.
 
Randy Kutz
rrk@nvuxl.cc.bellcore.com
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 21:48:22 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflorida!tr
 avis!jgj@arizona.edu (Jeff Jackson)
Subject: apprentice ST skills
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
> gdos fonts
 
You say you have degas elite.  You can use that to do your own.  I know
of no other source though.  Bit mapped fonts at the ST's resolution
aren't hard to do.
 
> Other things I've seen mentioned here like mint,
> gulam, g++ (different I assume from the GDOS replacement), tex, et al. are
> a complete mystery to me - but I'll keep lurking in the newsgroup and
> pick up what I can. Thanks again.
 
Be warned.  You get hooked on these and you'll sell you kids for disk
space. ;-).  TeX is a supper fancy, infinitly difficult to use (1/2 :-)
text formating, publishing system.  My setup uses 17MB.  I only have it
to print out gnu docs. :-(.
 
g++ is the gnu c++ compiler.  I'm still building up a gnu environment
and porting to software.  I expect around (sideways 8)MB.
 
gulam is a neat little c shell like shell.  Get unixtkit to round it out.
 
mint is a multitask version of TOS.  Not for the faint of heart.  Lots
of stuff doesn't work with it (Like PageStream), but I look forward to
MiNTing emacs and bash.  mgr is a windowing system that runs on top of
mint.
 
--
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Jeffrey Glen Jackson  _|_Satan jeered, "You're dead meat Jesus, I'm gonna
jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com |     bust you up tonight."
x5120                  | Jesus said, "Go ahead, make my day."
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Date: 23 Oct 91 20:27:00 GMT
From: ubc-cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders@beaver.cs.washington.edu (John Henders)
Subject: Atari Abaq
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In <20179@hydra.Helsinki.FI>, Markku Luoto writes:
>is this abaq the same thing as something called "ATW" -transputer
>station made by atari in 80'ies too ?
>
>and is this "parallel supporting OC" same thing as "helios" used in ATW
 
        Yes, and yes. Abaq turned out to be a name used by someone somewhere
else, so the name was changed to ATW. Helios was a Uni*-like os with
parallelism designed into it. It sounded like it might be a hapeening
system, but reveiws I read of the implementation, and conversations
with someone developing for Helios suggest it was (is) a bit of a kludge.
Also, the hacking in of a Mega as a front end i/o system appearantly
is a major bottleneck.
        From a hardware point of view, the parallel concept is still very viable
for array-processing intensive applications like graphics. Imagine a ray
tracing program which can assign each ray trace to a seperate processor,
and the idea starts to look good.
        Kodak appearantly has one at Ontario Place in Toronto that does some
slide to computer conversions( or is it computer to slide? ) that are
very impressive.
        The marketing, as usual, doesn't seem to have been very effective,
though I beleive the US Atari refused to even try to market it. The UK
Atari people were at some North American graphics shows, showing it
off. There was one at the Vancouver Atari Fest here last spring, but no
one seemed to know much about it, it was just running some X-demos.
        ST User, or ST World did a 4 or 5 page article on a visit to
Perihelion, the developers of the hardware. Interesting reading, but
someone borrowed my issue, and I never got it back. :-(
 
--
          John Henders                          jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
          MIND over MIDI Productions    or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders
          Vancouver,B.C
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 00:57:51 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: auto folder woes
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Oct22.193645.16783@csam.lbl.gov> keithj@ux5.lbl.gov (Keith J
 Groves) writes:
> In article <1991Oct17.081345.24836@wg.estec.nl> chris@wg.estec.nl writes:
> >
> >
> >I've got an atari 1040ST. I've managed to put something in my auto folder on
> >the hard disk which hangs the machine. Is it possible to abort the auto
 folder
> >or boot with the hard disk off and still be able to access it once it's
> >switched on again?
> >
> >Any help would be appreciated.
> >Regards
> >
> >
> >Chris
>
 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Chris Rouch
 chris@wg.estec.nl
> >Serco Space Ltd.                                           Tel: +31 1719
 84672
> >ESTEC, The Netherlands.                                    Fax: +31 1719
 84192
> >
> >Underfunded OAPs turn to a life of crime in the great cucumber roberies of
 1989
> >
>
> Chris,
>       Your best bet is to insert a bootable floppy into your drive
> and turn your hard disk and ST on at the same time.  The hard disk
> will not boot for at least 15 seconds, but in the meantime, your
> floppy will.  At that point you should have some sort of desktop.
> The only procedure left is to run your harddisk's driver.  This
> procedure should allow you access to your auto folder so that you
> may delete the offending program.
>                                    Keith Groves
 
One thing that I will suggest is go have a play with DC Format V3.2,
it has a feature to install small boot sector programs, one of these
is By_pass Hard Disk.
 
