Info-Atari16 Digest         Sun, 28 Jul 91       Volume 91 : Issue 411
 
Today's Topics:
                    Accidently formatting (2 msgs)
A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list))
                          apple ][ emulator
                         Atari 520 ST forsale
                           Atari Meese 1991
                     Atari ST languages for sale
                              BLACKOUTS
                   CFN Programming/Developing Forum
                       DC Programs of the Weeks
     Gem resource files corrupted ! Virus suspected ! Help needed
       Interesting Archiver Facts [was Re: Use Unlzh 1.72 ...]
                      Lattice C -- Single Pass?
                Multisynch and other monitors (Help!)
                 need help with dead 1040 modem port
                      NEW NEW MEGA STE problem?
                       OSI Personal Pascal bug
                     Plea for help <-- dead 1040!
                       STart of Antic refunds?
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 04:41:43 GMT
From: noao!ncar!csn!ccncsu!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang)
Subject: Accidently formatting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
 Don't know how Norton's utility does it, but in DOS5.0 there is actually two
format. One will physical format the disk and destory the data, the other one
( called quick format) will reset the FAT table area and if the disk has enough
space left, it will keep a copy of FAT to that place so the disk can be unformat
, however it does not work with normal reformatted disk.
 Tang
 sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 15:17:41 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!catless!ndch@uunet.uu.net (Dave Halliday)
Subject: Accidently formatting
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul26.125723.27759@cs.wayne.edu>, pbh@jake.tmc.edu
(Patrick Haggood) writes:
|>In article <1991Jul25.124220.1136@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes:
|>>carlfred@idt.unit.no (Carl-Fredrik Soerensen) writes:
|>>
|>>>A friend of mine have an Atari 1040STE.
|>>>He has accidently formatted a floppy with some days work (he had no
|>>>backup).
|>>>I wonder if there exists any opportunities to recover the data (as
|>>>Norton Utilities etc.)
|>>
|>>Formatting a disk means deleting the data completely. You don't have
|>>the slightest chance of recovering them unless your friend stopped the
|>>process soon enough.
|>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
|>>Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,                       Things. Take. Time.
|>
|>Perhaps you could use something like DC Format to put an IBM boot
|>sector on the disk, then take it to an IBM shop to "unformat" it.
|>Norton Utilities has an unformat utility; however I'm not aware of
|>how it works (I don't think the format process writes zeros to all
|>the sectors, I think it just re-maps them--?)
 
If you realy think an IBM shop can unformat disks then there should be no
problem. The STE makes standard IBM disks so there is no need to use and extra
programs such as DC Format. Go ahead and try whatever PC stuff you think can
recover the disk. Good luck.
 
Dave Halliday.
 
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Dave      Address:  Computing Dept. Newcastle University, NE1 7RU. UK.
Halliday  EMail  :  D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk
          Phone  :  +44 91 222 8214            Fax :  +44 91 222 8232
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 00:07:00 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!motcsd!lance@arizona.edu
 (lance.norskog)
Subject: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish
 list))
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
You want to get UPS from the University of Kent.
Check ARCHIE for the exact machine.
 
UPS is 10 times better than DBX, SDB, GDB, and that ilk.
 
It has an Ansi C interpreter built in; you can type in code,
splice it in, and hit the GO button.  Very very slick.
 
Lance
 
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Date: 28 Jul 91 02:43:42 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!selick@arizona.edu
 (Steven Selick)
Subject: apple ][ emulator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Has anybody in net-land gotten the apple ][ emulator on
terminator.cc.umich.edu to work? Please e-mail me all
files/documentation that I will need to get it running.
<selick@bucsf.bu.edu> -=> Steve Selick
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 20:39:42 GMT
From: europa.asd.contel.com!emory!utkcs2!duncan.cs.utk.edu!gathings@uunet.uu.net
 (Golando Gathings)
Subject: Atari 520 ST forsale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Keywords:
 
 
 
        I have the following system for sale :
 
Atari 520 ST with, external drive mono monitor, TOS and various software,
 
        asking $300 , O.B.O (price includes shipping ).
 
Thanks
Golando
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 13:58:22 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua
 ce0@arizona.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts)
Subject: Atari Meese 1991
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Just thought I'd drop a note to the net letting all of our international
friends know that Double Click Software will be attending, displaying and
selling our wares at this year's Atari Meese show in Duesseldorf.
 
We will be showing something of particular interest to owners of AT Speed
or PC Speed.  Can't say more, you have to wait.  :-)
 
We will also be showing (but not selling) our new game authoring package.
Wow, it is hot!
 