I use this with my ICD utils installed on a floppy, Auto booting, for
these kind of problems.
 
But there is another way, use Desk Manager or Super Boot, this will
allow you to get out of these situations as you can control the running
or programs in your Auto Folder..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 15:38:34 GMT
From: noao!ncar!midway!msuinfo!kira.egr.msu.edu!schultzd@arizona.edu (Dave
 Schultz)
Subject: Copy programs from drive to ramdisk at boottime
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
* PLEASE RESPOND VIA E-MAIL, I like to read this group but frequently
* fall behind.  I need help with this long before I will get all caught
* up.  Thanks...
 
I am looking for a program to copy files from the A: to a RamDrive at
Boottime.   I have tried AUTOCOPY and TPORT.  Both of these programs
have been giving me problems copying files.
 
TPORT just out and out doesn't seem to work on the STE!!!
 
AUTOCOPY works fine for progs in the ROOT dir, but chokes and gags at
trying to copy an ENTIRE directory.
 
--
Dave Schultz -  "If it's on-line, you're a fool to think it's private."
120 Engineering Bldg.   | schultzd@frith.egr.msu.edu    |
Michigan State Univ.    | schultzd@clvax1.cl.msu.edu    | "The Samurai"
E. Lansing, MI 48823    | Work - (517)353-8891          |
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 19:51:14 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!equinox!cs.unr.edu!chan@arizona
 .edu (Kaho Chan)
Subject: Games!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi everybody...
Does anybody have the latest scoop on good action games out for the ST?!
 
I have Speedball and am thinking about Speedball II.  How is SII?
 
Is there any game out there that matches that of Wing Commander on the IBM
for the ST?
 
Any suggestions for a new game (preferably action/xlnt graphix)?
 
Later...
 
chan@mammoth.cs.unr.edu
Kaho Chan<=============
 
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:19:27 GMT
From: wahoo.owlnet.rice.edu!kendall@rice.edu
Subject: How much for the STE in the window?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I'm interested in buying either an STE oir a Mega STE - where would be the
cheapest place I could get one?  I already have the a monitor, so I'd
really just need the computer...  Any good mail order places?
 
Thanks,
--
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"I thought ESPN was the telepathy channel!"  - Doctor, Doctor
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Date: 23 Oct 91 13:49:25 GMT
From:
 pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!rgb.dec.com!rost@decwrl.dec.com
 (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Looking For Degas Elite
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Anybody got a Degas Elite package they want to sell?  Must have the docs and
GDOS stuff.  E-mail, please.
 
                                        Brian Rost @rgb.dec.com
 
                                        508-568-6115
 
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        *  my employer.                                    *
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 91 14:47:38 +0100
From: Stephen Kendrick <stephenk@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>
Subject: MultiGem
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
        Over here in the UK, there's been no news of this wee beastie. Is it
commercially available here, or if not, can someone let me have the address of
some US mail order firm (or even a German address if they have an English
version) that I can buy it from? A price would also be useful. To what extent
does it multitask (7 Window limit?) and is it going to be spewed out of my TT
in a remarkably ungraceful manner?
 
                                        Thenks in anticipation,
                                        **~** English spelling, Honest!!!
 
                                                        Steve.
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 19:20:18 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!odonnj@arizona.edu (James Robert
 O'Donnell Jr.)
Subject: Need help unsplitting files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Situation: I finally have an efficient way to get software 'ftp'ed to a local
        account and then downloaded to my Atari, via an IBM RS6000 w/Mtools (so I
        can ftp the software to my account there and then 'mcopy' it onto an IBM
        format disk).
 
Problem: How do I handle files > 720K (or so, the size of my formatted 3-1/2"
        disk)?
 