Plus, our DC Utilities, DC Desktop, DC Shower and (tadum!) Data Diet - the
_only_ realtime compression program for the Atari computer.  Not to mention
our DC Port serial expansion cartridge, too.
 
We really look forward to meeting our net friends face to face (and sharing
a few rounds with them too!).
 
- mike vederman / double click software
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Date: 27 Jul 91 20:03:30 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!crackers!m2c!risky.ecs.umass.
 edu!umvlsi.ecs.umass.edu!kimmel@arizona.edu (Mathew Kimmel)
Subject: Atari ST languages for sale
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I recently sold my Atari ST system and was left with a bunch of language
software.  So...
 
FOR SALE:    TDI Modula-2                               $20
               An older version, I think, but a good
               starter system for someone who wants to
               learn Modula-2.
 
             Personal Pascal v2.0                       $30
 
             Mark Williams C v3.0                       $40
               Includes CSD source-level debugger and
               resource editor.
 
             Abacus Assempro                            $20
               A rather nice assembler/debugger package.
 
             Philon FAST/BASIC-M                        $35
               A sophisticated BASIC compiler.
               IBM MBASIC-compatible.
 
All prices are negotiable!  E-mail me if you're interested!
-Matt
--
Matt Kimmel          University of Massachusetts          Amherst, Mass.
 
Internet: kimmel@umvlsi.ecs.umass.edu              Bitnet: KIMMEL@UMAECS
          kimmel@risky.ecs.umass.edu
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 05:47:21 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ncar!csn!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU
 JEFFREY)
Subject: BLACKOUTS
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
This may be a very stupid question.  I just experienced 3 blackouts
in 1 day while my ST was on.  I was wondering does blackouts have the
same effect or any effect on the hardware as do surges?  Of course
I do have a surge protector, but it probably didn't help any in this
situation.  I might just be paranoid about this, but I'm just cautious
about my cpus.
 
                                                Thanks,
                                                Jeff
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 15:09:26 GMT
From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!xx004@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Atari SIG)
Subject: CFN Programming/Developing Forum
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
The Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG's Programming/Developing Forum is growing
in usage and population.
 
Atari computer users are working on new projects both in software and
hardware.
 
If you are a programmer or even a developer, why not help users bring new and
 grea
great products to the Atari world?
 
You can discuss almost any programming topic that you wish.  The only thing
we cannot allow is for developers to release classified developer information.
 
If you are interested in programming or making great things for your computer,
why not log on to the Cleveland Free-Net?
 
You can 'telnet' any of the following:
 
129.22.8.82, 129.22.8.75, 129.22.8.76
freenet-in-a.cwru.edu, freenet-in-b.cwru.edu, freenet-in-c.cwru.edu
cwns16.INS.CWRU.Edu, cwns9.INS.CWRU.Edu, cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu
 
Len Stys (aa399)
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 13:52:07 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua
 ce0@arizona.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts)
Subject: DC Programs of the Weeks
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I've just got done sending all of our Programs of the Week to the ftp site
atari.archive.umich.edu
 
All of our Programs of the Week are there, plus some oldies but goodies.
 
Over 40 programs if I remember correctly.  Get 'em while they're hot!  :-)
 
- mike vederman / double click software
 
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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 91 13:58:44 +0200
From: Z07801%BBRBFU01.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Gem resource files corrupted ! Virus suspected ! Help needed
To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
    Hello netter,
 
    Since about two weeks, I have a new strange behaviour in my ST (it
appeared about at the time the ABK-BBS'S Anti-Virus PROTECT6 was
distributed through bitnet. I use it, but I don't know if both
events are linked).
 
    Some parts of the dialogs or menus resources becomes empty. This
is not limited to the .RSC files since my TEMPUS has also been corrupted.
 
    Today this phenomena has appeared in a friend's ST, so I
suspect a virus.
 
    The VKiller V3.84, doesn't detect any virus.
 
    Sagrotan (V4.17) found problems with the TOS14FIX :
 TOS14FIX Installiert
 TRAP #14(XBIOS) liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeicher ($632)!
 XBIOS-Vektor in TOS14FIX liegt oberhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers
($5800FC)!
 LINE-F liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers ($71C)!
 Der Resetvektor ist gultig und zeigt auf die Adresse: $614
 Der Resetvektor liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers ($614)!
 TRAP #1 (GEMDOS-Vektor) liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers
($79E)!
 Es befindet sich mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit ein Virus im Speicher!
 Bitter den Rechner abschalten, oder Funktion 'Kaltstart' aufuhren.
 Dann OHNE Diskette booten!
 