Solutions Attempted: We don't have Zoo v2.1 on the IBM system yet, so I can't
        split the archive up before putting it on disks (the file I am trying to
        get is 'bin.zoo' containing the gcc binaries @ 1.2Meg or so). I was able to
        use the 'split' command to get it in four chunks (which when reassembled
        via 'cat' on the IBM, running AIX by the way, are the same as the original
        archive), but what can I use to reassemble the pieces on my ST? I've tried
        the 'cat' command from gulam and the 'cat' command from my Micro C-Tools,
        and neither seems to work.
 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...
 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 Jim O'Donnell, RPI ECSE Department, Troy, NY 12180      odonnj@rpi.edu
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
--
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 Jim O'Donnell, RPI ECSE Department, Troy, NY 12180         jod@rpi.edu
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Date: 23 Oct 91 19:32:35 GMT
From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!odonnj@arizona.edu (James Robert
 O'Donnell Jr.)
Subject: Need help unsplitting files
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
What is the best way to get a large binary file (greater than the size of one
floppy) from the IBM RS6000 workstation (that I ftp from) to my ST? I have
Mtools on the IBM so I can get stuff on to a disk, but how do I split up the
files so that I can get them onto more than one disk and then how do I rejoin
them on my ST?
 
The file I am specifically trying to get right now is 'bin.zoo' (containing
the gcc binaries) from atari.archive. I can use the AIX command (or maybe it's
a 'bash' command, I don't know) 'split' to split the file up into smaller
chunks (which when rejoined via 'cat' on the IBM are identical to the
original), but how do I do rejoin them on the ST? I've tried the 'cat' from
gulam and from Micro C-Tools and neither worked. I could un-zoo the archive
and re-zoo it in smaller pieces, but we don't have Zoo v2.1 on the computer,
and I am not up to building it.
 
Any help would be appreciated...
--
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 Jim O'Donnell, RPI ECSE Department, Troy, NY 12180         jod@rpi.edu
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:48:22 GMT
From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Railroad Tycoon
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
So now that some people have had a chance to play Railroad Tycoon for a few
weeks, how is it (other than the installation bugs)?  I bought it recently,
but haven't had time to do much other than install it.  It seems to run fine,
other than the install program having the misnamed file, which can be fixed by
simply doing a copy of both floppies to the hard disk.
 
Has anyone seen bugs during game play?  Does it seem up to par versus the PC
version?
 
--
 ##############################################################################
 # Bill Sheppard  --  bills@microware.com  --  {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill  #
 # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 #
 ############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 21:04:24 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-
 state.edu!paperboy.micro.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!lynx!hydra.unm.edu!seattle@arizona.
 edu (David G. Adams)
Subject: Railroad Tycoon
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1929@mwca.UUCP> bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard) writes:
>So now that some people have had a chance to play Railroad Tycoon for a few
>weeks, how is it (other than the installation bugs)?  I bought it recently,
>but haven't had time to do much other than install it.  It seems to run fine,
>other than the install program having the misnamed file, which can be fixed by
>simply doing a copy of both floppies to the hard disk.
>
>Has anyone seen bugs during game play?  Does it seem up to par versus the PC
>version?
>
>--
> ##############################################################################
> # Bill Sheppard  --  bills@microware.com  --  {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill  #
> # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 #
> ############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################
 
I played the IBM version for a couple months before I got my ST version to
work.  The big differences I find are:
Fewer animated sequences - I always skipped the Bridge building anyway.
Survey takes longer on ST - of course, I was running it on a '286.
The ST can load a game while you're playing - IBM has to quit and run.
The graphics (opening sceen) looks better on the ST (IMHO) and I was using
  VGA too.
 
I wasn't using a mouse on the IBM, but the ST version doesn't really have
'pull-down' menu's.  Seems that MicroProse did a straight port and forgot
about the nifty GEM windows and schtuff like that.
 
Works great though.  I haven't run into any bugs beyond the installation
thingy.  Doesn't crash at the end or any thing.
 
Nearly worth the $50 bucks I paid.
 
:-)
 
Dave
 
 
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  < |/\  |    Earth:    |  "Modern love is automatic"  - A Flock of Seagulls |
   \|    |   Live it!   \  Don't bug the University 'bout nuthin' I've said. /
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Date: 23 Oct 91 16:24:10 GMT
From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!yorkohm!minster!ach-a@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Reproducing sound samples on an ST-FM.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Can someone tell me how to convert 8-bit sound samples (in my ST's memory)
into sounds through the speaker.
 
I understand the basic principles of digital sound reproduction but not how
to put it through the ST's sound chip!  I also know how to address the sound
chip and it's registers but not what numbers to send to which registers in
the chip.
 
Andrew Hague            |       ach-a@minster.york.ac.uk
University of York      |
York                    |
ENGLAND                 |
 
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 91 20:44:53 ADT
From: Alyre CHIASSON <CHIASSA%UDEM@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca>
Subject: SPECTRE AND POSTSCRIPT OUTPUT
To: N <info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
The SPECTRE manual says I can send a postscript file to disk by
pressing "command k"(control k on the ST keyboard) while
clicking on "print". I have tried this with WORDPEFECT for the
MAC and all I get is a message that the LASERWRITER is not
connected. The WORDPERFECT manual is no help on this matter.
Can someone who has successfully done this give me some guidance.
Also thanks to the person who offered me help with MAC archives.
For some reason my mail messages bounced. I have managed to
get the necessary starter files from another source. Thanks
.
 
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1991 16:01 EST
From: aluminum foil ball <SKOLODZIESKI@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>
Subject: TT questions - QuickST - Cons_Fix - Prism-Paint.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
First is there a version of CONSFIX that is TT specific, for when
QUICKST III is loaded on a TT and a TOS program is launched from GEMINI,
the output write over the screen as the character i/o is not properly
redirected to the GEMINI internal vt52 emulator.
 
Second is there a program to convert pictures (gif, ppm, etc) to prism
paint pictures so that one can have a different background than the
standard BART that comes with quickST III, It supports only Prism Paint
pictures in the TT graphics modes, so a conversion filter would be very nice.
 
For those shareware authors outside of the US, (Gemini - Rufus) what is the
best way to send a shareware fee to you, if I am stuck in the US. Can a US
bank do the transaction? I would sent a check, but what type of check to
send? and is ground mail okay?
 
 
                                Regards - Scott Kolodzieski
                                scott@sparc1.stevens-tech.edu
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 16:15:51 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: Vortex
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Anyone got an e-mail adress to Vortex GmbH in Germany ?
Any kind of e-mail adress will do !
 
 Lars-Erik  /  Registered Developer  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /  ____ ______
  0sterud  /  w/ Atari Scandinavia  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /  /___    /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/  ____/   /
 
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Date: 23 Oct 91 19:46:01 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!rusmv1!n
 ews@arizona.edu (Joerg Ballschmiter)
Subject: What is the 520STe?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hi!
Can anyone tell me what the 520STe is?
I thought Atari releases the STE only in a 1meg version!
-Joerg.
 
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Date: 24 Oct 91 01:03:16 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: what types of joysticks work with 520ST?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <4652@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
> doucetdb@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
> >buchs@obiwan (Kevin J. Buchs) writes:
> >> I am finally going to get a joystick for my 520ST.  Do I need to get a
> >> particular type?  Anyone have brand and source recommendations.
> >> Please Email and I summarize if there is interest.
>
> >I have always used the good old Atari black joysticks.  They work well, are
> >durable, and are *cheap*. ;)  By the way, I have a 1040ST.
>
> YUCK!  I went through 4 sets of Atari joysticks before I bought myself a pair
> of WICO joysticks.  That was 8 years ago, and the WICOs still work perfectly!
> Atari joysticks (and most others) use weak little shell switches, and all
> soft plastic components - WICO use strong reed switches, hard plastic and
> metal components!  Sure, they cost more, but in $/year they are by far the
> most economical!
>
> My 2 yen worth,    (That's the othe thing:  I think WICO are "Made in the
 USA")
> Warwick
> --
>   _-_|\       warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
>  /     *  <-- Computer Science Department,
>  \_.-._/      University of Queensland,
>       v       Brisbane, AUSTRALIA.
 
 
Well I will second that, have played with quite a few, till I brought myself
2 WICO Bat handle ones, they are not that dear in the long run, as
they out last all the otheres..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
 
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