 The version of TOS14FIX I use is 1.3.
 
 The GData AntiVirus Kit (V2.1) report irregularity in the Vectors :
 $0026 Line FVector
 $0423 Reset Valid
 $042A Reset Vector
 Unknow virus.
 
 My base configuration is :
    harware : 1040 STf, 4Mb (Gigatron),  AtOnce Plus(Vortex).
    TOS 1.4, AUTO: TOS14FIX, Poolfix4, folder500, Cache64, protect6,
                   DCFlight, Poolfix4
             ACC : Chameleon
 
 Does anybody got the same problem. Have a solution ...
 
Patrick, INSTALLE
> V.U.B                      BITNET : Z07801@BBRBFU01.BITNET<
> Free University Brussels   FAX    : 32 2 650 99 99        <
> Plantengenetica            Voice  : 32 2 650 99 45        <
> 69, rue des Chevaux                                       <
> B-1640 Rhode St Genese (BELGIUM, EC)                      <
 

 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 22:29:05 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka
 .de!fauern!opal!ripley@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch. Eckert)
Subject: Interesting Archiver Facts [was Re: Use Unlzh 1.72 ...]
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
Hello.
 
Perhaps this is interesting news for you: There is a new version
of lharc (lharc 2.0) which has a new compression method.  It packs
better than zip.  I could send Thomas Quester's version to comp.binaries,
but I better ask him first...
Anyway, it has already been distributed through the Maus-net here in
Germany...
 
Greetings,
                                RIPLEY
--
Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30    | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP)
Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/
 
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Date: 26 Jul 91 23:48:23 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!mips!atha!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu
 (Jim Omura)
Subject: Lattice C -- Single Pass?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <040103.22763@timbuk.cray.com> marc@sequoia.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
 writes:
>
>In article <1991Jul24.180103.25979@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
 writes:
>>
>>      I got my first "do nothing" program to compile and link and waddling
>> through a slow program development I started to run into problems.  Then
>> something occurred to me.  I compiled the sample program (WTEST.C) that
>> comes with Lattice C and it compiled, linked and ran perfectly.  Then
>> I moved the 'main()' from the bottom of the source code to my normal
>> location just under the globals (the "top" of the program) and it failed
>> to compile.
>
>Moving main() to the `top' of your program means that, unless you give
>declarations for the functions used by main(), they will be assumed to return
>ints.  Now, when the functions are actually encountered, and they return
>something OTHER than ints, the compiler will barf.  And quite rightly so (no
 
     Ah, but it isn't "quite rightly so.  You see, I didn't bother
-
a
     Ah, but is isn't "quite rightly so."  You see, I didn't bother
stating all the permutations that I tried (it would take a few pages).
Some of the permutation I tried was declaring all functions as "int"
and then making sure that they in fact did return an "int" (value of 0
if I needed a dummy value).  So even if the functions "assumed to return
ints", I had that covered.
 
     There seems to be "something else" going wrong.  That's why I
called it more generically "a referencing error."  That was the best
way I could think of to describe an error caused by lack of support
for forward referencing.
 
 
>matter how many passes it makes).  I also write my C programs with main() at
 the
>`top', but I also religiously declare all the functions I'm going to use.  It's
>a good habit to get into ;-)
 
     It looks like it's a habit I'm going to have to get into.
 
--
Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880
lsuc!jimomura
Byte Information eXchange: jimomura
 
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Date: 28 Jul 91 05:03:11 GMT
From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!netcomsv!seitz@arizona.edu (Matthew
 Seitz)
Subject: Multisynch and other monitors (Help!)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1991Jul23.185606.18946@unx.sas.com> snoret@unx.sas.com (Rick Tatem)
 writes:
>Anyway... Does anyone have any (reasonable) suggestions,
>recommendations, tips, leads, etc. on a good multisynch
>or other compatible monitor for a 1040STf?
 
My multiscanning monitor is an Acer 7015 Multiscanning Color Monitor. It cost
me about $450 dollars new at my Atari dealer.  One problem:  the IB Mult-Switch
adapter I use to hook up the monitor reaures a 9-pin analog RGB monitor port,
while the Acer has a 25-pin analog port.  I had to buy a 9-25 pin adaptor cable
to hook things up.
 
The monochrome is not as sharp as a dedicated monochrome monitor, but still
very acceptable.  And the color works just great.
 
 
--
                                        Matthew Seitz
                                        seitz@netcom.com
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 07:33:33 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!rex!wpg!linda@locus.ucla.edu
 (Linda Guidry)
Subject: need help with dead 1040 modem port
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
I was using my 1040ST as a terminal emulator this afternoon
when a power surge (?) simultaneously killed the ST modem port
as well as the serial controller board on the host computer.
 
The serial controller board showed visible signs of heat damage
but the atari board looks flawless.   Does this mean the atari
damage is minor?
 
Could someone recommend a good repair facility --- reliable,
inexpensive, and fast?
--
Linda Guidry, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
linda@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!linda
 
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Date: 28 Jul 91 12:41:00 GMT
From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud)
Subject: NEW NEW MEGA STE problem?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
On my MEGA STE I get the "Drive A: not ready / not responding" all the time,
but a click on "RETRY" and everything goes well.  Could be a drive problem
(my first drive stopped stepping, and this one is an old one Atari had lying
around .-)
 
 Lars-Erik  /  Registered Developer  /  ABK-BBS +47 2132659  /  ____ ______
  0sterud  /  w/ Atari Scandinavia  /  larserio@ifi.uio.no  /  /___    /
__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/  ____/   /
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 12:38:08 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: OSI Personal Pascal bug
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
In article <1898.07.91@janhh.hanse.de> jan@janhh.hanse.de (Jan Willamowius)
 writes:
> Charles Richmond wrote:
> > I believe I have found a but in my Personal Pascal V2.0
> > compiler.
> > Since Optimized Systems Software (OSI) is no
> > longer in business, does anyone still support this compiler?
> > Can anyone direct me to the people in Germany who actually
> > wrote this compiler?
>
> As far as I know the complier was written by Joerg Lohse (currently
> working at the University of Hamburg). But I don't think he is involved
> in supporting the compiler any more.
>
> The German distributor is:
> CCD, K. Meyfeld, Schoene Aussicht 41, D-6229 Walluf, Germany.
>
> I heard rumors that they might drop ST-Pascal. Details anyone ?
> Jan Willamowius, Nienredder 6, 2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
> E-Mail: jan@janhh.hanse.de
 
Well from what I know, I think ICD took over Personal Pascal in
the USA.
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard        *    Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd          *  *   At least I don't Flicker, not     ***
***  Kapiti New Zealand..    *     like a dying light globe. !       ***
 
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Date: 27 Jul 91 18:47:00 GMT
From: deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@decwrl.dec.com
 (Adam David)
Subject: Plea for help <-- dead 1040!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
 
fsctc@csduts1.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence T. Chang) writes:
 
>The human body can easily generate up to 10000 volts of static electricity.
 
It is not the body itself but dry hair and certain types of clothing which
can generate static. Simply by avoiding woolen and synthetic fabrics it is
possible to considerably reduce the danger of static. I have never earthed
myself before handling delicate CMOS components but I take care to avoid
certain movements which generate static:
 
shuffling on carpetted floors,
ruffling, rubbing or scratching of the hair,
sleeves rubbing against the wrists.
 
I haven't fried a chip with static yet!
Also it is not good to have cats nearby. I once had a program crash because
a cat walked to close to the computer (no, it wasn't an ST)!
 
Pure cotton and linen generate virtually no static. I guess hemp and nettle
are also similar fabrics electrically (if you can get them).
Wear vegetable fibre!
 
Also it is a good idea to rinse the hands before starting.
 
-Adam David-
adamd@rhi.hi.is
 
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Date: 27 JUL 91 23:50:39 CDT
From: Z4648252 <Z4648252%SFAUSTIN.bitnet@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject: STart of Antic refunds?
To: <INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
 
    I just realised that on 23 November 90, that I renewed my subscription
to STart for a nice sum of U.S. $69.95.  "Now isn't that special"!
    Now this is a lot of money for me but due to the service rendered,
a subscription is usually worth it.  Since nothing has been sent to me
as far as subscription refunds or referrals, I'm wondering if there is
any legal recourse?
    Secondly, I wrote a technical article on hard drives and another on
the HP DeskJet ink cartridges.  I never was paid for these articles.
    Thirdly, Atari Explorer, which I renewed my subscription to is late,
late, late.
    Frankly, I'm getting a bit upset.  Is there any legal way of getting
money back or subscriptions extended to Current Notes, or ST Informer?
I figure that I have lost about $100.00 on Atari magazines due to no
product and more money lost for unpaid articles.
 
Larry Rymal <Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET> |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<|
       Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas
 
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